To Re wrote on May 5, 2006 9:33 AM:
" I spoke from the experience of a student, tutor, college teacher, and grad student with others who were either high school or college teachers at the time. What I said is true. I know it is true because I hear the same story over an over again. High school teachers who go back to college are very open and will tell their classmates and professors anything. It irks us to no end how people continually defend the very small minority of teachers who cannot teach. "
"re: Identifying the bad teacher" wrote on May 1, 2006 3:24 PM:
" Please visit your local school! Volunteer, spend time getting to know what is going on. You would be pleasantly surprised at the wonderful things taking place there everyday. Invest some of YOUR time in your child's education, and please remember, education starts at HOME.
"
Identifying the bad teacher wrote on May 1, 2006 6:03 AM:
" Sometimes faculty, students, and administration don't pick up on the habits of the "bad teacher" until long after his or her practice teaching or first few years as a full-timer. And by that time, these poor teachers have befriended other faculty, certain parents, and even administration. That's why it is so difficult to fire bad teachers, especially in high school. They have become fixtures at the expense of the students' education as well as the reputation of the excellent teachers. Believe me, teachers getting upset from these postings, bad teachers are out there. "
Poor teaching/poor administration wrote on May 1, 2006 1:35 AM:
" It is very difficult to get rid of bad teachers, especially in the high schools. Sooner of later, friendships with fellow teachers and the administration take precedent over good teaching. Perhaps one of the most important things a parent can do for their child in high school is to make yourself known to the faculty. Your mere presence is a strong indication that you will not allow your child to become marginalized or otherwise treated inappropriately by students or teachers. As far as school boards go, you should strongly consider principal and superintendent candidates from outside your district -- otherwise poor teaching behavior can be defended by those who had questionable teaching ability themselves. "
Dear Chip wrote on Apr 30, 2006 4:39 AM:
" I am a college educated person and a teacher. I am almost done with my masters so I am not a moron, ask my professors. Where do you get offblaming a whole profession for your shortcomings. You preach hate and you have no clue. I make my decisions based upon the needs of students. I could blame my problems on parents, but that makes me no better than the people that bash teachers. Yes, there are bad teahers just like there are bad doctors, lawyers, farmers, and businessmen. The difference is that everyone feels the need to comment on teachers because they have all attended school which makes them EXPERTS on public education. How often does it make front page news where there is a problem with poor welders, mechanics, doctors, beauticians, lawyers, secretaries, etc. We are the political whipping boys because it is popular! "
empathy wrote on Apr 30, 2006 4:27 AM:
" DUH, school teachers do not have tenure, only professors have that, teachers have a right to employment which they earn after 2-3 years of successful teaching. I can't believe that people have just figured out that it takes good teaching to teach. Those of us who have been doing it have known it for years. The rest will never catch on ... "
Reality check wrote on Apr 29, 2006 6:20 PM:
" My baby sister was told by a public school “guidance” counselor that she should become a beautician…that she did not have the mental capacity to do much more. I’m proud to say that my baby sister is now working on her PhD.
Apparently, my little sister proved this “guidance” counselor wrong. He was willing to give up; my little sister wasn’t.
Oh yes, after receiving that advice, my baby sister was removed from the public school system and put into the private schools. Again, my baby sister is working on her PhD.
How many others out there have, are and continue to be relegated to the trash heap? How many others never realized their full potential? My baby sister was lucky. How many others weren’t.
Hmmm…PhD vs beautician. Talk about polar opposites. Kind of like public vs private. "
reply to "need better educational standards" wrote on Apr 29, 2006 6:07 PM:
" Under PI 34 this is already happening. And Summer has always been the time when teachers attend and complete college graduate courses, rewrite curriculum as well as attend the Washburn Academy. Once again, someone from the public speaks out against teachers without any understanding of what is really going on... "
But the point is wrote on Apr 29, 2006 5:49 PM:
" Ok, so the teachers and Ed students here are defensive I get it. I'm a teacher by training with a couple of education degrees and reality is we are not drawing the best and brightest based on my classmates, especially as an undergrad
In addition, as a parent I am stunned at how anti-parent schools are. We just had kindergarten orientation for our daughter and were told "we love parent volunteers, but not until October so we can establish our family" Excuse me?!!! My child has a family and I am your partner in this venture, treat me as such and get the respect you want "
In regards to educational standards... wrote on Apr 29, 2006 3:21 PM:
" New teachers must take a series of tests to even get in education programs. We must also take tests in our content areas and meet certain levels before we are allowed to student teach. While doing our student teaching we must create electronic portfolios that are reviewed by the Department of Public Instruction (DPI). Once all of those have been completed we are allowed to graduate and get our introductory license. We then have three to five years to complete a Professional Development Plan (PDP) that is reviewed by a certified college professor, public school administrator and teacher from that teacher’s content area (all while being on a probationary status in the school we are hired at). If this PDP is accepted, then we get our license for another period of time and are required to continue with the PI-34 process established by DPI. "
Mikey wrote on Apr 29, 2006 1:10 PM:
" Before we get our shorts all in a bindle about "good" and "bad" teachers, let's talk for a while about drug use by students and their parents, about spoiled parents whose kids can do no wrong, about single parenting difficulties, about abusive parents, about poverty and frquent moves, about disruptive students and the impact they have on learning, about a teachers' slashed tires or broken windshields after a test. Teaching is a VERY difficult job. My hats off to the good ones. As for the bad ones, I guess my question is were they bad when they got tenure or were they made bad by years of abuse and burnout? "
Full Time Teacher wrote on Apr 29, 2006 11:47 AM:
" Clearly, seeing the discussion here, teachers are highly undervalued. I am fortunate enough to work at a school that scores consistently higher than the state and nat'l average. This is NO accident. Learning is happens all day, in class, on the playground, at lunch, in art and music... We teach children with ALL types of learning abilities and disabilities. Yet, as listed above, many people choose to bash the teachers/schools. My question is... Have you ever visited the school? Have you volunteered to help in a classroom? Do you follow through at home? Do you turn in permission slips on time, help with home work, read to your child,etc?. Do you coach, lead a troop, teach Sunday School? If you have all of the answers on public education today, do something besides complain - HELP OUT! "
Need better educational standards wrote on Apr 29, 2006 11:31 AM:
" We need teachers to be tested against a national standard to help reassure the public they are getting what they are paying for. We also need them to go back to school during Summer to hone their teaching skills and keep up on the latest teaching techniques. We are consumers paying BIG BUCKS to educate our kids and we should DEMAND quality education from our teachers. "
Dean wrote on Apr 29, 2006 10:02 AM:
" My daughter did rather commplicated math problems before she started school. By fourth grade she had lost the ability. Had teachers say that they enjoyed her in class because if they couldn't teach something they knew that our daughter could explain it to her study group. I had great teachers and I had teachers who were so bad that I was embarrassed for them. Why not weed out the bad ones for the sake of every kid having the best teacher available? "
Shame on the Tribune wrote on Apr 29, 2006 8:40 AM:
" I am very happy with my child's education. I am always welcome in my child's classroom, and my child is very fortunate to get a good education. This is a horrible, horrible question to put in front of readers. Satisfied people seldom comment, but people with axes to grind will be the first to take aim at groups they are disappointed with. Shame on you LaCrosse Tribune for even giving people an opportunity to say bad things publicly about schools and anonymously at that! You could have set the discussion with a more positive setting. Also, do not hide behind "The Tribune Editing Board." I like to know the background of authors based on other articles written. This is tabloid stuff. "
Get what you pay for wrote on Apr 28, 2006 8:31 PM:
" Maybe we should put other professionals like doctors and lawyers on an incentive system, too. Doctors and lawyers with the most successful patients and cases will be rewarded monetarily and doctors and lawyers who loose the most cases and patients can be terminated or earn less than their peers. How do you think this would effect our healthcare and court system? If teachers are put on an incentive system then other professionals should be placed on a similar system. That will NEVER happen in other professions, why do people think this is a possibility with teachers? What professional will want to operate on, litigate, or teach individuals who are failures then...nobody? Whoever gets the good students will be the great teachers. It has nothing to do with true "performance". "
take the time wrote on Apr 28, 2006 8:14 PM:
" To parents who put all of the blame on teachers: research consistently shows that the biggest influence in a child's education is the family/school connection, not the quality of the teacher. Please consider your role in your child's education! "
Proven Wrong wrote on Apr 28, 2006 8:11 PM:
" Like many of you, I used to have my own negative opinions of teachers. Then, after volunteering in the schools, I was inspired to pursue my Master's Degree in education. After spending hundreds of hours in area classrooms, I can guarantee taxpayers you that you have an extremely valuable gift in your public schools. If you are critical of our schools, please consider volunteering your time to them. I know this is not possible for everyone, but it certaintly was eye-opening for me, as I'm sure it would be for you. "
Obvious wrote on Apr 28, 2006 7:40 PM:
" I think most of us can agree that Chip's comments are highly offensive whether or not you are a parent/teacher. I may be wrong, but it seems obvious that he is just trying to get a rise out of people and is succeeding. "Good" parents and teachers would say that responding to him only encourages his behavior! "
Thank you! wrote on Apr 28, 2006 7:35 PM:
" I would just like to thank all of the teachers in the La Crosse area. I received my high school, college, and Master's degrees from you, and I owe much of my success to your thankless efforts. After relocating around the country, it is quite obvious that WI has one of the best education systems and teachers in the nation. Anyone who has ever left the area can probably agree with me-you are much more marketable in many professions with an education from the midwest. Another thought-do people still believe "those who can't teach do?" Anyone who is ignorant enough to make that comment should try getting a teaching job in the midwest-it's not easy! "
Chip D wrote on Apr 28, 2006 3:50 PM:
" I've raised my dog better than most of you so called "parents" sad thing is, I'm required to have a license for my dog...Most of you dead beat parents only have children for the welfare benefits.I wouldn't trust the majority of Lacrosse teacher's with my dog much less a human being. Maybe we could classify a few more kids as having "ADD" and pump them full of drugs so they don't need parenting "
Student wrote on Apr 28, 2006 3:34 PM:
" In the end, it doesn't matter if the teacher is good or bad. What matters is the student's desire to do good. When you get into the real world it doesn't matter if you hate your boss or not, you still do the job. School is supposed to teach responsibility. Most students that say they hate their teachers just hate them because they are challenged in a way they never have been before. "
Hey: I'm a teacher too wrote on Apr 28, 2006 12:37 PM:
" Kindergarten teacher? or easy teacher? "
TO:HOW ABOUT THIS wrote on Apr 28, 2006 12:29 PM:
" You have a fairly good idea,except,you blow it when you put down the parents! Not all of us,look at our children as being a burden,nor shun the responsibility of being a parent.We value and treasure the opportunity to have had children.Nothing, is more rewarding than to see things again, through the eyes of a child,to share our life experiences and watch them grow. We choose to have them and are responsible for them. Our children,some graduated already and 2 still in school,have had good experiences in school.We also,have been fortunate enough to,not,have to rely on childcare,and have been able to be there for them every step of the way. "
No child left behind? wrote on Apr 28, 2006 11:42 AM:
" My child is left behind. My son is dyslexic, but the Holmen school district doesn't recognize this as a learning problem. His reading teacher admitted that she was not all that fimiliar with this learning disability that affects 10% of our population. We spend all this money on fancy buildings, and an endless list of sports and extra curricular activities. We have wonderful teachers retiring because that can't put up with all of the crap, and we have teachers that need to retire because the are burned out, but we can't get rid of them. Where do I have to move to get my children a great education? "
How about this? wrote on Apr 28, 2006 11:21 AM:
" I was thinking the the other day "What if we totally switch things around?" Rather than forcing young children to attend school we make it more like a exclusive club. Any child can attend but they must show that they want to be there and willing to learn. If they misbehave, send them home (for the day, week, month, etc. depending on what they did/record). While writing this, I realize parents won't like this because if their children misbehave then they'll have to watch them (heaven forbid parents taking responsibility for their kids), so we could build temporary holding much like jails. The kids could sit in a cell until their parents came to pick them up. "
Unions II wrote on Apr 28, 2006 10:48 AM:
" The public doesn't get mad at the Autoworkers Union, because they have the choice to buy an expensive car or a foreign car assembled somewhere that doesn't have to pay high wages and benefits. They get mad at the teacher's union because their choices are limited. Government funds education. Taxes fund education. You could send you kid to private school but then you pay tuition. The teachers get lower wages and Benes and the Bosses/Institution gets the money. What if education was funded by a sales tax instead of properety tax? "
I'm a teacher too wrote on Apr 28, 2006 10:42 AM:
" Why do teachers feel the need to come on and state about all the extra hours they work. Be more efficient and get home. You chose a great profession with great family friendly hours, take advantage.
And quit being scared of parents, they are partners not adversaries "
the death of civility... wrote on Apr 28, 2006 10:34 AM:
" The saddest part of this "discussion" is the inability many people have to engage in discussion/debate/dialogue without resorting to petty insults and gross generalizations. Taxpayers, please realize that you do hire and fire teachers by proxy via administrators hired and fired by the elected school board. If you would like more input, you should run for the school board. If people agree with your views, they will vote for you; if they do not, they will vote for another candidate. Thanks Mr. Stoker for your dedication to teaching me about representative democracy. I am now doing the same for my students. "
Unions wrote on Apr 28, 2006 9:09 AM:
" I think the public is really mad at the teacher's union. Not necessarily teachers. I agree that unions protect the bad and the good. I think the unions are sometimes too sucessful. Look at the auto industry. The pay of an auto worker is much higher then the national average. BUT I'm not about to trust my bosses to look after my best interest. The only people making "livable" money at Wal-Mart are the people in distribution. Not in the store selling stuff. I could see my livable wage slide downward in a hurry if someone wasn't looking after me. Then I would be forced to leave the job I love. "
Let Me Correct Myself wrote on Apr 28, 2006 8:34 AM:
" I know,I know,It's NO better,not,know better. "
TO:TO:CHIP D 4-28-06 6:28 A.M. wrote on Apr 28, 2006 8:33 AM:
" You are know better than Chip,if you feel the need to keep blaming the parents. Every situation is different!!! Some good teachers,some good parents,some bad teachers,some bad parents,some good students,some bad students. Instead of BLAMING people,why not hook up the bad with the good,and work together??? "
TO:CHIP D wrote on Apr 28, 2006 8:29 AM:
" Guess AGAIN! The people,(teachers and parents) writing on here,are/were affected by/involved in the system. My/our taxes also pay for the teachers that teach OUR kids,so,you need to back off on a subject you have NO experience with/first hand knowledge of. Go watch re-runs of BRETT in his tight pants. You stated on this another page,and this must be YOUR expertise!!! "
tb wrote on Apr 28, 2006 8:14 AM:
" Mediocre=Unions
A union mentality does not generate or motivate excellence. Granted there are a few who will not let this average-ness creep into their being but they are the exception. Ask anyone how many teachers had an impact on their lives throughout their years of education. You’ll need only one hand.
There is no accountability. Reward is based on years of service not quality.
"
Can't feed the kids with with 'atta boys' wrote on Apr 28, 2006 7:56 AM:
" I was looking for a discussion on performance based pay for teachers. Not whether or not it was a good idea. Sure it sounds good, but how would a performance system work? My fear is that the pay I use to feed my family would be tied to whether a student decides to learn or not (You can't force kids to learn. Even on your best days) Or my pay would be in the hands of an administrator or a group of teachers that have a nonscientific / biased idea of what good teaching is. "
To: Chip D. wrote on Apr 28, 2006 6:58 AM:
" Obviously if we are reading this, we are reading a newspaper (granted, it is online). To blame teachers for kids being lazy, that is just dumb. Teachers don't let students sit at home and play video games, watch t.v., play on the internet, etc. Don't they usually do that at home? "
re:re teacher haters wrote on Apr 28, 2006 5:51 AM:
" They are mostly typos you jerk, and like the vast majority of these right wing educator bashers, you mistake the tree for the forest.You are lucky you didn't have me for a teacher because I actually ask kids to think rather then puke up useless facts.I will think about you this summer.Have a nice day. "
Jebediah wrote on Apr 28, 2006 2:31 AM:
" First of all, Chip, if you blame the teachers for kids' attention spans, then I cannot even begin to reason with you.
There are good teachers, and there bad teachers, just like there are good students, and bad students, and sometimes no amount-of support,of good teachers and of involved parents is going to make a student want to learn. Education needs to be a support system from teachers, administrators, and from parents, through a committed open dialogue with which the student's educational progress and needs are discussed. Teachers need to be able to connect to their students, and they need to be able to deal with whatever situation is thrown at them. To blame the teachers, is to blame the parents, is to blame the system. . .
When you point your finger at somebody, there are 3 fingers pointing back. "
Holmen School Board member round 2 wrote on Apr 28, 2006 12:49 AM:
" Last year more than 50% of our teaching staff spent their summer "vacation" taking graduate courses, working on school related projects such as curriculum studies or teaching summer school so the idea that teachers only work 180 days of the year is outdated and shows ignorance. As a professional when I go to a workshop or recieve training it is considered part of my normal work day and all costs are picked up by my employer - teachers have to pay to attend these classes and are not compensated for their time. "
Proud Holmen School board member wrote on Apr 28, 2006 12:47 AM:
" Research shows that the quality of the teacher in the classroom affects student learning more than any other factor - class size etc. I believe that this is why Holmen students continually exceed state test averages - and out-perform many of the area schools. Yes - there are teachers who have shorfalls - but this true of any profession - how the administration responds to these circumstances is the difference between a good school and a great school. "
Mr. Sena wrote on Apr 27, 2006 11:47 PM:
" I think that the La Crosse Tribune needs to reconsider allowing commentary pages on its website. There are too many personal insults and childish arguments - especially on this particular commentary board. You people should be ashamed of yourselves. "
I teach wrote on Apr 27, 2006 7:55 PM:
" I have a child in the school district and "yes" have questioned, to myself, about how good or bad his teachers are. Like all the parents, we all want the best for our children, best teachers, best schools, towns, coaches, etc. But we do not live in a utopia. Just like the real world, our children WILL run into good and bad teachers, coaches, policeman, businessmen, neighbors...etc. We cannot protect them from it, all we can do is teach them how to deal with those type of people. I know there are bad teachers out there. It seems like we have to accept the good with the bad, appreciate the good, and tell them that, and talk to the bad about your concerns. It would really be nice to work together, I know it is possible, because along with the bad parents, there are good. "
Chip D wrote on Apr 27, 2006 5:54 PM:
" It doesn't matter if I have kids or not. My taxes pay for your kids to go to school. I'm guessing the majority of people who write in here are unemployed and ignorant. When is the last time any of you have watched the news or read a newspaper? Kids today are lazy and have the attention spans of a diseased rabbit. This I blame on todays teachers. "
Science and Math wrote on Apr 27, 2006 4:44 PM:
" I think that American students need to study more math and science to understand the modern world--but I don't think teachers bear the sole reponsibility of pushing kids in that direction. We the parents, relative, neighbors should pitch in. "
Thorn wrote on Apr 27, 2006 4:22 PM:
" It's not the teachers; it's the system that produces the teachers. Get rid of the Union Dues, NEA, duplicate certifications, "feel-good" activities, etc. Get back to the basics, let the teachers do their work in a way that works best for them. I would LOVE to see how much LAX county spends in adminstrivia for every tax dollar that goes to education; I would guess it is MORE than 50 cents on the dollar. "
RE:RE: TEACHER HATERS wrote on Apr 27, 2006 2:49 PM:
" Hope you don't teach spelling! I'm glad you were'nt my teacher.At least they could (spell). "
Blackjack lists good teachers wrote on Apr 27, 2006 2:49 PM:
" Here's a list of good teachers I had in public school (they are in no particular order):
Mr. Blackbourn-Who got me started on my obsession with history.
Mr. Sauer- Who retained me on the debate team despite 3 "incidents".
Ms. Voyles-Who actually had us do large class projects in teams-like you do in the adult world.
Mr. Montee- Who actually made himself available for assistance with different projects.
Mrs. Carlson-Who had us read a bunch of books and be accountable for it.
And many other teachers that work hard every day pushing and prodding their students to succeed.
If you can read this message, thank a teacher.
If you are reading this in English, thank a veteran. "
TO:CHIP wrote on Apr 27, 2006 2:47 PM:
" In your case, the ONLY thing high,is your head,because it's in the clouds!!! "
Reply to Chip D... wrote on Apr 27, 2006 1:32 PM:
" You stated you have higher intelligence than most, yet you state people need guidance from "an educated person with high morales such as myself."...first of all it would be HIGH MORALS, not morales (check the dictionary). Second you profess to be a woman hater, and a child hater...and since I read these columns often I know you have proudly professed to be gay. "High Moral" people are not full of hate, contempt and pride and arrogance. I guess we can be thankful you are gay, as we don't have to worry about you beating your wife (who may have been a teacher) and don't have to worry about you bringing children into the world.
"
re:teacher haters wrote on Apr 27, 2006 12:38 PM:
" For 24 years I have come to school at least an hour before contract time to be available to kids for tutoring or to just provide a safe space. For 18 years I aso taught summer school, advised after school groups, and coached at the varisty level( for little to no monmey and all the guff I could take). Whether you like it or not, kids and families are in trouble, and folks like you think the answer is to bash teachers and pile on the stress, and at the same time perhaps find away to take away my health insurance.You will get what you pay for, and unfortunately the kids will suffer.Many who could teach already have turned away. Nice job "
From "The Webmaster" wrote on Apr 27, 2006 12:22 PM:
" The ability for all of you to comment in this area is the result of GREAT teachers in this area! A special thanks to my teachers at Summit Elementary School, Logan Middle, Logan High, UW-L & WWTC. Keep up the great work, there's no need to defend yourselves here! - Chad La Fleur (Regional Webmaster for the River Valley Newspaper Group.) "
Hey Jeff wrote on Apr 27, 2006 12:03 PM:
" I don't think I could trust you to give a fair wage. I don't know why? I just have a feeling. There is a reason why congress votes for their own raises.
"
I'm a teacher wrote on Apr 27, 2006 11:50 AM:
" My contract states that I TEACH 6 periods of the day. The other 2 periods are to have a study hall in my room, work on my lesson plans for classes, correct papers, help students that have their study halls at that time, meet with parents, attend meetings, etc, etc, etc. I do not get to just sit around sipping a cup of coffee. I utilize every minute of my day. "
I vote jeff for secretary of education wrote on Apr 27, 2006 11:30 AM:
" I got it! We'll tie the teachers up in our basements. We'll let them out during the day to solve the world's problems. We'll stuff 'em back down into the basement at night with their papers to correct. Don't pay 'em. Nah! Better idea. Lets fire all of the teachers. They are all worthless anyway. Ya! 'Jeff' can teach the kids monday. 'Why' gets tuesday. Teaching is real d*mn easy right Jeff. If you had a clue what you were talking about you might start making sence. Have another one Jeff. "
Chip D wrote on Apr 27, 2006 11:25 AM:
" I come here because I'm smarter than the majority of you. You people need guidance from an educated person with high morales such as myself. "
Jeff wrote on Apr 27, 2006 10:53 AM:
" So, I’m a teacher claims their contract requires them to be at their job 8 hrs per-day, and they only need to work for 6 periods or 4.5 hrs of that day. Sounds like a contract for the underachievers. What does your mission statement say? My guess it should be something like… Provide quality education for the easily educated students, between the hours of 7:30 AM and 3:30 PM, but not to exceed 6 Periods per-day. The fact is there are alcoholic parents, drug addict parents, uneducated parents, and so on. It’s not the kids of these parents fault! It’s the educators of our government schools job to educate them. It’s their only chance. So get rid of tenure and these silly contracts. Show some improvement, and people will be happy to compensate you for your effort. "
Teacher wrote on Apr 27, 2006 10:26 AM:
" I get to school at 6:30, teach 7 out of 8 periods (because we are understaffed), then coach in the fall, winter, and spring, get home until 7 on an early night and midnight on a game night. When I get home, I finish whatever work I didn't get done in school. I have no personal life, ask my wife. I'm not complaining, it comes with the job. However to say that I only work a 180 days a year is wrong. I volunteer time for kids to come to the gym/weight room in the summer because parents and kids expect it to be open. I have to take classes during the summer. I have to constantly readjust my curriculum in the summer to meet new standards and testing. That's just what my life is like, but I'm not the only teacher that has a schedule like this.
"
America's Poor Education System for 50 Years wrote on Apr 27, 2006 10:23 AM:
" *Steady economy. U.S. has over 20% of the worlds wealth. Space travel. Technological superiority. High literacy rates. Good lifespan. A respectable democracy. Beat the commies, beat the facists. Mayo Hospital. powerful military. We even systems to take care of the poor and elderly. I don't think a bunch of dummies comming from a broken educational system could do this stuff. Yea. I think we're doing o.k. buck up nay sayers. USA USA USA. WHOOOOO! "
bad everything wrote on Apr 27, 2006 10:17 AM:
" There are bad cops, there are bad judges, there are bad politicians, there are bad lawyers, there are bad doctors, bad Insurance agents, bad priests, bad newspaper editors, if you want better teachers you need to offer more money to interest more people into the profession. "
TO:CHIP D wrote on Apr 27, 2006 10:00 AM:
" If you have no children,and don't like women,what are you doing commenting on here? "
30 years later wrote on Apr 27, 2006 9:35 AM:
" To this day, some of us still talk about the lousy teachers we had in high school. (And not all of them were bad, but there was quite a bunch who were not very good.) And do you know what people say as a closing comment? "They [the bad teachers we had] are still there." "
My experience as a student wrote on Apr 27, 2006 9:29 AM:
" Most of my teachers in K-12 were excellent, yet some were mediocre and some downright terrible. No other teachers complained about the poor ones, out of fear of losing their own jobs. The only way the poor ones actually "moved on" was when they retired. Something has to be built in the system where teachers are better evaluated and where there is more training available to them. And this training should consist of "how to teach" and "how students learn" and NOT as much on content material. "
there are "good teachers" at public schools? wrote on Apr 27, 2006 9:23 AM:
" Haw! That's a good one. "
TO:JEALOUSY wrote on Apr 27, 2006 9:14 AM:
" That may be the case with some parents,but,don't come down on us ALL.We have had good/bad experiences with teachers.(more good). I did not work outside the home,until,both kids were in school.Both my kids could read and write,had respect for others, before kindergarten,and the teachers were very appreciative of this. We went to every parent/teacher conference,even visited school,out of the blue,to talk to the teachers.We kept the line of COMMUNICATION open! If there was a concern,we listened to the teachers and they listened to us,and WE WORKED TOGETHER,to resolve it. The kids saw us do this,and it helped alot! There was never "your on the teachers side","I hate my teacher",etc. When I did go back to work,we,NEVER, thought of the teacher as a "BABYSITTER".We knewwe were leaving our children in good hands,to get a good education. FINGERS need to stop being pointed at,both,the parents/teachers.WORK TOGETHER!,and the CHILD will NOT suffer! "
ADHD/From a Doctor wrote on Apr 27, 2006 8:36 AM:
" How much are the teachers educated on this? It seems most of the time it is swept under the carpet,because,thats easier to do than help/get help IN SCHOOL for the child.I have seen that alot of children can do well without the meds.,if,the teacher/school and parents can work TOGETHER!!! I would love to not prescribe meds.,but, sometimes its necessary.To often,its just simpily,lack of education on ADHD.An ADHD child,can function just fine in a normal classroom,with proper attention to it.There are alot,more than realized,adults that are ADHD,and do just fine in this world.It is not something that will ever go away(like a cold),but,can be lived with and the person with it can lead a happy life.Maybe,more education on ADHD in the schools/public needs to be done. "
TO: A BUNCH OF GARBAGE wrote on Apr 27, 2006 8:26 AM:
" What you are saying is a bunch of GARBAGE! My daughter,is ADHD,and WAS on meds.(she is now the 22 year old nanny,read the 2 Have You Ever comments frome 4-26).WE DID NOT RELY ON THE MEDS,NOR WAS SHE EVER!!!! OVER MEDICATED!!! She was closely monitored,and raised in a structured home. I,also mentioned,I have EDUCATED knowledge on this matter.Have you ever lived with or raised an ADHD child? Are you ADHD? How much do you ACTUALLY know about it? We were also very active with the school and teachers,both grade and high school.I was a volunteer,teacher assistant,not only in my daughters class,but,others that had ADHD kids in them. There were times,it seemed a uphill battle,with the school/staff to understand ADHD,but,it did get better.So,don't bash us on our use of meds.,or ADHD. "
Rebut for Chip D wrote on Apr 27, 2006 8:24 AM:
" It seems as though you do not like women or children. Your point is lost. "
Summertime and the livin' is easy... wrote on Apr 27, 2006 6:02 AM:
" I spend my wonderful teacher vacation in a factory. The idea of a summer off is a myth unless your a veteran teacher. "
A bunch of garbage wrote on Apr 27, 2006 3:10 AM:
" Kids being on so many meds! That is the easy way out for a parent. The kid also! Too many quick fixes and "I dont want to take responsiblity" in this world. Where did this AHAADAAADDDAAAAAAAAHHHHHH crap come from? I'll tell you, a parent looking for a quick or any answer and a Doctor ready to get on with the next patient. It's all a lie. Kids don't need this much medication. Come on! Go over seas, many, thousands, millions of kids overseas do just fine with-out being all wacked out on drugs. Time to pull up the boot laces and take responsibility for your children. Stop running to the doctor everytime lil' Jimmy sneezes. Babies and clowns! "
Blackjack's Rebuttal wrote on Apr 26, 2006 10:04 PM:
" I believe my statements were misunderstood, when I said that I was surprised by how much they had learned I was quoting the author Mark Twain. In reality, when I came home, my parents knew that they had done their job. Yes my parents knew what an ungrateful kid they had, but I grew up. When I come home and see the people who were my childhood friends and how they are faring in adulthood I thank God and my dad for forcing me to take responsibility for my actions so that I would grow out of my teenage boy, I'm angry at my father syndrome, and become a productive member of society. Other kids aren't so lucky. "
Should have paid attention wrote on Apr 26, 2006 9:36 PM:
" To the two that bashed the teacher. It would be "you are or you're" not paid enough. Also the word is grateful not greatful. You should have paid attention in school. Most teachers deserve more. There are always a few bad apples but these people are teaching the future generation. For those of you too selfish or too short-sighted to see it that is a very important job. "
Chip D wrote on Apr 26, 2006 9:36 PM:
" The majority of teachers in the Lacrosse area aren't worth minimum wage. I don't have any children of my own because I don't like women, but I can tell by the uneducated brats running around that we need a change. Kids are lazy also, ask a kid to mow your lawn for $5 and see what you get "
TO: BLACKJACK wrote on Apr 26, 2006 8:33 PM:
" You are ABSOLUTELY right. Those against you are uneducated. Teachers are spending way too much time babysitting, and parents don't seem to be making things any easier. I'm only 19 and have come to realize this. Many of my friends parents blame their children's bad grades or behaviors on the teacher. I think what's even worse than dealing with misbehaving kids, is dealing with their ignorant parents! "
jealousy wrote on Apr 26, 2006 8:27 PM:
" I just realized whats behind all the teacher bashing. Jealousy. Teachers know more about your kids than you do. Almost all teachers love going to work in the morning (if they don't they find a job in industry making twice as much. And last but not least teachers get the same vacations as their children, including 3 beautiful summer months to enjoy this beautiful area. You should have choosen this career path. "
Tess wrote on Apr 26, 2006 8:06 PM:
" Thanks taxpayers. As a teacher I work hard and do my best to educate your children. You reward me with good pay and excellent benefits. I work only 180 days a year and have the summer off to pursue my passon, travel. I am really lucky to have such a great job. I am very much in favor of incentives but I feel it will not work as long as there is a teacher's union that protects the bad teachers from getting fired but does not reward the good teachers. I would much prefer to be paid based upon my performance, rather than my education and years of service, which by themselves, do not qualify anyone as a good teacher.
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TO:BLACKJACK wrote on Apr 26, 2006 4:47 PM:
" I hope your parents learned what a ungrateful, "JACKA$#" they had for a kid.Sounds like that'd be the only thing they needed to learn. You use the word hate.Good word to use in relation to discribing your feelings towards your parents. What a low life,creep you are!!! "
TO:BLACKJACK wrote on Apr 26, 2006 4:40 PM:
" YOU DESERVE A "ROYAL FLUSH" WHEN IT COMES TO PARENTING! I'M THANKFUL YOUR NOT MY PARENT! "
I'm a teacher, still wrote on Apr 26, 2006 4:39 PM:
" I never once said I wasn't happy with my pay or that I should get more. I go in these extra hours because I care. My students know I love my job. I just wanted to point out that many people don't understand what teachers are dealing with. In a business, you can get assistants, extentions on projects, etc. if you are busy. We typically don't (elementary teachers tend to get more parental help, not high school). I also never said people in business have it easy, just don't complain about my job, I don't complain about yours. (I did leave a job I didn't like and found one that I love.) "
Blackjack wrote on Apr 26, 2006 4:14 PM:
" Parents, do something to help take some of the work off of the teacher. If you're kid misbehaves. Always take the teacher's side, no matter what. Right or wrong if your kid knows that they will be taking responsibility for whatever happened they will grow into better adults and the teacher can spend their time teaching and not babysitting. They will also realize that was what was best. You say you don't want your kid to hate you? Being a parent is not a popularity contest. Having children is the easiest thing in the world (all you need is someone of the opposite sex) But being a parent is the biggest responsibility there is. My parents were this way, and I hated them. I thought they were idiots, then I left home and came back to visit 6 months later, and it surprised me by how much they had learned. "
TO:I'M A TEACHER wrote on Apr 26, 2006 4:00 PM:
" We own our own business and have kids in school.We are up at 5:30,to get ready for work,get the kids up,fed,dressed,on the bus etc. We are to work by 7:30 A.M. and work until 5:30 P.M. The kids come to our place of business,and do their homework,and we go home together. Then we make dinner,do laundry,clean house ( husband and kids help),have some quality time with the kids and maybe,just maybe,were in bed by 11:00-11:15P.M.I am not whining,but,greatful to have such a full,successful,happy,rewarding life. If I did'nt like it,I'd sure as H#@L change it. "
TO:I'M A TEACHER wrote on Apr 26, 2006 3:52 PM:
" WHINE,WHINE,WHINE!!! If you feel your not paid enough or stretched to far,then find another profession. Your attitude will reflect on the students and your teaching ability some day soon,if,not already! "
WHY wrote on Apr 26, 2006 3:48 PM:
" Why's it seem that blame is put only on the student or parents if the child isn't learning? When did the teacher become a saint? There are good /bad teachers,students,parents but, in this story/comments,the teachers are not to blame and don't want any of the blame. When I went to school,we had 21-24 students in class,the teacher had no problem helping us all.We had,better schedules than now.Usually no more than 45 minutes per class, to 30 mins.of class, 15 for help. We had upto 7 classes per day,and that was nice,you never got bored.The schedule was worked out that homework was given,in 3 classes a day. I always had time for homework(did as soon as I got home)& free time. Maybe,instead of uping the amount of credits to graduate,every year,the emphasis should be on quality,not quanity. "
I'm a teacher wrote on Apr 26, 2006 3:42 PM:
" I teach 7 out of 8 periods (contract says I only teach 6), I come in at 6:30 am to help students and I stay until 5:00 pm to help more students (contract is 7:30-3:30). I agree that SOME teachers need improvement but many of you make this sound like the majority is bad. Many teachers are in the same boat as me. We are being stretched beyond our contracts and are given 25-30 students at a time (many with special needs). I would love to have an extra pair of hands, come and see what we do, be a volunteer. I do my best to tailor my lessons to different learning styles but can you give 30 students the attention they need in a 45 minute period? How many of you will work beyond your contract without extra money, on a daily basis? "
BACK WHEN wrote on Apr 26, 2006 3:29 PM:
" Back when I was in school,there were 2 teachers for each grade,1-8,and we as kids,every year prayed that we would get MR.or MRS.so&so,and NOT MR.or MRS.so&so. Why? Because,it was well known which teachers were the better ones to have. The ones that actually taught you something,could have fun doing so,made learning fun,got down on you ONLY when need be,and you could really see they enjoyed their job. The ones that made you feel good about yourself,were there to help you when you needed it,did'nt single anyone out,gave you a sense of satisfaction for an assignment or test you did well,treated us all as equals,did not belittle those who had trouble learning/understanding what was taught and did'nt mind giving time to help them. Why did any of that have to change? "
to: Jeff wrote on Apr 26, 2006 2:14 PM:
" I'm the one who wrote at 12:29pm. I work at a bank and I was on my lunch break. I was defending teachers because I have seen the classroom in which they work. I know I couldn't do it and that I can expect them to "fix" every single problem in their classroom. What makes you an expert to say that our educators are terrible? My son's teachers have done great things for him, but I also realized that I can make a difference at home. "
Wow wrote on Apr 26, 2006 1:47 PM:
" Everybody is an expert on education. With all of these experts its pretty amazing that we have an education problem. My dad is a Vietnam Vet. Infantry. I could read all the books in the world on Vietnam. But I would never know what he goes through unless I was in war too. I think it is pretty cocky to think you have all the answers. with out the experience "
Jeff wrote on Apr 26, 2006 1:31 PM:
" I am so sick and tried of the “can’t do” attitude displayed by educator’s, like the one who responded at 12:29 PM. Quit your whining, and do your job. Or get a different one. But remember, we in the private sector expect results, and you will be held accountable.
I would gladly pay way-way more in taxes for a better education system. But I want to get my money’s worth. Right now educators are absolutely terrible! And have been for a long time. The good students will always be good. It’s other ones that need attention. So quite griping, and making excuses why can’t, and concentrate on how you can!
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concerned parent wrote on Apr 26, 2006 1:30 PM:
" I did control all 6 of my children at home, their elders were Mr. & Mrs. unless otherwise requested. The first time I was called to school he was in kindergarted, playing with a car during story time(the rooms toy) I took it away. she was not allowed to, and he heard her tell me that she could not take it away. The stage was set "
HAVE YOU EVER AGAIN wrote on Apr 26, 2006 1:14 PM:
" Yes,my daughter was on meds,along with alot of structure in our HOME.As said before,with ALL,the proof,presented to the school and the knowledge( offered to speak, FREE,at school,to staff,students and parents,to further the acceptance of ADHD)I have ,they still refused to recognize that she was NOT a bad student,just one with a learning disability. There could have been homework modification,more 1-1,etc.but, since she did'nt have a physical disibility,they could care less.It was easier to label as a "BAD" child,and lose her in the system,than to help her.Now,22, a nanny,making great money, is very good at her job. It's a good job for her,as from the way she was treated,she knows how not to treat others,the family knows the kids are in great hands. One good thing came out of her school experience,she learned everyone is different,has different needs,and should'nt be put down or lost. "
concerned parent wrote on Apr 26, 2006 12:48 PM:
" sorry oh boy..but i have been blaming myself for alot in regards to my son, I had him reading and writing before he started school, the teacher told me i taught him wrong, the system had me put him on ritalin 5 years later a counciler said he did not need it. With my son I worked with the teachers, with my daughters I fought when it came to meds with better results, Each teacher has a different way of teaching It is up to the kids to learn. Each kid different. Parents and teachers find what works "
Training of Teachers wrote on Apr 26, 2006 12:46 PM:
" Believe it or not, some teachers (college professors included) have not truly been taught how to teach and do not know about the psychology of teaching or learning. That's why we have such poor teachers at times -- they are being hired for their expertise in a certain discipline or their experience in coaching -- not because they are such great classroom teachers. (Two of my favorite classes in college? Communication in the Classroom and Models of Teaching, taught by Dr. William "Bill" Timpson at Colorado State University -- a former middle school math teacher.) "
J.D. wrote on Apr 26, 2006 12:39 PM:
" In response to the comments on my input, I did not say the students shouldn't have to work hard. All 3 of my kids would agree that the best teacher they ever had was one that made them work very hard. He also showed that he cared about them. He was strict on discipline, and the students learned to respect him and work hard. In return they learned a great deal in his class. He was a fun teacher when they were willing to cooperate with him. I feel that if students evaluated teachers, they would be able to know what works and what doesn't to teach the material. In other careers evaluations are very helpful. Why not in teaching?
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TO: Concerned parent wrote on Apr 26, 2006 12:29 PM:
" I am a parent too and I work hard at my job. Did you ever stop and think that you had 3 children to deal with on a daily basis. Teachers deal with anywhere from 15 students to 100 students every single day. I'm sorry, the teachers can't always spend their entire day working with your child and doing everything for your child. There are 50 other students that have the same needs as your son, some worse. I have a boy with similar problems as you son. I don't blame the teachers. I see how much they have to deal with. I try to control my 1 son at home, his teacher has to control, teach, and guide 20. "
concerned parent wrote on Apr 26, 2006 11:53 AM:
" Because my son was getting away with things at school that he didn't get away with at home he thought he was boss. At home he still listened except for school work...I spent 1 day aweek at his school, he liked it I helped him with schoolwork at home, after the ritalin he got in trouble at home also. A counsiler told me I expeted to much from a 7 year old, he had to pick up after himself. Another counciler told me it was lack of discipline "
Oh boy wrote on Apr 26, 2006 11:42 AM:
" Those comments were not for you, in fact your post was not up when I wrote mine. Fact is parents will point a finger at a teacher, but usually by the time a student gets to school there demeanor is already established. Maybe blame daycares, babysitters, or delivery room nurses, but god forbid the parents have anything to do with a childs education. "
concerned parent wrote on Apr 26, 2006 11:25 AM:
" If oh boy is referring to me, just to let you know...by the time my son was in 8th grade a teacher noticed anger....towards his teachers and us. Iwas also then informed that I didn't have to put him on ritalin. after I took him off he started to do better in school, but he already lost a lot of education....the ritalin was making him jittery and he didn't like it(we had tried different dosages) That is also why my daughters were not medicated.I DID LEARN "
TO:CONCERNED PARENT wrote on Apr 26, 2006 11:03 AM:
" Could you please explain yourself a little better? "
TO:TO WHOA wrote on Apr 26, 2006 11:01 AM:
" YES!!!! My children have study halls and they DO utilize them!!!The A's are well EARNED BY THEM!!!!! Don't you judge them,as not being responsible,just because they are kids.They work hard to maintain there grades and we are very proud of them. Maybe,if they were taught better,they would'nt have to spend so much time figuring out how to do the parts of homework that they were NOT taught how to do!!! "
To: WHOA! wrote on Apr 26, 2006 10:29 AM:
" I'm glad your kids work their butts off. Should teachers just give them A's? C's are 'average' grades, an A is to be earned and not given. Your kid's probably have homework because they don't have study halls or don't utilize them properly. "
oh boy wrote on Apr 26, 2006 10:24 AM:
" You elect a school board to be your representatives, they hire a Principal and Supertindentant, then they hire what they think is a good Teacher. Lay off people. Students need to be exposed to all types of teachers. every teacher has different methods that work in their classroom. It is a thankless profession and the fact is, parents are not teaching their children to have any respect. Spend time teaching your kids yourself and help the teachers instead of fight them "
concerned parent wrote on Apr 26, 2006 10:01 AM:
" I had 3 kids in resource ADD HAHD my son went on medication my 2 daugters didn't.
With my son we were always fighting.
I would go to school and pick up his homework, bring it home, force him to do it. His atitude was he didn't have to do it because they could not force him. The teachers said he was right. he finally graduated. My 2 daughters, no medication one graduated with a 3.29 gpa. the last 2 years of school she took 2 honers classes. the 2nd daughter graduates this year with a 3.34 gpa. Same teachers, I told the teachers that my son needed a atitude ajustment. He needed to know who was boss, he was smart enough to know who was boss and it wasn't the teachers......WHO IS TO BLAME. "
WHOA!!! wrote on Apr 26, 2006 9:24 AM:
" Now your going to bash parents for the teachers not doing their job??? I have sat endless nights with my children,watching them STRUGGLE,to do the ENDLESS AMOUNTS of homework given.Both of my children have above 3.5 GPA.S,but they've had to work their butts off to maintain these grades.They also have part-time jobs,help around the house,and have some-what of a social life. The problem here is,when doing the said homework,and struggling,it makes me wonder,how well WERE they taught? It's NOT EVERY teacher,but,it always seems to be the same ones. I have a degree,also,and I have tried to help them,but,usually,it's all greek to me.So,all-in-all,we need to stop pointing the finger,(at the teachers,students,and parents),and start using the whole hand,and everyone work together. "
HAVE YOU EVER? wrote on Apr 26, 2006 9:12 AM:
" Have you ever tried to talk to the "BAD"teacher,the principal,the guidance counsler etc.,when your child has come home and has had a problem with the "BAD" teacher? My daughter (graduated),has A.D.H.D., and was sooooooooooooooooooooo,LOST, in the system.NO-ONE wanted to deal with or help her. WHY? Because she was a "BAD" student,and was told BY THE TEACHERS,(notice the plural?),she was dumb and stupid. I supplied the school with documented doctor reports, she was on meds.,WE saw a counsler,I was on the board for C.H.A.D.D.,and yet they would not accept it or take the time to help her.Actually,in 12 years of school,finally in her senior year,ONE,I say,ONE,teacher stood up for her and helped her to graduate.NOT ALL teachers are bad,but,they are not always good. "
New Teacher wrote on Apr 26, 2006 7:28 AM:
" I'm a recent college grad and a new teacher. I teach in an elective area. How would you compare my teaching abilities to that of a core teacher? Does putting in over 12 hours a day (which I do) make me a good teacher? Does teaching students with special needs (about 50% of my students have ADD, ADHD, seizures, abusive home lifes, drug/drinking problems, etc) make me a good teacher? I have my students evaluate me at the end of each quarter. I do my best to incorporate what they ask of me and what parents ask of me. However, parents dont seem to want to take a part in thier childs high school career. I think some of these things need to be considered as well as specific criteria to be met for a teacher to be considered good/bad. "
Proud to be a teacher wrote on Apr 26, 2006 7:25 AM:
" Yes, I am a teacher. Somehow because you own property that gives you license to tell the school system how to operate? That's interesting, what do we need principals and superintendents for then. We could save the taxpayers a lot of money, and with THOUSANDS of people making decisions, I'm sure it will work out just great. Ladies and gentlemen, this just in: look at the scores on state and national tests- WI is in the top 3 in all major categories. The system ISN'T BROKEN! "
Snob! wrote on Apr 26, 2006 7:20 AM:
" Who as a taxpayer is qualified? Anyone who pays taxes you snob! Who do you think you are? You have a degree. Big deal. Good for you! I have a degree as well, I pay taxes. Teachers have a hard job, I agree. They get blamed for stuff that PARENTS need/should be responsible for. Children are a reflection of their parents. I'm sorry to say, it's a very bad rflection. However, just because you are a teacher does not mean the rest of us can not make a decision on how our taxes are being spent. You knew going into teaching, the pay stinks. So stop crying, being a snob and go teach! "
Phone/cable tech wrote on Apr 26, 2006 7:12 AM:
" I have been a communications tech for 23+ years. Started in the Navy. I say reward the good techs and punish the bad ones! Trash collectors. Reward the good ones, punish the bad ones. The mechanic, reward the good ones, punish the bad ones. Give ME A BREAK!! If you are hired and do what you are hired for, well than you are DOING your job! The reward is getting paid you flippin" idiots! If someone goes above and beyond, big deal. Who cares? We are suppose to be striving for excellence in whatever we do, whoever you are! Get a life and stop hugging the trees. Sissies. "
Frank wrote on Apr 26, 2006 6:49 AM:
" *I worked in a factory for seven years before I was a teacher. There were people there that had a poor work ethic. I got paid the same as them. I got my raises as scheduled. Got my pay based on the hours I put in. I could rely on this knowledge that the money I get was expected.
*A "performance" based pay system would rely on the opinion of someone that may or may not have my same values. What if they judge my effectiveness based on what they like, instead of what is effective teaching? I do not want put my financial security in the hands of someone who has a disputable opinion. Not everyone you run into today is a fair or just person. What if that person decides how much money you take home to your family. "
Former H.S. Student wrote on Apr 26, 2006 3:40 AM:
" Some of the best teachers I have ever had were from K-6 grades and college. Some of the worst teachers I have ever had were mostly in middle school and some in high school. Some of these poor teachers knew content but did not know how to teach or did not know the student population they were working with. Others, quite frankly, did not know content. I question why some of these poor teachers were hired in the first place and why they were kept around once their poor teaching skills became apparent. No other teachers or administrative staff would stand up to them. "
special ed. teacher wrote on Apr 25, 2006 10:23 PM:
" The blame is always on the teacher, ...how about children who have many areas of support, but still fail, (because they do not want to do any work) What about the parents? Very few parents are willing to take the time to do homework with their children, but it is the teachers fault. How about the kids who do not care, and just guess at answers on the state tests? Due to the raise in health care I have not had a raise in 3 years. The success of children today does not just rely on the teacher. "
Frank wrote on Apr 25, 2006 8:52 PM:
" I am tired now. I got up today at 4:30. I worked with my students today. I made hundreds of decisions and interactions today. I hope I did everything correctly. Like you folks said, I'll hope I made a positive difference today. I just ran a sports meet. It is now 8:PM. I looked after the students. I want them to do well. I want them to leave school well equiped. I'll go home. I'll talk to my wife for a while. I'll go to bed. I feel happy teaching. Watching students achieve is wonderful. I'd bet if you knew me you'd think I am a good enough guy that was committed to his job and to self improvement. (here come the angry posts) Give me your specific criteria on a good teacher and i'll follow it. "
RE:RE:TAXPAYERS wrote on Apr 25, 2006 6:42 PM:
" You must be a teacher! Remember the tax payer pays a large portion your wages!!!!! We would more than likely,look over the "TRUE" facts and base our decision on that.What right do you have to judge taxpayers??? We all hold different jobs,even as teachers! "
Jane O wrote on Apr 25, 2006 6:07 PM:
" As a parent of 5 I have definitely seen the difference between a good teacher and bad teacher. As a tax payer there should be a way too weed out the bad as with any job. The good teacher leaves a lasting impression and a desire in a child to learn and grow within one's self. A bad teacher is critical, insensitive to others learning styles/abilities and is often more concerned with his or her own self. "
re:taxpayers wrote on Apr 25, 2006 5:06 PM:
" What would qualify you as an evaluator of the job a teacher does in the clasroom? Are you trained? Did you have to go to college at considerable expense for five years? Are you forced to take 6 graduate credits every five years at your expense as teachers are just to keep your job? I just want to know, other then paying taxes, what qualifies you to fire teachers or evalaute them? I pay taxes but I am not allowed to design miltary policies etc or fire that fool Rumsfeld am I, so why you? "
Union wrote on Apr 25, 2006 4:48 PM:
" Get rid of the union. Better yet, privatize education. Then, schools will have to perform. If schools have to compete for students, then they will have to improve the quality of education. Make it free-market education. I work and earn incentives based on sales. Maybe teachers would work the same way. It could be about marketing. The teacher that can market and train the best students gets the biggest bonus check. Then again, many people want to be teachers because it's "secure" or--to quote the old saying--"those who can't, teach." "
TO:FRANK wrote on Apr 25, 2006 4:20 PM:
" Who's the WHINER??? Looks like you!!! "
TO:FRANK wrote on Apr 25, 2006 4:17 PM:
" Why don't you go run for president? You seem to be able to talk big, think you have the only opinion that counts,think you know everything,and expect everyone to follow.It should'nt matter,how the teacher acts or teaches,when it comes to discipline!Maybe pay should be based on qualification,schooling, experience and/or job history,just like any other job. You screw up your out. "
Frank RE: Guidelines wrote on Apr 25, 2006 3:33 PM:
" *Are the guidelines you are referring to about how a teacher should act or about the teacher's job performance? Obviously both are important. A poor code of conduct is terrible and that person's behavior should be dealt with severely. But what about job performance and pay?
*I get very tired when I read generalizations and anecdotal stories about the terrible, 'feeding from the trough' teachers. Why does this society choose not to dig to the root of problems and figure out how to fix them? What are the details and complexities of these issues? I guess it is much easier to sit on the side a whine. Let's attack problems like social security, education funding, and health care costs instead of wasting time hammering on people. "
TAXPAYERS wrote on Apr 25, 2006 3:05 PM:
" TAXPAYERS should do the hiring and firing.We pay for the schools/teachers,even when we DON'T have any kids in school.They seem willing to take our money,how about our advice??? "
TIME wrote on Apr 25, 2006 3:03 PM:
" It sure does'nt seem to take very much time to expell,discipline or repremand a "BAD" student. There are both GOOD/BAD teachers and students,and both (teachers and students) should be dealt with in a fair,timely manner. "
Guidelines wrote on Apr 25, 2006 3:00 PM:
" Why does there not seem to be any guidelines for whats accecptable teaching? There are,however,student handbooks,rules,etc.,that students are expected to follow,and if they don't,they are disciplined,usually,after the TIME has been taken to review the situaton. So,if time is an issue,a guideline handbook should be made,along with the consequences,and stood by. Also,the "student is always wrong/teachers always right"theory,should be tossed out the window. There have been situations where,a teacher just plain does not like a kid and will do anything to get them out of their class. Also,it seems to be a forgotten fact,that by allowing "bad" teachers to remain is only hurting the child,they are truly the ones who suffer. "
mateo wrote on Apr 25, 2006 1:57 PM:
" I have had the misfortune of having to fire two teachers in my career, and I can tell you it is an arduous and time consuming process. I would have rather spent that time working to make those teachers perform better, but that just wasn't the case. Good teachers are a necessary component to good education, just as good parents and good administrators are. "
Re:George wrote on Apr 25, 2006 12:52 PM:
" I am interested in how you would compare two teachers as far as success when one etaches only college prep classes and the other has many students with learning disabilities and other issues as well.What is success? "
Frank wrote on Apr 25, 2006 12:50 PM:
" *I respect J.D. J.D. is trying to attack the problem.
*I think one day is not enough though. This is a difficult problem that needs a lot of thought.
*Teachers are not monks. The majority are hard working people who want to do the best job they can from the resources they are given.
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re:JD wrote on Apr 25, 2006 12:48 PM:
" Evalauted on the last day? By students? Gee it seems to me the most liked teachers are often those who let kids do little or nothing. If they get bad grades, the teacher did a poor job? So, if all get good grades and like me, I am a good teacher? I remember my good teachers they were tough and made me mind, and I didn't always get good grades. "
J.D. wrote on Apr 25, 2006 12:05 PM:
" Teachers could be evaluated by students and parents the last day of class. This would be valuable information to learn from and make improvements. Looking at grades the classes get under that teacher might be helpful. If grades are consistently bad, the teaching style isn't working. If a teacher cares about students understanding the material being taught, the student will try harder. More should be done to make sure the needs of the students are being met. Some teachers are excellent, while others act like it is an inconvenience to be there. For the teachers who are doing a great job, and really care about the students, thank you very much for your time and effort. For those who aren't doing the job they were hired for, why are you there??? Maybe you are in the wrong field of work. "
Boz wrote on Apr 25, 2006 12:00 PM:
" Where is all this support when you're told your taxes will be rising? How often do we hear complaints that it is because of "teachers' salaries? The real problem is the state and federal mandates placed on educators -- No Child Left Behind, 100% Classroom Integration -- that's what's driving up the cost. Visit your local school district and find out how many "administrators" are on the payroll for this program and that ...
Teaching is for the most part a "thankless" profession (along with police and firefighting work). When will we get our priorities straight and HELP our teachers do their jobs better? Instead of being antagonistic, ask your kid's teacher "how can I help you do your job better?" Better support of the teachers from the community equals better teachers. "
Frank wrote on Apr 25, 2006 11:19 AM:
" *I would like to know how to fairly and accurately assess what a teacher does. Then I would like to know how one would accurately apply a dollar amount to that effort.
*Is it based on the opinion of another person on what a good teacher is? Is it based on the test scores of students?
*Humans are very complex. They are not 100%predictable.
*It is easy to measure sales #'S, boxes moved, and items produced.
*So again... how do you attach teacher pay to performance? "
AJ - Phoenix, AZ wrote on Apr 25, 2006 11:06 AM:
" I agree with Holmen Mother. Good teachers inspire children. A bad teacher can have an effect on them for the rest of their life. Even now that my children are grown and out of college, they still talk about good teachers with respect and gratitude. They also have not forgotten their "bad" teachers and neither have I. I hope teachers realize the effect they have on our children. More should be done to weed out the bad. "
Mr. Sena wrote on Apr 25, 2006 8:59 AM:
" In over 25 years out in the working world, I can safely say that someone getting fired for incompetence is one of the rarest occurrences that I have ever seen. Employers, be they school officials or retail managers, don't want to take the time and trouble to actually make the decision. They don't want to pay unemployment compensation. They don't want to take the time to investigate the alleged incompetent. They don't want to fire their "buddies". Unless an employee does something that really attracts attention (like violence, theft, or other illegal activities), employers are usually quite content to ignore the problem. They don't have the courage to do anything about it, and THAT is the real problem. "
Bad and Good wrote on Apr 25, 2006 8:54 AM:
" Frank, are you one of the bad teachers? It sure sounds like you're defensive! "
Teacher quality does not correlate to politics wrote on Apr 25, 2006 8:43 AM:
" Why bring politics into this discussion at all, except to stir things up unnecessarily? The fact that both Democrats and Republicans care about teacher quality across the board should not be a surprise to anyone. I get the impression that the editorialist is trying to imply that Democrats don't care about teacher quality. "
Frank wrote on Apr 25, 2006 8:21 AM:
" How do you define good? How do you define bad? How do you quantify that and then apply a fair market value to it? "
holmen mother wrote on Apr 25, 2006 8:08 AM:
" good teachers produce great kids! A bad teacher can affect a child for life. It should be a goal of ours to weed out the bad and reward the good "
George wrote on Apr 25, 2006 8:00 AM:
" Just like any other job in America, teachers should be held accountable for the quality of their work. They should be paid well for being a good teacher, and terminated (after an opportunity to correct their performance) for being a bad teacher. I don't buy the union's argument regarding getting a fair evaluation of their performance. That is no different than any employee in America wondering if he/she will get a fair evaluation. In the end, with a pay for performance system, the good teachers would make a lot more money, and the bad teachers would find another line of work. "
Frank wrote on Apr 25, 2006 7:01 AM:
" I wish we worked this hard to hold government officials, CEO's, and script writers for TV sitcoms accountable. I'd like to see a study done there.
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