Thorn wrote on Jul 28, 2006 12:11 PM:
" Read it and weep all you gov't do-gooders; 30% drop in business/profits:
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_4104991
"Bar owners watching profits vanish" due to
"State smoking ban"
QUOTES:"My business went down at least 30 percent" since the ban went into effect July 1, said Ben, who owns Tarantula Billiards Cafe in downtown Denver. "This is total garbage!"
Ben said his business, at 14th and Champa streets, runs on a 10 percent profit margin and he has to cut staff and take other measures to survive."Nobody here ever complained about smoking," Ben said. "It's all the do-gooders."
He isn't alone in his plight.Kyle Jewett, who co-owns Kyle's Saloon & Eatery with her husband, said business is "scary slow" in the wake of the ban.Jewett used the same figure - 30 percent - to describe the falloff in business at her saloon, 3989 Ulster St. "
to for lse wrote on Jul 24, 2006 4:42 PM:
" How about going to Middleton you geek and lets see ever heard of a cab!!!! "
AGAIN..........2 words wrote on Jul 24, 2006 3:25 PM:
" BUSINESS OWNER!!!! "
To: TO: BAD ARGUMENT wrote on Jul 24, 2006 12:12 PM:
" Your attempt to wrap this issue with the Bill of Rights fails to account for the opening and Section. 8 of the Constitution, which establishes the power of Congress to “provide for the common Defence and general Welfare”. Nobody has the right to knowingly and deliberately expose others to hazards like secondhand smoke. Our government not only has the power to regulate smoking, it also has the duty and it is well past time to act. "
To criminal wrote on Jul 24, 2006 12:02 PM:
" Using your logic, if I have tuberculosis and want to hang out in public, I can. If my being there spreads the disease to others, it is then my personal responsibility and theirs; never mind the taxpayers will end up taking care of us and our healthcare costs. This is absurd! The only difference between communicable diseases like TB and secondhand smoke is the speed with exposure impacts the victims. "
Criminal Part Deux wrote on Jul 24, 2006 11:51 AM:
" I don't mind you smoking in the bar as long as you don't mind me masturbating in the bar.
Maybe a little regulation isn't such a bad thing after all. "
Concerned Parent wrote on Jul 24, 2006 10:13 AM:
" I wish all establishments were smoke free. I have young children and it's frustrating when you are in a restaurant and have to walk through the smoky bar to get to the restrooms. Also my children love to bowl - but very rarely do we go. I do not want them breathing in secondhand smoke. Its a shame they can't do an activity they enjoy because of other people smoking. "
Criminal wrote on Jul 24, 2006 9:52 AM:
" I agree that smoking is bad for everyone involved. OK? But the fact is that when we just hand over someone else's right to decide how their business should/should not be run, we chip away at EVERYONE'S freedoms. When we beseech the government to mandate collective behavior, we move further away from individual responsibility. If you want a smoke free bar, OPEN ONE UP. Heck, you don't spend the money on smokes, you're ahead of the rest of us. Pony up. Or, go to the bar you'd LIKE to frequent, say, right when they open (less people in there smoking) and ask them to go smoke free and bring a list of people who will come if they do. Handle this yourselves and stop begging the government to live your life FOR YOU. "
Mikey wrote on Jul 24, 2006 9:44 AM:
" Pearl was right. This is a worker health issue, not a smoker's rights issue. If the bar has an employee, then the bar should be smoke free. When the MSP airport went smoke free, when restaurants went smoke free, when workplaces went smoke free, the same doom sayers were whining. They still can smoke, they just can't puke their smoke on the rest of us. Now smoke free is the norm, and bars should not be any different. Some day we will be amazed that any indoor smoking was allowed anywhere. "
Mikey wrote on Jul 24, 2006 9:42 AM:
" Pearl was right. This is a worker health issue, not a smoker's rights issue. I suggest that any bars that don't hire non-owners be allowed to be smoking or non as the owner wishes. Delivery people can have a non-smoking place to deliver the beer and liquor and other stuff. However, if you have an employee, then the bar should be smoke free. When the MSP airport went smoke free, when restaurants went smoke free, when workplaces went smoke free the same doom sayers were whining. Now it isthe norm. Bars should not be any different. "
J.R. to: Smoked to avoid second hand wrote on Jul 24, 2006 9:25 AM:
" Ok, that may just be the stupidest comment I have ever heard in my life. How would starting smoking possibly be better than second hand smoke inhalation which you would be getting anyway in-between your drags of FIRST HAND smoke. As to the bar issue, I can’t understand why someone hasn’t taken it upon themselves to open a smoke free bar in La Crosse. Being the only one of it’s kind in the town, it would be PACKED with those of us who would prefer not to be around the smoke. "
smoked to avoid second hand wrote on Jul 24, 2006 8:27 AM:
" As a former bartender, I found myself actually start smoking while working in a smoky environment to avoid inhaling second hand smoke. There are many cities to look to as examples of how to or not to compromise in this situation. Many establishments already offer a "smoking lounge" to accomodate both smokers and nonsmokers. If we look to other varieties of businesses, "smoking lounges" were established successfully decades ago: airports, restaurants, coffee shops, college dormitories, and hotels are just a quick few. Quit complaining just to see your words in print and start thinking outside of the box. We all know that the change is on the horizon; I think business owners' time would be better spent working to craft the plan rather than getting taken by it. "
To: It's About Time wrote on Jul 24, 2006 5:25 AM:
" you heard that Brads Desk about the peeing section in a pool too huh? Great argument, NOT! "
to to Irish wrote on Jul 24, 2006 4:39 AM:
"
"You could put the only bars in a Wisconsin town in the basement of a slaughterhouse, take out the air conditioning, ban smoking, and the place would be full of people drinking in it 24/7. NOT the best example." "
For: to lse wrote on Jul 23, 2006 10:16 PM:
" So people are driving to Sun Prairie or Deforest to hit bars? That far away from Madison just to smoke huh? Well, lets talk to the highway patrol about this and catch them when they leave the bars. DOnt worry, I'll call them. and thanks.. more drunk SMOKERS off our roads. "
Don't stop now wrote on Jul 23, 2006 10:11 PM:
" If we want to make a difference as a society, Govenor Doyle should pass a law not to allow the sale of cigarrettes and other tobacco products in Wisconsin. "
? wrote on Jul 23, 2006 9:53 PM:
" Hey Terry when are they going stop all you can eat buffets? "
Doesn't matter wrote on Jul 23, 2006 9:00 PM:
" Smoking and secondhand smoke kills. This is a public health issue plain and simple. Smoking should be banned in all public places and the ban strictly enforced. The other option is to charge a license fee based on an estimate to provide health care for the future smoking victims that allowing smoking in a public place will produce. "
to lse: wrote on Jul 23, 2006 7:54 PM:
" Have you ever talked to a bar owner in mad town, they are losing bus. to the bars outside the city limits everyday. "
To Rochester wrote on Jul 23, 2006 7:05 PM:
" More like Rochester!, most people try to get out of Rochester unless you’re an immigrant or a wan a be millionaire. I lived there for 2 years and worked for a large company.
The people in the outskirts are more real that any mayo/ibm want a be will ever become.
If you are so arrogant to think that just because you have a piece of paper that makes you smart, good luck. I am sure the Plumbers, Roofers, Electricians,etc.. love to gouge you SMART people because you can’t change a light bulb, calk a vent or change a faucet seal. Back to smoking, I don’t smoke, If you don’t like it, leave it.
"
Rochester, MN wrote on Jul 23, 2006 5:16 PM:
" Rochester, MN: approximately 95% of the establishments are smoke-free and they are busy. Rochester also has a highly educated community with a higher than average number of people with degrees and advanced degrees. La Crosse has smoking everywhere, except the Cavalier, and a lower than average population with college degrees. Hmmm...do you see a correlation? I do. Rochester people are smart. La Crosse people are ignorant. Simple. Let's be more like Rochester! "
to Irish wrote on Jul 23, 2006 4:40 PM:
" You could put the only bars in an Irish town in the basement of a slaughterhouse, take out the air conditioning, ban smoking, and the place would be full of people drinking in it 24/7. NOT the best example. "
Still choke'n wrote on Jul 23, 2006 1:23 PM:
" Having spent my fair amount of time in bars and being a non smoker I will say it is not when people are smoking that they bother me. It is when they just hold their cigarette or leave it in the ashtray and over half of it burns away into the air beween puffs. That is the rude part of it that really irks me. "
No brainer wrote on Jul 23, 2006 12:44 PM:
" Most people do not smoke. Survey's show most smokers agree with smoking bans and that most smokers would like to quit but are unable. Most of these objections to a smoking ban are coming from a very vocal minority. This is a shame. "
Thorn wrote on Jul 23, 2006 11:22 AM:
" The comparisons between LaCrosse and other areas with smoke free bars are irrelevant. LaCrosse is a unique economic "model" in it's own right. Just because smoke free bars "survive" elsewhere has no meaning (statistically) as to whether or not the same will apply in LAX. Like I said earlier, run a "statistically controlled" smoke free night experiment, AND pay the tavern owners if it fails. "
Last call wrote on Jul 23, 2006 9:37 AM:
" ....please don't tell me that you actually believe that a bar is poorly run because it closes after become smoke free.....That's not what I said. I said if your bar shuts down ONLY because of going smoke-free, then it was probably poorly run to start with. There are many non-smokers who enjoy throwing back a few. If you've only catered to smokers in your establishment, then you've missed a large market of potential customers. A wise owner would adapt. For Gazemo: Been there, done that, took early retirement.
"
Last call wrote on Jul 23, 2006 8:32 AM:
" >>"please don't tell me that you actually believe that a bar is poorly run because it closes after become smoke free. " "
Gazemo wrote on Jul 23, 2006 8:22 AM:
" RE ; Last Call
You seem to be very bright. ha, ha. I challenge you to first of all, come up with enough funds or guts to begin / develop your own business.
Second of all. . . maintain cash flow and your ( what I think ) will be a non - existing customer base. CONGRATULATIONS . . .YOU deserve to ride the short bus. "
Fire them up! wrote on Jul 23, 2006 1:01 AM:
" I am a NON- SMOKER & I think people should be able to smoke where they want. Except inside Hospitals & airplanes. I get a kick out of everyone complaining about “I don’t like to go to bars and smell like smoke.” If you don’t like it, don’t go to the bar. As far as the argument about the employees of smoking establishments need to be protected. That is bunk also. If you don’t like to work in that environment get another job. It’s employment at will. Like I said, I don’t smoke, I am more than happy to spend my money downtown and the mom & pop bars. It’s all about choice. Love it or leave it. It boils down to, the wishes of the few rule the many. Next thing you know they will try and ban alcohol. Oops, they tried that one already. "
Smoke Free Or DIE wrote on Jul 23, 2006 12:10 AM:
" Listen....I live in Manhattan. They put in no-smoking laws a decade ago....New York bars make tons of money.
I lived in Milano. No population smokes more than the Italians (except Greeks and Belgians)....Italy put in the 'no smoke' law and restaurants and bars are still packed.
Smoking kills....then again, so does living. Smokers are drug addicted lab mice....victims of big Tobaccoes' manipulation of the Tobacco leaf. You are a SUCKER if you smoke tobaccoe. - Brian G Smith "
re: last call wrote on Jul 22, 2006 11:52 PM:
" please don't tell me that you actually believe that a bar is poorly run because it closes after become smoke free. "
I have a right to smoke wrote on Jul 22, 2006 11:23 PM:
" no matter who has to breath it .. hack hack.. ooooh I just coughed something up. You should see it. Eeewwwww... Gross. "
Last call wrote on Jul 22, 2006 10:35 PM:
" Sorry....but if your bar shuts down only because of a smoke-free ordinance, it was probably poorly run to begin with. "
A non smoker beer drinker clean air fan wrote on Jul 22, 2006 7:51 PM:
" With the smokers arguement, we should also allow smoking back in every business right? I mean if bars have the RIGHT to allow smoking, lets allow smoking in all nursing homes, the mall, Chucky Cheese, movie theaters, and every place thats privately owned. Actually, the hospitals are pretty much privately owned so lets bring back smoking to them. I'd love to see all you smokers or your familys that are hooked up to oxygen and sit and blow smoke into your face.I would start smoking just to do that while your in the worst pain....Are your kids in a private school? I hope the teachers can stand over them and blow smoke in their faces while helping with math. They should be used to it at your house anyway. "
Irish wrote on Jul 22, 2006 6:45 PM:
" I spent last August in ireland, and the pubs there are all smokefree. I can't tell you what a treat it was to be able to sit and enjoy a drink without gagging on smoke. it didn't seem to hurt the trade any either. I'm all for no more smoking in any public place. It's gross trying to go into a place where a bunch of smokers are congregated outside the door I have to pass through. "
RD wrote on Jul 22, 2006 4:41 PM:
" Do any of you anti-ban people travel? I'm just curious. I've been to many places that don't allow smoking in bars, and people are friendly, having a good time, and the bars are packed. Smokers don't seem to have a problem with going outside to have a cigarette. Taverns in Minneapolis, Madison, Chicago, California, and New York are all alive and thriving. If a few bars should close in La Crosse, it's not as if La Crosse doesn't have too many bars as it is. Without government intervention, barowners would never choose to make their bars smokefree, just as car manufacturers would never install some safety features if they weren't required. "
Smoker & Bar Keeper wrote on Jul 22, 2006 3:31 PM:
" these do-gooders will never be happy look at the hospitals they have been smoke free inside their buildings for years and smoking was allowed outside like they are proposing for the taverns once they get that then it will be they have to walk past smokers outside so they want that stopped just like at the hospitals and colleges. I propose that since they are nonsmokers and have such good lungs when they walked past someone outside of an establishment smoking they should hold their breath for a few seconds as a walked by. Like it has been said many times before if you don’t like a place for any reason stay away, if you want to run a business buy it and then you can make the rules if you do not own it shut up and what the owner decide what is and "
Madbars wrote on Jul 22, 2006 2:21 PM:
" Poole's? on the far east side. big sports bar went non smoking before the ban and went back to smoking before the ban to make some money. Don't remember names but do see the news. Mad Tavern assoc reports that all sales are down on average. 2-3 or so have said that their business has increased, out of several hundred? "
Patriot for government less nights wrote on Jul 22, 2006 2:19 PM:
" Legal activities such as smoking, done by private citizens on and within private property such as a bar, shouldn't have the the government at any level trying to restrict their freedom of activity. The government should only restrict things that are illegal, and they should do that on public and private property. Only the proprietor has the right and authority to make restrictions further than that on his/her property. End of debate.
"
Duhhh.. Bars empty in madison wrote on Jul 22, 2006 2:10 PM:
" Away from state street. At least one bar on the edge just closed, Many others business is way down. There was a no smoking bar on the west side before the ban but it couldn't make it without the smoke. I quit smoking. Other smokers do not bother me. If you don't want to be in a smoke filled bar don't go. As others have said "open your own, see how long you last" in a town where drinking is more than a hobby, it's a sport. "
Darrel F- Hold your breath! wrote on Jul 22, 2006 12:55 PM:
" I'm getting ready to torch the stars and stripes again. "
Criminal wrote on Jul 22, 2006 12:16 PM:
" great. one MORE reason for people to not go downtown to support live music. Most non smoking bar dwellers are also not very heavy drinkers. Bars are in the business of peddling liquor and beer. PERIOD. Bars are NOT in business to cater to the bistro chic wannabes. You're taking food out of my kid's mouth with this idea as well as continuing the slow death of live music in La Crosee. And no, I can't go play on the sidewalk, there's ordinances against that, too. "
LSE wrote on Jul 22, 2006 10:16 AM:
" >"Madison bars are down 45% since the smoking ban was started and I was in Madison 3 weeks ago and the bars were empty.
Please show where you got this data from. Which bars? What time? Names and facts, please. "
LSE wrote on Jul 22, 2006 9:55 AM:
" I'm a non-smoker but I'm not anti-smoking. I'm always intrigued by smokers' arguments about "their rights" and how defensive they get about smoke-free issues. Yes, you have the right to smoke. It doesn't mean you automatically have the right to do it anywhere you please. I have the right to raise pigs. It doesn't mean I have the right to raise them anywhere I please. "
I'll quit when wrote on Jul 22, 2006 9:48 AM:
" they pry the cigarette from my cold dead fingers. "
Duhhhh wrote on Jul 22, 2006 9:46 AM:
" The college kids also went home. "
A non smoker beer drinker clean air fan wrote on Jul 22, 2006 9:46 AM:
" See, this is where most smokers just dont get it. Every letter that bashes on non smokers, brings in an arguement that every non smoker is a raging drunk that will be killing themselves with the amount of alcohol they will be drinking anyway. Now, try to comprehend this smokers. Maybe not all non smokers drink, get sloshed. And maybe,just maybe, non smokers want to go see entertainment or friends or an event or have a couple drinks without smelling like smokers. Wild theory I know, but can you get that concept through your tar soaked heads??? "
CA transplant wrote on Jul 22, 2006 9:44 AM:
" linluv wrote:
>>You will find that if smoking is banned from bars, taverns etc that there will be a drop in income for owners. "
WRONG!!!! wrote on Jul 22, 2006 8:49 AM:
" Madison bars are down 45% since the smoking ban was started and I was in Madison 3 weeks ago and the bars were empty. The only interesting thing that happened in Madison was they tried unsucessfully to RECALL the mayor over this, but I think this would help johnsrud into early retirement if this happens here. P.S. DONT BLAME ME I VOTED FOR DEAK!!!! "
I smoke... wrote on Jul 22, 2006 7:35 AM:
" ...and I like it that smoking is banned in bars here in Minneapolis. It really isn't a big deal to go outside to have one and most clubs that I go to have set up areas for indulging. I see it as an employee health issue--Why should bar workers be treated any differently from office workers or other employees? Smoking isn't allowed in other workplaces and should be banned in bars as well. "
Puff the Magic Dragon wrote on Jul 22, 2006 7:09 AM:
" I have come up with a name for the promotion for the first bar that does a smokeless night. Let's call it "CLOSED".
Then we'll have a smoking only night and call it "DEATH NIGHT". We'll have Camel sponsor it and give away all the free cigs...and free beer from City Brewery as long as you have a cig lit up. Then, they will all die from lung cancer...and we won't have to deal with it anymore.
Then all of us non-smokers can laugh and laugh and have a beer together and celebrate.
"
Gazemo wrote on Jul 22, 2006 6:59 AM:
" A fantastic proposal. Eight people who have never seen a bar, might enjoy a smoke free night. I also propose a spending limit of $10.00 per visit at Walmart.
Get a clue ! "
Smoking is bad for you wrote on Jul 22, 2006 4:31 AM:
" What a hoot! You do-gooders think spewing your anti-facts are doing any good? (no) Keep your thoughts to yourself and go pray. "
Until cigs are illegal.... wrote on Jul 22, 2006 4:28 AM:
" shut............up!!!!!!!! Such whiners make me sick. Open a nonsmoking bar, then you can do what the heck you want, ok? ban ban ban ban = dumb "
Ventilation wrote on Jul 22, 2006 4:26 AM:
" Install better ventillation, and air filters, problem solved. Quit the banning mentality, please! If you don't want to smell like smoke, don't go get drunk at the bar, what hipocrites. "
Hmmmmm lets try wrote on Jul 22, 2006 1:38 AM:
" A near beer night where no alcohol is sold in taverns...sounds pretty dumb because alcohol and taverns go together just as taverns and smoking does "
What next? wrote on Jul 22, 2006 1:36 AM:
" The hospitals will be going smoke free and now tavern are being asked to do the same...well all any of this kind of stuff does is drive the smoker to the closest legal place to smoke like sidewalks or streets.Those that seem to want to stop it are just slowly pushing the smokers to differant grounds. How long do you think it will be before the smokers really start pushing back? "
Challenge wrote on Jul 22, 2006 12:32 AM:
" Why don't you bar owners grow a set and just say "no" to any ordinance? Do the fat cats at city hall pay your rent, your bills, etc? Do you force anyone to go into your bars? People are cowards nowadays. A law is passed, and people complain on these boards, but they just go along with it anyway. If everyone always "just went along with it" we would still be under Englands rule. These debates are useless-when all is said and done, it is your bar-do what you want. But, if you allow smoking, you won't see me there. Why would I want my clothes to stink for days afterwards? "
Smoker wrote on Jul 22, 2006 12:26 AM:
" The fact is most smokers think smoking should be outlawed in public places. They know the dangers, would love to quit but can't. It is very hard for an ex-smoker to be around smokers and not want to light up. "
Water down th drinks to wrote on Jul 22, 2006 12:20 AM:
" The Bodega is really far out awsome in that it cares enough to use pint glasses that are really in fact a whole bunch less than a pint. this is good for customers health and livers and stuff.do the same with smokers "
military in the desert wrote on Jul 21, 2006 11:52 PM:
" Where is the Government going to stop at? When i come home home from being overseas I wont be able to go to a bar and have a smoke with a beer? It's up to the owners of the establishments to make there own decisions. I would bet money that that 90% of the people who complain don't or wouldn't go out to a bar anyway. Government trying to regulate has gone way too far and has to stop somewhere. "
Poison wrote on Jul 21, 2006 10:26 PM:
" Don't any of you smokers believe the scientific proofs that second-hand smoke is a health problem? Why would anyone want to make that up - especially with big tobacco's pressure?
SO - you can have your beer and not endanger me, but your cigarette smoke is unavoidable - and it's a hazard.
WHINING = wanting the rest of the world to bow down to you and your poisonous smoke.
"
It's about time. wrote on Jul 21, 2006 9:50 PM:
" Having a smoking section in a bar/restaurant is like having a peeing section in a swimming pool. Anybody smokes, everybody smokes. "
linluv wrote on Jul 21, 2006 9:35 PM:
" Smoking and drinking go hand in hand. Whether its beer and cigarettes or scotch and cigars,it has always been going on. You will find that if smoking is banned from bars, taverns etc that there will be a drop in income for owners. That means have to let employees go. Then we have alot of hardworking people with no jobs. Then what do you propose to give those people that cant feed their families? Think about it. "
non smoker wrote on Jul 21, 2006 9:34 PM:
" I do not smoke its the way of life "
I Love It wrote on Jul 21, 2006 9:30 PM:
" I LOVE to read the Trib while I'm smoking. Sometimes I have trouble turning the pages because I have a cigarrette in both hands just a puff'n away in a big cloud of smoke. Sometimes it is even hard to see through that big cloud of smoke. I've even almost started myself and my precious Trib on fire YIKES! I guess that will be banned next too darn it anyway! "
Be careful what you wish for wrote on Jul 21, 2006 9:21 PM:
" Smokers pay a large portion of taxes on each pack of cigarettes to help pay for education, roads, healthcare and more. Non smokers should be thankful that we pay more so they don't have to. I'd like to see non smokers stand up and say that they will pay more of their portion to educate their own kids, pay their equal share for the roads they drive on, and stop supplementing the healthcare with taxes from the people they want to control and tell what to do. Wouldn't that be something! Paying more taxes would just give you non smokers more to whine about. So be thankful that some of us do smoke and get off your high horse. If I didn't smoke you would have less money in your pocket. "
To: Sick of this town wrote on Jul 21, 2006 8:37 PM:
" How can you compare legal requirements such as smoke alarms with something that is legal such as smoking? That is a horrible comparison!!! Oh, but that's right, you graduated from high school, you are way too intelligent for this discussion between all of us red-necks. If we are too far below you and your intelligence why are you even reading this or posting anything? I think alot of the opinions and comments weather or not I agree with them are pretty good. Nice to have an open forum to be able to voice our OPINIONS!!! POST ON GANG! (sorry about that caps police :o) ) "
Go somewhere else wrote on Jul 21, 2006 8:26 PM:
" When we start telling bar owners what they can do in their own establishment that they own, pay taxes on, pay the bills for then we should let them tell us what to do in our own homes that we own, pay taxes for, and pay the bills. Also you don't ever hear smokers complain about non smoking establishments. If we CHOOSE to go there then we know we cannot smoke and respect that rule of the business owner. We have no problem going outside, you don't hear us complain and whine about it. "
Thorn wrote on Jul 21, 2006 7:25 PM:
" OUCH!!! "
Non smoker at 27 wrote on Jul 21, 2006 6:31 PM:
" Smoking is a privilege not a right. I do not go out to bars because of the smoke. I choose to spend my money elsewhere. I have a severe allergy to smoke & have had to deal with moving from a non smoking duplex (my home of 6 years) because of my smoking neighbors my landlord REFUSED to deal with. Because of my allergy, I for the most part can’t go to bars or anywhere there is enclosed smoking. I can’t really even stay with my parents because of their smoking. Try explaining that to your mom. I wash myself/clothes after I am even around it for a little bit. I have to. If you choose to endanger your health do it in your home and don’t endanger mine. Smoke free!
"
TO:THORN wrote on Jul 21, 2006 6:17 PM:
" That's what you are,"A THORN IN THE SIDE (BACKSIDE)OF SOCIETY! "
Thorn wrote on Jul 21, 2006 5:25 PM:
" So Mr. Bliss...what is your "measure" of "success/failure"? I say put your $100,000 grant where your mouth is. Set up a statistically sound "Designed Experiment" over a period of say 6 Months. If the local tavern owners "lose" money (on average)for the "SmokeLess Nights", then the Health Board pays back the Tavern Owners thier loss from the grant money. If the Taverns/Bars actually make money then you have earned the taxpayers respect in spending your grant (i.e. taxpayer) money responsibly by proving your point. "
It wouldn't stop there! wrote on Jul 21, 2006 4:57 PM:
" If the smokers had to go outside to smoke and then go back in the bar the non-smoking "CONTROL FREAKS" would complain about the after smell! Then we would here about walking through the smoke outside!....shall i go on? "
moss wrote on Jul 21, 2006 4:53 PM:
" this issue should be just like the helmet law,if you want to go without one so be it,if you don't like second hand smoke don't go there,pretty frigin simple solution isn't it. but the government will p$%s away $100,000.tax payers money to figure this out. i just figured it out so pay me(lol) "
Sick of ThisTown wrote on Jul 21, 2006 4:33 PM:
" Nice to see all the uneducated people of this town came out to post once again. I really think all of your opinions are so factual it is amazing. Once again this shows the barley passing high school town of La Crosse, WI is filled with small I.Q. people that can't debate a topic with good reasoning. "Owners Business Choice" well do business owners have the right to not have fire escapes? smoke alarms, handicap accessible features, cleanliness just to name a few. Sorry people but it is not up to you. There will be a day in this society that your horrible opinions will not be heard and then you will realize how pathetic you sound. "
sledge wrote on Jul 21, 2006 4:23 PM:
" they should ban smoking in bars and in front of bars so you do not have to walk past 20 people smoking. there would be allot more people who would probably go to a bar or pop into a bar for a drink while you are out or after you had dinner or went to a movie. because then you would not go home smelling like an ash tray. "
138 young adults focus group opinions? wrote on Jul 21, 2006 4:10 PM:
" It says the health dept and WTC conducted focus groups of 18-24 year olds for their opinions. Since it is illegal for 18-19-&20 year olds to be in a bar these results can't be taken seriously.
Let the business owner determine how to run their business-they're not forcing anyone to come to their bar. "
To Non-smoker wrote on Jul 21, 2006 4:01 PM:
" if you are so worried about dying from it and you know it happens, THEN STAY HOME, then you don't have tow orry about it, I don't think your tax dollars pay for the bar, the BAR OWNER pays for it! You pay for the place where you live so make the rules there, and not in a pace you don't work. "
So What wrote on Jul 21, 2006 3:59 PM:
" what's next? You can't esll alcohol at the bar? I am a non smoker, I hate smokey bars, I go out maybe 1 time ever 2 to 3 months, I know what bars are smoky, those are the bars I don't go to! What else should they regulate? No more rap music in bars becasue it sin't what most people listen to? Come on a bar can make whatever legal right it wants to and as far as I am concerned smoking is not illegal. "
YES ,PLEASE DO... wrote on Jul 21, 2006 3:56 PM:
" ...go to the Cavalier,seems to be alot of "OPEN",NON-SMOKING SEATS!!!! "
TO:RE TOM wrote on Jul 21, 2006 3:52 PM:
" It's probably not "BUSY OFTEN",because you can't smoke in there. "
sue wrote on Jul 21, 2006 3:52 PM:
" If you are so afraid of "second hand smoke" stay out of the bars. It should be up to the bar owner if they want to go nonsmoking. "
To RD wrote on Jul 21, 2006 3:51 PM:
" If it offends you so much, why don't you get your drink and go to the sidewalk so we don't have to here your noise pollution, then when you are done with your drink you can come back in and get another and go back to the sidewalk.
p.s. Don't forget to tip your bartenders well. "
TO:OPEN CHALLENGE wrote on Jul 21, 2006 3:51 PM:
" What does "AANOUCE" mean? "
CAVALIER wrote on Jul 21, 2006 3:50 PM:
" Nonsmokers can go to the Cavalier right now. Good martinis and a great atmosphere. I dont smoke and I attend bars that have plenty of smoke. The downtown bars are run on college students. If there was no college there wouldnt be bars downtown, period. College students will not stop going to bars because there is no smoking, I am a recent graduate here and I frequently visit Madison, and they don't have any problems. Smokers on here seem so angry. Relax guys, go outside, have a grit. "
TO: BAD ARGUMENT wrote on Jul 21, 2006 3:46 PM:
" No it's not the going outside fact,it's the rights of the business owner,being taken away. "
To open challenge wrote on Jul 21, 2006 3:46 PM:
" Maybe you should open one up so you can take the risk, and I bet your open challenge, that you would not spend enough money in this non smoking place to pay for the bartender for one night. "
Business Owner wrote on Jul 21, 2006 3:43 PM:
" As business owners,you (non-smokers) need to understand that we should be able to decide our own businesses fate,or buy us out and have it your way! How would you likw it if someone tried to control the business you own and pay for,not to much I'm sure.What is it going to take for you to get this through your heads???? "
All for it being smoke-free! wrote on Jul 21, 2006 3:42 PM:
" How will we know when the smokeless nights are? As soon as I find out when the smokefree nights are, my husband and I, as well as many of our friends will most likely show up. As it is right now, we do not frequent bars because they are smoky. To all the bar owners, you may GAIN business by going smoke-free! "
THEN LET... (to Ruthie and That Guy) wrote on Jul 21, 2006 3:41 PM:
" ... the "doctors and surgeon general",buy,their own bars and you all can go there! Ruthie,it's probably,because you people refuse to listen the fact that it should be left up to the business owner,and you could have your smoke free place and smokers could have their's. "That Guy" where did you get your statistics from??? Most are overweight women on a bar stool??? Give me a break! You must be a male shovinist pig! "
TO RUTHIE wrote on Jul 21, 2006 3:40 PM:
" Here we go, the cap police are watching so everyone watch it. Just because some people use caps doesn't mean they are yelling. Bars right now have the right to decide if they want to be smoke free and that is THEIR RIGHT, just like it would be,THEIR RIGHT not to serve you because you are the cap police. Read the content, we are not in school. "
Tired of Whiners wrote on Jul 21, 2006 3:34 PM:
" Reading all these comments complaining about smoke I bet the tavern owners in this city are just excited to get you people in their establishments. When the smokes gone I'm sure you'll find something else to whine about. "It's too dirty!, It's to dark!, It's too loud!" Once a whiner always a whiner. An easy solution is if you don't like it, don't go! "
RD wrote on Jul 21, 2006 3:27 PM:
" Maybe we should allow businessowners to buy slaves? After all, it's their business. "
Go somewhere else wrote on Jul 21, 2006 3:10 PM:
" It looks like all the non-smokers have plenty of choices - The Cavalier, Concordia Dance Hall, The Elite, "Cali" AKA California. Go there and stop bothering the smokers. It sounds like the problem isn't that non-smokers don't have a place to go or any choices, their problem is that they don't have enough control over everyone else that chooses to smoke or go to establishments that allows smoking. I guess it is ok for non-smokers to tell everyone else what to do and how to live their lives. If I want to ruin my lungs by smoking I will so back off and go somewhere else! Maybe that is why people smoke...to keep all of you non smokers away. "
bars wrote on Jul 21, 2006 2:45 PM:
" Next they will want the bars to go alcohol free... I feel that it's up to the business owners to do go smokefree after all it's there business. "
NOYB wrote on Jul 21, 2006 2:14 PM:
" Being under the influence of smoke does not cause accidents while driving. So what are you non-smokers doing in a bar anyway, taking a chance on your life and somebody else's twice.
Yeah, secondhand smoke is the worst, that's why I prefer to smoke instead of inhaling somebody else's. Get the drift!!!!!!! "
Non Smoker wrote on Jul 21, 2006 2:08 PM:
" In my opinion, this issue is about health risks, not just annoying smoke smell. If smoke just smelled bad, I could sympathize with the people who say things like "if you don't like it, don't go" and "it should be up to the owner". But that's just not true. I believe the surgeon general more than the cigarette companies on this one. The cigarette companies have a self-interest that outweighs their concern for the health of their customers AND the people their customers smoke around. Tobacco is a drug that not only kills people who smoke it, but also the people nearby -- and at that point it's not an inconvenience any more. "
That Guy wrote on Jul 21, 2006 2:07 PM:
" Not a bad Idea, since most smokers are over weight women it wouldn't be a bad idea for them to get off their bar stool and actually walk or roll outside to smoke, might make the rest of us healthier and some of you prettier.
"
re;Tom wrote on Jul 21, 2006 1:56 PM:
" You should also give the Elite a try, nice lounge area that doesn't appear to be busy often. "
RD wrote on Jul 21, 2006 1:39 PM:
" Those people who think they know what people should and shouldn't do have a funny name: doctors. We trust them when they tell us to lose weight or take a pill, why don't we trust them when they tell us to stop smoking? The alcohol/tobacco comparison is silly. Nobody is sharing the drink with the drunk at the bar when he has his eighth City Light. I'm sharing your cigarette when you smokers sit right next to me, or even across the restaurant from me. Send the smokers to the sidewalk when they "have" to smoke; they can come back in when they're done with their cigarette. Everyone ends up happy. "
"" wrote on Jul 21, 2006 1:37 PM:
" concordia dance hall used to be smoke free...I wonder if it still is, good dancing and alot of fun "
TO:BABS wrote on Jul 21, 2006 12:45 PM:
" Your obligation is to realize,that the BUSINESS OWNER, should have the right,to decide if THEY want to go smoke free or not. As said Many,MAny,MANy,MANY!!!!!!!!! times before,if their business fails,HOW is this YOUR problem???? There's NO DOUBT,if this was the way it was,EVERYONE,would have a place to go,be happy,and all this B.S. would STOP! "
Smoking doesn't bother me wrote on Jul 21, 2006 12:19 PM:
" If you're going to target smokers and have a smoke free night because you are offended. I'd like to advocate an ugly free night because these people are eye polluting. No ugly people allowed in the bars on those nights. You people know who you are. "
Simple History wrote on Jul 21, 2006 12:04 PM:
" Ultimately banning smoking in an establishment is up to the proprietor. Anti-tobacco crusaders realize you are fighting a losing battle. Several of our Founding Fathers attained their personal wealth by tobacco farming--much of this money would be used to fuel the early years of the Revolutionary War. Tobacco is in the blood of America. Anything short of adding tobacco to the Controlled Substances Act--which thanks to the constant cash flow from tobacco lobbyists to members of our government will never happen--is just useless posturing. "
FYI wrote on Jul 21, 2006 11:41 AM:
" I'm pretty sure the Cavalier is smoke free...to all those non-smokers who are interested. "
em wrote on Jul 21, 2006 11:38 AM:
" This whole smoke free issue is nothing more than trying to outlaw a legal product! The smoke free people have learned from prohibition that you can not do an out right ban on a legal product and are doing an end around a little at a time. I do not smoke but the intent is to get rid off all tobacco products. After that it will be alcohol. Remember the frog in the boiling water analogy. A little at a time and people will not notice. "
To: CA Transplant wrote on Jul 21, 2006 11:38 AM:
" Every bar located in the Mall of America. When they went smoke free all of those establishments went under. Just an example:) "
OPEN CHALLENGE wrote on Jul 21, 2006 11:31 AM:
" Be the first bar/club to aanouce you will be exclussively smoke free. You will win my buisness and support. "
Re Ironic wrote on Jul 21, 2006 11:30 AM:
" There is more to do in a bar than 'pickle your liver'. Not everyone goes to get drunk, there are those of us that can enjoy just a few drinks, some nice conversation, dancing, live bands, comedy nights, and dart and pool leagues. The problem being is that alot of people stay away from these activites because of the negative association with smoking in clubs, I do. I shouldn't have to ruin my health and my clothing just to enjoy these activites. "
Ruthie wrote on Jul 21, 2006 11:16 AM:
" Most of the posters here are trying to express their views in a civilized manner. But notice how the only one(s) who yell (the caps) and curse are the ones who think poisoning people is a God-given right? And of course anyone who would like to enjoy a night out without the poison is a "whiner." Makes you think said yellers are already a little affected by the smoke they so ardently defend. "
To Babs wrote on Jul 21, 2006 11:09 AM:
" Drinking and smoking cigarettes are both legal!!! Both are not good for your health. Who are you to decide which is safer for the public? Drinking leads to many diseases AS well as deaths from driving drunk, swimming in the Mississippi after a night of drinking. How is that providing a safe environment? Get a clue is right!!! "
Ironic wrote on Jul 21, 2006 11:02 AM:
" I think alof of these postings are very ironic! It is very interesting to say you forced to inhale all of this TOXIC second hand smoke from all of those "SMOKERS" in the bar, and how many of the NON SMOKERS would be in the bar more often and stay longer if they were smoke free. Okay so, instead of inhaling second hand TOXIC smoke you will just pickle your liver in a SMOKE FREE environment! I doubt it. Most of the non smokers I know still wouldn't go to a bar even if it were smoke free. So stop whining and stay home!! "
Babs wrote on Jul 21, 2006 11:02 AM:
" I think that all establishments should be smoke-free. Let the smokers kill themselves and not bother the rest of us. Smokers get a clue--you have no right to smoke wherever you want. Business owners have an obligation to provide a safe environment not only for their employees, but also the public. "
Why do we continue to give up our rights?? wrote on Jul 21, 2006 10:33 AM:
" A tavern is a business owned by a private individual. Smoking is legal. People smoke in bars. I live in west-central MN, near Fargo, ND, and some bar owners have chosen to go smokeless. That is their right as the owner of the business - just as other owners have the right to allow smoking. Some choose to go to the smokeless bars - some don't. The point is if you don't like smoke, don't go to the bar. Otherwise keep your noses out of other people's business. Too many people in this nation think they know whats best for everyone else - and they don't. "
RE: DAN wrote on Jul 21, 2006 10:27 AM:
" Amen. If La Crosse is full of people who would frequent smoke free bars, then let's open some smoke free bars. I would think that the free market should be able to solve this problem. Instead of all of the holier than thou militant non smokers raining on our parade, start going to the Wine Guyz and The Cavalier and show La Crosse that non smoking bars can succeed. If you were really such a strong force, the doors would already be blowing off of those places. "
Tom wrote on Jul 21, 2006 10:24 AM:
" There is currently 1 non-smoking bar (The Cavalier)which seems to do rather well in this area...even as a smoker I think it's a great place to hang out, so i really don't think "smoke-free" bars,clubs,etc. are a bad idea. However...it's ultimately up to THE BUSINESS OWNER. They are the ones that are going to be impacted the most by this...i understand that this study is voluntary, but what happens when it becomes a county ordinance as it has in so many other counties? Will the business owner have any say at all? "
SMOKE HATER wrote on Jul 21, 2006 10:23 AM:
" I don't smoke and hate the smell of it-but the owners should have the say in how they run their business. I have frequented many bars and if I find them to smokey I leave and try somewhere else. The tavern owners know their clientel, so leave it up to them what they want to do. Granted I would love it if La Crosse went smoke free, but it is not so people just need to deal with it. "
Bad argument wrote on Jul 21, 2006 9:59 AM:
" It seems that many smokers think that all businesses will shut down if smoking is not allowed in them. If it is banned EVERYWHERE, why would that be the case? Will all smokers choose to stay home and smoke and never frequent their favorite establishment? I highly doubt it. Seems to me this argument is used simply because those smokers do not want to be inconvenienced by having to smoke outside. "
CA transplant wrote on Jul 21, 2006 9:57 AM:
" Non-smoker here but I accept the fact that if I choose to go to a bar in La Crosse, I'm probably going to smell (and smell like) smoke. My choice.
However, the arguement that business and dollars will be lost if every thing went non-smoking needs to be backed up by facts. I've been in lots of very crowded smoke-free bars and restaurants around the country.
Name a bar or restaurant that has gone under because of going smoke-free. Lets see some names. "
Nestor wrote on Jul 21, 2006 9:45 AM:
" Give me a break. It is one more invasion into peoples lives that the county has no business entering. The county and their employees have enough on their plate already. If a proprietor wants to go smoke free leave that up to them. As far as citing California and its rules. You go live in that whacko enviroment, you can have it. "
hey non-smokers wrote on Jul 21, 2006 9:45 AM:
" For all you non-smokers give the Cavalier a try, there is immediate seating. "
"old boys town" wrote on Jul 21, 2006 9:38 AM:
" When will La Crosse get with the program! It's like everyone's afraid of progressing forward. We have so many closed minded people who run our businesses and gov't. This town will never prosper with this kind of mentality... "
Bar Scene? wrote on Jul 21, 2006 9:31 AM:
" Do people really go down to the bars to smoke? I go out to have a good time, and have a few drinks with friends. If you NEED to smoke, go outside, wouldn't you rather do that anyway?
"
Pearl wrote on Jul 21, 2006 9:29 AM:
" It is time to go smokefree in ALL workplaces. Lets take the lead in Western Wisconsin and be the first county to go totaly smokefree. I support it 100% ! "
STAY....... wrote on Jul 21, 2006 9:28 AM:
" .......LIVING IN "CALI", WHEREVER THE HELL THAT IS.DO YOU MEAN THE 10 LETTER STATE OF CALIFORNIA? "
A BETTER NAME FOR THE PLACE wrote on Jul 21, 2006 9:27 AM:
" Call it the "Wine and Whine" "
TO GIVE ME A BREAK wrote on Jul 21, 2006 9:13 AM:
" THAT IS A PRETTY LAME EXAMPLE, BECAUSE ALL THE BARS ARE NON SMOKING. I THOUGHT THIS WAS A FREE COUNTRY TO LET PEOPLE CHOOSE FOR THEMSELVES? "
Cali wrote on Jul 21, 2006 9:10 AM:
" I am living in Cali right now and everything here is smoke less. It does not stop people here from going out no matter if they smoke or not. It is a way of life. It is kind of nice because I am not a smoker and I can come home from the club's and my cloths don't smell like smoke. The only way for it to work in La Crosse or any other city is it has to be enforced. The smokers will end up going out. It is a way of life out here. It would be nice coming home to La Crosse and going out and not smell like smoke at the end of the night. "
DAN wrote on Jul 21, 2006 9:09 AM:
" I GUESS THERE IS A MARKET FOR NONE SMOKING BARS BY ALL THE WHINING GOING ON HERE. GEE HERE IS A THOUGHT OPEN ONE. IT IS STILL UP TO THE OWNER, GET IT "THE OWNER". BOY I COULD BET THAT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY JUST FROM THE POSTERS WOULD BE, LET ME SEE, AH, ABOUT $45.00 BOY THAT COULD PAY FOR THE ELETRIC BILL FOR MAYBE AH 3 HR'S THAT SOUNDS PROFITABLE.WHY DON'T YOU ALL CHIP IN AND BUY A PLACE AND YOU COULD CALL IT THE, LETS SEE "NO SMOKING HERE" THE LINES SHOULD BE AROUND THE BLOCK ACCORDING TO THE PEOPLE HERE. GIVE IT A TRY!!! "
HERE WE GO AGAIN wrote on Jul 21, 2006 9:08 AM:
" Thanks Terry! I will quit smoking,when you quit eating. "
TO :THE NON-SMOKERS wrote on Jul 21, 2006 9:06 AM:
" Maybe,someone should open a "CHEESE" shop,so you could have something to go with your "WHINE". "
TO:POPCORN TAVERN wrote on Jul 21, 2006 9:04 AM:
" And I'm sure they don't miss you!!!!! "
AS USUAL..... wrote on Jul 21, 2006 9:03 AM:
" ....NON-SMOKERS THINK THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DICTATE AND RULE THE WORLD. WHAT IS IT GOING TO HURT YOU IF A BUSINESS FAILS,BECAUSE, THEY WANT TO KEEP IT SMOKING??? AS STATED SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MANY TIMES ON THE PAST SMOKING/NON-SMOKING BLOGS,THERE COULD BE PLACES FOR "EVERYONE!!!!!!!",IF THE DECISION WAS LEFT UP TO,THE TAX-PAYING,LOAN PAYING,EMPLOYEE PAYING ETC. BUSNESS OWNER! "
Give me a break wrote on Jul 21, 2006 8:56 AM:
" Many cities have done this and it's worked out just fine. I was out visiting San Diego a couple of years ago and the bars there are smoke-free. They didn't have a problem with people coming. Thank goodness bars have doors that you can walk out to get outside to have a cigarette. Didn't we have this same argument about restaurants in Onalaska going smoke free: it was going to hurt business, yada yada? It's funny because going out to eat on a Friday or Saturday night you still have to wait at least 30 minutes for a table at most of the restaurants.
"
To Par & The Popcorn wrote on Jul 21, 2006 8:56 AM:
" I'm someone who used to hang out at the Popcorn a lot, but since I've quit smoking, I can barely stand it in there! "
all whiners wrote on Jul 21, 2006 8:56 AM:
" stay home then and quit your bITCHING "
solution wrote on Jul 21, 2006 8:53 AM:
" why don't we just let the owners decide if they want to allow smoking. if they want a smoke free establishment, that should be their decision, and any profits made or lost thereof would be on their own doing, not another law or regulation. there are plenty of nice places to go that don't allow smoking, so in the meantime, non-smokers can go there... "
Nonsmoker wrote on Jul 21, 2006 8:45 AM:
" I would love to have nonsmoking places to go to, but my guess is the bar owners are right. They probably would lose business because there are far more smokers than nonsmokers who would patronize the bar. It's not the bar owners fault goobers age 18-24 like to smoke and make their establishments smell like garbage. That's where their business comes from. Besides, an occasional nonsmoking night isn't stench-free. The second hand smoke won't be there, but the smell will. "
Sad wrote on Jul 21, 2006 8:25 AM:
" We have a group of 10 - 15 coworkers who like to go out after work once in a while. Only 2 of "us" smoke. Interestingly enough, the smokers will not join us if they can't smoke. In order to enjoy the social aspect of our group, the rest of us have to breathe 2nd hand smoke. But it's still a choice the smoker and non-smoker make, and should remain so, sad or not. "
Mikey wrote on Jul 21, 2006 8:22 AM:
" It will take a bit more than this to bring non-smokers back to the bars. Speaking for myself, I have avoided bars for the past 20 years or so just so I can go to bed at night without horking up phlegm and smelling like an ashtray and can wake up in the morning without eyes too red to see through. All from the smoke. If I want a drink I go to a restaurant or one of the non-smoking bars in town. Once bars go non-smoking, the bar owners will need to entice me back, get me to change my habits. Just like going to WalMart or going to Target - it is a choice based partly on habitm and I need a reason to change. "
TWO WORDS OVER AND OVER... wrote on Jul 21, 2006 8:15 AM:
" BUSINESS OWNER,BUSINESS OWNER,BUSINESS OWNER,BUSINESS OWNER,BUSINESS OWNER,BUSINESS OWNER,BUSINESS OWNER,BUSINESS OWNER!!!!!!!!.............. get the point????? "
Popcorn Tavern wrote on Jul 21, 2006 8:06 AM:
" I used to hit this bar every now and then, don't anymore. Now I know with 98% of the people smoking there, I will not hit it anymore. Worried about loosign potential business, you just lost mine for good. "
Dana wrote on Jul 21, 2006 7:55 AM:
" Re: Mr. Parisey's comments: To assume you would have no customers if smoking was banned is ludicrous. Many non smoking adults enjoy cocktails but avoid the bar scene BECAUSE of the smoke. I for one seek out the non smoking venues and would welcome the opportunity to try different establishments that I would normally avoid - the ones where 98% of the clientele is smoking.... "
nonsmoker wrote on Jul 21, 2006 7:48 AM:
" Ban smoking inside the bar, people can still smoke outside. I think people would spend more time in the bars if they were smoke free, especially those trying to quit smoking. I don't see anything changing for business owners except a better bill of health. Did anyone see the most recent surgeon general's report on secondhand smoke? Check it out. "
cody wrote on Jul 21, 2006 7:44 AM:
" I respect the rights of smokers and bar owners but as California, New York and locally Madison have shown there is a lull in profit but it goes back if not up. This profit argument is just wrong. I would like a smoke free bar scene. There is a smoke free bar in La Crosse, The Cavalier. "
young30 wrote on Jul 21, 2006 7:41 AM:
" My husband I do not go out in La Crosse very often for the simple fact that we can't stand the smoke. We recently went to a comedy club and enjoyed the entertainment, but not the cloud of smoke; that's the last time we will go simply because of the smoke. There are a lot of people like us, and we have money to spend, too, but you won't get it if you allow smoking in you establishment. "
don't like to smell like a cigarette wrote on Jul 21, 2006 7:41 AM:
" I would like to have more places that don't allow smoking. The only establishment I go to is the Wine Guyz because it is smoke FREE. Even if other bars offered one night of smoke free the bar will still smell like stale smoke!!!! "
HeHateMe wrote on Jul 21, 2006 6:47 AM:
" Bar Owners shouldn't be told how to run their business. If they want people to smoke in their establishment, that is their right as an American business owner to do so. I'm not a smoker, but if you anti's don't like it...DON'T GO THERE..simple. "
Good Lord wrote on Jul 21, 2006 6:22 AM:
" This again?....can't wait for the comments this round! "
GO 4 IT wrote on Jul 21, 2006 4:44 AM:
" I say do it. One of the reasons I sometimes avoid going downtown, or to any bar for that matter, is because I can't stand the smoke. Not only does the smell in the air and on my clothes make me want to puke, but I realize what the 2nd hand smoke does to my health. There is no reason that anyone should have to put up with the ill effects of someone else's nasty habit!!! "
fyi wrote on Jul 21, 2006 4:04 AM:
" get real cant you find somethig ligit to crababout you already pretty much controll the public now forchrist sake . "
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