captain_obvious wrote on Aug 25, 2008 4:15 PM:
" Conviction discrimination is already illegal under Wisconsin 111.335 yet it runs rampant anyway and CCAP is a major enabler of it.
Can you see the irony in HR managers breaking the law in hiring decisions in order to avoid hiring someone who has broken the law? Corporate crime goes mostly unpunished in our society and that is the ONLY reason why those same HR managers don't have records of their own.
If you have at some time refused to hire someone due to a past conviction that is not recent or substantially related to the job, then you my friend have blood on your own hands. Don't complain about crime when you are contributing to the problem by creating an entire class of unemployable people. Your own employment policies are a primary cause of recidivism. "
Carkar116 wrote on Oct 13, 2007 12:30 PM:
" CCAP is a disater to the people who are trying to rehabilitate themselves from charges and convictions of criminal offenses. While I'm not stating that access by employers of the "criminal history" of a person should not be had (or otherewise remain "hidden" the fact remains that employers have continually considered a person "guilty until proven innocent". My comment here is that CCAP should be restricted only to governmental officials, and to the individual person to whom the "criminal history" being looked up pertains to (the latter would ensure that the person knows exactly what is in his or her's criminal history, and can get any errors corrected by contacting the Clerk of Courts' office within the County which posted the entry - as, e.g., in review of a person's "credit reports"). "
David Irwin wrote on Jan 8, 2007 4:57 PM:
" CCAP is Wisconsin's Scarlet Letter and needs to be done away with. "
Linda King to wrote on Oct 4, 2006 12:05 PM:
" A recond can be expunged from ccap: When a court orders expunction of a record, the underlying CCAP database is modified to remove the record. That info is from Director of State Courts
Policy on Disclosure of Public Information Over the Internet. Google it...read it. "
walter barnott wrote on Aug 22, 2006 12:23 AM:
" The CCAP website publishes information which has prevented me from being hired for jobs, considered for section 8 housing and I feel as if I have been discriminated against in being hired for jobs when I am more than qualified and have 12 credits towards an associates degree in the marketing progaram for a paralegal at MATC/Madison Campus "
chet tourville wrote on Aug 13, 2006 9:44 AM:
" everyone has a comment, no one puts their full name. are you affraid that someone will look you up on the website. you all make me sick. everyone has something to say but no one wants to step forward. what a bunch of cowards!!! "
lookin out for #1 wrote on Aug 5, 2006 8:43 AM:
" I'm all for CCAP and wouldn't even mind paying a small fee. It's a valuable resource for a single woman who can look up potential suitors and it has saved me many times in the past. Those who come across as a wonderful person, may have a pretty nasty current or past record. Plus a very useful resource for employers and business owners. I'd use it if I were hiring people, but I'd ask more questions if I saw something negative. Bottom Line: It's great! "
Fees / Authorization wrote on Aug 4, 2006 6:16 PM:
" Maybe not even a fee, but at least an introduction test, so that users UNDERSTAND the outcomes of cases and charges. There are some really air-head type HR people out there!! "
rick wrote on Aug 3, 2006 12:46 PM:
" let me guess........ most of you outraged angels out there only caught the "pay a nominal fee" part of my last post and are puckered purple right about now. Am I right? Sorry. If there was a fee assessed, the system would not be used as inappropriately as it has been. "
Rick to Patriot wrote on Aug 3, 2006 12:45 PM:
" I read most of your posts and actually line up with you on many issues. On this one, however, we differ.
I'm in NO WAY against a person's record being accessible by the public; however, I think that if it were like it used to be, where if you wanted a gander, you had to write a letter, pay a nominal fee, and get it in writing with a lot more detail in terms of relevant information, then far less discrimination could take place. An over-abundance of information in the hands of the under-educated can be a dangerous thing. "
to; Aww wrote on Aug 3, 2006 2:10 AM:
" I'd rather be a fun lovin criminal than an uptight moron that has no clue. Pat yourself on your back some more and shut it please, thanks! "
Kim (still searching) wrote on Aug 2, 2006 10:41 PM:
" I am on the CCAP site for a felony back in 93. I am a totaly different person today then i was back then. I wish employers would look past the website and call you in for an interview so you can explain how you changed your life. Just because i'm a felon doesn't mean i'm a bad person, i just did a really stupid thing. It was for theft and since then i've worked with money and never would i be as stupid as to pull a crime again. Employers are losing out on a great person, because of a stupid title of felon. "
I feel... wrote on Aug 2, 2006 7:50 PM:
" ...as if Big Brother is watching me. "
rick weeth wrote on Aug 2, 2006 7:19 PM:
" All i know is this. I wrote in and talked about people using CCAP for reasons other than it was intended. I alledged that employers (largely untrained in legal matters who don't know the difference between reduced charges, dismissed cases, but only look at the list of charges and refuse to look deeper) use CCAP to discriminate against otherwise qualified applicants. Moronic knee jerk responses aside, I see people discussing the issue. That is the first step toward change if change needs to take place. Thanks LaCrosse Tribune. "
spf wrote on Aug 2, 2006 12:08 PM:
" If i had known CCAP would be around I would have fought harder and may not have accepted the agreements to settle. If it gets reduced from a misdemeanor, therefore, it should not be on the site as a misdemeanor for 20 years. The review of CCAP took in consideration these concerns and will better reflect the truth. The way it has been used has been damaging to people trying to get jobs. Terminolgy needs to be explained. And if you were engaged in some civil disobedience like protesting war or arrested for a cause, you would end up with disorderly conduct with sounds terrible and can be a reason to keep you out of any job. So why doesn't CCAP make room for acts of civil disobedience? "
Patriot wrote on Aug 2, 2006 11:48 AM:
" Those who would disallow the ability to examine these records are really saying that they wish something to be secret, that is by law a matter of public record. It is important that such things be public record. It is important that public records be available to the public. You can be discriminated against in hiring for all kinds of things. Only things like race/ethnicity, sex, religion, sexual orientation etc. cannot be used to discriminate. Word to the wise, stay out of trouble if you don't want to be judged for your actions. When you do crimes in your 20's, it's as an adult. There are adult consequences. "
Aww wrote on Aug 2, 2006 10:37 AM:
" Poor poor criminals. I feel so bad for them. "
Pam Radtke wrote on Aug 2, 2006 9:27 AM:
" PAMELA RADTKE. 333 VINE ST RM 1200 Contact her if your name was coming up in error, she's the one that has jurisdiction over CCAP, and can edit things! I worked with her to get stuff off CCAP that was on there FROM WHEN I WAS A MINOR! "
to; to um ok wrote on Aug 2, 2006 9:25 AM:
" I have no issues, the only issue I have is the do-gooders that post here, read all the replies and it will make more sense. "If you were good all your life you wouldn't have to worry ... yay me, I'm so good, my #2 doesn't even stink" that type of attitude is what I was referring to. Yes, I have a record, yes, I paid my debt CASE CLOSED. Closed, but yet, even though I paid my debt, I'm still paying for it .... does NOT seem right does it? (no) "
misnomer wrote on Aug 2, 2006 8:54 AM:
" I checked myself out on CCAP and it says I apparently have an alias! I followed up on this information to see what exactly that meant, and it turns out the police officer who issued me a speeding ticket when I was 19 years old misspelled my last name. So from now until who knows when, I'm listed as having an alias on CCAP. Gee whiz, thanks to La Crosse's finest. Oh well, maybe I should have some adventures under my other name... "
MN GUY wrote on Aug 2, 2006 7:10 AM:
" "The application asked me if I had any criminal offenses. I stated no..."
"I had an underage drinking in 1995 and a disorderly conduct in 1998."
You lied and you got caught. "
to: um, ok wrote on Aug 2, 2006 6:51 AM:
" sounds like you have some issues man. I hope you get some help. No silver spoon, grew up poor in a big family. I don't hate the rich, why should I? Am I on CCAP? Yep, a divorce. Someone out there with my same name too, although a few years younger. A person's character is what matters there are jerks in all economic levels, not just the rich, or just the poor. I hope someone helps you with that chip on your shoulder. "
Here's an idea wrote on Aug 2, 2006 5:06 AM:
" Someone should sue CCAP for providing false and/or misleading information to the public. I was never even charged with something listed there. A cop made a mistake with an inaccurate background check and the DA realized that, yet I'm still on there as charged and case dismissed. It was never even charged by the DA. "
rj to cricket wrote on Aug 1, 2006 9:49 PM:
" perhaps if you would fix the slums you rent, you might attract a better class of tennant and not hwve to worry about CCAP searches between rounds at American Singles and Curves dot com. Oh, I'm sorry, does tracking someone's IP address and gaining insight into one's personal business make you uncomfortable? "
Jay wrote on Aug 1, 2006 9:17 PM:
" The only problem I see with the site is that when you have the same name as someone, it takes attention to detail to distinguish. My divorce, and a speeding ticket are on there, but there is someone else with the same name with drug charges (several). Although we are 10 years apart in age, I can see how it would be easy to mix up. "
jo wrote on Aug 1, 2006 8:47 PM:
" I think that CCAP has the potential to be used for the wrong reasons considering the large amount of people with access. You can't enforce every individual who views the public records to take such a non-discriminatory manner as the landlords and some employers who posted comments on this board. I think that this issue would have to go back to our laws regarding privacy, discrimination and public records to find a reasonable (objective) solution. Definitely, something should be done. "
P.S. wrote on Aug 1, 2006 7:52 PM:
" Several years ago, my very vindictive ex-sister-in-law filed a false report that I abandoned and neglected two of my sons. I knew nothing of these charges until I was ordered to appear in court. The charges were totally false and later dropped by the DA's office. However, if you look me up on CCAP you will see that I was charged with two counts of child negelect and abandonment and I believe that's all the further people look. These charges were based on lies, but I will have this on my record forever and there's nothing I can do to get this removed. The public having access to this website is not fair to the truly innocent people that have been charged in error. I think that cases that have been dropped should either be removed from a persons record, or this information shouldn't be open to the public. "
get rid of it wrote on Aug 1, 2006 5:44 PM:
" I have had a run in with that myself, By a temp service. The application asked me if I had any criminal offenses. I stated no, they used ccap and told me i lied. I had an underage drinking in 1995 and a disorderly conduct in 1998. both minor offenses and long ago. So I don't see them as crimes. I think employers should be more worried about violent crimes, drugs, theft....etc. I have not had any violations since. As for staying out of trouble and quit whining, we were all dumb kids at one time, right? So why should I be branded a criminal for thing as minor as unerage or disorderly conduct from 10 YEARS AGO. No one has the right to know that i had a drink underage or got a little rowdy in the past. "
to; cricket wrote on Aug 1, 2006 5:28 PM:
" You should have to pay a yearly fee, and apply for the password to have access to that info. I don't mind landlords checking out a potential renter, but I shouldn't be able to punch up my neighbors info, just because I know his name. AND CRICKET, HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU'RE LOOKING UP THE RIGHT PERSON? Unless you are punching in a SSN you could be on the wrong track. Even with a SSN, that person could have bought that ID. This system needs improvement and and needs to offer protection FOR PEOPLE THAT HAVE ALREADY PAID THEIR DEBTS to society. "
umm, ok wrote on Aug 1, 2006 5:25 PM:
" so, since I made some mistakes, years ago, I should still be penalized today? You goody 2 shoes need to shut the H up and be grateful you were at piano practice instead of growing up the way some have. Some of us weren't born with a silver spoon in our mouths, nor were we adopted into a rich family. Upbringing has a lot to do with how a person thinks & acts. I hate people that were born into money, pampered through college, never caught for their crimes, then have a hollier than thou attitude,,, good for you, now be quiet, thanks. (ditto for bible thumpers!) "
cricket wrote on Aug 1, 2006 3:03 PM:
" As a landlord I love it! "
Holly wrote on Aug 1, 2006 1:01 PM:
" As someone has stated, if you are found inocent it is in the report somewhere. The system has its flaws, for those who have an issue with them perhaps you need to do something to get them changed.
I think we have all gotten off track and the issue here is the gentlemen in question have commited crimes and were not found innocent.
The system has some flaws, people are abusing it, but lets move on; a good example is this entry On (CCAP as well... wrote on July 30, 2006 2:02 PM)
"
Bamspeedy wrote on Aug 1, 2006 12:22 PM:
" I thought I read somewhere that you can ask for certain cases to be removed from the site. I would agree for crimes where the defendant was found not guilty, but not so where they just struck a deal with the prosecutor and got a charge dropped (they still likely commited it, and they do indicate which charges are dismissed).
But I guess I shouldn't be commenting, I have a DUI from 2002 that is not on the list. Every county and city updates to the CCAP differently. Obviously mine didn't happen in La Crosse. "
Bamspeedy wrote on Aug 1, 2006 12:21 PM:
" The article could have found better examples than someone who had a drug history that lasted for 11 years and only ended 2 short years ago (supposedly). Getting out of the drug scene that has lasted that long, while not impossible, is very difficult. Oh, but he came back to the area, maybe because now the city says that having $500 of weed on you is just a petty fine.
I bet the guy that got fired from the bartending job (supposedly after his boss looked at CCAP) was because of his record, but not in the way the article portrayed. He no doubt lied on the application about his record. He was fired for lying. Lie about one thing, then how can they trust you on other things? Lying is grounds for termination in any job. "
Errors, but 99% correct info wrote on Aug 1, 2006 11:09 AM:
" The site is good and bad. I had one ticket in my life, Speeding. The ticket is on CCAP, but has been placed under my twin sisters name. The system doesn't come up Alert watch out she is a twin. So there was a clerical error that happened some place. But in all the website gives a heads up to the bad and the good out there. Heck if you have nothing to hide you don't care if the site is up. Furthermore, if you are an honest person and don't want to get burned check the site out it will tell you who to watch out for. Sucks to play and pay the price, but its only right for those who follow the laws. "
not all cases on CCAP wrote on Aug 1, 2006 10:49 AM:
" I have noticed not all cases are on CCAP. I know someone who is a convicted sex offender. His case is not on CCAP. Because of this he acts and talks like he is not guilty of the crime. As a safety measure, it should be listed. If nothing else, for unsuspecting potential victims to be aware and protect themselves from him.
Afterall, he is a CONVICTED FELON!!
"
can't read... wrote on Aug 1, 2006 9:27 AM:
" If they can't read the info right do you want to work for them??? "
To: Jasesgirl wrote on Aug 1, 2006 3:19 AM:
" If you, your husband, your friends, and your mother-in-law had paid your debts in the first place then no one would have sued you and the amounts you owe along with your addresses wouldn't be listed. "
To: who cares wrote on Jul 31, 2006 9:39 PM:
" Who's a wimp? Some of us think it's unfair to be discriminated against because some people can't read the information on the site correctly. If I have a charge that has been dismissed and a future employer doesn't look far enough to see that, I could lose a career. Not a 'job', a career. Caring enough about my future to be concerned about what people think of me (based on poor research) doesn't make me a wimp. "
Whiners wrote on Jul 31, 2006 9:38 PM:
" The only people whining seem to be the dregs of society. Typical behavior to blame all of your problems on others. I wouldn't hire you losers either...In fact, I don't. Go rip somebody else off. "
Not innocent wrote on Jul 31, 2006 9:37 PM:
" There are not nearly as may innocent people in jail as you all seem to believe. When I was arrested several years ago, I was very suprised to find out that out of the over one hundred people in the jail I was almost the only one who was guilty. It seemed that everyone else had been set up by the man or by their babies mama. You need to stop believeing these people, the police very rarely arrest the innocent, and just because they are found not guilty or the case is dismissed dosen't mean they didn't commit the crime. I made a mistake and take responsibilty for for my actions, maybe that is why I haven't been "discriminated" against because of my record. Or maybhe it is because I am a good employee so I'm not searching for a new job every two weeks. "
You are all missing the point wrote on Jul 31, 2006 9:30 PM:
" The intent is not as a background check site, it exists because of open records laws. I sure many of you who are complaining about your crimes being listed are the same people who scream every time you think that the city council or county bourd violates open records laws. You cannot have it both ways, if you don't want others to see your mistakes you should also be content not to stick your noses into everything! "
Needs improvement wrote on Jul 31, 2006 8:21 PM:
" I agree with all of you who say that the site needs improvement and needs to take off the crimes that are not real. There are too many charges listed on this site that the person didn't commit and it is discovered that the person was incorrectly charged AFTER they investigate. These charges are eventually dismisses but are still left on the site for people to make judgement off from. Also, not only are employers reading too much into the site, so are newspapers. If someone gets charged (Not convicted) of a crime, they are right there listing everything on the record regardless of the ruling. "
who cares... wrote on Jul 31, 2006 7:57 PM:
" i've got junk on the site, but guess what - i'm working, paying my bills, supporting my family and i don't care either way if my background is on there. get some thick skin you wimps and get looking for a job. "
Thorn wrote on Jul 31, 2006 6:38 PM:
" NAIL ON THE HEAD JASES!: Appears that CCAP needs to be more selective in what it lets people access. REALLY need to get stuff off there that is NOT a conviction-that would seem like a "no-brainer". Also need to get AT LEAST misdemeanor stuff off there after a given period of time. QUESTION: What idiotic official/legislature gave permission to allow people to do this? Where the ACLU when you REALLY need them!? "
jasesgirl wrote on Jul 31, 2006 4:28 PM:
" I,m sorry but I just don,t think that any part of a persons life history or other should be acessable by the public for viewing on the internet.I can understand that its a useful tool for law enforcement but they should have to apply for a password to be able to acess the information and the site should be secured for only law enforcement or lawyers not the greneral public. I just went onto the site to see if it worked unfortunatly it worked to good I found my friends,mine,my husbands and even my mother-in-laws names and what amounts they owed and for what they owed it for,and their currents address and birthdate but yet the laws complaining about identity theft and they are contributing to it. "
I typed in my name........ wrote on Jul 31, 2006 3:05 PM:
" Uncheck the little boxes to narrow your search. "
Hey boo hoo wrote on Jul 31, 2006 3:02 PM:
" "Don't break the law and you have nothing to worry about." I think that is what you said. You didn't mention the fact that anybody can be charged with anything. Whether you are guilty or not and it will still show up there. In alot of cases innocent people can not afford to find these bogus charges so they take plea bargains. Innocent people choosing between feeding their children instead of paying expensive lawyer fees. There are many reasons that innocent law abiding people would and do show up on this web sight. A sixteen year old boy was just charged with murder. Is he a murderer? Get real and quit being so holier than thou. "
I fired "Mark" wrote on Jul 31, 2006 2:42 PM:
" I think I may have been one of the bar owners who fired "Mark". It was not due to his criminal record, I knew about that the day I hired him. He was fired because he repeatedly served his underage aquintances and didn't even charge them for the drinks. That said I cannot be one hundred percent sure it was the same person as in the story, but his excuses sure seem familiar. If we are talking about the same person he needs to take responsibility for his actions and realize that not everyone is out to get him. "
Nestor wrote on Jul 31, 2006 2:11 PM:
" I doubt that you can find out this kind of information from things you did as a minor. If you did it as an adult, too bad. I typed in my info, all of it, and there was nothing. Gee, I wonder why that was? Doesn't anybody care that a Legal Commisioner/Judge files false/misleading information for Attorneys on the WI Court Records site. Or are we at the point where we have accepted Lawyers and their buddies are 'special' in our town, county and state. We let it pass, be swept under the rug, and then are left to wonder why things are the way they are? "
I typed in my name, wrote on Jul 31, 2006 1:50 PM:
" Middle initial and D.O.B and I still came up with court records from the "Other" Me... Now most of you are telling me that it is not CCAPS Falt. It should require the use of a SSN to get the history of a person. That is about the only thing that seperates people. Employers require a SSN so they would have access to what they would like to find out. "
Comes down to one final thing wrote on Jul 31, 2006 1:31 PM:
" This comes down to choices you make that dictate the course of your life. I do believe that is all that needs to be said, be wary of the choices you make today folks, could bite your behind later! Unfortunately it does not matter if you go from dealing drugs to wanting to be a preacher, everyone has a past that follows them, like it or not. Complaining about it just makes for some good comical reading right now. These posts have been very entertaining. :) Keep em coming! lol "
CCAP, Another Wake Up Call for Wisconsin wrote on Jul 31, 2006 1:16 PM:
" Discrimination is a word used to often. While people do make some bad decisions in this day and age, CCAP is another reminder to think before you act. "
DJS wrote on Jul 31, 2006 1:13 PM:
" It's not really and different than in the old days when they hung the criminals and left them for the whole town to see. Not everyone knows about this website. Maybe this will shame some people into not doing criminal things or they may stop doing criminal things. "
Tony wrote on Jul 31, 2006 12:35 PM:
" Charges do not equal a conviction. CCAP is not the problem. The problem is the users. If an employer or landlord doesn't look into things deeper than CCAP, that's their fault. They could be overlooking an excellent worker or tenant that made some bad decisions. However, someone with an extensive history likely would not fall into this catagory. You reap what you sow. I suggest you own up to your shortcomings. If falsely accused, make that known and ask that confirmation of this be made. This is being up front and not appearing to hide something. Should someone have issue with what they see, perhaps you really do not want to work/live under them. If you're guilty, consider this part of the punishment for what you chose to do. Buck up and deal with it. "
Rick to NOMHH wrote on Jul 31, 2006 12:13 PM:
" I seriously doubt you go to a church on any regluar basis. If you do, please forgive the assumption. Please take what you posted and share it with your priest,pastor, elder, cult leader. If they are even a little bit Christian, I'm pretty sure you'll get an earful....... I somehow doubt you've got the stones to do that. Peace, love, and life to you. "
Rick to "Employer" wrote on Jul 31, 2006 12:08 PM:
" I really don't believe you. I'm sure that you go on THINKING you're just going to check one's honesty, but if you find something older than 7 years, you'll round-file the application anyway. "
rick to "please..." wrote on Jul 31, 2006 12:02 PM:
" and on the job application, it usually always says "in the last seven years...." my errors are over 20 years old and still i get passed over. "
Guest wrote on Jul 31, 2006 11:51 AM:
" Christen says his mistakes are in the past, but then later says his last entry was in 2004, doesn't sound too far in the past to me. I wouldn't hire him either. You made the decisions to do what you did, now deal with it... "
unohoo wrote on Jul 31, 2006 10:55 AM:
" I can't remember the specifice intent of ccap. I've used it when hiring because the people I hired were given keys and alarm codes for the customer's property. I hired people with felony misdemeanor and ordinance violations. My assessment went beyond what I read on the web site. I read from the court files and based my judgement on the length of time since the infraction, what was happening in the individual's life then and now, and the type of infraction and the result(dismissed, deferred, or convicted) I never had any trouble from my choices. "
An Employer wrote on Jul 31, 2006 10:44 AM:
" I too use CCAP as a hiring tool, but since we ask on our employment applications for misdemeanor and/or felony convictions I use it more check on the honesty of an applicant.
If the applicant has been truthful then they have also had an opportunity to explain the charges and circumstances to us. The applicants that do not disclose this information are the ones that don't make the cut. It isn't always about what you have done but about how honest you are about it. "
Nestor wrote on Jul 31, 2006 10:29 AM:
" How about this one instead Tribune editors-
I'll bet that the site will not reflect that our Lacrosse District Attorney and Municipal Judge did not participate in 'Families First & Sandcastles' mandated County classes during their divorce as was specifically filed during their divorces.
Gee, you might have to run that by your legal council. I wonder who that is? "
Speelgin wrote on Jul 31, 2006 9:41 AM:
" If you have the time to dismiss someones thoughts because they missspeld a word, get a new hobby, and realize just because someone spells badly doesn't mean they don't make good points. Good for you, you know how to use a spell checker, pat yourself on your back and sh*t the H up please, thank ouy "
Felony vs. Misdemeanor wrote on Jul 31, 2006 9:39 AM:
" There needs to be a clearer picture as to if someone is a felon or not. I have a lot of misdemeanors, no felonies ... most employers only ask if you're a convicted felon, or not. So, I say no on the application, I'm not a felon. Then they go into CCAP and see all the little things I've done, and figure I lied. This is keeping people from working legit, bottom line, period. "
to; type in your name 2 wrote on Jul 31, 2006 9:34 AM:
" The other guy that did the hit and run had no phone! REQUIRE THAT A BIRTH DATE BE USED IN THE SEARCH, IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT PERSONS BIRTH DATE, YOU DONT VIEW THEIR FILE. I'm sure that would be overly simple for the webmaster to do, but ... overly difficult for the red tape to make it happen. If I get my neighbors name off their mail, I shouldn't be able to look up their info unless I have their birthdate, it could be the wrong guy!!!! Come on CCAP, you can do better!!! "
to; type in your name wrote on Jul 31, 2006 9:34 AM:
" I agree totally with you. (use a spell checker, keeps nitpickers at bay by the way) There is someone in town with the same first and last odd name as mine, I was even charged once with a hit and run from the other me, once I stated my concern at the DA's office, they apologized and admitted, they just looked in the phone book for my address. "
CCAP does hurt people wrote on Jul 31, 2006 9:29 AM:
" I have had my scrapes, and I think the information age keeps me from getting where I'd like to be. Employers aren't savvy enough to read through the entire case, all they see is what the person was charged with, wet their pants, and toss the application. They don't read into the fact it was dismissed as unfounded. They compare their spotless record to what you've been charged with, and end the process there. CCAP needs to eliminate CHARGES that didn't result in a conviction, period. Maybe only go back 5 years, instead of EVERYTHING. How about having access for lawyers and judges be more in detail, than for the general public? (webmaster could do this in a week) That would be nice, and maybe the unemployment rate would drop a bit. "
To: Believer in system wrote on Jul 31, 2006 8:50 AM:
" You're right that it does say guilty/not guilty etc. The problem is some users of the site don't even look long enough to see the results of the charges, and that's where discrimination or bias can come into play. "You didn't get the job because you were found on CCAP." "Did you see the charges were dismissed?" "Oh. Uh, no." Now they see the dismissal. Now that it's too late. If that's not bias, I don't know what is. "
Legal Eagle wrote on Jul 31, 2006 8:18 AM:
" Many of you are saying that "even though my charges were dismissed, they're still on CCAP". Obviously! They were filed! But if you look a little closer, you will notice that after the charges are specified, if the case is closed, it then says "dismissed". The system is fine, but if someone uses it improperly, is that CCAP's fault? I think not. "
Boo Hoo wrote on Jul 31, 2006 8:13 AM:
" Don't break the law and you have nothing to worry about. "
Type in your name! wrote on Jul 31, 2006 6:52 AM:
" What most of you don't understand is that if someone with the same name as you has been charged with anything YOU could be mistaken for that person... This web site has it's merits. But the bottom line is that there are inocent people that have never done anything wrong EVER and they are getting judged... I challenge every one of you to type in your name and see the results... Some might come up clear, yet some with be very suprised. I am one example of a person that has the same name of someone else living in some other part of the state. The "Other" me has committed many crimes. Yet the largest crime I have personally committed is a minor traffic violation. Until the System is fixed it should not be avaible. "
Landlord wrote on Jul 31, 2006 12:05 AM:
" I use CCAP to screen tenant applications, I do this because evictions are extremely costly and time consuming for the landlord. Twice it has saved me money; the first was a woman who had been evicted for non-payment of rent 14 times in the last nine years. The other was a young woman whose record showed three convictions for writing bad checks and two evictions. Needless to say I didn't rent to either and six months later when I, out of nosiness, checked again they each were in the process of being evicted. I have also rented to people with criminal records, as long as they are up front with me about it and take responsibility for their actions I see no problem with renting to them. I made some mistakes when I was younger and have had to explain and take responsibility for them once or twice. "
Vigilante wrote on Jul 30, 2006 11:22 PM:
" CCAP protects the common man from misrepresenting ex-cons and reporters with an agenda. I just did a quick search on the Ron Christen featured in the story. In the last one and a half years Mr. Christen has been arrested for: Operating while intoxicated 2nd offense, Battery, Resisting an officer, Possession of THC, Operating a motor vehicle with a revoked license, Possession of drug paraphernalia, refusing a breathalyzer after arrest, and displaying and unauthorized vehicle registration plate. After all of that, in December 2005 he was found in contempt of court for failure to pay the fees for his court appointed attorney. I was unable to check to see if "Mark's" story rang any more true, but I have a feeling that if he was getting fired from jobs in bar and restaurants his attitude may have had more to do with it than his criminal record. "
law abiding wrote on Jul 30, 2006 10:54 PM:
" I can't help but notice that almost all of the anti-CCAP posts have many of the same spelling and grammatical errors - Ron and Mark is that you? "
Believer In The System wrote on Jul 30, 2006 10:37 PM:
" Have any of you people actually used CCAP? Yes, the charge is on there, but it also says how it was settled, example: guilty, not guilty, guilty by jury, or changed/reduced to something else. I can't beleive that so many people have an opinion about some things they don't use or understand. I am on CCAP, too and it hasn't effected my life at all. Some people need more to do. If CCAP public information is effecting your life, the choices you have made is only yours to take credit for. Find something else to whine about or bad mouth. "
Grim Reaper wrote on Jul 30, 2006 9:45 PM:
" Ok, as someone who has been on both sides of CCAP I would like to explain something. There is someone in the State with my same exact name which happens to have an unusual spelling. This person has met the long arm of the law several times. Meanwhile, I have a squeeky clean record. I've never had a problem getting a job. As someone who has hired many people over the last five years, I have looked up individuals on CCAP. Just because someone might have a rap sheet as long as my arm never meant that I would not hire them. What it came down to is what the charges were and if that would be a concern with their responsiblities on the job. Those who believe they've been wronged by CCAP need to think about what they are saying. "
LaCrosse DA wrote on Jul 30, 2006 9:22 PM:
" Scott Horne is listed in CCAP. Amongst other things, SPEEDING! Isn't he prosecuting a kid for causing a death due to speeding? "
wow wrote on Jul 30, 2006 8:45 PM:
" well I have 1 speeding ticket on there and I never went to court or any of that crap...and I still was able to get a great job and go on to live my life and have friends and everything. "
Me wrote on Jul 30, 2006 8:42 PM:
" I've never seen such a bunch of ad hominem attacks in my life! Holy cow! This type of behavior is why I normally don't bother posting my opinion.
"You're a loser!"
"You're a moron!"
"You're stupid!"
This isn't kindergarten people! Get a grip! "
Self-righteous are least intelligent. wrote on Jul 30, 2006 7:17 PM:
" It appears that the most self-righteous people here are also the least intelligent. "
Brian G Smith wrote on Jul 30, 2006 6:44 PM:
" My point is obviously unworthy of your debating finesse. "Shut up already"...you say? Stunning retort. My point is some Americans have trouble getting a job or keeping a job because of some misdemeanor in their past revealed by the CCAP. It's remarkable we have a sitting pResident that, if he had applied for a local job at Hardware Hank's or "Billy's meat market", would have been refused because of his past history breaking the laws of the land. People are such huge hypocrites. "
To: wow... wrote on Jul 30, 2006 6:13 PM:
" Too bad you are a moron too. I know the law. Better yet, I have a moral compass. You won't find me arrested or on CCAP because I am better than you and the idiots that are found on CCAP. Nice try. Keep digging. "
Waiting for MN to catch up..... wrote on Jul 30, 2006 6:08 PM:
" CCAP just takes the legwork out of finding PUBLIC records. I even have looked up the people I work with. I'm nosy, deal with it! Boo-Hoo!
If you are found innocent of a crime it shows on there, just click the upper right corner for more details.
The system is legal and should be available. "
N0MHH wrote on Jul 30, 2006 5:59 PM:
" The CCAP keeps alive a valuable public institution: Public Shame. Don't do the crime,
don't suffer the lasting consequences. It is not
much different than waiting a number of years
post-bankruptcy for an improvement in your credit rating. And that is just the earthly aspect -- what about what God thinks of your earthly transgressions? "
Somebody Call The.... wrote on Jul 30, 2006 5:29 PM:
" .... whaaaaaambulance. I'm not on CCAP as I've never committed a crime. "
jack wrote on Jul 30, 2006 5:27 PM:
" nothing like the internet where people can bash one another behind anonymity....put down your booze la crosse and show yourselves!!! FIND SOMETHING ELSE TO DO WITH YOUR TIME OLD TIMERS!!! "
CCAP is ok sometimes wrote on Jul 30, 2006 5:25 PM:
" As long as you are honest with an employer, the employer understands, i do beleive that some employers discriminate against applicants for some crimes, in 1997 I had a receiving stolen property, and because that is considered a theft(misdermeanor) some retail stores wont hire. That was ten years ago, i dont know what that has to do with now. But i am doing ok, I have never had a problem finding work, own a new 2004 car and have been happily married for a while know. Graduated with my bachleors from UWL and am now going for my masters. If you are qualified for a position you will get it. Most people that get passed over for a job are either trying to hide there past or make a bad first impression....
"
La Crosse lifers with nothing better to do wrote on Jul 30, 2006 5:25 PM:
" This is typical La Crosse Wisconsin boredon...what other town can stir up all this controversy due to the people being nosy and looking up other people on CCAP??? Oh wait....you can go get drunk seven days a week..forgot about that...Get lives people..Go somewhere other than this decaying town of losers and you wont feel its so precious to discriminate..GET A LIFE LA CROSSE! "
Bill wrote on Jul 30, 2006 5:16 PM:
" To all you "if you do the crime then do the time" plagerizers. This isnt about not serving a sentence imposed. Its about people with non violent offenses being excluded because they didnt pay their hospital bill in full...or they were charged with speeding or possesion of THC. Sex offenders and worse should be public knowledge...anything else??? mind your own business and get a life "
Ralph Hagen wrote on Jul 30, 2006 4:59 PM:
" Too all you higher and mighter than god people with the attitude that you can do no wrong. Listen up. You or someone in your family, more likely you. Have all done something against the law. You more likely should have been in jail, or arrested at one point in your life for something you have done. You just didnt get caught. For all the people who say you've lived a life of a good god-fearing person with no mistakes in your lives. I say your worse than the people you're talking about. Even the little things that you may admit to yourself behind closed doors in a room all by yourself so nobody hears you. Has effected someone you have never seen. No one alive is quilt free. "
To: Brian G Smith wrote on Jul 30, 2006 4:50 PM:
" I did...the same as you, Mr. Smith. What's your point. Exactly, nothing. So shut up, already! "
Brian G Smith wrote on Jul 30, 2006 4:29 PM:
" Too bad no one did a CCAP research on George W. Bush. "
Wow wrote on Jul 30, 2006 4:08 PM:
" What a bunch of hatefull and narrow-minded individuals you are. Nice post from ON CCAP AS WELL. This person tells it exactly as it is, quit the poor me song and dance and try harder. To these people selling a sob story to the Tribune is worth more to them than trying hard to find a job. "
k.e.m. wrote on Jul 30, 2006 4:04 PM:
" A criminal record — which includes disorderly conduct, possession of THC and criminal damage to property charges, dating from 1993 to 2004. That's over 10 years of being a screw-up, don't be boo-hoo-ing your problems on the CCAP. Those things are going to come out in a normal background check anyway. Take some responsibilty for you life and prove you can stay out of trouble and employers may start to give you a look past your extensive record. "
To: CCAP has become the Scarlett Letters, a brand. wrote on Jul 30, 2006 4:04 PM:
" Why would I have a problem with karma? You are the offending party? Loser. "
To: So wrote on Jul 30, 2006 3:43 PM:
" You are correct. I spend many years building my company...I am not going to risk losing it to a worthless, moron like yourself. Super size this! "
To: Never Speeded wrote on Jul 30, 2006 3:19 PM:
" The 2:29 person who answered back to you did his homework; you're the dumb one. "
Real Problem wrote on Jul 30, 2006 3:18 PM:
" Why would you leave the state. You can make more money on here on welfare in Wisconsin than actually going out and getting a job. Just quit the rinky dink job you might have, steal from your neighbors for Christmans money and sit in your state assited free housing all day. Until Tommy Thompson or someone similar comes back with workfare......Wisconsin and espectially La Crosse will be a place to prosper with thousands of "babies mamas" collecting from the real workers of the state. "
Small-mindedness wrote on Jul 30, 2006 3:17 PM:
" It seem ridiculous to me that the small-minded people who are writing here are so worked-up about others being on CCAP. There are many unscrupulous and immoral people out there who are not on CCAP nor may they never be. "
wow... wrote on Jul 30, 2006 3:05 PM:
" I love how intelligent all the posts calling others a moron are...You will criticize everyone until you get wrongly arrested for something (yes it is possible), proven innocent but still have a record. Or...the college student who had a few drinking tickets. According to some of you, those people are terrible and deserve to be jobless for life. The truth is the majority of people on there arent murders, rapists, and robbers. Maybe look at yourselves before being so critical of others? "
To: Never Speeded wrote on Jul 30, 2006 2:29 PM:
" I have no previous record except for speeding tickets(2). I know this because its on CCAP "
To: local 1081 wrote on Jul 30, 2006 2:19 PM:
" You sound union...good ridence. "
On CCAP as well... wrote on Jul 30, 2006 2:02 PM:
" I do not mind being on CCAP, being convicted of a felony in 91. My conviction does make many things difficult. Yet, since my conviction I have: graduated with a BA, purchased homes, married, begun to raise a family, held a senior position in a large company, and now run my own company. These things were all possible despite my criminal conviction, not impossible.
I do not deny my conviction has resulted in employers denying/terminating employment, but if a company or person judges me solely on my poor decisions from 15+ years ago, and not my accomplishments since, it is in MY best interest to look elsewhere.
As a current employeer, I use CCAP, not to exclude people, but determine if they are truthful about past actions.
Don't let your past hold you back, but motivate you to excel in the future.
"
Clean nose... no boogers wrote on Jul 30, 2006 1:49 PM:
" Keep your nose clean and no one will be looking for boogers "
To: Never Speeded wrote on Jul 30, 2006 1:22 PM:
" Speeding won't get you on the site.....you need to have a court case. Do your homework before commenting. "
To: Never Speeded? wrote on Jul 30, 2006 1:00 PM:
" "All of you have the potential to be on CCAP." Wow, that statement just oozes intelligence. Why don't you just admit to the world you are a moron? "
To: Many innocent people on CCAP wrote on Jul 30, 2006 12:58 PM:
" Hey moron, it's called Ciruit Court... CCAP has nothing to do with arrests. Information exists on CCAP when charges are filed by the County DA. If you are arrested and no charges are filed, then you are not on CCAP. You are lucky that CCAP doesn't include stupidity. "
I'm on CCAP! wrote on Jul 30, 2006 12:37 PM:
" Five years ago I was falsely arrested, and it was dismissed. I'm a good citizen of the community. I volunteer at three different agencies. I also have a 3.90 GPA in a masters program, and am on Board of Directors in two different agencies. I go to church every Sunday, and have always lived a moral life. CCAP doesn't tell the whole story. It's a shame that people abuse the system so flagrantly. "
Re: Many innocent people on CCAP wrote on Jul 30, 2006 12:32 PM:
" ccap only shows charges filed. i know people who have been arrested and show nothing on ccap. also ccap shows the verdict. so a not guilty is recorded. i also take offense to how you characterize police. i'm currently living in milwaukee and working in law enforcement. i think people need to realize that we don't have a personal vendetta against people we've never met. it's not like i just say hey, that guy looks like someone i'd like to make a random report on and then get at it. "
wow wrote on Jul 30, 2006 12:29 PM:
" you mean just because these men have committed several crimes including felonies they're being discriminated against. what do they expect? ccap simply makes it quicker for people to see your history. open records laws have been around long before the internet. "
Many innocent people on CCAP wrote on Jul 30, 2006 12:18 PM:
" Did you know that even if you were arrested and found not guilty, that arrest record cannot be expunged from CCAP. Police officers frequently can be unprofessional and when it comes to them doing a police report, it can be inaccurate and false. A "dismissal" cannot be expunged from CCAP; is that fair?! "
To Local 1081 wrote on Jul 30, 2006 12:17 PM:
" Hire the mexicans!!! "
To Robert Gaustad: wrote on Jul 30, 2006 12:15 PM:
" donuts...mmmmmmmmmmm....... "
H.D.T. wrote on Jul 30, 2006 12:14 PM:
" In June of this year there was a documentary on the Arts & Entertainment network about a La Crosse resident who was very clearly falsely convicted for a homicide that he did not commit. The documentary ended with a postscript indicating that even though he has been exonerated for this crime, he continues to be discriminated against due to the Wisconsin CCAP listing, even though the listing states that the case was finally dismissed but the prosecutor. CCAP can be a valuable tool but modifications are required. "
Human Resource Director uses CCAP regardless of background wrote on Jul 30, 2006 12:13 PM:
" I work in a personnel office. It's been my experience that if a background check has been performed there is no reason to look on CCAP, unless the Human Resources Director is unethical. Unfortunately, there are many Human Resources directors that like to snoop, regardless. "
To Rick wrote on Jul 30, 2006 12:12 PM:
" I don't want you in my house near my family...........too bad your choices in life have limitted your employment options....not my problem.....pick something else to do! "
CCAP has become the Scarlett Letters, a brand. wrote on Jul 30, 2006 11:59 AM:
" Everybody has read the type that posts here now and previously-those towers of moral perfection who are quick to condemn forever anybody who has made a mistake and claim they get what they deserve. They believe that a person should pay for any crime forever and be prevented from getting a job. It does not matter if mistakes are made and a person has a common last name or that the case was dismissed or no conviction. What matters to these types is that a person's name is on CCAP so that they might cackle with gleeful moral superiority over the "criminal". Let's hope that with that attitude that Karma comes around to bite them in the end. "
So wrote on Jul 30, 2006 11:57 AM:
" When, a perosn is unable to find work, because they appear on CCAP, and no one iwll hire them, what should they do to support themselves? Should they rob you? Go to prison? Live on welfare? How should they support themselves and their wife and children? I'm all for punishment of a crime, but after the debt is paid, isn't it time to let it go and let this person get on with life?
Perhaps CCAP should only go back 5 or 10 years, so that a person that has had some problems can get past them by staying clean and out of trouble for a while.
How many of you uttered the words this morning, "Forgive us our sins, as we forgive those who trespass against us?" "
To: Great System wrote on Jul 30, 2006 11:54 AM:
" I hope you never get stopped for speeding over the limit, because if you break the law you will have to pay the consequences. I'd be more worried about a potential employer who repeatedly got speeding tickets than a person with a one-time "dismissal" charge. "
Agency abused the system! wrote on Jul 30, 2006 11:52 AM:
" Are the ones not abusing the system any better than some of our citizens on CCAP? I recently started an internship at a place in La Crosse. After doing a background check they told me that they look on CCAP to see if there's anything there. How tacky and unprofessional this agency is! "
Never Speeded? wrote on Jul 30, 2006 11:50 AM:
" Who of you have not broken the law by speeding over the limit? All of you have the potential to be on CCAP. "
To: Robert Gaustad sr. wrote on Jul 30, 2006 11:45 AM:
" Your are nuts. If someone is convicted of 5th DUI, he needs prison time...to protect society. If someone is convicted of a sex crime 2 times, throw away the key. Your pathetic display of compassion does nothing for protecting society. You will change your tune when you are the victim of those you profess to forgive. "
Only seeing black and white wrote on Jul 30, 2006 11:43 AM:
" As an advocate for domestic abuse clients it is mandatory to arrest both parties in a domestic abuse dispute. In April, that has been changed to arrest the perpertrator only. So one of the parties is innocent (usually), but still goes through the court system and is charged along with the perpertrator. It is usually lowered to disorderly conduct. Please be aware that there are many inconsistencie in this concept of CCAP. "
To: To: Rick wrote on Jul 30, 2006 11:22 AM:
" You're right. If Rick hired someone with a 4th DUI, a pedafile or even someone who was convicted of embezzlement (no matter how long ago it took place) he would expose his company, and possibly himself, to negligent hiring, negligent retention, and/or negligent supervision. Rick has no clue what he is talking about. Some lawyer is going to make a mint off this moron. "
local 1081 wrote on Jul 30, 2006 11:09 AM:
" I am moving out of La Crosse becuase of this reason! who is going to cook your food and wait on your tables when we are all gone? guilty until proven guilty in this state and especially here in La Crosse! "
To: Great System wrote on Jul 30, 2006 10:51 AM:
" The only people balking at it are trying to cover up their past? Not so. You people still won't acknowledge that there are innocent people listed on CCAP being discriminated against. The charges don't go away regardless of the outcome. Sound fair? "
Robert Gaustad sr. wrote on Jul 30, 2006 10:39 AM:
" I believe that government should'nt be allowed to give a life sentence on crimes that donut call for life sentence.In the way they are handeling the justice today, in effect public records make every crime a life sentence.You can,t blame employers for what is wrong in government polices. That is government today sentences on sentences'taxes on taxes' envasion of privacy ,and all is done in the name of security.If a person offends 7 times & repents he should be forgiven' not have added punishment.Thank our for?fathers for the constitution amen. "
Personal Accountability wrote on Jul 30, 2006 10:34 AM:
" Too bad guys!!!! Next time think before you do something that will harm others! I dont feel at all sorry for either of these guys. Many of us work hard and dont go through life stealing, beating people up and breaking the law. Grow up and get over it Sally, and in the future, think before you do something stupid. "
RE: LEGAL EAGLE wrote on Jul 30, 2006 10:33 AM:
" EXACTLY!!! "
Great System wrote on Jul 30, 2006 10:17 AM:
" I think CCAP is a great tool for people to use. The only people balking at it are the people trying to cover up their past or present. As you can tell by viewing comments here, those people choose to blame others for their mishaps. It's the stupid employers, the moron landlords, etc. BooHoo!!! "
To: The Happy Bartender wrote on Jul 30, 2006 10:16 AM:
" Hey, you're a poet and probably didn't even know it. "
Dear holly, wrote on Jul 30, 2006 10:13 AM:
" Again. NOT EVERYONE ON CCAP HAS COMMITTED A CRIME. If a person is charged with something, it stays there. Employers often don't look far enough into it to see the charges dismissed. If, God forbid, you are someday charged with something you're innocent of, it'll be on there as you being charged. You could be discriminated against because of it, even though you are innocent. "
Scarlet letter wrote on Jul 30, 2006 10:09 AM:
" The free flow of public records is important, but we are moving towards a digital scarlet letter, that "permanent record" teachers and parents used to terrorize us with when we were young. The system needs to have safeguards that allow people to make corrections and provide explanations where appropriate. Most importantly, this data should not be available anonymously. We should be able to see who is looking into our history and why they want to know about us. "
Fuzzy wrote on Jul 30, 2006 10:09 AM:
" this is a good thing,other than some peoples names just so happen to not show up!!!I realy like the sex offener link,but it just so happens that the STATE will not enforce its oun laws!!! "
The Happy Bartender wrote on Jul 30, 2006 10:08 AM:
" If you have No court record, you have nothing to fear, so behave and you are in the clear "
Holly wrote on Jul 30, 2006 9:59 AM:
" I believe the idea is to send a message to all people that if you commit a crime, it stays with you. It is a message being sent to future criminals. "
To: rick to cataract jack wrote on Jul 30, 2006 9:59 AM:
" Apparently, you know nothing about how people are hired. You don't look for people to hire, per se. You have a position to fill, and yes, it will be filled. But when interviewing the applicants, you are actually looking for reasons NOT to hire them. The least offending applicant wins. That is, unless, the perfect person applys, which is seldom, if ever. Welcome to life...it's tough, it's tougher if your'r stupid. "
like changes wrote on Jul 30, 2006 9:55 AM:
" I've recently have had negative feelings towards CCAP. I'm listed on the website for two counts of misdeamonors that I was CHARGED with over 5 years ago. I'm still listed on the website with these charges, even when I wasn't convicted of the offenses. I believe employers have looked me over due to these charges in my past. This is the reason I'm moving out of state for a job. I think they should only have the convicted offenses on the web site because I'm just as guilty as everybody else with my name on this website to employers. innocent until proven guilty. "
To: To: Legal Eagle & others wrote on Jul 30, 2006 9:55 AM:
" You are absoutely correct. People are taking CCAP as the gospel, as the absolute truth. They are morons. I am suprised they even know how to work a computer. You need to verify and confirm what is on CCAP. Glitches happen. I recall one case that the system "reopened" 18 months after it was closed. CCAP is an invaluable tool, but it is run by humans, and to err is human. "
To: Rick wrote on Jul 30, 2006 9:52 AM:
" Hey Rick, without more, would you hire someone with 4th DUI to drive your companies truck? Would you hire someone who was convicted of embezzlement to work your companies books? Would you hire a convicted pedafile to help your wife out at your day car? All hypotheticals, but I made my point and you lost yours. "
To: Legal Eagle & others wrote on Jul 30, 2006 9:50 AM:
" Not everyone on CCAP has committed a crime!!! When will some of you acknowledge that? Sometimes charges are dismissed, and that's what some of those idiots out there don't see. They see 'charges'--that doesn't mean the person was found guilty. That's the point of this article. People who use this service need to use it correctly, and that doesn't happen too often. People love to rush to judgment. "