Truth wrote on Sep 17, 2006 3:26 AM:
" It's "all about the Money" if you increase tuition $1,300/yr AND increase enrollment by 1,00 students. Clear as a blue sky! "
to UWL wrote on Sep 16, 2006 10:08 AM:
" I rarely agree with C. Weeth on anything, but his complaint regarding the UWL being a bad neighbor is exactly correct. They, like Gund-Luth and St. Franny's, should have built Ramps 30 years ago. But Surface Parking is always cheaper, so that was the way they went.
The problem is the "leaders" they hire seem to be more interested in their next job. And of course, as anyone from La Crosse knows, in order to get "good people", you have to get them from someplace else.
Basically, UWL is saying to La Crosse youth, rich, middle class & poor, we do not want you here.
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to mikey wrote on Sep 16, 2006 9:57 AM:
" That sounds like the "military" way. When they cut funds, let it trickle down so that someone who has nothing to do with it gets hurt the most. Whatever happened to "dealing with what they have and making it work". "
Mikey wrote on Sep 13, 2006 9:48 PM:
" I don't hink this is a viable solution. A beter aproach would be to get the legislature to see what impact the Republican controlled budget cuts are having by proposing tough choices that kill programs and sports. Cut football and see what heppens! Cut Microbiology enrollment and see if they pay attention. How can more students solve a budget shortfall when each student is subsidized by the legislature? "
Nestor wrote on Sep 13, 2006 9:36 PM:
" My "vast knowledge". My knowledge is normal. What has happened is that the average Joe has given up and has no interest in how his money is spent. Delegating himself to the mindset that, 'it is no use, I am just a little guy, etc'. I for one do not accept that. "
Nestor wrote on Sep 13, 2006 9:34 PM:
" To: Its true
-I never said I know anything about teaching. I did say that the Lax schools pay/benefits are higher all across the board than their private sector and neighboring school counterparts. I did say that 20.12% contribution to retirement was absurd.
-If you pretend this UWL expansion is not about money you are running interference or are ignorant (not stupid, 'ignorant').
-The Lotz deal was there to be disected by all. It was by many and I do not near stand alone in awe at the shennanigans. A lot of plans were changed. A lot of plans that hinged on aquiring another mans property. "We had a verbal agreement", WAAAAAA!!!!!!!! "
It's true wrote on Sep 13, 2006 8:32 PM:
" Nestor does know everything about everything. Teaching, UW-L, Art Lotz. It's amazing he doesn't run for office, with that vast knowledge he could rule the world. "
Good deal wrote on Sep 13, 2006 8:11 PM:
" The students should be happy to pay higher tuition if they are getting paid $23,000 more per year than the HS grad. "
a concerned UW alumnus wrote on Sep 13, 2006 7:48 PM:
" This approach is wrong, and will steer students and their parents AWAY from UW-LaCrosse, not attract them to it. Why would a non low-income, non-minority student -- who could obtain a comparable UW education elsewhere -- now choose to apply to UW-LaCrosse with this plan on the table? Why couldn't administration, faculty or staff predict the fall-out of this idea? It makes little sense, is a poor use of taxpayer dollars and has considerably damaged, not helped, the reputation of this campus. Very disappointed. "
Nestor knows all wrote on Sep 13, 2006 6:55 PM:
" Why a rational discussion of the issues is impossible. "
Nestor wrote on Sep 13, 2006 5:55 PM:
" "He claims this is another way to get money from the UW system", where in the world did you read or hear that? Lets clear the record, This is a way to 'get' money from the cash cow foreign students. I do not care how these people split the loot back at the hideout after they raise it. It is already spent anyway. It is like paying for credit card payment with another credit card. "
Nestor wrote on Sep 13, 2006 5:49 PM:
" Bob Monk states, "Access for all to higher education always earns the best dividends", of course it does Bob, who would argue that point. Although at what cost others?
"it remains a noble truth", it is your version of the truth Bob.
I cannot help but conjure up a vision of someone in a Toga making these statements with large hand gestures. Although it does little to guise the ineveitable ramificiations on other students, and the gold that is sure to fall out of the UWL chariots on the trip. In hands that did not earn it. On another matter Bob, who did you know in your relavent profession that reaped a 20.12% contribution towards their retirement? "
Nestor wrote on Sep 13, 2006 5:31 PM:
" Like the UWL system is not going to stick their fingers in the pie? Like a priest will not be dispatched to take 9 million from a polish parish? Please do not get confused here. This is simply a money raising scheme. Once again we are so dim that, they know better, we know little, and the real reason could not be just plain shared on top of the table. Where do you think this is coming from? Just from 'Brent on every Board'. I don't think so. The thought is laughable that someone would think that this will make UWL "self sufficient". Like they would ever give up an power, asssets, or money in Madison, its absurd. This is about money. period!!! It smells from every other direction. But it will happen, they know better. "
Bob Monk wrote on Sep 13, 2006 4:11 PM:
" This is a very good and cogent editorial. Access for all to higher education always earns the best dividends -- by many measures. Is this debateble? Of course. But it remains a noble truth. "
More tuition? wrote on Sep 13, 2006 3:22 PM:
" How does that help students who will only come out of college with even more debt on their shoulders? With the interest they'll pay on those loans that $1500 tuition increase will cost them many times that. This is a F---ed up idea and the Tribune ought to know better! Idiots! "
I Disagree wrote on Sep 13, 2006 3:07 PM:
" So I'm at odds with Nestor again, there's a shock. He claims this is another way to get money from the UW system, but I see it as the first step for UW-L to lose the UW. Increased tuition and size will eventually allow La Crosse to break away from the UW system. I still see it being supported in some way by the state, but becoming more self-sufficient, and that HAS to make Nestor happy if it actually happened. "
Jeff wrote on Sep 13, 2006 3:07 PM:
" The university is making the best of a bad situation. I'm paying for a current UW-L student. I'd far prefer both that tuition not go up and that the legislature not keep cutting the UW budget. But if UW L is to continue attracting the best students & staff its going to have to do something-- haven't seen a better or more fair plan.
UW L always ranks number two after Madison and it only makes sense that it costs a bit more than the other campsuses and a bit less than Madison.
I received undergrad and grad degrees from UW Madison--was once one of those poor students who got aid. Now my kid may be considered one of the well-off students costs...That's what access to top quality education can do for people.
SO please stop bashing UW-L and stop inflaming racial and economic passions! "
So What wrote on Sep 13, 2006 2:00 PM:
" In other words make the rich give to the poor.......like we need more of that going on in this country! "
Off Topic (Comic's) wrote on Sep 13, 2006 1:57 PM:
" 5 Comic's in The Tribune i'd like to see 86'd
Cow & Boy: "Asinine", plus that boy kinda looks like a space alien, Family Circus, Fox Trot & Zits: "Annoying", & Get Fuzzy: This comic look's like the artist is on drug's "
To Nestor wrote on Sep 13, 2006 1:47 PM:
" Every institution whether it is government, business or a non-profit engages in "social engineering". That is how society has always worked and always will. "
Local wrote on Sep 13, 2006 12:56 PM:
" So where do they expect these extra students to go? There isn't enough housing for the current enrollment. "
So stupid wrote on Sep 13, 2006 12:00 PM:
" Students should be admitted on their MERITS, CREDENTIALS and QUALIFICATIONS. Not the color of their skin or their income levels. If a student qualifies via GPA or SAT scores then every means should be used to help them out financially. But turning away one qualified student simply to make room for a "minority" or "poor" student is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Minorities don't WANT to come to La Crosse. I don't blame them. Why are we working so hard to change this? If they want to go to UWL they will apply. Don't force the issue at the expense of others. "
Nestor wrote on Sep 13, 2006 11:39 AM:
" To: Nate
Now you need to answer or find out how many of those students were cash cows in the form of foreign students? "
Nestor wrote on Sep 13, 2006 11:16 AM:
" "Negative attention", and rightly so. This is a ruse to find more money for the UW system, period!!! "
Nestor wrote on Sep 13, 2006 11:02 AM:
" It is called scocial engineering. Like our City Council desiring to ask for health care and retirement benefits for all future developers and their workers. Can you believe that? "
Nate wrote on Sep 13, 2006 10:48 AM:
" As a UW-Madison student I compiled several research papers on the University's efforts to diversify their student population. It is true that companies seek diversified universities but it is only to meet their AFFIRMATIVE ACTION requirements. They are not seeking students who have been submersed in a diverse student body. My research showed that of the minority students given preferential treatment for admission, fifty percent dropped out after the first year. Lowering academic standards and tuition for minority students to enroll does not create an environment they can compete with once at the university. Nearly all efforts for this diversification in Madison have been a long-term failure. I suggest the administrators in La Crosse promoting these efforts should move to Madison and assist that university with its failed programs. Why bring down two ships? "
Mistake wrote on Sep 13, 2006 9:10 AM:
" I am a UW-L alumni this news hurts me alot. From my start at UW-L I saw tuition rise from 1,400 and see that it is now 2,777 a semester (raised 1,300 in under 10 years). Now they want to raise it another 1,300 a year at roughly 3,400 a year or 7,000 a semster to attend your school. At those rates I would have chosen another school. I worked a full time job just to break even, under todays rates I'd be in debt. I can't belive that the university is content in allowing a select few a free ride at the welfare of a mandatory many. Ironically the mandatory payers will be receiving a reversal of fortune and be unable to afford anything, while the select few will be making maney. "
Dick wrote on Sep 13, 2006 9:09 AM:
" I can't understand the logic. You will raise 15 million to get 1000 more students, which is 150,000.00 per student. You also are using the argument that poor students and minorities can't attend LaCrosse so you raise the tuition for State residents at the same time you lower tuition for out of State students. I hope you invest your own retirement money better than you are spending the State's money. "
concerned parent wrote on Sep 13, 2006 8:16 AM:
" I have children who would be in the low income status but do not think that middle and upper class families should have to pay more so my kids can get more financial aid if they attend UWL. This idea is just further alienating potential students, donors and the community. "
Eric Thomas wrote on Sep 13, 2006 8:12 AM:
" This idea is simply "AFFIRMATIVE ACTION" repackaged. Giving certain groups "MINORITIES/DISADVANTAGED" preferential treatment in the past has proved to be a failure, so what would be different this time?
Read the Milwaukee Journal. See what Police Chief Nanette Hegerty has to say regarding the "SOCIETAL CRISIS" involving certain groups of people/neighborhoods in the Milwaukee area.
If people wish to avoid a life of poverty; they need to at least graduate from high school, avoid teenage pregnancies amoung unwed mothers, and consistently be engaged in gainful employment. The problems that create so-called goups of "MINORITIES/DISADVANTANGED"
need to be addressed long before these people are old enough to attend college. "
Matt wrote on Sep 13, 2006 4:53 AM:
" Stupid idea. Charge poor students more do that even poorer students can attend. Why can these so called "poor" Students take out stafford loans like everyone else. If this type of socalism happends, UWL can forget my yearly donation. "
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