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Published - Wednesday, September 27, 2006

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A big issue for Neshonoc Lake District


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Residents of the Neshonoc Lake District recently received a survey from La Crosse County that asks, “Should La Crosse County sell public lands along the shoreline of Lake Neshonoc to adjacent property owners at a fair market value?”

As one of those adjacent landowners, I feel that this question is somewhat misleading without knowing all the facts that have prompted this La Crosse County staff survey.
This question has nothing to do with selling Swarthout Park or the South Shore Park, or any other valuable shoreline land to developers or anyone else.

What this question refers to is 15 very small pieces of land on both sides of Lake Neshonoc. The properties in question are basically the front yards of some of the cottages on the lake. None of these small parcels have any public easements or access except from the water. In our case, it is 50 feet of our front yard.

The reason these properties are in question is due to an inaccurate survey that was done in 1940 prior to the new dam flooding the east end of the lake. In the survey there were “flowage lines” drawn with little accuracy that were intended to delineate where the water would rise when the new dam was finished.

More than half of the properties on both sides of the lake have this flowage line jutting out into the water, and so they are not deemed as public or county lands.

The problem is that, based upon the new DNR shoreline regulations, private citizens cannot

put a dock on public lands.

If the adjacent landowners cannot buy these tiny parcels, they cannot put out docks and use their boats on Lake Neshonoc.

In our case, we have had our dock in the lake since 1986.

Most of the property owners, have already spent thousands of dollars to rip-rap the shoreline to protect it. You only need to walk the county’s shoreline to see that the county needs to do a lot more to control its shoreline erosion or to rip-rap the shoreline in their “public trust.”

The county staff cover letter said “you have a good understanding for the issues of public trust, land ownership, and riparian rights,” yet the staff made no attempt to explain the facts regarding this issue and only assumed that people had a “good understanding” of this dock issue from reading the newspaper.

How can anyone make an intelligent decision on this issue without having all the facts? One could even question the whole validity of this survey based upon how the question was worded.

I believe that La Crosse County and its staff could have spent their funds in a more beneficial way than to conduct a survey assuming that people were aware of the facts regarding this issue. They should also have provided all the facts to them along with this survey so residents could make an educated decision.

By selling these small parcels of land, the county would get much needed revenue and successfully rectify a surveying inaccuracy that is more than 66 years old.

Jim Leicht is a land owner and chairman of the Lake Neshonoc Protection and Rehabilitation District.
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    Darin Martell wrote on Oct 8, 2006 3:48 PM:

    " A 1940 survey before the lake was at its present level determined where the water line would be. But that does not match the existing water level on some land around the lake(maybe 50' wide, but only a few feet deep). The intent of the law was to have the private property reach the shoreline. This is "found land", I know if I find something I try to return it to it's rightful owner. Figure out fair market value by getting the $ per Sq ft for lakefront lots at the new Neshonoc addtion, sell it to the property owners, and have them pay back taxes. I grew up on that lake and have watched a-lot of people spend a-lot of time, effort, and money to make it the great asset it has become. Very few of those people and little of that money came from the county. "

    Fisherman wrote on Sep 28, 2006 11:38 AM:

    " Dock built on public land = public dock. I need to get a plat map before I go out next time so I can tell which docks I can use. "

    boat owner wrote on Sep 28, 2006 9:14 AM:

    " If it is sold, the owners should be paying the back taxes. I know plenty about this issue and also would like to by my own little lake front property. sealed bids anyone? "

    Jerry wrote on Sep 28, 2006 8:13 AM:

    " We are not talking about 10 feet, in Jim's letter he says 50 feet. The point is that it is not these people's back yard because they don't own it, the county does. If the county is going to sell it, they should put it up for sealed public bids. "

    Re:My response wrote on Sep 27, 2006 9:46 PM:

    " The sale of this land will benifit the public. Keepin a few feet of shoreline off the tax roll isn't gonna help you or you tax bill . All you have to do is look at a plat map. The county hasn't seen fit to publish this information and shows a serious neglect of "fair play" on this subject. The land can't be used for anything such as a trail or park as one board member stated at the last CB meeting. The land isn't gonna be put up to the highest bidder to put in a boat landing. Get informed people. "

    Re; ? wrote on Sep 27, 2006 9:23 PM:

    " Since you don't really know anything about this subject, obvious, since you don't know the source of the letter why the heck are you even commenting on it other than to get you name in the tribune TRY AND COMMENT ON SOMETHING YOU KNOW ABOUT LIKE UNDERAGE DRINKING "

    RE: chip wrote on Sep 27, 2006 8:53 PM:

    " The county should be required to survey the "line' in dispute since the lake dreg that occured 4 years ago. Since the shore line has eroded some of this property may be under water and the "LINE" subject will be non descript. So bring you wallet chip and get ready to use some of that precious Tax payer money you hold in such value. The land owners have seen fit through permits to improve and maintain this land. Good luck trying to get the county board to do the same. "

    RE; agreed wrote on Sep 27, 2006 7:47 PM:

    " So you think 10-15 feet of "public " property which has been improved through permits from the DNR is gonna benefit you? Would you please take a ride to someplace like the Mindoro county park and see what kind of "care takers of the land" the county is. "

    Re: Wow wrote on Sep 27, 2006 7:42 PM:

    " You apparently can't read the paper. The sender had his name and title under the article. "

    RE:Jerry wrote on Sep 27, 2006 7:35 PM:

    " It's very apparent to me that most of the people that responded to this subject don't know squat about it. If you think your gonna buy 10 feet of shore line and lay a boat dock in someland owners back yard your exuberance is only exceeded by your ignorance of the situation. Go look at a plat map dummy "

    Jerry wrote on Sep 27, 2006 2:25 PM:

    " I for one would certainly be willing to buy one of these parcels, even if I could only access it from the lake. Lake front property is expensive, and I could forsee camping, fishing, maybe even putting up my own dock. "

    JFS wrote on Sep 27, 2006 1:16 PM:

    " Some of the comments to Mr. Leicht's letter only go to reinforce his point that adequate information has not been provided to the public to make an informed decision. These small parcels are of no use to the public and of no value to anyone except the adjacent property owners. The letter sent by the county refers to the parcels as "proerty not needed for a public purpose". This being true, there is no reason not to sell. Yes, I am one of the affected property owners, but that does not change the facts. I suggest that board members personally inspect these properties before voting on this issue. "

    shoot the messenger wrote on Sep 27, 2006 12:42 PM:

    " No good deed goes unpunished. It appears the county is attempting to solve a problem created by a change at the state level, and the county is getting blamed for attempting to gather input to solve the problem. If you are attempting to assist in solving the problem, then assist in solving the problem, don't add to the confusion and point fingers. Talk about the good 'ol boy method. I guess government desn't want to know what the public thinks, it should just make decisions behind closed doors "

    agreed wrote on Sep 27, 2006 12:15 PM:

    " Public land should benifit all. "

    15 pieces of very small, VERY VALUABLE PROPERTY wrote on Sep 27, 2006 12:04 PM:

    " Let's call a spade a spade. Anyone who pays to have a boat in a marina knows exactly how much this type of property is worth. "

    my response wrote on Sep 27, 2006 10:24 AM:

    " I would imagine that when Mr. Leicht purchased his property he was aware that the shorefront was public property. And while he may not be able to put out a dock that certainly doesn't preclude the use of his boat on the lake. Public property is just that, public property. And the sale of public property should be to the benefit of the public, not a single individual. "

    Resident wrote on Sep 27, 2006 9:37 AM:

    " Look, not only is our City and County spending $1.10 and taking in $1.00 as usual. They are being psuhed by there health and retirement packages, etc. They are out of money and the future even looks more bleak. So instead of adjusting these packages for furuture employees and new or renewal contracts they attempt to scamper. They scamper for new development money, harbor commission money, new private sector UWL housing taxes, Luth/Gund exp mmoney, etc, etc, etc. The list can go on and on. Now shoreline, that they were fully aware of for a very long time. The problem is they are not spending enough time on who it affects, how it affects them, and even if it is ethical? I do not envy them. They have an appendage stuck in the ringer and it is pulling them closer. "

    Chip wrote on Sep 27, 2006 9:26 AM:

    " Just like any other parcel that the County wants to sell, this land should be auctioned off to the public. Let the highest bidder determine the fair market value. "

    ? wrote on Sep 27, 2006 8:32 AM:

    " I am pretty sure the letter was sent by the county. as far as the land, who gave you the rights to spend money on unowned land. were permits issued to alter the land? "

    WOW wrote on Sep 27, 2006 6:46 AM:

    " Who sent the letter? "


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