Leif and Johnson wrote on Aug 6, 2006 2:56 PM:
" I find both the article from Father Leif (Caledonia) and Rev. Johnson (La Crosse) very disturbing. The Leif article especially smacked of anti-Semitism. "
I know you'll correct me if i'm wrong wrote on Aug 4, 2006 5:57 PM:
" Wasn't Heilemans bought by a guy who ran it bankrupt for a tax right off? Union had nothing to do with it going bust? "
I know you'll correct me if i'm wrong wrote on Aug 4, 2006 4:08 PM:
" Wasn't Heilemans bought by a guy who ran it bankrupt for a tax right off? Union had nothing to do with it going bust? "
Union Busters wrote on Aug 4, 2006 4:02 PM:
" Get paid big $$ to keep a little $$ out of hard working Americans. The Union Busters Master would like nothing more than to provide a minimum wage for their workers while making Millions themselves in Salary, Perks, Golden Parachute Severance Packages, etc. "
Future Sermons of Leif and Johnson wrote on Aug 4, 2006 11:32 AM:
" I am not a member of either Leif or Johnson's congregations, but I wonder what their next sermons will be like? "
sharral wrote on Aug 4, 2006 8:44 AM:
" You've got to be kidding!! You want to 'test the waters' with women first because that's less gross than men with men??? What do you all think? - that gay people are going to have sex in the middle of the street or something. How ignorant! Gay people are no diferent than straight; aside form their sexual preference, which I don't believe they choose. If everyone would stop whining about it would eventually not even be an issue. As usual, people stick their noses in where they really ought not be. You all should worry about important things like war, starving people, and abused children. Leave gay people alone. "
Leif-Johnson Duo wrote on Aug 4, 2006 4:20 AM:
" Do you noticed than no one else in their respective religious communities publically support the viewpoints of Father Leif of Caledonia and Rev. Johnson of La Crosse? Gee, why have we seen no letter of support from the senior pastor of English Lutheran or the Bishop of the Diocese of Winona? Maybe it's because this senior Lutheran pastor and this Roman Catholic bishop actually have some COMMON SENSE about them and do not want to be associated with the Leif-Johnson duo or their twisted viewpoints that smack of anti-Jewishness if not veiled antisemitism. "
Brian G Smith wrote on Aug 4, 2006 1:46 AM:
" Could anyone supporting Bush or Israel postulate one opinion dealing with a fact that I could respond to.....whatever galactic IQ you think you have. Thanks. Peace in the Middle East goes thru Jerusalem....I've said it from day one. Baghdad has SNAFU'D our chances. We have mistreated Arabs and Muslim sfor decades, the Aglo-Saxon have for Centuries. They have OIL. We need OIL. The rest is elementary. "
Ted Bockenhauer wrote on Aug 4, 2006 1:21 AM:
" Just an observation! I miss the day when you could take a man for his word and a and handshake meant the same as a signed contract! When he tells you that it is a matter of trust you could belive him! Don't you all miss that? If the t's aren't crossed and the i's aren't dotted you had better be careful nowadays cuss they will steal everything that you have and walk away with a smile on their face! It is just part of our life! Too bad that the world has gotten to this point to acquire the mighty "Buck"! "
Darral Faas wrote on Aug 4, 2006 12:20 AM:
" Whether Brian takes time away from this blog is his OWN business and all the words you conservatives use will only anger him more. He disagrees with me once in a while but I respect him for using facts that require me to research for truth. These blogs are seen by outsiders as more emotion than fact based. Those that use facts, I commend your efforts. Just because we cannot agree, should we resort to namecalling because you can not accept the truth? Research more and open your minds to other viewpoints. The world could become your oyster then. "
re: To union busters wrote on Aug 3, 2006 10:34 PM:
" No, republicans don't blame union members for anything. Maybe you'd be surprised to know that many many union members don't want to be in the union, but they work for union shops. We know democrats that are so greatly influenced by the union leaders and their confiscated dues to be the real problem because they ignore the pressures of the free market, arbitrarily set wages without consideration to value, and end up hurting the union (or minimum wage) workers they claim to help when the company can no longer afford their demands and remain competitive. -- Mr Moniker "
Unions have layers wrote on Aug 3, 2006 10:22 PM:
" The more you study them, the more you just wind up crying. The outer layer is tough and protects the inner core. The outer layer is also not very good for you. A little bit of the union can spice up a meal, but a huge union in a small meal will ruin the whole. Some people perfer unions, but others can live without them. I say allow them to exist, but don't make them mandatory. Finally, unions alone didn't make the middle exspand, it just helped. Unions don't produce more fat for the middle, but can encourage it. "
RE: To the dude with the 142 IQ wrote on Aug 3, 2006 10:06 PM:
" You've been duped by a liberal propaganda piece to think that Bush or any president's IQ has been tested and published. Underestimate Bush if you like. Family ties may have gotten him into school and his undergrad grades may have been mediocre, but they don't give MBAs out because of your name. As for Brian, just in this blog, he goes off on a tangent describing small events in the history of Israel as proof that they don't have a right to defend themselves from terrorists when they just signed treaties and withdrew from the gaza strip as promised while all other parties ignored it. That's called confusing the point. "
Question for Rev. Johnson and his followers wrote on Aug 3, 2006 9:55 PM:
" You keep saying that Lebonese civilians are being hit the hardest by Israel. What exactly does the Hezbolah's uniform look like? All of these terrorists are dressed in civilian clothes! Counting these terrorist cowards who hide among real civilians and use ambulances for transport is criminal. Israel is too smart to fall for their BS terrorist tactics (no offense Brian). No cease fire until they're all wiped off the face of the earth or you'll be fighting this war again every year or so. --Mr Moniker "
To union busters wrote on Aug 3, 2006 9:25 PM:
" Only Republicans try to bust unions. They think they are the reason that all the labor problems exist in this country. Only 12% of the people in this country belong to unions, and their the problem. Ugh huh. "
To the dude with the 142 IQ wrote on Aug 3, 2006 9:22 PM:
" I don't believe you but if your really telling the truth about that do you realize your IQ is 54 pts higher than George W's? That tells you what he's "holdin".And just so you know buddy boy, Brian never throws out "factoids" that are unrelated.He backs up everything he says on here.Maybe YOU could be more specific with your taunts instead of just trying to discredit people. "
Brian, me thinks you be confused. wrote on Aug 3, 2006 8:55 PM:
" I never suggested that you stop blogging altogether, just give it a 2 or 3 week break. You'll be amazed to see that the world survives quite well without your (or my) input. If you support Israel in their current position against Hesbollah, then I can say that I agree with you there. Frankly, I find your posts so egotistically over the top, that they are funny to me. But seriously, consider taking a break, it will do you a world of good. -Anonymous "
World Travelers wrote on Aug 3, 2006 6:36 PM:
" Some world travelers actually learn about the cultures they visit. Others carry their "cave" with them wherever they go while wearing this false mask of intellectual understanding of the world's problems. Isn't the internet the new "cave," like television once was Mr. Brian Smith? "
End Discrimination in Wisconsin wrote on Aug 3, 2006 6:20 PM:
" All Wisconsin citizens are equally discriminated against by restricting Gay marriage. All skin colors. Those that believe in a god and those that don't. Dems. Repubs. Rich. Poor. Smart. Dumb. etc. Being Gay or Lesbian is not limited to any of these groups so any group you belong to, they will probably belong to as well. "
rights vs discrimination wrote on Aug 3, 2006 6:09 PM:
" "All Wisconsin citizens are assured equal rights. No citizen can marry someone of the same sex." And Whites could only marry Whites. "
equal rights can mean discrimination wrote on Aug 3, 2006 6:07 PM:
" "All Wisconsin citizens are assured equal rights. No citizen can marry someone of the same sex." And women couldn't vote. "
Union busters wrote on Aug 3, 2006 5:48 PM:
" What a great forum for them to spred their lies. "
rights vs discrimination 2 dif things wrote on Aug 3, 2006 5:43 PM:
" All Wisconsin citizens are assured equal rights. No citizen can marry someone of the same sex." And Blacks could own blacks.
"
just me not Mr. 157 wrote on Aug 3, 2006 5:06 PM:
" what makes you think i am a Mr. any way. goes to show your ignorance "
Mr. 157... wrote on Aug 3, 2006 4:25 PM:
" I think you are fibbin'. I'm a mere 126 and I can see through you. "
To those who attack Brian wrote on Aug 3, 2006 4:23 PM:
" He really doesn't need any help from me, but I've seen BGS give specific examples time after time. All you guys do is call him names and then demand specifics again and again. He has supported his issues but you bozos ignore what he is saying and attack him personally. I don't know why the guy deals with this blog because he's obviously got it and you don't. Grow up and stop the BS. "
Agree w Kurz wrote on Aug 3, 2006 1:06 PM:
" Though Unions may have had their place during a different time that time is over. The Union mentality creates mediocracy because everyone is paid the same regardless of performance. Union dollars are used to protect workers that should be let go (absenteeism, poor work ethic, etc. ) This had been my experience. In my current job I am a "top performer" and am rewarded $$$ because of that. The lackadasical workers are left behind as they should be. "
just me wrote on Aug 3, 2006 11:29 AM:
" IQ=157 poor dumb brian "
RE: Re: Regarding Brian wrote on Aug 3, 2006 10:30 AM:
" Bury me? Easy there Kruschev. I've asked you plenty of specific questions over the few months I've been on this board. You ignore specifics, but throw out unrelated factoids to "prove" your points. I don't think they're a good measure of intelligence, but my I.Q. is 142. What are you holding? "
Just a thought... wrote on Aug 3, 2006 9:10 AM:
" Let people marry who they want to marry. It's not your life and the insitution of marriage is not what is was even 30 years ago. It is not something that is upheld with high honors anymore. More and more people get divorced everyday. It is simply a contract these days. Why should we ban a loving couple from the same contract? Let them be. They are the same as you and I. "
Dear Brian wrote on Aug 3, 2006 6:11 AM:
" Is everything a competition to you? I mention having spent time in Israel and you've spent 'more' time in 'more places'? That was hardly the point. All you want to do is one-up everyone. I mentioned my time in Israel because many who argue against it have never even been there and don't understand the history, culture or language. It's an important place for me and all you see is someone trying to compete with you. "
Dear "Regarding Brian" wrote on Aug 3, 2006 12:16 AM:
" My Passport has over 150 stamps.....I've lived in Europe for 9 years, been to the middle East, South America and all points Caribbean. You propably haven't left your momma's teet. I laugh at you pathetic cave dwelling dweebs....laugh whole heartedly. F.O. - Brian G Smith "
Re: Brian you should take a break.... wrote on Aug 3, 2006 12:12 AM:
" Posting on this blog is taking a break for me. I bust my a$$ every day at work...10-14 hours a day running a top shelf restaurant in Manhattan. I'll never stop blogging.....out of my dead hands......deal with it. - Brian G Smith "
Re: Regarding Brian wrote on Aug 3, 2006 12:10 AM:
" My I.Q. is double yours, no doubt. You criticize me but don't talk specifics. Please do so ...so I can publicly bury you. - Brian G Smith "
Re: Brian wrote on Aug 2, 2006 10:49 PM:
" You think I'm talking nonsense? I guess we will agree that we disagree about Israel. I've spent time in Israel and have experienced everyday life there. I agree Israel has been no 'saint', but I support it in its current operation against Hezbollah. Hezbollah is the one that crossed Israel's border to kidnap its soldiers, even after Israel left Lebanon. Everytime Israel gives in for peace, they become a doormat. No one has done anything to disarm Hezbollah, but they demand that Israel back off. Go figure. "
Greedy One wrote on Aug 2, 2006 10:44 PM:
" Let me clarify things for some. I lost my job when the brewery shut down. I went to school. I found a new job. I returned to the brewery as part of a team of dedicated and experienced former employees. In doing so I took a $1/hr pay cut. Call me stupid, but I wanted to be part of the rebirth,as did many of the others who came back. It couldn't of happened without us. We're not asking for much. If your not keeping up with the cost of living your losing ground. Heck, they can't even throw us a Christmas party without charging us $8.00 to attend. You call that "thanks for doing a great job"? Who's greedy? "
To: Greedy One wrote on Aug 2, 2006 10:35 PM:
" YES! I will make this year, if I can avoid another layoff, the exact same amount of money I made in 1993. I worked one job then, and now I am working two. I'd love your union job. If there is REALLY that much waste, then why aren't the GOOD union employees stepping up to reduce the waste? "
Can't stand conservatives wrote on Aug 2, 2006 9:07 PM:
" Hey Pal, if you feel that way about Brian, perhaps you should have just stayed away. You conservatives just can't stand intelligent people can you? (nor anyone that has a different viewpoint).You know he's going to stay on here just like me. Live with it! "
Brian, you should take a break! wrote on Aug 2, 2006 7:40 PM:
" After taking a 3 week break from the ridiculous banter on this comment board, I feel refreshed. It's kind of funny to peruse the editorial comments, and see that BGS is still flaming away. Brian, I suggest a 2 or 3 week break from the editorial comment board, it will do you a world of good. "
rick wrote on Aug 2, 2006 7:29 PM:
" as for "wanting" israel gone....... i don't know. Honestly? If Israel isn't strong enough to defend itself on it's own, perhaps it ought not endure. Darwinism works, people. Would you be okay with Ho-chunk being given all their land (and the homes and assets that stand on it) back while you enjoyed second class stature? Would you not pick up a gun and try and take that which you built up back? Would you not resent the powers that made their bid successful with military aid and non stop funneling of money? I'm thinking you would not be okay with it and that you would rise up to take your homes back. "
Regarding Brian wrote on Aug 2, 2006 5:08 PM:
" I've finally figured Brian out. He's a walking example of a little knowledge being dangerous. Typical liberal thinks he knows everything, but you couldn't fit what he doesn't know in the Grand Canyon and his reasoning ability is stuck at the fifth grade level. Brian are you a professor, because you sure talk like someone who's never lived in the real world? "
Re: No to Unions wrote on Aug 2, 2006 12:39 PM:
" You go to work, punch a clock, workl hard and get enough pay to keep you in Wal mart clothing. Meanwhile your boss, or executives don't punch a clock, don't do squat and get paid boatloads more than you. Join a UNION, it's your only defense against corporate robber barons. - Brian G Smith "
RE: To Brian G Smith wrote on Aug 2, 2006 12:37 PM:
" Your comments are very typical, hyperbolic nonsense. Israel received alot of love when formed....I mean....she was formed wasn't she out of the cooperation and consent of the UN? NO? "Neighboring" nations had and have every right to be perturbed, especially seeing the lack of concern or compensation for the displaced. The dichotomy of a "targeted" peoples treating others with such arrogance and contempt is breathtaking. Israel has NUKES. Israel shot a US Warship in 1967, Israel was one of the last friends of Apartheid South Africa, Israel sponsored Idi Amin and is a major player in fomenting war and revolution in the Congo and other diamond and gold mining regions. Israel is no saint and deserves to be treated as such. - Brian G Smith "
Agreeing.... wrote on Aug 2, 2006 11:05 AM:
" With compromise. This may be the best solution instead of all this bickering. Both sides can give a little. Start with women marrying legal to test the waters so to speak. I apologize if this sounds rude-I don't mean to offend-but 2 women is also "less gross" than 2 men, for lack of a better phrase. This would allow people to ease in and get used to the concept. Also, if gays want to be treated like everyone else, how about stopping all the goofy parades. You don't see hetero's having parades celebrating their bedroom practices. It just isn't normal, and if you want to be treated normal, act like it. "
No to unions wrote on Aug 2, 2006 10:33 AM:
" You and Joe work for a union. You work hard. Joe hardly works. You get paid the exact same wage and pay the same union dues.
Hey, if you want to give your hard earned money away, I'll send you my address and you can send it to me. "
Let he who is without sin wrote on Aug 2, 2006 8:38 AM:
" cast the 1st stone. Jesus actually said this when they were going to stone the prostitute. He then said to the prostitute "go and sin no more". He did not say go and continue to do what feels good or anything like that. Jesus did love the prostitute, just as he loves gays. But he was not afraid to call a sin a sin and tell people not to do it. Sorry, folks, he would not have been in favor of gay marriage. "
Re: Brian G Smith wrote on Aug 2, 2006 8:21 AM:
" Israel has received hatred since its existence. That won't change even if the U.S. would try to remain 'neutral'. Palestine was offered a chance at a state in 1948 but refused, stating it would not co-exist with Israel. Many (though not all) in the Arab world want Israel GONE. They won't stop until it is. Apparently you want it gone, too, but you just won't come out and actually say it. "
Again, to Rev. Leif wrote on Aug 2, 2006 7:36 AM:
" You must be one of the most gullible Roman Catholic priests I have ever come across. You believe this "Bashan's" story? I have some news for you Father: There was a mass migration of arabs from Palistine prior to the War of Independence at the coaxing of arab governments themselves. They wanted the arab population out of harm's way while tehir armies "pushed the Jews into the sea." These same governements (including that of christian Lebanon) did not attack the fledgling Jewish state to establish a Palistinian one; they did so for their own territorial ambitions: a Greater Lebanon, a Greater Syria, and expanded Egypt; and a true Trans-Jordan. No Palistinian state has EVER been declared. "
to: Darral Faas wrote on Aug 2, 2006 7:35 AM:
" We are in agreement regarding Israel. "
To Darral Faas wrote on Aug 2, 2006 7:32 AM:
" Do you ever sleep? I am beginning to wonder. "
To Rev. Leif wrote on Aug 2, 2006 7:23 AM:
" Perhaps you and your partner in editorial nonsense, Rev. Johnson of La Crosse, should go back to undergraduate school and take a lesson in history. The arabs who live in the holy land today ARE NOT descendants of those who gave us the Christian faith. They are descendants of wandering arabs who only recently (as far as history goes) decided to settle down in villages. Are you one of these poor, misguided priests who deny the importance of the Jewish faith to Catholicism? For the most part, the first christians were JEWISH. The first church was a JEWISH CHURCH. Christianity was a JEWISH SECT. The first pope was JEWISH -- and by the way, married. Do you honestly believe members of your congregation, your fellow priests,and the readers of the Tribune are going to believe your anti-zionist, anti-jewish rhetoric? "
Re Unions wrote on Aug 2, 2006 6:59 AM:
" Only 12% of the people belong to unions in this Country anymore. Don't fault them with all of the problems we face with employers today. According to the book "Labor Guide to Labor Laws" numerous decisions were handed down to the side of employers "for no apparent reason" during the 1980's.Labor Laws were gutted,especially after the air traffic controller fiasco. Unions have been losing their voice for decades now and it isn't because of union dues and how there spent. Laws will have to be changed if Unions ever hope to pick up any ground. Otherwise, multi-national corporations will continue to dominate the labor landscape. "
To: Slider wrote on Aug 2, 2006 6:49 AM:
" It isn't the lobbyist. Both Wisconsin senators are Jewish. If Feingold should win in 2008, what will follow will make the two Bushes( daddy and jr) war look like small potatoes. As long as we continue to send Jewish representatives to Washington, the US will never stop supporting Israel. "
Peace in the Middle East wrote on Aug 2, 2006 1:26 AM:
" Peace in the Middle East goes thru Jerusalem. The entire Arab and Eastern world dislikes us because we unfairly favor Israel and don't hold them to high standards. We supply them with the military technology to cruelly oppress a peoples they displaced (with our aid). Until we become a fair player...arbiter...in the process Israel will continue to bring more hatred upon her and ourselves. - Brian G Smith "
Dear Darral Faas wrote on Aug 2, 2006 1:19 AM:
" Israel is a Western made creation in the map of an ancient land. If Israel is to get "land" based on some questionable 2500 year old manuscripts with "God" playing real estate agent, then we might as well hand over Western Wisconsin to the appropriate Native Peoples Tribes, like the Sioux....Let's give back the entire Easter Seaboard to the Iroquois Nation. Facts as they were, there was no Israel....only Palestine. The area had Centuries of relative peace while advanced Europe was drowning in the blood of her wars. - Brian G Smith "
Darral Faas wrote on Aug 2, 2006 12:28 AM:
" To Hal: I wish I knew what we agreed on for a change. Maybe there is hope for us both afterall. "
Darral Faas wrote on Aug 2, 2006 12:24 AM:
" To rick: While I agree with your general conclusions concerning WWII, it was US that in general rescued the Jews in Europe from the Nazis. Reasoning aside, it was our manpower and ample minitions that pushed forth to defeat Germany and the end result was helping the Jews. Simplistic yes, difficult certainly yet the results are true. And whether for business or humanitarian reasons, a strong ally in Israel is better than the false ones built up in Iraq and other countries by the United States in years past. Those failures are costing us lives and tax dollars today. As far as a voice goes, if you don't participate fully in your life which may include unions, schools, church, social or political groups or government, then you cannot affect change. "
Concerned About Hypocrites wrote on Aug 2, 2006 12:09 AM:
" Jesus taught his followers that they should love their neighbors as they love themselves, that they should not judge others (or they'll be judged themselves), that "He who is without sin should cast the first stone", and that they should treat each other with respect and compassion. It's shameful that so many contemporary "Christians" spend much of their time AVOIDING the words of Jesus in favor of Leviticus, Paul, and any other text that supports their hatred of gay people. Such hypocrisy is truly non-Christian behavior. "
Re: Pat Hoff wrote on Aug 1, 2006 11:05 PM:
" To Pat Hoff: I couldn't have said it better. Outstanding letter. "
Re: Greedy One wrote on Aug 1, 2006 10:43 PM:
" It doesn't matter what your wage was 10 years ago. Your company left and hence the job was gone. When you started working for a new company things started over. You accepted the job knowing it'd take some sacrafice to get the ball rolling for the brewery. And you might be only offered 1.22 raise but on top of the $16/hr wage that's not too bad of a living to make beer. "
HAL wrote on Aug 1, 2006 10:21 PM:
" Holy Balls! I agree with FAAS! Somebody slap me! "
Darral Faas wrote on Aug 1, 2006 9:40 PM:
" I believe Fred Kurtz is dead wrong on this one. We lost Heilman's the day shareholders sold out to the Bond corporation. Once local ownership was lost, control and company assets began disappearing too. Now this company has had time to start up with employees working enormous amounts of mandatory overtime and seven day work weeks, thus the generating company's profits. All they want is a better share for their labor. Sorry, $1.22 an hour raise over six years without stable health insurance costs is like giving more concessions to the company. Even I get minimum 25 cent raises and would outpace them over six years. And they work constantly to produce that beer you may be drinking right now. So enjoy that brew and remember a union person did his/her best to make sure you were able to enjoy it. "
rick to Mr. Fass wrote on Aug 1, 2006 9:34 PM:
" Firstly, the Second World War in Europe was NOT about "freeing Jews." It was about freeing EUROPE from Nazi tyrany so that BUSINESS could once again take place. Most Americans knew that Jews were treated harshly by the Nazis. We had no idea how bad it really was until towards the very end of combat. America's moral obligation is hardly a moral one. The people who are at the financial control of vast sums of monies and assets in this country are the staunchest supporters of Israel. Our government dances to their tune because they know whos hand is feeding them. Corporate Rule is in play only you people think it's democracy and you actually have a voice. You do have a voice. It's just that no one in power cares about what we or you or I say. "
r. on gay marriage and Jesus wrote on Aug 1, 2006 9:28 PM:
" Actually, if you read the same OT that Jesus preached from, it mentions in Leviticus how it's an abomination for a man to lay with another man OF THE TEMPLE ON THE SABBATH. Prostitution, as long as it wasn't adulterous, was not only legal, but marginally accepted. The law merely said that as homosexuality was a little off the norm, it was just not something to go and BUY on the Sabbath at the Temple. This is from the Aramaic text. It was edited down into the gay basher's mantra by English transcribers in the dark ages. Given Jesus' penchant for TOLERANCE and LOVING ONE'S NEIGHBOR AS ONESSELF, I, being a Christian, have no problem accepting the possibility that Jesus would be okay with two people pledging their undying love to one another in the sight of God and family. "
I second up with unions wrote on Aug 1, 2006 9:25 PM:
" Unions through the years has made the middle class what it is. They do serve and important function. Salaries without unions would be alot lower, probally stop all the immigration into this country. Merit does not work if the bum above you or next to you is taking credit for all you work, behind your back. "
Darral Faas wrote on Aug 1, 2006 8:47 PM:
" Israel has every right to defend itself because it is a Jewish state in an Arab region. And the Arabs have been trying to rid themselves of Israel since its recreation in 1948. Palestine cannot coexist on the same lands as Israel. Israel is doing the same thing we did to the Taliban in Afghanistan. Until the Arab world accepts Israel's right to exist and do so in peace, war will always plague the region. And the US does have a moral obligation to aid Israel against its neighbors. Afterall, who led the fight to free the Jews from Nazi Germany? So you wonder why they fight to survive. Think about it. "
Darral Faas wrote on Aug 1, 2006 8:37 PM:
" To Greedy One: I have and it took me 15 years to finally reach the wages I was getting in 1991. So that is why I have no savings account or investments. I needed to survive on what I could make. However, I understand trying to make life better for myself and those around me. And when it comes to factory work, unions are better than sweatshops. The violations of sweatshops are at times life threatening. So I say fix the unions from within by being a voice for change and remove the dead weight. That way your dues are not going to waste. "
Darral Faas wrote on Aug 1, 2006 8:26 PM:
" To Union Supporter: Your comment is right on the money. Unions are not perfect but nonunions matter are not either. Without unions, there is no middle class and the race to the bottom that conservatives and businesses want would happen in a heartbeat. Then who would pay for the stinking war in Iraq? Education? Defense? Highways? Social Security? Its not the wealthy? "
Darral Faas wrote on Aug 1, 2006 8:18 PM:
" To Krusty: I also fought for unionizing a local nursing home in La Crosse. Management had lost both purpose and control of matters there and were not listening to their employees. Once the drive took place and we won the election, management would not bargain in good faith. Its there where things must change for the better of the employees. I served on the negotating committee and observed firsthand the stonewalling process of the company. I have worked for good management and bad. I know the difference between the two. Good companies do everything in their power to truly share the profits with their employees and don't treat them as adversaries, rather as partners in the game of profit. Where I work now, I am more involved with everyday functions of the place and my input is being respected. I believe my union experience was part of that progress. "
J.E. wrote on Aug 1, 2006 6:41 PM:
" To - Kent Johnson - I guess you believe that Israel doesn't have a right to exist then. Israel has been given the right to exist under U.N. Res. 108, passed in 1917 and re-ratified in 1948. And yet the U.N. doesn't seem interested in defending Israel - why?
I guess you also believe following this same logic, that you should give up your home to some Indian. It was their land first! Too much force? Germany never attacked us, Japan did. Did we use Excessive force against Germany then? Would you rather have lived under Hitler than FDR? Israeli's also have suffered at the hands of Hezbollah, the same people who bombed the US barracks in 1983. I guess you either don't know all of the facts or just forgot them.
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Your Kidding Right? wrote on Aug 1, 2006 6:22 PM:
" Are some people out there that dumb? First of all, Isreal is are second biggest supporter after england of course. Anyone who fights agains them isn't very smart, because they wont win...second of all, Why is it that liberals dont want us getting involved in other nation's business, but when it comes to humanitarian aid, we are the first nation that they all come too...If you want us to stay out of everyone elses business, then that includeds humanitarian aid too...Cant have it both ways... Jacob Strong "
Greedy One wrote on Aug 1, 2006 4:57 PM:
" Does Mr Kurtz or any other letter writer even know what our union contract was or what we are currently turning down? I doubt it. The "phoenix" did not rise from the ashes on it's own. $1.22 over six years is not keeping up. If those on the outside could take a look at the inner workings of the place, they would see enough waste to dwarf our "greed". Think of the U.S. government on a small scale. We have sacrificed to the "phoenix". We that returned to the brewery to help revive it are making less than we were ten years ago. Are you? Would you work for your wages of ten years ago. I doubt it. "
Krusty wrote on Aug 1, 2006 4:34 PM:
" Where did that comment come from "don b"? No one was talking about our troops. I also believe you're a bonehead "don b" your mechanic, doctor, and dentist didn't have to live in a foreign hostile country and watch their friends and co-workers die horrific deaths. Our troops deserve alot more respect and admiration than most people, "don b" When is the last time your mechanic had to worry about IED's on the drive to work? "
Union Guy wrote on Aug 1, 2006 4:29 PM:
" I agree with some of both sides of the union arguement. But do you really think America would be the country it is today without them. The middle class society which makes this country tick arose from unions providing people with good pay and benefits, providing them with economic power that created more businesses and jobs. This created the need for non-union employers to provide decent wages also to keep good help. I'm afraid the union is a necessary evil. "
RE: Union Supporter wrote on Aug 1, 2006 4:27 PM:
" You're missing the point. Nobody said that Union workers don't have better pay and benefits, but do they deserve it? More often then not, now the market is telling us no. They have been pricing themselves out of jobs for decades now and often bringing down companies and towns with them. Who believes that an unskilled union worker on an assembly line should make more then a skilled non-union college graduate? The free market in a global economy just won't bare that out. Goodbye La Crosse factory. Hello Mexico, Korea, China, etc. "
Sorry Mary, He would not wrote on Aug 1, 2006 4:10 PM:
" Jesus knew AC from DC. AC fits very well with DC. DC and DC don't work. AC and AC don't work. Only one "in" and one "out." Jesus was smart enough to know this. We are all smart enough to know this. Men were made for women, women made for men. Nothing in between! Don't try to justify your misguided beliefs by saying our God would say it's ok. "
Pat Hoff's... wrote on Aug 1, 2006 4:08 PM:
" letter was meant as a joke. No one can make a case that Jesus would have been in favor of gay marriage, no matter what your views on the legality of gay marriage. I have no problem with people pushing the gay agenda(everyone has a right to lobby for their causes), but don't make a mockery of Christianity while doing so. "
Did anyone notice Krusty actually made a good point wrote on Aug 1, 2006 3:36 PM:
" Normally krusty's posts arn't helpful within the discussion but for once he made a good point. Unions are nothing but a downfall these days. I use to work part time with full time unionized employees who were the laziest workers I have ever seen. They knew the union would protect them, so they did as little work as possible. The oldest workers were always the first to get promoted even though they were usually the laziest ones there. The people who worked hard to earn the promotions never were promoted, instead they just left leaving open posistions to hire more lazy workers. The union did nothing for those full time workers except taught them how to sit around all day doing nothing. As for unions in general, they never seem to be willing to settle on an agreement unless they get everything their way. "
To Rev. Johnson wrote on Aug 1, 2006 3:34 PM:
" Thankfully, the majority of your congregation does not support your anti-Israel viewpoint. The zionists among them will continue to support the Jewish state in any way possible. You have absolutely no business using your position as a pastor to further your twisted viewpoint of the truth. I ask the members of the congregation: Is this the type of Lutheran minister now being produced in seminaries? Is this the type of pastor you want to continue being your spiritual guide? (Maybe Rev. Johnson forgot to take history in his pre-seminary or seminary training.) What will Rev. Johnson do next to embarrass and ANGER members of his congregation? Just how far will those church members in positions of trust and authority put up with this guy? I also noticed that the other pastors at English Lutheran did not sign on to Johnson's disgusting letter. "
Mary's response to Pat wrote on Aug 1, 2006 3:15 PM:
" What a carefully reasoned letter to the editor, Pat. I am positive that Jesus would vote NO on the amendment on November 7, just as all fair minded Wsiconsin residents will do. "
Compromise wrote on Aug 1, 2006 2:56 PM:
" How about allowing women to marry each other but not men? We as a society could see how it goes for a couple years, and then make a decision regarding men. "
Union Supporter wrote on Aug 1, 2006 2:53 PM:
" I agree with some of the comments about unions protecting people who shouldn't be protected. But on the other hand how many people would the company get rid of for sticking up for the safety, hours and working conditions of all workers. Unions make sure everyone gets paid the same amount for the same classification. On a whole union workers have better pay and benefits then non-union workers and that is the bottom line. "
Mary Z wrote on Aug 1, 2006 2:16 PM:
" I heartily agree with Rev Johnson. Unfortunately too many people on both sides are committed to war and destruction, more than are committed to peace. This military operation will solve nothing and will further galvanize the Lebanese and for that matter the rest of the Arab world against Israel. Hezbollah is presently for the first time enjoying 80% support of the Lebanese amongst not only Shia but Sunni and Maronite Christian population. Doesn't anybody get this?! Also where is the public outcry against Israel for violating it's 48 hr ceasefire agreement within hours, with the explanation that it was "to provide cover for ground troops." Even Hezbollah held off on rocket launches yesterday, and only 3 mortar rounds were fired. Now Israel is going to try to inflict as much damage as possible by expanding their ground offensive. To what end? "
I second "Down with Unions!!!" wrote on Aug 1, 2006 2:13 PM:
" 1) City Brewery should say "this the way it is", if you go on strike...you are all FIRED.
2) Then City Brewery should hire people who want to work and are pay the people by MERIT. That way the hard working worker doesn't get the same lousy pay raise as the lazy bum next to them.
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didn't do anything for me wrote on Aug 1, 2006 1:40 PM:
" I was a Teamster for five years. The only thing I got out of it was a smaller pocket book. When I did need the union, I was sexually harassed by the Teamster representative during the hearing!!! I also saw the union protecting employees that should have been kicked out the door. I'm no fan of unions. But on the flip side, employers can be bad guys too. They need to pay fair wages for a fair days work. If they want good employees, they need to offer benefits. There is a give and take that needs to take place. Unfortunately, Teamsters only know how to take. "
Don B wrote on Aug 1, 2006 1:27 PM:
" Lets keep things in perspective folks. Yes , I too thank the troops returning from abroad for doing a fine job. I also thank my doctor , my kids dentist , the cops for protecting my town , the road crews for building new roads. I thank the farmer that milks his cows every day so I can have cheese on my pizza and ice cream for dessert. Thanks to my mechanic , the teachers and the restaurant workers. The rest of the US didnt take a vacation when the troops left but we dont celebrate those who do their job every day do we? I went to college and paid my own way for the training I got. I believe Uncle Sam has paid for our soldiers. I dont begrudge them but lets not act like they're the only productive folk on earth either. "
Hey Rick wrote on Aug 1, 2006 12:35 PM:
" Speaking of countries being handed lock, stock, etc. - what about Palestine that was created, as was Israel -under the UN in 1948 (UN General Assembly Resolution 181? Israel has been recognized by international agreement, yet the Arab states can't get their act together even in vain attempts to take over Israel. The Palestinians have squandered multiple chances at living in peace in their own country because their Arab "friends" encourage foolish confrontation and religious-inspired murder. Sad for us all. "
Krusty wrote on Aug 1, 2006 11:47 AM:
" It's obvious that "darral" isn't in a Union or he wouldn't be talking about how great it is. Take about $40 a month and throw it away and have the lazy guy next to you get promoted before you because he started there a few days before you, thats what a union does for you. "
Amazed wrote on Aug 1, 2006 10:55 AM:
" It is just amazing how some people can completely overlook the fact that the Hezbollah "fighters" hide behind their women and children. They place their weapons of the roofs of schools or in apartment buildings. Then when innocent civilians get killed they riot in the streets when it was their own fault. They do not care about their families or they wouldn't put them in danger like that. They think they are so tough, but they are a bunch of cowards. "
Re:Pat Hoff wrote on Aug 1, 2006 10:53 AM:
" All Wisconsin citizens are assured equal rights. No citizen can marry someone of the same sex. "
Go US GO ISRAEL wrote on Aug 1, 2006 10:46 AM:
" unreal,only libs can spin the blame on the US and Israel.Boy them poor terrorists,why don't you guys go over and help them.You will arrive back safely I'm sure.Maybe headless but safe.Go US and go Israel blow them terrorists off the face of the earth!!!! "
rick wrote on Aug 1, 2006 9:48 AM:
" since when does getting a country handed to you lock stock and barrel by the US/UK because someone ELSE treated you horribly give you the right to exist on someone else's land? since when does that give you the right to "assert" these rights every six or seven years? The Palestinians are merely trying to reclaim that which was taken from them BY FORCE fifty years ago. If the tables were turned and Palestinians were trying to keep Jews in ghettos and restrict their business ventures while they themselves sat in abject power, we would have three times as many troops dying in the streets of Haifa, Tel Aviv, and Jerusalem as we do in Iraquistan because we'd have ten times the presence. Why? Because Israel's staunchest supporters control the majority of wealth and commerce in the USA. "
re Re @ 0905 wrote on Aug 1, 2006 9:46 AM:
" I agree - it is interesting that criticism is directed at Israel and yet very little regarding Hezbollah or the civilians who tolerate and support them. It would seem that Hezbollah militia is the de facto armed force for Lebanon, and the national government has no interest in disarming them. The same can be said for Hamas - both receiving support from "the street" and Iran. It is sad that civilians are involved, but there has been widespread support for Hezbollah and Hamas by the civilian population - obviously no real interest in exploring a peaceful resolution to long term regional problems. Yet Israel has signed and honored peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan.So who are the real bullies? "
just me wrote on Aug 1, 2006 9:37 AM:
" well DF all you say may be true on paper about the unions but today more than anything the union is there to protect the peice of trash employee. unions are only as strong as the people in it, but too many times you are forced into a union. unions make it tougher to get quality workers in to replace that peice of crap worker that can't be rid of. companies do look at profits first but don't think that the union leaders are searching for their next meal. "
Concerned About Greg wrote on Aug 1, 2006 9:16 AM:
" Greg, perhaps you and Mel Gibson should get together and form a new church - one that blames Jews for everything. No, wait, that's already been done - by the Ku Klux Klan....nevermind. "
To Rev. Leif wrote on Aug 1, 2006 9:16 AM:
" You are clueless if that is actually what you believe. The monsters who border Israel have been nothing but terrible to Israel. Israel is not a bully. They are just a well prepared country that is not going to tolerate crap from these terrorist states. "
Re wrote on Aug 1, 2006 9:05 AM:
" I notice none of you seem to be getting upset with Hezbollah for hiding among civilian populations. Naturally, you put all the blame on Israel. At least they don't keep their weapons in peoples' homes and fire them from residential neighborhoods. I hate that civilians are getting killed, but I'm angry with Hezbollah for purposely putting Lebanese civilians in harms way. They seem to welcome it, as everyone is blaming Israel and not them. "
Re: Rev Leif wrote on Aug 1, 2006 8:47 AM:
" What's your point in going out of your way to state that many Israelis aren't religiously observant, only to go on and state how the Arab Christians helped hand your faith down to you today? I've also been in Israel and while many don't attend synagogue or observe Sabbath on a regular basis, they still identify themselves as being Jewish regardless of their level of religious observation. I know a lot of non-practising, Catholics, too. I suspect you used those points because your problems with Israel go deeper than with its leaders and policies. "
Bullies? Let them fight their fight how they need to fight it! wrote on Aug 1, 2006 8:02 AM:
" If it was the goal of the United States to "wipe Canada off the map", don't you suppose that Canada may fight back? And don't you suppose that Canada would need to be ready for anything and everything given the obliteration that their neighbor wants to put on them? And do you suppose that Canada may want to push their enemy off the doorstep to give themselves a little space? That is exactly what Isreal is doing. If terrorist are lining up on the border, move the border back 50 miles so they can't strike your cities with their weapons. "
Hey Leif wrote on Aug 1, 2006 7:53 AM:
" The Israelis want peace. If they throw down their weapons, the terrorists will slaughter them. The only peace they can achieve will be when Hezbollah and Hamas have either been disarmed or destroyed. "
To Kent Johnson wrote on Aug 1, 2006 7:51 AM:
" I know Rev. Johnson. He is an honest man and has a warm heart. His heart is so warm, it often bleeds more than necessary. A couple of years ago, Mr. Johnson led a campaign to strip the Israelis of their right to have a wall on their own border. He has opposed Israel's quest to keep their own territory, and has rallied against the country's right to keep the terrorists at bay. It is sad that civilians have to die, but the Lebanese (who mostly support Hezbollah) have encouraged the terrorists to set up camp in their mosques, under their homes, and in the corner grocery stores. "
SLIDER wrote on Aug 1, 2006 5:39 AM:
" Send the lobbistist back to Israel, and stop making foreign policy to the liking of Israel, we are our own country they need to do their own policy to their own liking and leave the United States out of it and all their murdering. They talk about tyrants look no further than ISRAEL. I don't hate the people just how they do things and we accept that in this country (our leaders). Our decider needs to step up once and demand that this Lebonon thing needs to stop now and impose immediate santions to Israel. They also need to disarm their necular arsonal. "
SLIDER wrote on Aug 1, 2006 5:37 AM:
" I agree that we need to stop supporting Israel, what did they ever do for us in America, besides start conflicts, pork barrel financial aid from the US. Their leadership needs a REGIME change and they need to stop bullying other people around and give the land back to the people who rightfully were there. The US needs to stop all financial, weapons, and their lobbistist right now. "
Darral Faas wrote on Aug 1, 2006 1:06 AM:
" To Pat Hoff: Nice letter. I am sure the conservative crowd won't approve but who cares? They are so into themselves as being righteous, they forget this country is about liberty and just for all...not just them. "
Darral Faas wrote on Aug 1, 2006 1:02 AM:
" Unions serve a purpose. They're there when things aren't right for workers. Companies goals are profits first and how employees help make them. Paying union dues is like making monthly payments for legal help when dealing with the company. You may think you may never need them, but they're there when you do. Without unions, wages are stagnant, benefits are usually unaffordable, and you go it alone if the company wants you gone. And its the threat of unionization that makes some employers offer what they do for employees. Finally, the political work unions fight for their workers include OSHA, minimum wage, the 40-hour work week, and other positive laws and programs for workers. Without unions, we would be working for slave labor conditions like that of sweatshops. With unions, you're in it together. So if your union is failing you, take action and make it better. "
Richard Granum (Holmen, WI) wrote on Aug 1, 2006 12:56 AM:
" For peace in the middle east, both Isreal and Lebonon must be disarmed. Neither side should be able to use weapon stamped 'made in America' or 'paid by Americans.' "
Down with Unions wrote on Aug 1, 2006 12:08 AM:
" The City Brewers workers shoudl get rid of there Union. Why do you want to work for and send monthly dues to people in Madison when the owners and jobs are from the region. What can the Union truely do for you that the owners wouldn't do if things were properly negotiated. Wouldn't you rather do what is best for the Brewery than due what's best for the Teamsters. I know I'd rather have my money reinvested in a local business that a union 120 miles away who would rather be involved in political actions than local business. "