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The future of UW-L: School plans for 10,000 students


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When classes are in session, the University of Wisconsin-La Crosse could be considered the county’s third-largest community.

The 128-acre campus swarms each semester with about 1,100 employees and 9,000 students, about 3,000 of whom also call it home while attending school.
UW-L is seeking permission to enroll another 1,000 students during the next decade. It also is asking regents to set different tuition rates than other UW System schools, increasing in-state tuition and lowering nonresident tuition from its current level.

The 10,000 students could represent a more diverse population and allow students who otherwise would have been shut out to attend. But they also could bring growing pains.

Money raised by the plan — about $15 million annually — would fund 130 additional faculty and staff, plus provide financial aid for students from low-income families.

Administrators believe with careful planning the proposal will enhance education at UW-L. Others, however, still have questions about it.

Where will these students live, Student Association President Ryan VanLoo wondered, considering UW-L’s plans to tear down two residence halls.

What is the breakdown between how many faculty and support staff will be hired, asked Faculty Senate Chairwoman Carmen Wilson.

And Charley Weeth, organizer of the Grandview-Emerson Neighborhood Association, wonders where more people will park when residential streets near campus already are lined with vehicles daily during the school year.

The UW-L growth and access plan

The proposal treats UW-L like a business, Interim Chancellor Elizabeth Hitch said.

Students are demanding a product — a UW-L education. The university wants to provide that product to more than the 8,600 students expected this fall, but it can’t rely on state dollars to expand, Hitch said.

The pilot program would do the following:

  • Tuition would be gradually increased by $1,200 to $1,300 over a three-year period. Students attending UW-L the spring before would not pay the increases.

  • Tuition for nonresidents would be lowered from the current $15,000 price tag in hopes of enticing more out-of-state students. They still would pay at least two times more than residents.

  • As additional dollars come in, faculty and staff would be added so “we don’t wind up growing a population without maintaining quality,” Hitch said.

  • Enrollment of full-time students would increase during the next decade, until about 9,600 students are attending UW-L. Part-time students could push total enrollment to 10,000.

    “Is it larger than we’ve ever been? Yes,” said Vice Chancellor of Administration and Finance Ron Lostetter. “Is it hugely larger than we’ve ever been? No, but it will be noticeable.”

    The Board of Regents will consider UW-L’s plan in August, along with at least 15 proposed plans from other UW schools. All are in response to a call from UW System President Kevin Reilly to increase the number of degree holders in Wisconsin in hopes of keeping the state economically competitive.

    Only 25.6 percent of Wisconsin residents older than 25 have a bachelor’s degree, below the national average of 28 percent, according to 2004 U.S. Census estimates.

    “Everyone is saying we need more baccalaureate degree holders,” said area attorney and UW Regent Brent Smith. “It’s how we get there. We need the resources to do it. You can’t say, ‘Graduate another 20,000, but keep your budgets the same.’”

    The goal could be difficult to achieve when looking at Wisconsin’s higher education environment, said Joe Heim, UW-L political science professor. UW System figures say the state provided $1.03 billion of its $3.1 billion budget in 2000-01, but only $991 million of its $4.1 billion budget in 2005-06.

    UW-L has received $6.3 million less in state funding when comparing those academic years, Lostetter said. At the same time, tuition increased 63 percent for students and UW-L had a net loss of about 70 staff positions. Enrollment was purposely decreased during the past few years, making UW-L harder to get into — with low-income students taking the biggest hit.

    The nonresident student population declined after the state added a 5 percent surcharge for out-of-state students in 2001. Nonresidents usually pay two to three times more than resident students.

    Campus concerns

    Most of the growth plans from the UW campuses propose increasing state funding to increase enrollment. UW-L’s plan does not, but it hinges on more than just state approval.

    A new academic building would be needed to provide additional classroom space. If approved, that space would be made by taking down two residence halls with a combined 400 student beds. Because UW-L has no plans to build new on-campus residence halls, the community would have to shelter more students.

    Several area developers have expressed interest in providing off-campus housing west of campus that would be managed by UW-L residence life staff, Lostetter said.

    Steve Nicolai, president of the La Crosse Area Apartment Association, said some developers have talked of building complexes that could house up to 100 students. He said existing housing has space as well, and landlords would welcome the growth.

    But both the growth proposal and money for the academic building must be in the 2007-09 biennial budget, and some faculty wonder how the university can plan when so many aspects of the proposal are undecided.

    Heim said there’s not a lack of campus support for the plan as much as demand for more details. While he finds it innovative, Heim is concerned higher tuition will sink students further in debt. UW-L data reports that nearly 70 percent of students graduate with loans; the average debt is $13,948.

    Pat Karpinsky, a nurse practitioner in the UW-L Student Health Center and chairwoman of the academic staff council, said student services would need to be beefed up as well, especially for mental health issues.

    Increased enrollment could mean UW-L accepts students who aren’t as prepared as current students are and would require extra assistance, Wilson said.

    Becky LeDocq, associate math professor and conveyor of the committee on academic polices and standards, said her department had 1,000 students waiting to get a general education math class during spring semester. Associate professor of chemistry Sandy Grunwald said science labs run from Monday through Friday, with some going as late as 9 p.m.

    Increased teaching loads and bigger classes are more common after five fiscally tight years, Wilson said, making it harder to do service work for the university or provide in-depth feedback to students.

    “Faculty are willing to step up,” she said. “But there is a breaking point, and we’re approaching that.”

    While VanLoo understands how the plan would work and even thinks students will pay higher tuition to attend the UW-L, he, Student Association Vice President Bree Hanson and graduate student A.J. Clauss are concerned the proposal could shut out middle-class students.

    They also are unsure whether students will live off-campus with housing staff on premises.

    Community support

    Community response has been more enthusiastic. As long as the university keeps communication channels open, community leaders stressed, many think the plan will improve La Crosse.

    “If you look at it as an opportunity instead of a problem, then you can handle it,” said Dick Granchalek, president of the La Crosse Area Chamber of Commerce.

    The additional students and faculty would provide 1,100 new consumers for the region. Faculty and staff hopefully will plant roots in the community, buying houses and sending their children to area schools.

    “Millions of dollars in revenue will be generated by the implementation of this plan,” said Bud Miyamoto, executive director of Downtown Mainstreet Inc.

    La Crosse Mayor Mark Johnsrud doesn’t foresee the costs or size of city services increasing if UW-L’s enrollment went up, noting the population previously has been above 9,000 students.

    Weeth said those living near the university are pro-UW-L but want reassurance their concerns will be heard. Besides parking and traffic, residents are worried more single-family homes will be converted to rentals.

    District 8 Common Council member Dorothy Lenard, who also lives near UW-L and is on the city’s alcohol oversight committee, said city inspectors can make sure rentals are up to standard and work with UW-L on issues such as underage drinking.

    Bruce Johnson, general manager at Valley View Mall, said the effect would be stronger if all 1,000 students came at the same time but thinks any increase could be beneficial.

    The extra enrollment also will enhance the local work force: Johnson, grocery store owner Phil Quillin and David Buroker, region human resources manager for CenturyTel, noted those 1,000 students could find part-time work at businesses like theirs.

    Future uncertain

    If approved, tuition increases would be the first step, probably in 2008-09. Reilly thinks UW-L’s proposal is an “interesting, out-of-the-box kind of plan” that plays to the school’s strengths and is “as good as every other campuses’ plan.” But he stopped short of saying whether he thought it would get a thumbs up from regents.

    He did stress that there will be negative effects if college access isn’t expanded. The state’s per capita income level — $33,565 in 2005 — could continue to slip further below the $34,586 national average. Without a well-trained work force, Wisconsin can’t attract or retain businesses, and the migration of skilled and educated people to states with better economic outlooks will continue, he said.

    Smith and Hitch are more optimistic about regent approval. While Smith is concerned about increasing tuition, he said the plan calls for more financial aid and thinks the idea of expanding access without additional state funding will work in UW-L’s favor.

    Regents approved a complimentary piece of the plan this year when they lowered tuition for nonresident students to about $12,000.

    Hitch knows the proposal hinges on a lot of “what ifs,” but promised careful planning and open communication as it evolves.

    And she doesn’t want to think about what happens if the plan isn’t approved. Enrollment won’t increase. The burden on faculty will grow. Programs could be cut.

    “We’ve had enough years of doing that,” Hitch said. “We want to go in the other direction.”

    What’s next?

    The final stamp of approval for the growth and access plan proposed by the University of Wisconsin-La Crosse may not come until late June 2007 — that is, if it clears all the hurdles lining up in front of it.

    The first stop for the plan is the UW Board of Regents. The

    17-member board will discuss UW-L’s plan, along with other growth and access plans proposed by some of the 13 four-year and 13 two-year UW campuses, during a special meeting Aug. 2 in Madison. The regents are scheduled to vote on the various

    proposals during their regular meeting Aug. 17 and 18. Those approved will be included in the UW System’s 2007-09 biennial budget request.

    Those proposals then must be included in the governor’s budget proposal, which typically is announced in late January or early February. State lawmakers must give a thumbs-up to the plan as well, and the governor must then sign it into law, which usually happens in late June.

    If the plan is approved at all levels, the earliest it could be implemented is for 2008-09.

    Even though UW-L’s plan does not require additional state dollars, UW System President Kevin Reilly said it has to go through the budgetary process because state law requires legislative approval for a government entity to collect revenue outside of the money provided to them by the state.

    Kate Schott can be reached at Kate.Schott@lacrossetribune.com or (608) 791-8226.
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    Atosennim wrote on Jul 31, 2006 1:57 PM:

    " Viva, Spector! "

    The Spector (to OK Smart Guy, et al with same level of intellect) wrote on Jul 26, 2006 11:06 PM:

    " Okay, big fella (I use the gender reference only as a generality) ... come out from the shadow and tell everyone about your level of education. It's clearly NOT beyond high school. If it is, you've forgotten much of what you learned. And the rest of you university-bashers: it's clear by the ineptitude with which you wield the English language that you have not benefitted from an advanced degree. That is, anything beyond high school. Finally, Big Shooter ... I'm not an employee of UW-L and am a George W. Bush supporter, NRA member, pro-lifer and beer drinker. Cut the stereotypes, Ace. "

    Review all decision making? wrote on Jul 26, 2006 2:20 PM:

    " First, taxpayers complain that there's too much bureaucracy in Wisconsin higher ed. Then a great brain like "Sound Advice Community Member" says this: "Appoint a citizen's review panel of local businessmen, officials, etc to oversee all decision making." Ok, community member. Where does this start? Does UWL get a committee together to ok purchasing pencils? staples? paper? Those are decisions. Do you want input on those? How much bureaucracy do you want? Isn't there enough already? Oh, yeah, and the university should only buy good "Christian" pencils, too, I suppose? Whatever happened to separation of Church and State? The Founding Fathers thought it was a good idea. "

    Wow. wrote on Jul 26, 2006 2:15 PM:

    " There sure are a lot of hateful, ignorant people living in La Crosse and commenting on this message board. Many, many towns all over the country would be thrilled to have a large public university in their midst. It brings revenue and prestige. Granted, any university has its problems. But problems are certainly more difficult to solve when there is so much hostile ignorance in the community. How sad. "

    Give me a break! wrote on Jul 26, 2006 11:01 AM:

    " are you all freaking kidding me? UWL is a COLLEGE...remember ur college days?? Deal with it! UWL is almost as hard to get into these days at UW Madison...be happy! They're living by the motto: Work hard, party harder...its the best way to survive college! "

    some sound advice from a community member for UW-L wrote on Jul 25, 2006 4:03 PM:

    " If you want to turn the tide that is currently against UWL, try some of the following: (1) Hire some conservatives in positions of authority and in the classroom and stop the liberal bias where it starts. (2) Teach intelligent design along with evolution, and Christians will support your doings (3) Appoint a citizen's review panel of local businessmen, officials, etc to oversee all decision making "

    Real World wrote on Jul 25, 2006 2:36 PM:

    " I'm sure that many of you have close relatives & friends who are teachers. Stop bashing an entire profession just to get attention on this comment board. Wisconsin has long been one of the finest states in our nation when it comes to academic excellence. Do the research and you will discover how well our state does at all levels of education. Graduates from our universities are doing wonderful things. I'm sure there are UW-L graduates who have helped you & your family members when you have been ill or needed physical therapy or business advice, etc. I don't believe that UW-L needs to become over-crowded with 2,000 more students or needs to lower it's admissions standards, but I also don't believe you need to blame it's graduates or teachers for this mistaken proposal. "

    UWL: Unscrupulous Wandering Losers wrote on Jul 25, 2006 11:55 AM:

    " Just great, another thousand or so hooligans and floozies to throw up on my lawn and scream at 2:30 in the morning. "

    It's simple... coulee region says leave then leave wrote on Jul 25, 2006 11:52 AM:

    " UWL should go where they are wanted if anywhere, I am sick of paying for it in our community. "

    to "the real workd" AKA defender of lazy teachers wrote on Jul 25, 2006 10:12 AM:

    " Oh my GOD they have to WORK at night to prepare for the next day teaching. Wow that must take what 10 minutes? And full to capacity huh? Maybe a little less money spent on "diversity" and "sensitivity training" and there wouldn't be a problem now would there. But oh no we can't eliminate there beloved PC liberal "diversity programs." "

    Thorn wrote on Jul 25, 2006 9:57 AM:

    " Read between the lines. UW-L lowers it's standards so it can accept more 'remedial" students, which in turn qualifies them for grant $ to "help" these students. I have seen this happen numerous times in institutions of "higher learning". I recently worked at a State University where almost ALL of the incoming freshman had to take remedial math, english, and reading (which of course they should have learned in High School. Some of these students SHOULD NOT be hoodwinked into thinking that a 4 year degree will solve all their problems. Most of these "remedial" students survive quite well without a 4 year degree. "

    Just a "Liberal intellectual elite" wrote on Jul 25, 2006 9:52 AM:

    " I too am shocked at the tone of these comments. I teach at another UW campus, and visit LaCrosse regularly... Did you know that WI has fewer college grads than other midwestern states? That tuition and state support of higher ed is lower? That our per-capita income is going in the toilet? That if current trends continue, we will go below Mississippi & Arkansas for state income in 10 - 15 years? "Cut away the cancerous flesh that UW-L is and watch the coulee region thrive!" ???? Judging by many of the comments, we already are living in a cold Mississippi. "

    to Michelle M, a perfect example of why we hate UW-L wrote on Jul 25, 2006 9:36 AM:

    " You state that we should be proud to have a UW campus, the criminals are locals, blah blah blah. Well Michelle, stuff a sock in it because who are you as an outsider to tell us what we should and should not be proud of? I am proud of my hard working, moral, responsible neighbors. But I am DISGUSTED with arrogant know it all outsiders like YOU who ruin our town. Tell me again why I should pay more in taxes so you can drink 24/7 and sleep around? "

    Michelle M. wrote on Jul 25, 2006 8:47 AM:

    " Wow, I am really shocked at all the hate directed at UWL. People, you should be proud to have a UW campus here in town, not to mention one of the most stringent to get into! Since when in higher education bad? I'm not saying you have to go to college to be successful, but why insult people who want to? Besides, decades ago, it was much easier to get a successful career out of high school than it is now (unless working in fast food is your preferred career choice). And criminals? They're much more likely to be home-grown delinquents than UWL, Viterbo or WWTC students. "

    The Real World wrote on Jul 25, 2006 12:13 AM:

    " The professor in the article was not being "whiney" as one of you -'writers'- so carelessly put it. She was accurately pointing out that with the current number of students, labs are filled to capacity & run late into the evening. With an additional 2,000 students , there will simply not be enough room. Also,the teachers at UW-L do work in the 'real world', and from my experience they do an excellent job, often working after hours answering students' phone & email questions, and preparing for the next day of teaching. "

    to the whiney teacher who complains about science labs being open every day wrote on Jul 24, 2006 11:41 PM:

    " gimme a break! What do you think people in the "real world" do? We go to work every day. I guess that's just too much to ask for a university employee tho. "

    my solution: make them pay for a 10 foot wall around their campus wrote on Jul 24, 2006 11:40 PM:

    " and let the La Crosse PD shoot anyone who tries to climb over it. Do that and you can admit as many "students" as you want. "

    Quality Students = Quality UW-L wrote on Jul 24, 2006 11:18 PM:

    " All the gross generalizations thrown in here are quite sad to read. I'm not a student or professor at UW-L, but will soon be the parent this Fall of a UW-L student. My daughter worked hard to achieve straight A's all four years in high school, volunteered for her community, held part-time jobs, earned respect, awards and honors. She also has high moral standards & behavior. Any of you would be proud to know that she will be one of the new students on campus in September. I am quite offended by all the nasty comments I've read here. Do just a bit of research and you will realize that UW-L has graduated many honorable citizens who have given much to your city. Let's keep the admissions standards high and the students who choose UW-L will do so also. "

    OK smart guy (the SPECTOR) wrote on Jul 24, 2006 9:21 PM:

    " Did you ever notice that everyone who defends UWL is either a student or professor there? And that nobody but NOBODY who is a simple private TAXPAYING citizen wants you here? Yes, I know, culture, diversity, blah blah blah? Guess what? There are other ways to be smart than go to UWL, like maybe getting a REAL JOB and working a day in your life? Or is that too much to ask from a LIBERAL intellectual elite? "

    Correction for "Error" wrote on Jul 24, 2006 6:24 PM:

    " UWL DOES have a nursing program, but it is through UW-Madison. Students take all their classes and do everything else at UW-L, so in regards to waiting for nursing classes at UW-L, it is a valid statement. "

    The Spector wrote on Jul 24, 2006 3:55 PM:

    " How many of those who have negative comments about UW-L have a college degree? My guess: zero. Zip. Nada. It's easy for the uneducated to be critical of an institution that has not personally benefitted them. Those who believe the university is not an asset to the community are ignorant, and anyone who casts the net of "vandals, partiers and criminals" over all students are out of touch with reality. As for "bloated ... profs working three hours and spending the rest of their time - our time - doing research," I challenge you to provide ONE example of this. I bet you can't. "

    Nestor wrote on Jul 24, 2006 11:36 AM:

    " Watch this one. It is about ginning up more funds. We can not look at the 25 mil they wasted on a software program, they paid for the Czar of Festivals for years for what ever reason, the staff from one end of the other salary/benefits are high above the private sector norm, etc, etc, etc. This is about recruiting foreign students (cash cows) to gin needed money regardless of future costs to Lacrosse. "Time will tell". "Releaxing of parking", "holistic" appraoch to entrance, give me a break. "

    Error wrote on Jul 24, 2006 8:17 AM:

    " UWL does not have a Nursing School. Wake up and smell the roses. "

    agreed- UW-L is like a cancerous tumor wrote on Jul 23, 2006 10:16 PM:

    " It brings cost, crime, and trouble...not much else. Cut away the cancerous flesh that UW-L is and watch the coulee region thrive! "

    Re: Someone needs to teach wrote on Jul 23, 2006 9:28 PM:

    " Are you kidding, UW-L is not a drain on the coulee region, every fall thousands of students come to your city and spend their money on goods and services, with out UW-L, the coulee region would be a drain on the state. UW-L students make up 20% of la crosse's population, without them the economy, especialy of the bars, would be horrible. "

    I disagree wrote on Jul 23, 2006 8:11 PM:

    " Not all college students are new high school grads. Many have lived here and worked here for years, some with families, trying to go back to further their education and career choices. Having to wait a year or more to get into a class that is a prereq for another is very frustrating. There is a shortage on nurses so we are told, yet the wait list is quite long to get into the program there or at WTC. I personally know quite a few who didn't want to wait and transferred to other schools taking their money with them. So, I am for increasing the campus, hiring more instructors, and bringing more students into the system. :) "

    a message from La Crosse to UW-L: we do NOT want you here wrote on Jul 23, 2006 7:59 PM:

    " Why do you think you can do this? This must be opposed at the highest levels. "

    hit UWL and the rest of the US system where it really hurts,,, wrote on Jul 23, 2006 7:57 PM:

    " In the pocketbook! I'm voting Mark Green for Governor because he will do some major surgery on this bloated money hog. No more profs working three hour weeks and spending the rest of their time- OUR time- doing "research" "

    someone needs to teach arrogant UW-L a lesson wrote on Jul 23, 2006 7:53 PM:

    " Do they ever consult the community before making their rash decisions? Oh, no they do what they want and then expect Joe Taxpayer to pick up the tab. UW-L is a drain on the Coulee Region and has worn out it's welcome. "

    Mikey wrote on Jul 23, 2006 4:37 PM:

    " Second problem: INTERIM Chancellor. Wait til the hire the real dude or dudess. Oh, and a third problem: Education is not a business and there is no "product." The business model has been tried before at other campuses and it always fails from excess trendiness and emphasis on the wrong end - the buttocks vs. the brain, seat time amd number of seats vs. study time and quality of learning. Bad idea. "

    Mikey wrote on Jul 23, 2006 4:33 PM:

    " Two problems. One: I seem to recall reading not too long ago that UW-Superior is sruggling with too few students. I see no need to increase the number of students at any one UW system campus until they are ALL over full. If they are trying to increase diversity, there are more creative ways to do that than just to try to get more Twin Cities kids. Each added student costs the taxpayers of Wisconsin a lot of money. It would be more cost effective to fill all the existing spots in the system before adding new spots. "

    here's a better idea: close UW-L completely wrote on Jul 23, 2006 3:31 PM:

    " Why keep throwing good money after bad? All UW-L is is a big party center and collection of vandals. "

    Thorn wrote on Jul 23, 2006 11:37 AM:

    " In the ivory halls of the insulated academic intellectual, capitalism and all it represents is vilified on a daily basis by the VAST majority of "progressives" that inhabit administrative and faculty positions. Can't wait to see how these "pointy headed" weebles spin this one (can you say "Diversity"?)...in LaCrosse it's ALWAYS about the money. "

    Gazemo wrote on Jul 23, 2006 8:26 AM:

    " I am guessing that enrollment at UWL has increased because they all know about the proposed smokeless night in area tavs. "

    Sounds great but...... wrote on Jul 23, 2006 7:42 AM:

    " Better hire more cops and build a bigger jail to accomodate the problems that would come with increasing enrollment............ "

    The Wizard wrote on Jul 23, 2006 7:15 AM:

    " Wisconsin taxpayers should not be subsidizing out-of-state residents to attend UW schools. If anything, non-resident tuition should increase. Wisconsin students come first. "

    Why lower our academic expectations ? wrote on Jul 23, 2006 2:53 AM:

    " This quote is the one that concerns me : " Increased enrollment could mean UW-L accepts students who aren’t as prepared as current students are and would require extra assistance, Wilson said. " Let's do more to encourage the enrollment of high-achieving in-state students at UW-L. Let's not lower our standards. A reduction in admissions qualifications may cause a reduction in the high standards and solid reputation that now exists at UW-L. Current high-achieving students may begin to leave LaCrosse & transfer to schools which have those higher standards and better-prepared students. I think this proposal will cause more problems in the long run. Beware what you wish for... "

    In-State Student wrote on Jul 22, 2006 11:54 PM:

    " If tution increases $1200-$1300, that's about a 25 % increase in tuition from what in-state students are currently paying. If that is going to be the case, some UW-L students (myself included) may look into transferring to another UW school, such as Eau Claire or Madison, where the increases will not be so drastic. UW-L should be careful not to bring in out-of-state students at the expense of in-state ones. After all, who is more likely to stay in Wisconsin after they graduate? I'd say the in-state students. "

    Make up their mind wrote on Jul 22, 2006 11:18 PM:

    " Wasn't it just a few years ago tht UW-L was going to reduce the number of students on campus so it could increase the state dollars per students they were spending since they were not getting increased state support - now this - would they just make up their minds - same thing happened back in the early 80's didn't it? "


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