Why are we in Iraq? wrote on Apr 8, 2006 11:47 AM:
" The whole justification for being in Iraq stem from 911. Therefore we need to know the circumstances surrounding 911 to make a fair judgment about why we are in Iraq.Go to google video and search for "911 loose change". Get informed and do the research. "
What A Waste wrote on Apr 8, 2006 5:29 AM:
" This referendum was pointless. What a waste of time and money. "
Sherry Poler wrote on Apr 7, 2006 8:19 PM:
" I'm really peeved that the Tribune let such nasty comments through about Jessica.
Who's in charge down there anyway? "
Gus wrote on Apr 7, 2006 1:17 PM:
" The more you learn, the more you know. The more you know, the more you know you don't know. Hurry up and learn something! "
TO THE PERSON WHO WROTE THE COMMENT TO THE WIFE OF A SOLDIER wrote on Apr 7, 2006 11:39 AM:
" My husband recieved the 4th highest medal in the army while serving overseas. SO DON'T TELL ME I'M NOT PROUD OF HIM. MY HUSBAND'S UNIT IS THE BEST DARN TRANSPORTATION UNIT OUT OF 11 UNITS IN THE COUNTRY, AND I'M VERY PROUD OF THEM ALL. He joined right after highschool and has served ever since. Hes served for 13 years and plans to re-enlist. I knew what I was getting into when I married him, but when you have your very first child and your husband gets taken away from the GREATEST JOY in his life, of course I"m going to be selfish. You work at Fort McCoy, but you CANNOT "SEE" how these soldiers and families feel, especially when you go home to yours everyday. I'M VERY PROUD OF MY HUSBAND AND THE REST OF THE UNIT FOR THEIR ACCOMPLISHMENTS. "
Jacob wrote on Apr 7, 2006 9:47 AM:
" THIS IS AMERICA! You can believe whatever you want. Anyone who calls some one "not an American" is themselves not an American. "
to the hippie wrote on Apr 7, 2006 9:46 AM:
" I believe that we can still support the troops, and still want them to come home, and not be a Bush supporter. I am one of them. And for god sakes, would we please stop lying to ourselves, 9/11 and Iraq had nothing to do with one another, it has been very well documented and admitted by our own President. The same president so many of you support. So many want to bash this and say that nothing was accomplished, but I disagree, our voice was heard, and people (politicians that make the Yea/Nay decisions) are paying attention to what we're saying. Finally, to the hippie, you asked the question about death, our own society for the most part teaches us to fear deaths, not our president or some terrorist. "
tsschall to another silly liberal wrote on Apr 7, 2006 9:45 AM:
" It became an insult when you liberals and your elected reps forgot about the part that goes "and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others." Whether Washington, or the La Crosse Tribune blog, I am not seeing much tolerance by either side. Liberals - don't go high and mighty about being tlerant until you show that tolerance outside of your own groups. "
morons wrote on Apr 7, 2006 9:39 AM:
" iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. now even your precious republican lord whom you follow blindly, GW says so. "
response wrote on Apr 7, 2006 9:37 AM:
" Paul M. does not buy into socialist propaganda. He's been studying politics for years, and has argued from the left and right. Don't assume things...and yes, the republicans do divide the country...ask an unbiased monitor of the economy...not to mention this war. "
Pat wrote on Apr 7, 2006 9:34 AM:
" Yes...i have many loved ones serving, or who have served in this war. I miss them, and I am proud. However, that does not turn me into a blind, mindless idiot...I still know this war is wrong, and there is nothing to win. We've just made it a hotbed for terrorists, and I there is never going to be a white flag or condition of surrender. "
steve wrote on Apr 7, 2006 9:31 AM:
" I'm in the national guard. I have buddies in Iraq, and those who have sereved in Iraq. I'm in college. I know what the real world is like. I'm sick of narcisistic people thinking they know so much more about the world than us. We can debate, but quite being prejudice against college students. I've been studying politics for years...there is more here than a war...the republicans whole agenda is to stir up the american people and get re-elected. "
Currently in Iraq wrote on Apr 7, 2006 9:13 AM:
"
Thank you Lacrosse for voting as we would vote......to leave Iraq. Mission Accomplished. "
to the hippie wrote on Apr 7, 2006 9:10 AM:
" I am all for peace. Would like to see the boys and girls brought home and the fighting stop, but I, having been a soldier want to see this finished, don't cut and run because it's popular. In 1993 when the US tucked tail and ran out of Somalia, terrorists were smart and were paying attention. It's has been well documented that when we pulled out, terrorists saw that and said that all we have to do is just hit them just a bit and they will run. If we turn and run now like we did then, I believe the terrorist that are smart and paying attention will attack our country again. I am not a Bush backer, I believe we were lied to about why we went to war, and are still being lied to, but lets finish what we started. "
Jack Finley wrote on Apr 7, 2006 3:47 AM:
" I left La Crosse exactly forty years ago and have returned only a few times, the last time to attend my 50th. Aquinas HS Reunion..It is so heartening to see the people finely realizing that this war in Iraq has been a tragic mistake as was our experience in Vietnam..I hope that Senator Finegold becomes our next President and in my book we could do no better.The Neocon Revolution has failed and it is interesting to see the rats leaving the sinking Ship of State.Bob Lafolette,one of the last Progressives to be a Republican would be proud. "
Embarrased wrote on Apr 6, 2006 10:46 PM:
" All these young kids think they've really accomplished something with this vote. Oh they're so proud. They don't even know what the real world is like. College is not the real world kids. You don't have any idea what you're talking about.
I've been there, in combat with the Marine Corps. I guarantee you the troops over there know the results they're getting accomplished. The news media here only presents the bad things. "
Another silly liberal wrote on Apr 6, 2006 10:19 PM:
" lib·er·al (lbr-l, lbrl) adj. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others.
When did that become an insult? "
Democracy in action wrote on Apr 6, 2006 10:09 PM:
" A small but vocal group of representatives have just begun petitioning to have a public debate of America's policy in Iraq. This would be the first time in the three years of war that a discussion like this has occurred. It's a bipartisan effort, started by three Democrats and three Republicans.
Looks like Washington is taking note that at the very least, this is an issue worth discussing.
Still think we wasted our time? "
Get a Grip wrote on Apr 6, 2006 9:15 PM:
" C'mon people - there is obviously no desire for COMMUNITY among the name callers here. This sort of emotionally charged ranting is divisive. I challenge the name callers to attempt actual DIALOGUE - it's harder than pointing fingers. If you TRULY care about issues, it does no good to offend those with differing views - they'll NEVER listen to your side of the story.
Lighten up, people. We're all in this together. "
The Hippie wrote on Apr 6, 2006 9:03 PM:
" I speak of admiring the peace that Jesus taught and you bring up violence by the infamous radicals. We see the world from different viewpoints, don't we? What kind of world do you want your children to grow up in - with the hope of love or the fear of death?. "
To: to Slinder wrote on Apr 6, 2006 8:40 PM:
" Oh boy, you sound just like a republican commercial. Let's fight oppression and tyranny and evil-doers all around the globe. If someone from Bulgaria attacks us then we'll fight Bulgaria huh? Take off your rose colored glasses and realize what I said, We don't know who we are fighting. "
To Evil Homer: wrote on Apr 6, 2006 7:31 PM:
" Well said. "
I am Evil Homer wrote on Apr 6, 2006 6:36 PM:
" To the gentleman who is so proud to be a hippie. Are you also proud to call those who detonated bombs and killed people in Madison during the Vietnam era Hippies, boy I would sure be proud of that. In the words of The Big Lebowski "The Bums lost. My advice to you is to do what your parents did, get a job sir." "
Hey Hank wrote on Apr 6, 2006 6:19 PM:
" Better yet, let's vote on the city council chairs! Can we pick the fabric? How about the new name for WWTC? Right on man! "
To the proud hippie: wrote on Apr 6, 2006 6:17 PM:
" You're mostly right about Jesus. However I wouldn't call the turning of the money tables in front of the temple nonviolent. If someone did that today, anywhere, they'd be arrested for disturbing the peace. Jesus had his human moments. "
Hank Scorpio wrote on Apr 6, 2006 4:11 PM:
" This is a BIG waste of time and money. Why don"t we have a referendum to see what the community members' favorite color is on the next ballot? "
to the wife of the the soldier wrote on Apr 6, 2006 4:02 PM:
" so your husband was there for no reason. i do know what these men and women are going through. see i work at fort mccoy and i see how being away from their family affects them. i have family members that have been there myself and they take pride that they served our country. why did your husband join the reserves? its a chance he took when he signed those papers.so no the shame is not on me its on you for being selfish, what about all the others that are without their spouses. im sure some of them are proud. "
A Hippie and Proud of It wrote on Apr 6, 2006 3:09 PM:
" The dictionary defines a hippie as one who doesn’t conform to society’s standards. I am a hippie and proud of the legacy of hippies that have lived before me. Thank goodness that Jesus was a hippie type and didn"t conform to Roman society's standards as the LAW required him to do. Where would you be now if that peace loving, liberal, hippie decided that killing others was the true way to deal with conflicts, and that is what he preached as the true Will of the Almighty. Thank God that liberal-hippie Jesus, never promoted violence! for ANY reason. "
Military wife wrote on Apr 6, 2006 12:35 PM:
" This was pointless and a waste of time. To those who voted yes, I hope you're happy. You win nothing. We lose nothing. The troops are going to stay on track and continue doing their job until they come home...with the support of their family and friends.
I would love to see the 'yes' voters go to Iraq for 1 month and tell me we shouldn't be there. You couldn't do it! "
TO: the person who replied to slider on 5/6/2006 wrote on Apr 6, 2006 12:31 PM:
" We are fighting for our own freedom, our future, free from terrorist attacks from all over the world. You better believe that if Jordan is harboring terrorists, under the great leadership of George Bush I would have to say that Jordan better give them up or be ready to battle the USA.
It isn't a certain person we are fighting, we are fighting TERRORISTS who want to KILL AMERICANS! How can you not figure that out?
Imagine....NO MORE LIBERALS! "
HEY DK wrote on Apr 6, 2006 12:21 PM:
" PEACE HAD A CHANCE. Liberal Hippy. "
nastiness wrote on Apr 6, 2006 11:47 AM:
" A problem that seems to be plaguing this forum is the vast nastiness and name-calling that it seems to have. Why can't we disagree on things? If I support the war, why can't I? If I oppose, why can't I? Freedom of expression is a vital component of American democracy. We can disagree with eachother, but we should not name-call and blast people for disagreeing. "
TO: shame on you wrote on Apr 6, 2006 11:32 AM:
" First of all do you have an idea of how it feels to have a loved one serving? Not a cousin, friend, but a wife/husband, child, a mother/father? I would say not. You may tell me "yes", but after reading your disgusting comment there is no way I would believe you. My husband just returned home from Iraq with the unit from BRF, WI, and it was the worst 15 months of my life. I wish that upon NO ONE, EVER. This has been going on for nearly 3 years and will go on forever if we let it. Iraq is a problem in itself. The troops can ONLY DO SO MUCH. WHAT MORE CAN WE ASK FOR. TO KEEP RISKING THEIR LIVES FOR AN UNKNOWN CAUSE! I support the troops 110 PERCENT, but things need to change. "
Do something about it... wrote on Apr 6, 2006 11:29 AM:
" It sounds like all of you whining about the yes vote and the unpatrioticness of a true democratic process(referendums), which is an oximoron in itself, should have been spending less time on blogspots and more time mobilizing their base with GOTV acts. The referendum passed, now lets see if our representation starts to listen to its constiuents. "
To: SLIDER wrote on Apr 6, 2006 11:13 AM:
" I have to agree. How can we stay the course on the war? WHO is our enemy? Who are we fighting? What are the battle lines? Dont tell me "insurgents" because that is a very vague enemy title. We dont know what nationality we are getting killed from every day. Some guy from Jordan comes across the border, makes a roadside bomb. We must be fighting Jordan. "
? wrote on Apr 6, 2006 11:08 AM:
" This story was front and center in the Wednesday paper... and doesn't even matter. The REAL elections were glossed over to spotlight something with abslotely no binding relevence? "
to shame on you wrote on Apr 6, 2006 10:57 AM:
" free country?More of our rights get taken away everyday not to mention our hard earned money.
I'm glad we went back to Iraq.I was there the first time around(229th eng PDC).Saddam should've been taken out then.In bush's eyes this war is for black gold.The referendum was a waste of time and energy.It sure won't get the troops home. "
Hmmmm... wrote on Apr 6, 2006 10:45 AM:
" I agree with the person who said "what is the point of this??" It says right in the article that "this referendum has no authority over federal decisions" No big surprise that La Crosse citizens want our troops to come home...they shouldn't be over there risking their lives in the first place. Lots of lives lost because of a hand full of individual's egos. Its a sad/messed up world we live in. Hopefully they make it home safe and soon. "
tsschall responding to meaningless wrote on Apr 6, 2006 9:36 AM:
" Good point - don't hate the students, fear those who are manipulating them. "
tsschall responding to/with kodakkid wrote on Apr 6, 2006 9:31 AM:
" Solid point. Yes Jessica - try learning about what's happening from more sources than a few professors and the mainstream media. It's pretty simple to find vets of the Iraq War to speak with as well as vets of other conflicts. As a student you may have heard of research - try things like the congressioanl record, and various scholars, essayists, and yes, reporters on both sides of the issue; remember the truth is always in the middle of the disparate viewpoints, and come to an informed conclusion - before going public. "
JL wrote on Apr 6, 2006 9:29 AM:
" "Can we do both" is wrong. You CANNOT tell the troops how much you care about them and then in the next breath tell them that what they're doing is terrible and they shouldn't be there. If you care so much about them, why would you want to destroy their moral?? My nephew is on his 2nd deployment to Iraq and eagerly went both times. As many service people who are there will tell you, there are a lot of good things happening and progress being made, that the media chooses not to report (But hey, the media isn't full of out-to-get-Bush liberals!). As told by this nephew just a few days ago, "Kids and parents often come out to the road when we are driving by, waving at us and often giving us thumbs up." So try feeding your line of bull to him. "
SLIDER wrote on Apr 6, 2006 9:24 AM:
" Yeah right stay the course, no one even the one's who sent the our military over to Iraq knew or now know's what stay the course is, any one can say Stay The Course. Funny thing is the Iraqi's won't even commit their own police and security forces to stand up to the so called insurgents and now they don't want their elected officials in office which tells me that they don't want a democracy or ever did. Our leaders can't even take care of the citizens of the United States, and don't even care if there are not any dollar signs behind it. Where does Isreal fit into this mess, is it their war that the United States is dying for, and selling out our Nation!
"
Quick comment for the Libs wrote on Apr 6, 2006 8:55 AM:
" For all of you libs in the above who are touting that the conservatives are crying over spilled milk - why do we have so many comments above going back to the Bush win in 2000 and 2004? That spill has already dried - live with it and move on! "
to Paul Medinger wrote on Apr 6, 2006 8:45 AM:
" The republicans divide the country? What socialist propganda do you buy into? You may claim to be an independent, but let's face it - anyone who espouses the idea that those who work to earn their "wealth" should share it - by force - with those who won't work is a socialist. I've no argument that we should help those with need - those unable to support themselves - those with "special needs," but to call those who are doing so -under government taxation with the wealth they earn- divisive because they would prefer to keep thier wealth and have others earn their own way is trulu a divisive thought. "
tsschall wrote on Apr 6, 2006 8:23 AM:
" Look at the demographics. On ch.8's 100PM coverage on Tues, Joe Heim from the U made a great point. The North side voted strongly to stay the course, the south voted to stay the course, and the central section _BTW rifew with college student housing and a traditonally solid voter turnout whent referdum questions are on ballot voted the liberal position.
Analysis - Those who have the greatest investment of time, energy, and blood in this country voted to stay the course; those who least understand the value and gift of our liberties (due to their callowness and no fault of their own)want to pull out. No different from most historical responses to war in our country. "
shame on you wrote on Apr 6, 2006 7:41 AM:
" if you dont like what your country is doing then get the hell out. god bless america, and have them remember that its our military that is out there making sure we stay a free country. how dare you make the troops feel like they are over there fighting for nothing, what is wrong with you people, show some respect for the men and women that are fighting for your children and grandchildren,they are the ones that are living with out their families, they are sacrificing all your doing is complaining "
To Meaningless: wrote on Apr 6, 2006 7:06 AM:
" Are you a college student? "
meaningless wrote on Apr 6, 2006 7:03 AM:
" We don't dislike the college kids.We voted for the fly paper at riverside.Just wonderring why,if they want our troops home.Why don't they replace them? Any idiot(professor)teaching current events at our local collages,should be fired.They failed to teach the kids about the WORLD they live in.Shame on you.Maybe every T.V. in this country should be programmed to play the first 3 hours of 9-11 news coverage,everytime we turn it on.Did we forget that soon? "
To Meaningless: wrote on Apr 6, 2006 6:59 AM:
" The answer is yes, if the no vote would have "won" the outcome would still change nothing. Maybe that's why the no side didn't win, the result is still the same, nothing changed. Oh, wait, perhaps if the no's had prevailed CNN wouldn't be covering it. It really wouldn't fit the agenda. If the yes's were so powerful, I'm with Harold. When's the parade? "
Mr. Sena wrote on Apr 6, 2006 6:31 AM:
" Only 21% of La Crosse voters actually voted on the referendum. This shows the state and the country that 79% of La Crosse voters do NOT care about the issue. La Crosse, I hope you're happy now. "
GB -2 wrote on Apr 6, 2006 5:39 AM:
" To you who sya the president lied. Do you know that for a fact or is that speculation on your part? Hussein bragged about having MWD. How soon you forget about the UN inspections and his refusal to cooperate and moving stuff before inspections. Did you forget about mustard gas in Gulf War. Did you ignore his cooperation with Al-Qaeda? My guess is you have memory probelms and that the WMD are in Syria. Would you keep illegal items in your house or would you store them elsewhere. Ask the Kurds about Sadam!! "
can we do both? wrote on Apr 6, 2006 3:23 AM:
" An answer to the question of if one can support the troops but not the war: I think one can. Support the troops entails supporting their well-being (among other things). However, one can support their well-being, yet disagree with why it's being jeopardized. If one feels that our troops are being wrongfully placed in harm's way, he or she can oppose that placement (i.e. oppose the War), yet still support the troops' well-being. "
Jake wrote on Apr 6, 2006 12:40 AM:
" I think that referendums are useful for gaining an idea of what a local community thinks. Afterall, a referendum is as grass-roots democracy as you can get. That said, we should acknowledge that this referendum is definately skewed by the college population in this town, most likely in favor of the 'YES' vote. However, not every college student voted 'YES' and the referendum only passed city-wide by less than 700 votes. Also worthy of noting is that the college population profoundly impacts the area (in good and bad ways), and they comprise a fifth of the population, so their opinion matters. "
Out of state wrote on Apr 5, 2006 11:52 PM:
" Are we naive enough to believe that we know everything about OIF? It's called Operational Security. It's admirable to believe in something and to take action, however, be responsible. Look at both sides. After attending a deployment ceremony last month in MS, I came to the conclusion that most people don't have a clue as to what our soldiers are sacrificing for the US & Iraq. Ask the troops for a change. We are all Americans. "
WOW wrote on Apr 5, 2006 10:53 PM:
" Nice to see how violent-prone the losers are here about those who decided to use their right to vote. Sounds like Iraq, and the upset insurgents who didn't get the vote results the way they wanted. Why didn't you vote? The kids who might have to go to war when the draft comes up again, made sure to voice their thoughts and voted! That is how democracy works, live with it! "
sarcastic wrote on Apr 5, 2006 10:27 PM:
" Oh good, La Crosse, WI decided to bring the troops home. They should be back by monday if Bush makes his travel plans quickly.. "
interesting wrote on Apr 5, 2006 10:18 PM:
" I was doing a little investigating to find out who was backing this referendum statewide. Most informed people probably already know that it is the Wisconsin Network for Peace and Justice. But did those of you who voted yes on this referendum also know that some of the groups who are part of the WNPJ include " The Socialist Party of Wisconsin?"..enough said !
http://www.wnpj.org/pdf/directory06.pdf "
No good. wrote on Apr 5, 2006 10:07 PM:
" What was the point of this? It does nothing but make people fight, just the thing it's supposed to stop. It just seems hypocritial. "
Democracy in action wrote on Apr 5, 2006 9:50 PM:
" This one little referendum might seem like a "waste of time" to people now, but the rest of America IS watching. National news sources such as CNN and USA Today have covered the efforts in Wisconsin, and it will not be long before other communities across the country create referendums of their own. Eventually, the government should start listening. "
Meaningless? wrote on Apr 5, 2006 9:41 PM:
" Amazing, almost everyone who commented here against bringing troops home called this a meaningless exercise. If the anti-cut&run crowd would have prevailed would it still be called "meaningless?". Sounds like democracy. (Isn't that what we want to give Iraq?) Let the people who called "W" the greatest President ever foot the bill for the 400 billion dollar military/war effort. You can pay my share of the 30,000 dollar national debt i owe. When did LaCrosse develop such hatred of college students? "
BMT wrote on Apr 5, 2006 9:34 PM:
" I'm from the Lacrosse area in the Wisconsin National Guard stationed at the Iraqi border. Today my own people shamed me. I hope you know you did nothing today but lower morale and encourage the insurgeants...you people that voted yes, you disgust me "
Tired of self-serving liberals wrote on Apr 5, 2006 9:14 PM:
" Everyone should put this in perspective, a good number of the people who turned out to vote were liberal nutcases who only did so because of this issue, so the results are not a good indicator of what the entire community believes. Most people in the Lacrosse area are intelligent enough to know that immediate withdrawal from Iraq would be one of the worst things we could do to the Iraqi people, most of these people happen to also be smart enough that they didn't see the point in showing up at the polls to cast a vote on a non-binding referendum meant only to spread discontent in our nation and give encouragement to the enemy. I personally am neither a Republican nor a Democrat, but am disgusted by the tactics of the Democratic Party’s far left fringe who will do anything to try to embarrass our president. "
DK wrote on Apr 5, 2006 7:32 PM:
" Andrew Nelson you haven't been paying attention. 9/11 had nothing to do with our invasion of Iraq. It only became an incubator for terrorists after, and because, we invaded.
I'm curious about your "peace loving liberals" comment. So now not only is "liberal" a bad word but "peace" is too? Think about it.
"
one thought wrote on Apr 5, 2006 7:02 PM:
" Please fill in the blank.9-11-________________. "
So What wrote on Apr 5, 2006 6:57 PM:
" To Jay: I am sorry to hear that, to the nation we look like fools, and you know what they are probably right. How dare us not show up at the polls to let a bunch of do gooder college KIDS that know nothing about the military or what this country "needs" decide how we are viewed in front of the nation. We ALL failed! "
So What wrote on Apr 5, 2006 6:52 PM:
" You wanna know who won and lost? I will tell you. WE ALL LOST! Listen to the national news Wisconsin is all over it for voting on this and the overwhelming yes vote because those of us that would have voted no didn't waste our time doing an 8th grade referendum that doesn't mean anything. Now to the nation WISCONSIN (AKA ALL OF US) look like the stupid liberal hippies that are breaking up this country! Congrats Miss Thill, missino accomplished to the rest of the nation Wisconsin looks like the fools......I appreciate all that you did. What should we vote on next? How about we vote against the sky being blue or the grass being green or something else that makes Wisconsin look stupid that will change NOTHING! You should be ashamed! "
THE FLAG FLIES IN MY FRONT YARD wrote on Apr 5, 2006 6:23 PM:
" JOE, god bless you and the rest of the troops for what you do. not everyone agrees on what we are doing over seas, but when it comes down to it, when im old and see my grandchildren playing in our free country i would love to shake your hand and all others who served our country, be proud!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "
Stephen C. wrote on Apr 5, 2006 6:22 PM:
" How dare does this city pass this referendum. If you don't like the decisions being made in this country, you should find somewhere else to live. George W. Bush is a great...or the greatest leader this country has ever seen. Go USA. "
This vote was not an insult. wrote on Apr 5, 2006 6:00 PM:
" I believe Americans should be entitled to give an opinion about this war. The yes win is not an insult to Veterans,Soldiers,Iraq, or the Iraqi people. I have a lot of respect for soldiers and even considered joining the military myself, but that does not mean that I support the principles involved in this war. I don't believe we should withdraw from Iraq; however, if someone has the opinion that we should so be it. The whole point to this vote was for people to get their voice heard on the issue. Isn't that what the Vets fought for? the rights we Americans enjoy everyday? The people who voted are not insulting the military. They are questioning our government and the choices made by government officials. I believe we should take the time to question our leaders. "
Aneta wrote on Apr 5, 2006 5:27 PM:
" instead of udermining our troops lets be
AMERICANS and support them . The enemy feeds off crap like this referendum. You will end up like Vietnam support in the way some kids stand in the ranks.I want the brave soldiers to come home too, but when the job is done. The trouble with news reporters they publicize all the bad , not the good thats accomplished. Training of Iraqi police to eventually take over thier own patrols. A new democracy takes time. Support your President and our soldiers "
Thorn wrote on Apr 5, 2006 5:25 PM:
" Our government giving any military capability to any other country (i.e. Mustard gas to Iraq), does not, will not, cannot, justify what Saddam did with the gas. AND, where is the proof we "GAVE" it to them (documents accepted)? "
A note to liberals wrote on Apr 5, 2006 5:22 PM:
" Just a note, in case you are a liberal and don't read the news you may be interested in hearing that under Clinton, the Sudanese government had BinLaden and was willing to "give him" to the USA government, at this time Clinton said "no". And this was after the 1988 bombing and the bombing of the World Trade Center in the early 90's. GET A CLUE! "
TO: Enough Already wrote on Apr 5, 2006 5:17 PM:
" How can you say Iraq had nothing to do with the attacks? Everyone knows, including you and i, that Saddam has ties to BinLaden and was definately a part of the 9-11 terrorist plot. Get a clue buddy or quit talking. "
Embarrased to be from WI wrote on Apr 5, 2006 4:49 PM:
" They should have voted to repeal the law of gravity, then we could all just float around in this La La land you all live in. It would have been just as effective, and probably less embarrassing for the rest of the nation to see. "
Who funded this thing anyway?? wrote on Apr 5, 2006 4:44 PM:
" I find it interesting that 30 cities in WI happened to have this on their ballots. Sounds to me that some organization worked very hard to get this to happen. So I suggest to those who voted "yes" better do your homework and find out who this group is and what they will want you to believe next?? Always follow the money..... "
Kodakkid wrote on Apr 5, 2006 4:36 PM:
" Taking an informed position having visited Iraq the troops and being party to far greater amounts and detailed information about the mission and situation in Iraq is exactly what Rep.Kind was elected to do on behalf of the voters of the 3rd Dist. Jessica Thill has taken up the agenda of emotional and intelectual objections to our involvment in Iraq. Please, Ms. Thill,learn first hand the facts of our continued involvment in Iraq before you try and invoke the threat to oust Rep. Kind for having the the audasity to hold a opposing view to your own. Remember that those political talk show hosts you listen to, are realy there for entertainment value. Everything they say is screened for content, conservative and Liberal alike. Investigate, form an opinion and offer an alternative SOLUTION to current policy, that is how Democracy works or haven you learned that yet? "
So What wrote on Apr 5, 2006 4:20 PM:
" Hey Enough already, you really think Bush cares what a liberal city like LaCrosse cares? And once (if he actually notices) he sees the amount of turnout he DEFINALTY won't care. It was a typical joke for our anti-TROOP community.....there is no such thing as supporting them but not their cause! "
Dennis wrote on Apr 5, 2006 4:13 PM:
" Interesting that a majority of La Crosse voters voted to stop the troops fighting terrorism overseas, I guess their message is that they would rather have the terrorism back in our country. Too bad the 2,986 that died on 911 are no longer able to vote. To the 3,614 that voted yes, either start taking responsiblity or just always keep your head in the ground. Unbelievable!!! "
Gigi wrote on Apr 5, 2006 3:55 PM:
" I like how everyone thinks just LaCrosse voted on this..... try 30 counties.. and 22 of them decided to get our troops home ASAP... interesting. and as far as LaCrosse just being a liberal college town, I like to look at it as there's a higher percentage of the younger generation getting a higher education, where as, our parent's generation (most republicans) didn't nearly get the same education that we are. I like how that works. Maybe we should just let educated people just vote ;) "
An American wrote on Apr 5, 2006 3:40 PM:
" I can not believe that the people voted on this
They surely are not Americans!!!! "
cj wrote on Apr 5, 2006 3:40 PM:
" A Tribune editorial said those who support the referendum now see that "those who oppose the referendum are not warmongers who have been universally duped by the president," but that's exactly what I think. Get this: the president lied about the weapons and the nukes. He lied to Congress, to the UN and to us. He wants bases and oil. Period. And it seems he doesn’t care how many people he kills getting them. This is not a proper use of the military. The people serving are doing their jobs. It’s up to us to make our elected servants do the right thing. THAT is supporting the troops. If you think we are just supposed to just wave a flag and salute Our Dear Leader, move to North Korea – they want people just like you there. "
Daffy wrote on Apr 5, 2006 3:38 PM:
" This vote does mean the troops are coming home, right? "
R A wrote on Apr 5, 2006 3:33 PM:
" Move? is right, the colleges are full of left wing professors advocating impeachment and stirring up hate. It has gotten so bad that those of us who are sick of it have to do something, like no more federal money going to schools who brainwash children. Put your child in a private school where the parents have a say about curriculum. Is Jessica a college student? Where does she get her information about the war? What does she know about history? Just Wondering! "
enough already wrote on Apr 5, 2006 3:27 PM:
" I think everyone needs to stop complaining about this you had the opportunity to vote..if you didn't vote, that's your problem. For those of US (yes me too) who were not in the city and were unable to vote, oh well. this vote isn't bringing the troops home it is just to let bush know how LaCrosse city feels. And just a reminder, 9-11 had nothing to do with iraq..iraq did not send planes into our buildings (just in case you forgot). "
jay wrote on Apr 5, 2006 3:25 PM:
" To those who don't think that this story won't leave the La Crosse area: I am stationed in Alaska and heard the results of these referendums broadcast on the radio today (05APR2006). Many of my fellow soldiers scoffed at the results and I had a hard time defending my home state. "
SLIDER (part 2) wrote on Apr 5, 2006 2:59 PM:
" Bring our troops home now, both Bush and Cheaney missed out on their oppourtunity to serve their country in a battle, imagine that and that suddenly the military records are too muddy to read and they dissappear without a trace, of course Dead Eye Dick and his Six Pack Lunch before he goes Quial Hunting couldn't hit anything he was after any way. The Impeachment proceeding need to begin yesterday, call your congressment and demand that this get started. I have never seen an administration that can talk around answers to simple question as much as this one, all double talk, makes me wonder if they were the children left behind. They need to practice what they preach before telling a country illeagly occupied how to and who should be in charge, hell they can't even run their own country. "
SLIDER wrote on Apr 5, 2006 2:59 PM:
" Hope that the ones gaining profits from the war have had enough, the tower seems to be falling for them and it should have long ago like during the Presidental Election when Gore legally won and The Bush War Machine/Big Business, could not accept the fact that he/they were defeated. So how do you expect American Citizens to rise up and support the guttless wonder, I don't and won't and never will, lies, deception, deserter from the Viet Nam Conflict not War, corruption and personal gain is not what the Elected Government is about or should not bow and stick their heads up big business. "
TO: the person who replied to THORN wrote on Apr 5, 2006 2:40 PM:
" if you dont like your government than get the hell out of our country and leave room for the people who wake up each day and thank God for being able to live in the GREATEST COUNTRY of all time. We owe that to soldiers of the past, present and future and don't forget it. Go thank a Vet for once and see how it feels for you to be in their presence. "
SAD wrote on Apr 5, 2006 2:40 PM:
" I am saddended by the comments on both sides. I am a locally elected official and often hear that we should "just let the people vote" on issues instead of us making decisions based on our values etc. As a non-binding referendum it is one of our democracy's tools. Enough name calling on both sides - no more sour grapes - it is what it is. "
Andrew Nelson wrote on Apr 5, 2006 2:37 PM:
" "We will bear any burden, pay any price" JFK president for all the peace loving liberals. What happened to that mind set? Have liberals nothing better to do than to bash one of the greatest presidents of all time? Not only has Bush secured our future, he has brought change through the middle east and well as trying to preserve our cities and towns from another terrorist strike. How dare you forget how every single person that loves the USA felt on September 11th and how dare you say that we need to give up on Iraq and bring our troops home. That will only give the enemy more hope that they can strike the USA without any repercussion.
Think about it. "
Agrees with "Please Put this in Perspecitve wrote on Apr 5, 2006 2:34 PM:
" So,21% of 32,521 voters said to bring the troops home? And- what will that accomplish? We wasted time, and money on this referendum and what difference does it make? They are over there, get used to it. It doesn't look like that is going to change any time soon, and especially not because some bored people in our tiny city decided to have a referendum.Every city in every state in this country could have the same referendum, and no matter what, the decision to bring the troops home still lies with the government. We need to make the troops feel that they are not doing this all in vein, that we appreciate the blood, sweat, and tears. Spend your time and money trying to supporting them, not killing their morale. "
To "How Quickly You Forget": wrote on Apr 5, 2006 2:32 PM:
" What a good little sheep you are, carrying on the lie that Iraq had anything to do with 9/11. Only the completely ignorant believe that. "
GJ wrote on Apr 5, 2006 1:57 PM:
" I would like to point out that LaCrosse was not the only community that voted. 32 communities voted and 24 communities voted in favor of the referendum. That's 75% 0f the communities that voted are in favor of troop withdrawal. What does it matter how a district voted? So UW-L voted yes. The more educated a person is the more liberal they tend to be. The Franciscan Sisters of Perpetual Adoration voted in favor of the referendum. Maybe the right wing war lovers could learn something from them? "
Who Cares? wrote on Apr 5, 2006 1:42 PM:
" WOW. Good Job. Now let's vote on whetehr we want snow on Christmas. "
Proud Wife wrote on Apr 5, 2006 1:38 PM:
" My husband VOLUNTEERED, like everyone else in the military today, to fight if necessary. It is sad to think that the troops may feel that they are not supported. This is their job- they get paid, and granted it's not safe like going to an office, it's still a job. I hate the though of something happening to him and having to deal with protesters at his funeral. What is wrong with this country? Respect those that fight for your freedoms. "
Message from a Vet wrote on Apr 5, 2006 1:23 PM:
" I called my father who is a decorated Air Force veteran who fought proudly in WWII. His comment about the referendum - "Congratulations!". He couldn't be more opposed to the current occupation in Iraq - that's coming from someone who has seen combat and has absolutely earned his stripes. "
Skewed outcome wrote on Apr 5, 2006 1:21 PM:
" with only 21% of the voters coming out and the majority of the votes coming from non-permanent voters of La Crosse, this says absolutely nothing
One thing the yes voters are missing; the troops are coming home and less are being deployed to replace them. I supposed when all the troops come home the Yes voters will take the credit. "
Proud to be from La Crosse wrote on Apr 5, 2006 1:17 PM:
" The Yes vote - way to go La Crosse! "
Chuckles wrote on Apr 5, 2006 1:00 PM:
" As for the people that did not vote, don't count on them running down to the recruitment office to enlist.
A non vote is more likely to be a "yes" vote in this case. Sorry, R Wingers. "
Chuckles wrote on Apr 5, 2006 12:52 PM:
" It is fun reading these comments. Anyone figure how or why we got the class clown to be our fearless wannabe cowboy leader?
We have become a nation of adolescents. "
US Marine Gulf War Veteran wrote on Apr 5, 2006 12:30 PM:
" I'm so disgusted I can't even put it into words. How could the people of Lacrosse let this slip through. "
Reality wrote on Apr 5, 2006 12:27 PM:
" Guess what????? The low voter turnout favors supporting the war because poor people don't vote, and poor people don't like war and their social programs cut....read a book sometime instead of watching Fow News and reading Sean Hannity. "
Please put this in perspective wrote on Apr 5, 2006 12:26 PM:
" Instead of wasting time and money on "asinine" referendums, why don't you find something to do to help the troops and their families? Volunteer with the USO, VFW or American Legion. Those are just a few places to start. Get involved, talk to those who have served and are serving our country. Support their families. Listen and learn.
Here is a resolution worth supporting:
www.vfw.org/index.cfm?fa=news.newsDtl&did=2963 "
HIstory Repeats wrote on Apr 5, 2006 12:25 PM:
"
I would be willing to bet any amount of money that the same people who want us to stay in Iraq and 'finish the job' would be the same people who would say 'we should have finished the job in Vietnam'.
Wait a minute, President Bush declared the war over ('Mission Accomplished') years ago anyways, so why do you far-righties (I say far, because a larger percentage of republicans think Bush is a joke) still insist on staying?
Ok, Ok.....you're tough and stubborn and full of 'John Wayne'----but a mistake is a mistake: This war is against RELIGIOUS EXTREMISM, not NATIONALISTIC DICTATORSHIPS. End of story.
Maybe if you far righties had the mental capicity to read texts like 'War and Peace' and works by MIT professor Noam Chomsky you'd understand what is really going on today. "
RanDomino wrote on Apr 5, 2006 12:21 PM:
" Ahahahah, we won! Bush: We're coming for you next! "
Brian Smith Again wrote on Apr 5, 2006 12:20 PM:
" Wow, I can't believe how hostile peace loving liberals are. How can you reason with people whos morals and reasoning are based on nothing. Think we are over in a country (Iraq)trying to help establish a place where you can be any religion and speak out against the government without being killed or having to kill your own family before they kill you. I really love what my forefathers have laid out for us and our veterans have fought to maintain. My earliest ancestors came over in the late 1600's to get away from socialism and have religious freedon (not to be confused with freedom from religion). America, love it or leave it! "
Tony wrote on Apr 5, 2006 12:18 PM:
" The message of Jesus is clearly lost on those who support the war. And their inability to engage in a reasoned debate is certainly not in the interest of democracy.
I was amused about the earlier post about Bush not caring about the will of the people: isn't that the whole problem? If we're going to fight a war, we need to be united, and we need allies. So far, the opposite is true.
We're clearly heading into VietRaq, and we need to change course NOW. Our national security needs to be based on good reasoning, good intellegence, strong alliances, and with the will of the people. Bush has FAILED us on every issue, and in doing so, is jepordizing our future. "
Thanks wrote on Apr 5, 2006 12:17 PM:
" With the bulk of the yes votes coming from the city center area which includes the universities and colleges, and the no votes coming from the permanent residents of the city, I would like to express my thanks to the young college-aged men and women of the armed forces how have seen fit to do their duty.
1500 votes from the university area doesn't create a mandate for this city and fortunately this whole fiasco will pass away in the months ahead.
Again, for those who had the chance to vote, thank a vet.
"
Hubert Hoffman, Onalaska wrote on Apr 5, 2006 12:08 PM:
" The Iraqi government is in its infancy. None of us would send a child out into the world to survive alone, but an immediate withdrawal would leave the infant, unstable Iraqi government to fend for itself. We spent 50 years and countless trillions rebuilding Europe and Asia after WW-II. History shows that EVERY time man has tried the 'quick fix' things deteriorate. We have two choices, stay, and complete what we started, which will take 50 to 75 years, or leave. If we leave, the Iraqi government will fall and Iraq will become another lawless land like Lebanon. We owe it to the next generation to try and better the world. Allowing anarchy to go unchecked does not better the world for our children. We MUST continue to help Iraq to make a better world for both our children and theirs. "
Please put this in perspective wrote on Apr 5, 2006 12:07 PM:
" If you're going to argue the percentages reported by the Tribune, please put it in perspective. 3614 voters of the 51,001 La Crosse population (as of 2004-8-14)voted yes to this referendum. That turns out to be 7% of the population. In acuality, it is less than 7%, since many of the student voters are not permanent residents of La Crosse City. To vote in an election, one only needs to have lived in an election district or ward for 10 days. So less than 7% of the city's population voted for this referendum. I think it is pretty safe to say that most people would like for the troops to come home. BUT, by passing this referendum, we have told the troops that what they are doing is wrong. Sounds like Vietnam to me all over again.
"
To: Thorn wrote on Apr 5, 2006 11:49 AM:
" Thorn, as I pointed out to How Quickly You Forget, thank the U.S. Government for providing Mustard Gas to Saddam in the early 80's. If Saddam is at fault so is the U.S. Blame your government. "
DJ wrote on Apr 5, 2006 11:31 AM:
" Rather sloppy headline. I doubt if fifty some percent translates into VOTERS all. It only indicates that fifty some percent of those who voted are either losers or identify with losers. "
Didn't Jesus say... wrote on Apr 5, 2006 11:26 AM:
" something about if your enemy slaps your cheek, offer him the other? Asks for your shirt, give him your coat too? When one believes they have something to lose, they've already lost. "
Thorn wrote on Apr 5, 2006 11:25 AM:
" I spent the better part of 2 hours searching the web for the "results" of this referendum being picked up by the National Press. NONE! NOTTA! ZILCH! I just kept getting hits on the LaCrosse Tribune and the WNPG.ORG site...and for all you fools that think 9/11 & WMDs and Iraq are not "connected" (WHATEVER that means); I guess you must have been sleeping last year as more and more facts surface (through various intelligence agencies) that Iraq (i.e. SADDAM); was fully engaged in supporting the activities that lead up 9/11, AND moving his WNDs to Syria (If Mustard gas that kills 200,000 innocent Kurdish women and children is not a WMD, then what is it!?) "
To: joe wrote on Apr 5, 2006 11:08 AM:
" Joe, if you're concerned about where this country is going here's some advice us "bleeding heart liberals" hear all the time: "If you don't like it here, leave. Move to a different country." Perhaps, all these "bleeding [caring and peaceful] heart liberals" are a result because not enough of the hard line conservatives are smacking their children around. If you want warhawks you need to bring on more violence duh! Peace begets peace, violence begets violence. "
Mark Twain wrote on Apr 5, 2006 11:06 AM:
" Joe:
"It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt."
So then we may be heading down the path of, say maybe Switzerland??, if we, those terrible liberals, have our way and turn the other cheek? It's so much more than just turning the other cheek. Should we just sit back and let cable tv wash over us? Just let the powers that be do what they will? "
Think about it wrote on Apr 5, 2006 10:59 AM:
" Do you actually think that George W. is going to look at these referenda and say "Just because a lot of people in Wisconsin want the troops home, let's pull out!" I do not think so. If he knew about this I would be anything he is laughing about it! "
To: looking in wrote on Apr 5, 2006 10:56 AM:
" Yes that's right, I forgot, Iraq was behing 9/11... I think what this shows is we'll go after countries that have something we want (Oil) and we know we can take (What about our biggest threat, bigger than Iran, North Korea?). People wake up! "
To Brian L. Smith, Again wrote on Apr 5, 2006 10:52 AM:
" Yeah, I can't wait to kill people because they disagree with an idea or action. Lets be like the Germans in the 1930's and 1940's. Lets shut them up or round them up! I wonder what all the activity on the "closed" army bases is for?
"
9-11 wrote on Apr 5, 2006 10:44 AM:
" On that tragic day, September 11, 2001, America lost nearly 3000 loved ones. Now, it's 2006, and America is still loosing loved ones for what, lie from our government? Things are looking better. DeLay will not be a patsy in Washington; this referendum passed, telling Washington, "We don't believe in this war;" and finally, we still haven't "caught" Osama Bin Laden. To you, Chris Muller--the patsy for the pied piper at the White House--this is just exercising our right to petition the government. You said that other nations will look down upon us for pulling our troops out; one word for you sir, VIETNAM. "
Responsibility wrote on Apr 5, 2006 10:36 AM:
" I see so many comments about sides and left and right and winning and losing. It doesn't matter how you voted or what the outcome was. We as Americans have a RESPONSIBLITY to finish what we started or at the very least not leave in the middle of our task. It doesn't matter if you belive in the war or the cause or the president. We went to war. That is a fact we cannot ignore. War sucks. I don't think anyone is going to argue that either. However, we are there and we need to continue. There are many counting on us and our military. The Iraqi people are at the top of that list. It is our RESPONSIBLITY regardelss of the risks involved. "
Not Partisan wrote on Apr 5, 2006 10:35 AM:
" I'm fascinated that people keep making this a partisan issue. One post talks about the Republicans and the President's cronies. I don't believe Democratic Congressman Ron Kind fits into either of those categories. He does not support immediate pullout and has said that it would result in "chaos, civil war, and bloodshed." I'm sure that he's disappointed in the City of La Crosse today. "
To How Quickly You Forget wrote on Apr 5, 2006 10:34 AM:
" Yes a sad and tragic event occurred on 9/11/2001. 3000 people out of 300 million [U.S. citizens] died in a horrible act of terrorism. I'm more likely to die in a car accident or by getting hit by a drunk driver on my way to work than I am from an act of terrorism. About those WMDs we were suppose to find in Iraq (which must have been destroyed!)... thank the U.S. Government for providing them to Saddam in the early 80's. The government was just trying to help us and benefit us by keeping Iran and Iraq at war. That plan surely worked! "
3Pointplay wrote on Apr 5, 2006 10:32 AM:
" I'm against the war but didn't care much about this referendum.
However, some of the comments here are disturbing.
First, this war has nothing to do with 9/11. Saddam was a secular dictator and had little to do Al Queda.
Don't insult our intelligence by telling us that we have forgotten 9/11. We could have gone after Al Queda EXCLUSIVELY and not Saddam.
Second, it's SO ironic that supporters of this war call those opposed to this war "cowards". It may not show any courage to oppose this war, butit takes even less to sit behind a computer in this country and call others names. The only people who are showing any courage are our troops in Iraq in impossible circumstances.
"
Gee, this is really neat wrote on Apr 5, 2006 10:26 AM:
" Oh boy! Thanks to the internet, i can rant and rave and shove my opinion down the throat of people who do the same! And thanks to the 150 word limit and lack of human contact, I'm sure this forum is doing a lot to spread good democratic discussion! Your comments are all very thoughtful and stimulating. I'm so glad we don't care what the other side of an argument has to say anymore, as long as we villify and marginalize them, we can shout how great we are! It's a good thing war isn't in any way ambivalent or you'd all sound really stupid. "
Adoration wrote on Apr 5, 2006 10:22 AM:
" Some war supporters attempt to discount the Yes vote by name calling the voters. Apparently the message of democracy is lost on these souls. Here’s another name you can invoke on those who seriously question our occupation of Iraq - "Christian". The good sisters of Perpetual Adoration (District 11) have got it exactly right on this issue. If this referendum is influenced by their message of peace and understanding then perhaps we need to "bring 'em on". "
looking in wrote on Apr 5, 2006 10:22 AM:
" I don't live in La Crosse, but I have been following this issue. Should we put our tails between our legs and run? Let the world know they can do what they want with us and we will only go just so far in defending ourselves against terror attacks? Have you no respect for the men and women who have volunteered to give everything to keep us a free nation? To vote on such an issue, is just plain stupid. We only know what a bias media wants us to know. I believe the people in charge of this know the unbias truth.
To What would Jesus Do, He gave everything so you could be free and have life ever after. He didn't run when the going got tough. "
Tony wrote on Apr 5, 2006 10:18 AM:
" This is what I'm hearing from those who lost the vote: "crazy" liberals are "cowards", "sissies", forgot 9/11, are "treasonous"... I get the idea.
So, where does the name-calling stop and actual discussion begin? Raw hostility isn't a reasoned way to solve a problem. "
just a thought wrote on Apr 5, 2006 10:11 AM:
" i am pretty sure the Iraqis just want to stop being terrorized, from foreign invaders. "
William L wrote on Apr 5, 2006 10:11 AM:
" 21 percent of voters? This is scandalous--how can we pretend to be the great spreaders of democracy when our own citizens can't be bothered to get off the couch for a half hour to vote?
Even if you opposed the referendum--you have a responsibility to get out. If the referendum truly failed to "motivate local residents to attend the polls," do local residents similary care nothing about school board elections and local offices?
The willfull lack of respect for the voting process is a more serious symptom of our decline in patriotism than any so-called 'lack of respect' for the troops. "
Bezzer wrote on Apr 5, 2006 10:10 AM:
" WHO REALLY LOST!
The YES side really won. They gave propaganda to the other side. The young men and women in our military that our over in Iraq fighting are the one's that lost. The terrorist now have more weapons of mass destruction, "THE NEWS" They can use this meaningless referendium to recruit new troops. They can tell them not to worry, America is weak, its own people do not support that war or their own military. Nice job collage kids. I wonder how you would have voted if you were there instead of nice and safe here.
"
One Nation Backing each other (cont) wrote on Apr 5, 2006 10:07 AM:
" (cont) For those of you that still need help. America is the company and I am one of many of the billions of coworkers that I live with and work with in this great nation. My troops I stand behind no matter what the boss says. Yes it is different because there is death that is involved in this job. Nobody wants this! If you turn your backs on your co-workers, troops then you turn your back on your company, America. They are there for a reason. I stand behind my friends and family that are serving this great nation. "
One Nation Backing each other (Cont) wrote on Apr 5, 2006 10:07 AM:
" (cont) Yes, some troops disagree with what we are doing over there and some agree. I see that everyday at my workplace. I disagree with what my coworker does, but you know what, I still help them out. Make sure the job gets done. Back them at every moment to make sure that I, along with the co-workers along with the company will look good as a whole. So that the customer will be happy with the turnout that we have done and will want to call upon us anytime they need help. I hope my point is starting to set in. \ "
One Nation backing each other wrote on Apr 5, 2006 10:05 AM:
" Our side lost and our side won -- we are a nation of one....keep it that way!!! Please stop trying to pull the troops out. The job is not done, let them finish. The workers that constructed the new blue bridge, why didn't you ask them to leave before the job was done. Workers constructing the new buildings and ramps, please go ask them to leave when the job is not done. Road construction workers, please ask them leave when the job is not done. Getting my point!! We all have jobs and choices that we don't like, many of them brought on by our bosses. I’m sure many of you go ahead and do what you were told to do even though you didn't agree with it. (cont) "
Thorn wrote on Apr 5, 2006 9:45 AM:
" Another meaningless "feel-good" excercise. Completely, statistically insignificant, and biased beyond belief. Any resident with ANY common sense will realize what a waste of time and money this effort was. As with all "progressive" liberal activities this vote only serves to move people farther apart on this issue; not bring them together. "
To voting results wrote on Apr 5, 2006 9:41 AM:
" La Crosse County's website has the official results. "
Ryan wrote on Apr 5, 2006 9:36 AM:
" The bottom line here is that the pro-war organization failed to make its case. Their slogan "Vote no to cut and run" sounds like a "no" vote to the referendum is a vote to cut and run! This is the opposite of what their opinion is! Instead of engaging people, they simply lectured, and tried to shame people into voting "no" by questioning their patriotism. It's not hard to see why this approach failed. People who are against the war aren't being presented with any facts to convince them to reconsider. The number of people against the war will only increase. "
It worked. wrote on Apr 5, 2006 9:33 AM:
" The young people who worked for the referendum and a yes vote won, but even had the vote gone "no" they still would have won. In a free and fair and honest election democracy always wins.
Young people, either left or right, should be applauded for being passionate about their beliefs and getting involved in the political process. Perhaps if those who supported a "no" vote would have been as passionate about their cause, then their side would have won. They are sure fired up with their words, it's too bad they were not as fired up about involving themselves in democracy and bother to vote. "
Liberals separate? wrote on Apr 5, 2006 9:28 AM:
" Yo people were all nuts
slinging mud at each other,
we're supposed to be united
Can't we come together?
If you want the troops home
You don't hate what they've done
If you want them to stay
You believe it's what must come
A war ain't pretty
It makes a lot of us sad
but even uglier is
the way we make one another look bad
Please my sisters, my brothers
take a minute to think
of something good to say
about opposite view of this thing
"
Retired Army Reserve wrote on Apr 5, 2006 9:27 AM:
" I am very proud of residents in the city of La Crosse. I am even more proud of the Fransciscan Sisters of Perpetuial Adoration for their stand against the war. This whole Iraq war is bogus. The Bush presidency is bogus (he should have never been appointed President by the U.S. Surpreme Court). The people surrounding Bush are Bogus (see Tom DeLay).
Conservatives & right-wing kooks, I feel very sorry for you. You are so fearful of everything. That's why you love your guns, and why you are right-wing nuts.
God bless the good people of La Crosse who voted yes. Coming from a 22-year military veteran, I am very proud of you! "
Guy wrote on Apr 5, 2006 9:25 AM:
" "But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also; and if any one would sue you and take your coat, let him have your cloak as well; and if any one forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to him who begs from you, and do not refuse him who would borrow from you. You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you." Matthew 5:38:45 "
Get over it wingers! wrote on Apr 5, 2006 9:18 AM:
" Isn't that what you told the Democrats about their loss to Bush? Also, try not to be too hypocritical. If this referendum had been worded to keep the troops in Iraq and won, you all would have applauded the process. Don't understand the election process? How does the maybe 33% of the eligible voters that Bush got the last time constitute a majority? You have no problem taking the college kids' money, you just resent them being able to vote. Nasty constitutional rights, who needs them?
After all, most of the troops dying in Iraq are the age of their brothers, sisters, friends, so college students deserve a say as much as anyone. If you wanted your side to win so badly, why didn't you get out your vote?
That's the way democracy works. "
Just Like Fools wrote on Apr 5, 2006 9:16 AM:
" Memo to the uninformed liberals; by voting "yes", you have wished death to the Iraqi dream, government and their people. Oh and by the way..You have made the city of LaCrosse look like a bunch of idiots as well..too bad my district didn't weigh in at the polls in West Salem. "
Paul wrote on Apr 5, 2006 9:15 AM:
" You right wingers give me the impression that you actually like war. "
Paul Medinger wrote on Apr 5, 2006 9:13 AM:
" I've never know liberals to be the dividers. It's the republicans that separate Americans...the income gap widens, the rich get richer, the poor get poorer, and after ever-so-slim elections in 2000 and 2004, Bush thought he had some sort of mandate. Tax cuts during war time? That's an oxymoron. I'm with you, we should be together, but it is the right which seems to me the huge divider in America. I'm a moderate, and I've noticed that only the blindly following right thinks otherwise. "
Joe wrote on Apr 5, 2006 9:08 AM:
" Because this country is getting filled with so many bleeding heart liberals, it scares me to think what will happen ten, twenty, thirty years down the road. If we keep turning the other cheek sooner or later we will no longer be a free country under our own rule. Think about that. How would you like your children or grandchildren having to live under rules of one of the hostile nations we may face some day. "
CITY !!! of lacrosse , Bad on You wrote on Apr 5, 2006 9:04 AM:
" Vietnam all over again. Sorry to the hard working military folks. I do live in La Crosse COUNTY !!! ask Miss Thill why I did not get to vote ? only 11.1% city poeple did and look what happened, I guess us country folk don't know any thing. These men and women ARE giving you this right to spit on them you need to go to san franciso, only they think like you do. Not the County. Thanks "
Stonie wrote on Apr 5, 2006 8:57 AM:
" It's so interesting to just how quickly the right-wingers flip flop: majorities suddenly don't mean anything. Does logic have place in the debate with these people?!? They're using a cold-war mentality that didn't work even in the cold war.
And since when did being a student have any bearing on a person's right to vote? That's like saying that people in nursings homes shouldn't be able to vote since they probably won't be around much longer than the college students the right wingers disparage. "
Voting results wrote on Apr 5, 2006 8:50 AM:
" It would be interesting to see the referendum voting results by district. Anybody know where to find them? "
hey oz wrote on Apr 5, 2006 8:40 AM:
" What a hollow victory the 'yes' side won. Now what? I know...everyone who voted 'yes' should get together tonight at Jessica's house to watch the big pullout begin. I'm sure it will be starting today. It'll be on CNN. Or maybe Hollywood could make a movie on the La Crosse referendum vote. I'm sure it's already scripted. They are just trying to figure out who would play the role of Jessica. "
Mr. Sena wrote on Apr 5, 2006 8:39 AM:
" This referendum was a complete waste of time and energy. Regardless of the results, our current president couldn't care less about what Wisconsinites think. He doesn't care about what ANYONE thinks - unless they are members of his cabinet, PNAC, or Halliburton. We could have had a unanimous national referendum that called for the removal of our troops from Iraq, and George W. Bush wouldn't care one bit. "
JIM wrote on Apr 5, 2006 8:37 AM:
" Maybe we are there for the wrong reasons. But we are there, don't we owe anything to the Iraqis? We have gotten rid of a dictator that controlled the country for over 30 years. Do you expect that we can rebuild it in 3 years? We can not leave until the job is done, we owe it to the people in Iraq. "
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