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Providence Academy combines Catholic and classical education


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Look around the hallways and classrooms at Providence Academy and you’ll think you’re in a Catholic-school time warp.

Boys in crisp white shirts and navy-blue blazers act gentlemanly, holding doors open for girls dressed in plaid jumpers and knee-high socks.
Kindergartners sit silently in straight rows, pencils marching across papers as they practice writing the letter P. Vivaldi plays softly in the background. Teachers illustrate geography lessons by pointing at pulldown maps. Children write on chalkboards. Computers don’t exist.

Yet one thing you won’t see are priests or nuns. The school operates in the Catholic tradition but is not sponsored by the Diocese of La Crosse or any religious order.

In its second year, the school has 73 students in pre-kindergarten through 12th grade, up from 43 students — a nearly 70 percent rise — last year.

They get hooked on phonics in kindergarten. They begin learning Latin and Greek in first grade. They recite classical poetry.

Providence’s founding and growth represent a national trend toward independent Catholic schools. The Acton Institute of Grand Rapids, Mich., publishes an annual list of the top 50 Catholic high schools nationally. This year, 14 on the list were independent.

Most are small and sprouted from a group of homeschool parents dissatisfied with the Catholic schools, said Anthony Pienta, program coordinator for the honor roll.

“It’s not something they do to defy the diocese, but their main interest is to provide sound Catholic education,” he said.

Nationally, schools both public and private are reviving classical education curriculum as well. They emphasize learning the civilization and languages of ancient Greece and Rome, the foundations of modern Western society.

“Our school,” principal teacher Joe O’Brien said, “is 3,000 years old.”

Prayer, Latin and fun

“Christians pray.”

In two words, eighth-grader Matt Wateski of Onalaska, Wis., translated the sentence he had just written in Latin. He also helped explain life at Providence Academy: devoted to Christ, full of prayer.

Students celebrate Mass at 8 a.m. each day at St. James the Less Catholic Church across the street. They fold their hands and pray the Angelus, the prayer the Pope prays daily at noon, before eating. They go to confession once a month.

Asked what makes the school different from the Catholic school she used to attend, sixth-grader Mayanna Vander Schaaf listed smaller class sizes and religion. “It’s a lot holier,” she said, giggling.

Wateski stood at the chalkboard in Room 104, writing the phrase in Latin: “Christiani orant” (Christians pray). Four classmates stood alongside, each holding a purple Latin textbook in one hand, chalk in the other. They diagrammed sentences in Latin as teacher O’Brien quizzed them tirelessly. It was 9:15 a.m. Monday.

John Lyon, a retired University of Notre Dame history professor, teaches at the school along with his wife, Elizabeth. He described it as “seriously Catholic and seriously classical.”

Yet the school’s mission mentions another word, too: “fun.” All students have recess together daily, playing kickball in their uniforms. Most classes have a dozen or fewer students, so “we get to just shout out our answers,” said seventh-grader Anna Rigden. Even having homework — no shortage of it — is fun, she said.

“Once you’re done, you feel like you got through something tough. You can relax.”

Founding mothers

Mary Brennan and Jill Marshall went school shopping together in spring 2005. Not for pencils or folders, but for a school.

Both had children in Coulee Catholic Schools.

Marshall, who had kids at St. James, was trying to help the system develop ways to in-crease enrollment. She often talked with Catho-lics who were homeschooling their children. A theme kept repeating itself, she said: “We want classical education.”

“We had never heard of it, much less that Einstein, the Founding Fathers and nearly all the greats of (Western) history were educated in it,” she said.

The two visited Trinity Academy in Pewaukee, Wis., one of two other classical Catholic schools statewide in fall 2004, and “were blown away,” Marshall said.

“The clincher,” Brennan said, “was when a class of fifth-graders recited ‘The Midnight Ride of Paul Revere,’ a 14-page poem, by heart. Every kid told us (the school) was really hard, but really fun, too. It’s the first time we heard kids say being challenged was not a burden.”

They made a proposal to start a classical academy within CCS, as a sort of charter school. However, the

proposal was turned down because officials said they wanted to keep a uniform curriculum among all schools, said Kelly K. Weber, marketing and administrative services manager for CCS.

The two, along with parent Jim Squire, decided to start the school anyway. They put in a bid for the former Jefferson Elementary School on La Crosse’s north side but lost out to Three Rivers Waldorf, another independent school.

They then inquired about St. James, about to be shut down as a parish school. The Rev. Roger Scheckel, pastor for 13 years, was eager to listen.

“That building was built for education,” he said. “A lot of people sacrificed so the North Side could have a Catholic school.”

Scheckel was granted permission by La Crosse Diocese Bishop Jerome Listecki to lease the school to Providence. That happened in July 2005.

With heavy help from the founders of Trinity Academy, they developed a curriculum, hired staff, set up the building, ordered books and, Marshall said, “prayed.” The school opened in September.

Brennan said they kept “waiting for the revolt,” for kids in the age of the Internet to grow restless.

“But it never happened. Quite the opposite.”

Welcome at St. James

Scheckel said he doesn’t believe the school is in competition with other Catholic schools because the educational approaches are so different. Weber agreed, in part.

“They are definitely different in their approach,” she said.

While he has no formal role at Providence, Scheckel does welcome its students to daily Mass, and offers confessions to them once a month.

He said the students have drawn appreciative reviews from his parishioners.

“They just like that the building’s being used for education,” he said, “but they also like the way these children comport themselves. It’s different than what I’ve seen in other schools, public or private.”

He appreciates having the students around. One day after Mass, his three altar servers — Providence students — recited the Declaration of Independence, in unison, by heart.

“I was deeply moved,” he said.

A movement toward moderation

Providence Academy’s founding headmaster, Anthony Biese, appeared to view its classical, Catholic approach as far outside the U.S. mainstream.

In his philosophy of education for the academy, he wrote of “this new dark age, when terrifyingly vast numbers of people live in ignorance.” Providence Academy, it continued, “is called to be a beacon of light amid this ever-encircling gloom.” The statement was included in promotional materials given to the Tribune when the school opened.

Omar Gutierrez, who became headmaster when Beise left last year to move closer to family in Minnesota, said the school no longer uses the original statement of philsophy in its recruiting efforts, and the school’s board has distanced itself from it.

“We do see ourselves as a beacon of light, trying to produce leaders,” Gutierrez said, “but I don’t think it’s fair to characterize the rest of the world as dark and gloomy.”

Brennan said the board has always focused first on educating children and understanding that its students “will come from all walks of life, and must be respected.”

Early on, she said the founders decided the school can’t be just a school for the wealthy — or Catholics. “Rich or poor, all denominations are welcome,” she said. Five families at the school qualify for reduced tuition, she said.

One non-Catholic family is enrolled at the school. “We don’t want anyone to feel bullied into the faith,” Gutierrez said, while stressing that “we do try to integrate (the Catholic faith) into everything we do.”

Marshall and Brennan said their kids mingle well with other students from public and private schools, joining them in dance, football teams and other extracurricular activities not available at Providence.

But they emphasized that, while everyone is welcome at the school, the approach is not for every child — or family.

“You do have to sit down with your kids and help them recite poetry, for example,” Marshall said. “Some lifestyles aren’t conducive to that.”

Providence Academy

Founded: 2005

Location: Former St. James School, 716 Windsor St., La Crosse

Students: Mostly from the La Crosse area, but also as far away as Sparta, Wis.; Ferryville, Wis.; and Hokah, Minn.

Board of directors: Four parents, plus two nonparents who support the school

Tuition: $2,600 for K-8, $3,700 for 9-12; financial aid available based on need

Actual cost: $5,145 per student

Other sources: Fundraisers, including raffles, dinners and pledge drives. Last year, students pledged to give something up in October and solicited donations; the event raised $75,000, thanks to $27,000 in pledges to students and matching funds from an anonymous donor.

Where they’re from

Students in grades 1 through 12 came from:

Coulee Catholic Schools: 31 (27 the first year; four transferred in this year)

Other Catholic schools: 12

Homeschool: Seven

Out-of-area moves: Four

Public schools: Two

SOURCE: Providence Academy

To learn more about Providence Academy, click here.

Dan Simmons can be reached at dsimmons@lacrossetribune.com or (608) 791-8217.
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A father of boy at providence accademy wrote on Mar 31, 2007 10:20 AM:

" Now what i want to say is a significant amount of children are leaving.I think it wrong to push, overwork,starve them of p.e. and art and more importantly give them 4 hours(if you're lucky) of homework each night. These are seventh graders we are talking about! Now I know I know we are a beacon of light, but I thought beacons of light were supposed to share the light not be snobs and say because you don't know Latin we are better than you! I am planning to leave this school soon. "

Re: You have a friend wrote on Oct 15, 2006 6:01 PM:

" Actually this school has been under the patronage of Our Lady of Providence and St Michael the Archangel. There has been at least one Mass per week prayed especially for this Academy to blosson according to God's Will. That is what our prayer has been and of course will continue to be. Thankyou for the suggestion of St John Marie Vianney such a beautifully humble man, we will invoke his intercession especially for humility of heart. "

You Have a Friend wrote on Oct 11, 2006 11:32 AM:

" I won't rebuttal the attacks against this school, so I'm going to focus my words to the founders of this school! Have you put your school under the patronage of the founder of the original Providence school, St. John Marie Vianney? You've found the problems where men in the highest positions of the Church departed from it's classical educational sytstem, now research more and learn how they've departed from the teachings of the Catholic Faith. Compare the teachings of now with the teachings prior to the Second Vatican Council. For the spiritual education is even more important than the temporal. You also might want to look up Notre Dame de La Salette. I've met the schoolmaster who is a priest that graduated from Yale, truly another St. John Bosco! This school is set up on the classical educational system1 God Bless You "

Re: an exhausted teacher wrote on Oct 10, 2006 6:21 PM:

" I couldn't agree with you more, and as a student teacher, I feel that most educators feel the same way. This article about alternative education was meant to enlighten our community about something new; however, it has turned into teacher/school/Catholic bashing. You're absolutely right-it is no wonder kids are so disrespectful! "

An exhausted teacher wrote on Oct 10, 2006 4:58 PM:

" Arggghhh! As a teacher, regardless of whether I'm a public or private school teacher, I must say that all of this hatred makes it clear as to why some of our students act the way they do. Where is the civilty? Because of the attitudes of people like you, kids suffer. Our public schools are good. Our private schools are good. We are lucky. Please, let's be positive. How disheartening! "

TO: GOD wrote on Oct 10, 2006 4:19 PM:

" People need religion, it bring them hope. "

GOD wrote on Oct 10, 2006 4:08 PM:

" People organized religion is a farce, it only breeds hate for those that do not believe the same way as you. More people have been killed in the name of religion than anything else in history. If we would try to please our fellow man instead of a false god then this would be a much nicer place to live. PEACE "

Mike Schoen wrote on Oct 10, 2006 12:44 PM:

" Your article touched a very sensitive nerve. Obviously the locals are upset with the current state of education in the city of La Crosse. Interesting. "

Dopah wrote on Oct 10, 2006 11:41 AM:

" Catholic Schools no longer reflect a true Catholic identity. Textbooks come from the same publishers as used in the public schools, with the same anti-Christian world view. Catholic parents have an obligation to give thier children the best in Christian education. Your bishop needs to be applauded for his tacit support of this alternative institution. True Christianity by it's nature is counter culture. "

To: Research wrote on Oct 10, 2006 10:21 AM:

" I don't live and die by standardized test scores, but I suggest you contact Providence to see how they did on Iowa Basics last spring. I haven't checked into ACT's, but according to the Educational Testing Service comparing students who studied various foreign languages, these were their results in 2001 on the SAT verbal scores: National Average: 506 Spanish Students: 583 German Students: 625 French Students: 633 Latin Students: 665 "

research wrote on Oct 10, 2006 9:23 AM:

" I'm not here to bash ANYONE'S point of view. I am a mother who wants to choose the best education for her child. I went through public schools & chose to attend a private, religious (not Catholic) college. I am open to alt. methods, but you can be sure that I will look into every aspect of it & compare it to other methods in order to make an informed decision. Where one lacks, another may thrive. Please: I'm here to listen to the pros & cons of each: not people disrespecting each other. =) Of interest to me: science. How& to what extent are they taught in a classical education? How do ACT scores compare to a public school education? Since there are no computers in the school are they encouraged at home as a research tool? "

MN_Guy wrote on Oct 10, 2006 7:42 AM:

" ""The Bishop has a responsibility to the Diocesan sponsored Catholic school system and by extension the supporting parishes and parishioners." This school is NOT one of the schools supported by the Diocese! It is a private school that has elected to adopt a classical Catholic education. They have as much right to do it as a Muslim school, an Amish school or whatever. Parent who agree with them pay $100 for the use of the school. Get off their backs. "

To: Jan wrote on Oct 10, 2006 6:52 AM:

" And how did you learn how to spell...memorization. How did you learn how to type...memorization. How did you learn to get from home to work...memorization. Just how have you managed life...memorlization. What about your name, tel, SSN, address...yadda, yadda, yadda. Are you ready to retrack your stupid post? Would you like me to remind you tomorrow (bad memory)? You won't be criticizing memorization when Mr. Alzheimer knocks on your door. "

To: Hurray (wrote on October 08, 2006 7:18 PM) wrote on Oct 10, 2006 6:46 AM:

" In order for one to critically think, one must have a wealth of knowledge. It's like having a powerful processor without a hard-drive. Idiots and morons cannot critically think. Rote memorization is a means to learning. If you are learning, and the teachers are good, then you will end up with "critical thinking." But I see that you are not a critical thinker because your post says so. "

Whoa...Slow Down wrote on Oct 9, 2006 10:35 PM:

" Maybe I misread the article, but in seemed to me that it is an article about a school in our area that has a different aproach to education. That's it. It is great to see people voicing their opinions, but why can't we just leave it at that? It's sad that as a society we can't have discussions anymore because someone always has to be right. We don't let people voice their opinion because if it is different than ours we are threatened by it. Same with choices. Just because I make the choice to do something does not mean it is right for everyone else and does not mean it is better than other peoples' choice. It is my choice...that's it. People...give peace a chance. "

Semper Fidelis wrote on Oct 9, 2006 9:00 PM:

" It's ok that this school is different from others. It's ok that they teach Latin and Greek... It's still used sometimes - just ask a United States Marine - "Semper Fidelis!" How nice these kids will know it means "Always Faithful!". We understand the past by reading about it. The past was originally written about in the dead languages. "

To Faith and Reason .. Again. wrote on Oct 9, 2006 8:43 PM:

" What a refreshing point of view. Amen to that! "

just wondering wrote on Oct 9, 2006 6:10 PM:

" Why is this story on the front page of the sunday paper instead of in the achievement section in the weekday paper? Or can we expect an article each week on the merits of all the schools in the region, both public and private. "

best practice wrote on Oct 9, 2006 5:47 PM:

" if you are learning "best practices" at UWL, you'd better re-think the definition! "

Re: To: Funny wrote on Oct 9, 2006 5:10 PM:

" You wrote: "Dinasours and man did live together." I forgot about the Flintstones. Apparently that is the extent of your learning. "

To: Just a Question wrote on Oct 9, 2006 5:03 PM:

" How does Providence Academy promote the notion that some people are "more Catholic" than others. What does that mean,"More Catholic?" Who is it that is claiming to be more Catholic, or is it rather than someone is accusing others of being more Catholic? Makes a big difference if you are claiming or accusing. I don't know of anyone who is claiming that they are more Catholic than anyone else. Do you? I don't understand why you are attacking the Bishop. Providence Academy is independent of the Bishop. He has no jurisdiction over it. The students who attend schools don't belong to the "supporting parishes." They belong first to parents who have the right and obligation to decide what is best for their children. "

To:Funny and To: To:Faith and reason again wrote on Oct 9, 2006 4:56 PM:

" What evidence do you have that man and dinosaurs did not live together, that the world was not created in 6 days, or that Jesus is not the Son of God? Actually, we all have the same evidence. Your worldview determines how you interpret the evidence. For example, if there really was a global flood as described in the Bible, you would expect to find billions of dead things buried in rock layers laid down by water all over the earth, which is exactly what you do find. Lee Strobel(the Case For Christ) and Josh McDowell(Evidence That Demands A Verdict) are must reads if you are honestly after the truth. People coming from monkeys is the fairy tale. "

To: Just a Question wrote on Oct 9, 2006 4:51 PM:

" How does Providence Academy promote the notion that some people are "more Catholic" than others. What does that mean,"More Catholic?" Who is it that is claiming to be more Catholic, or is it rather than someone is accusing others of being more Catholic? Makes a big difference if you are claiming or accusing. I don't know of anyone who is claiming that they are more Catholic than anyone else. Do you? I don't understand why you are attacking the Bishop. Providence Academy is independent of the Bishop. He has no jurisdiction over it. The students who attend schools don't belong to the "supporting parishes." They belong first to parents who have the right and obligation to decide what is best for their children. "

Dinosaurs and man wrote on Oct 9, 2006 4:08 PM:

" Wait--If they did not live together, how did Fred Flintstone work in the quarry? Yabba dabba Duh! Seriously, You people are MEAN and my Catholic school rocks! And as Thoreau said you can build castles in the air and dream, but you need to build a foundation first to realize the dream. Sorry--I did not memorize the quote, but it's a good one. That's what we are doing in Coulee Catholic Schools. "

TO: Funny wrote on Oct 9, 2006 3:20 PM:

" Dinasours and man did live together. "

TO: Faith and Reason Again wrote on Oct 9, 2006 3:17 PM:

" I am not saying believing in God means you believe in fairy tales. I am saying that believing Jesus is the son of god and his mother was a virgin is a fairy tale, like the rest of the stuff in the bible. Believing in God is one thing, but believing in the bible is absurd. "

Just a Question replies: wrote on Oct 9, 2006 3:07 PM:

" The Bishop has a responsibility to the Diocesan sponsored Catholic school system and by extension the supporting parishes and parishioners. The local (La Crosse, Onalaska and Holmen) parishes send around $30,000 PER MONTH to the diocese to help pay for the schools. The outlying parishes all send money, but I don't know how much. Any decision that takes money and students out of CCS is a slap in the face to the contributing parishes. It makes it that much harder to run the schools. More importantly, this school fosters the notion that some people are "more Catholic" than others. "

Re: Funny wrote on Oct 9, 2006 2:17 PM:

" You have written the same ridiculous comments in other threads. I hate having to keep correcting you, but sometimes the feeble-minded can learn. Catholic schools don't teach that the world was created in six days, nor do they teach that man and dinosaurs lived at the same time. Continually writing the same foolishness doesn't make it true. You may not share the Catholic faith, or any faith, and that is fine. However, you should at least pretend to know what you are talking about. "

Sandra McAnany wrote on Oct 9, 2006 1:53 PM:

" Why did the Catholic school system close down St. James and make all of the schools run together instead of having individual identities? "

Sandra McAnany wrote on Oct 9, 2006 1:51 PM:

" My children went to a Catholic school for years that Father Scheckel oversaw. It is great to see how he found a way to keep a school going in the St. James neighborhood. We did switch to the public school system and to a different religion, but Father Scheckel was more dedicated to kids than any other priest that I know. "

Faith and Reason Again wrote on Oct 9, 2006 1:21 PM:

" So the argument is that Notre Dame, Georgetown, the University of Paris, etc. etc. teach fairy tales? Because they do teach the Catholic Faith. Is that the best you can do: religion = fairy tales? Wow! What intellectual rigour and depth. Einstein maintained a strong belief in God as well as many other intellectual lights of the ages. But according to you, they believe in fairy tales. Are you aware that Catholic theology does not find an inherent contradiction between creation and evolution? Have you ever taken a course in Catholic theology? You might be surprised what the content consists of. However, I have the sense that you know it all when it comes to religion, so nothing there for you to learn. How sad. "

TO: For the Unity of Faith and Reason wrote on Oct 9, 2006 12:46 PM:

" I agree with being able to ask questions, but when you don't have the answer say so don't make up some hooey about Jesus, and don't give false information like dinasours and man lived at the same time. Public schools teach facts not fairy tales. "

For the Unity of Faith and Reason wrote on Oct 9, 2006 12:11 PM:

" Religion should not be mixed with education? Huh? What about Notre Dame, Georgetown, Fordham, University of San Francisco, Seattle, Providence, etc. etc. etc. These people who create a false antagonism between faith and reason simply show their ignorance. In a Catholic University or school, the whole person is educated, intellectually and spiritually. In government run schools the deeper questions such as: where did I come from, where am I going, what is the meaning and purpose of this life, etc. can only be answered with: we can't talk about these questions less we begin to enter into religion or theology. Give me a school where no question is ridiculed or forbidden. "

Sickening wrote on Oct 9, 2006 12:09 PM:

" The nice article the Tribune wrote gave everyone a chance to "Catholic" bash once again. I tire of how petty we are with each other, how we will pick at education, religion, and opinions of others. Why can't we respect each other and just BE NICE to one another for a change. All it takes is for one person to start and maybe it will become contagious and slowly the world will become a better place. God truly knows we need to start treating each other better. Catholic schools taught me that so I guess they're not too bad. "

TO: October 08, 2006 11:28 AM: wrote on Oct 9, 2006 11:39 AM:

" How do you figure I hate religion, just because I think it shouldn't mix with education? "

A thankful American wrote on Oct 9, 2006 11:38 AM:

" What a refreshing concept. A school that teaches values, stresses fundamentals, enforces discipline, has a dress code, and embraces faith. Best of all, they appear to have strong parental involvement and motivated students. This type of educational model served our country very well in the past. It is a pity that our public schools have lost their education rigor and now teach to the lowest common denominator. "

TO: Scary wrote on Oct 9, 2006 11:37 AM:

" My thoughts exactly "

Funny wrote on Oct 9, 2006 11:35 AM:

" Catholic schools teach fiction, (world and everything in was made in 6 days, dinasours and man living together, and plenty more...)when there is proof that the bible is wrong, how can these teachings be justified. Catholic/Christian teachings needs to change with the times. "

PandT in SDLAX wrote on Oct 9, 2006 11:16 AM:

" After re-reading my previous post, I can see where it may come off as I am critical of the other choices in the district. That was not my intent. My point was supposed to be this: This model of education is being blasted... I simply put some of the more popular charters up to the same rigor... IF these are valid forms of learning, and have proved themselves, what is wrong with offering this equally valid form, which has proved itself as well? "

To: Just a question wrote on Oct 9, 2006 9:48 AM:

" Children do not belong to schools, public or Catholic. They belong to their parents who are assisted by schools in the education of their children. Why should the Bishop be blamed for decisions parents have made, believing their educational choice is what is best for their children? Children don't exist for Catholic or public schools, schools exist for children, whose best interest is decided by their parents. What a terrible notion to criticize the Bishop because he doesn't force children to go to a diocesan school so the budget can be balanced. "

What Classical Education Is... wrote on Oct 9, 2006 8:54 AM:

" For anyone interested in finding out exactly what Classical Education is, the following website explains it.If you decide to post here, it would be good to read this first and better grasp an understanding of this form of education. http://www.welltrainedmind.com/classed.html "

Just a question wrote on Oct 9, 2006 7:55 AM:

" When this school was opened the bishop and most of the power structure of CCS said it wouldn't affect CCS. The article states that 31 students came to Providence from CCS. At an average tuition rate of, conservatively, $2,500 that is a $75,000 hole in the budget. Nice job bishop. Not only have you cost CCS students and money (and I bet those students could have been served without adding a teacher to the system), but you have continued to foster a "two-Catholic" mentality. Then we see an add in the Sunday paper about how you shut down a schol that had the money - its own, not the Diocese'- to operate. Interesting agenda you have. "

Re: P and T in SDLAX wrote on Oct 9, 2006 7:29 AM:

" You state that different teaching styles are better for different children, but then question the district's alternative education (charter) schools. I am the product of Montesorri, and have a PhD. Most of my peers from Montesorri have at least a Master's. Apparently we survived the "rigors" of college. Once you get into higher education, you are asked (gasp!) to think for yourself, something that we certainly didn't learn by having information crammed down our throats. "

better? wrote on Oct 9, 2006 6:57 AM:

" I don't think that any certain techniques or strategies are "better" for children. Everyone learns differently. Memorizing does have a place-I'm thinking spelling words or multiplication tables. Are children actually learning/understanding this material, or just memorizing it? Who knows, but it helps them pass those standardized tests, which we know is all that matters in this country. "

here we go... wrote on Oct 9, 2006 6:54 AM:

" Here we go again. An article explaining an opportunity for an educational choice (more is usually better), turned into public school teacher bashing. Ironically, most of you proponents wouldn't last a day as a public school teacher. If you think public schools are so horrible, why don't you volunteer in one? Follow a teacher from the time s/he gets to school until the time they stop working on school work at night. You'd never make it! "

To Amanda wrote on Oct 9, 2006 2:02 AM:

" Please don't criticize other people's grammar when you clearly have difficulties with it yourself. You misspelled: criticizing, abhorrent, whether, and expert, and it is "you're," not "your" in "If you're not an expert..." Also, "HIGH SCHOOL," is two separate words. Perhaps you need to practice memorizing your spelling lists. "

Jackie Blue wrote on Oct 8, 2006 11:46 PM:

" Perhaps "Amanda" better return to school herself. I counted nine spelling and grammar errors in her letter while she was trying to criticize the skills of other letter writers. Very good dear! Keep up the irony; everyone will take you seriously now! "

BLUE STATE BRUCE wrote on Oct 8, 2006 11:11 PM:

" I laud classical education; however, Providence ought to examine its application. I count a minimum of five errors in either grammar or syntax in that document. Physician, heal thyself! "

Pand T in SDLAX wrote on Oct 8, 2006 10:12 PM:

" I am hardly anti-public education... I am quite active in the union. Would I use these methods in my general population courses? Absolutely not, for a variety of reasons, but in a sequenced curriculum, memorization has its place, as Amanda clearly pointed out. While field trips to the river to count tadpole spawn, arts-based schools using "non-graded" activities and Montesorri schools are nice, are they any better at producing students ready for the rigors of college? This school is clear in its mission as a college prepatory school. I'd like to see a similar alternative in the public schools. Whats so wrong with that? "

Re: Amanda wrote on Oct 8, 2006 9:33 PM:

" That was funny. You have a good sense of humor!! "

Re: Ann wrote on Oct 8, 2006 9:24 PM:

" Memorization is important because what you memorize in one class may come up in the next unlike most schools which have you memorize something then never use it ever again. For example memorization of the ten highest genuses in Euclid will help you write a paper in Rhetoric class because each definition must have a genus and a species. "

To: Re: Jan wrote on Oct 8, 2006 8:26 PM:

" The ASSumption you make is that everything YOU have been taught is wrong. But ironically (I know, big word for you...look it up), you argue the same thing, that what Providence Academy teaches is wrong. Who is wrong? Apparently not you, for you are too gilded to be wrong. Wrong answer. Research and development can prove and disprove many things...name your topic. I can easily prove that unioninized public puke school teachers are not worth their weight in crap. Name your R&D. Stop the spin. "

This is not right wrote on Oct 8, 2006 8:06 PM:

" I don't think kids should be forced to join cults. "

Amanda wrote on Oct 8, 2006 7:59 PM:

" What is wrong with all you people. You are critisizing a good catholic school when your grammatics and punctuation are abohorrent. You make religion decide wheather it is a good school ot not! Memorization is a great thing, but it's not the only thing those kids learn! They also learn logic and how to piece all the things they memorized when they are in 8th grade and highschool. If your not an exspert and have no idea what you are talking about....be quiet because you are bringing down a perfectly good school that you have never been to. Go there and visit then you can tell me what you think!!! "

Hurray wrote on Oct 8, 2006 7:18 PM:

" Hip hip hooray! The kids can recite like parrots. WOnderful. What about CRITICAL thinking - something that the RCC has not much encouraged among the laity. "

Ann cont. wrote on Oct 8, 2006 6:41 PM:

" Also, if my fifth graders were spouting out the memorization of a 14-page poem I'd wonder what else was going on in the classroom besides rote memorization! How is memorizing and regurgitating a 14-page poem going to help these kids??? Unreal. "

An wrote on Oct 8, 2006 6:39 PM:

" Is teaching them Latin and Greek and not having computers in the school really preparing them for life after high school? I'd say not. Computers are a way of life and Latin and Greek are called "dead languages" for a reason! "

DJM wrote on Oct 8, 2006 5:08 PM:

" Another free advertisement by the Tribune for local Catholic schools. So if there arent nuns involved with this school who is in charge of whacking the kids knuckles with rulers? I think it is great that there are alternatives and families are free to choose what works best for them. I'm glad they have moved away from the doom and "ever-encircling gloom" philosophy that the founder preached -what a concept to found a school upon. And I thought the Puritans were messed up. "

Re: Jan wrote on Oct 8, 2006 3:41 PM:

" I agree with you, that teacher should leave the public schools and go teach at Providence if he or she thinks it is so wonderful. This teacher seems to be very anti-public education-please leave! "

duh wrote on Oct 8, 2006 3:39 PM:

" Of course ACT scores are going to be higher when all you do is memorize what you need in order to pass a standardized test (which everyone knows doesn't actually measure what students know). Yes, some students do "learn" better by memorizing, but they are doing just that-memorizing, not learning. "

Re: Jan wrote on Oct 8, 2006 2:31 PM:

" I completely agree with you. I am an education student and the practices that are taught at Providence go against everything we have been taught. Someone questioned where "best practices" come from. No, not the teacher's union or schools. Take a look at the research on child development and learning, and you'll see what Jan is talking about! "

P and T in SDLAX cont... wrote on Oct 8, 2006 2:26 PM:

" What is wrong with taking the religious element out, and beginning a charter? I have a suspicion that it would be wildly successful, and may even help our declining enrollment. And before you begin on the ACT comment, the fact is this test is used by the public as a critical measure of the success of a school. It isnt supposed to be, but it is. This type of instruction has a strong correlation to higher college admissions test scores. It shouldn't be dismissed as "old fashioned." Yes, times,students and teaching methods change. But are those changes always for the better? "

P and T in SDLAX wrote on Oct 8, 2006 2:19 PM:

" Jan, Its hardly time for me to retire. For some kids, these methods ARE the best. Every child learns differently. I am not asking the SDLAX to adopt these methods full scale... that would be a mistake. But even you have to admit that a firm grasp of basics is critical at the younger ages to ensure future academic success in later years. We need only look at the slipping ACT scores to see that this element of education is being overlooked. "

Unbelievable wrote on Oct 8, 2006 1:50 PM:

" It's shocking that the Diocese allows this to go on. "

a bit warped wrote on Oct 8, 2006 12:58 PM:

" It's taken me until my mid-40's to start to get over the trauma of being sent to Catholic schools in LaCrosse -from 1st grade up through graduation. I hope these kids can get over it a lot earlier! "

To: Best thing... wrote on Oct 8, 2006 12:17 PM:

" No, that's not the "truth." That's your OPINION! You would know the difference if you had a clue, which you don't. "

TO: Scary wrote on Oct 8, 2006 11:28 AM:

" "critical thinking will never be taught." It's exactly the oposite. I think "Scary" is the one who's never learned critical thinking. This school teaches it much better than any other I've heard of. Scary, you're un-reasoned hatred for religion has completely eliminated your ability to think critically or be taken seriously. "

TO; Jan wrote on Oct 8, 2006 11:23 AM:

" Not the best practices? According to who? Teachers unions? Failing public schools? You say memorization is worthless. Again, according to who? I think it's you who have been following the brainwashed masses. The results of this type of classical education are very good. My son is grown now, but I would be sending him to Providence if he were of that age. It's a great fallacy that just because that's the way they did it in the old days, it's bad. The truth is that a good classical education is a must. - Dan M. "

Best thing... wrote on Oct 8, 2006 11:04 AM:

" we ever did was pull our kids out of Catholic Schools! La Crosse Public Schools are infinitely better...sorry, but that's the truth. "

I miss my LaCrosse CS days.... wrote on Oct 8, 2006 10:31 AM:

" "When I die I'll go to Heaven, because I've already spent my time in hell: Catholic School "

Scary wrote on Oct 8, 2006 9:59 AM:

" I don't see any difference between this and the muslim schools in the middle east brainwashing the children with religious baloney. Education is not compatable with religion as you can be sure that the concept of critical thinking will never be taught. "

Wonderful wrote on Oct 8, 2006 9:36 AM:

" This is how public schools actually were at one time. Just without the uniforms. If I still had young children, this is where I would want them to attend school. "

Jan wrote on Oct 8, 2006 9:22 AM:

" Definitely an interesting concept. People want to know why schools don't teach like they did in the "good old days." This is because we are not in the good old days. Society has changed, and teaching methods and techniques have changed. So a 10 yr. olds can recite a poem-what does that say? That they can memorize, not that they are any smarter or can think for themselves. The Lax SD teacher should be well aware that these are not best practices-if you think so, it is time to retire! "

Good School to teach oldtime values wrote on Oct 8, 2006 8:07 AM:

" I think were the world went wrong is when we stopped values in both public and catholic schools.A believe a teacher should set good examples a suit and tie to look professional, A nice dress or professional looking apparel. A teacher is a mentor to his or her students No Blue Jeans!School is business!Having the girls go first was always done in public and private schools, somewhere we lost it! "

Dean Dickinson wrote on Oct 8, 2006 6:30 AM:

" "The price of excellence is discipline..the cost of mediocrity..disappointment. "

Parent and Teacher in SDLAX wrote on Oct 7, 2006 11:29 PM:

" I am a parent of two children beyond the age limits of this school, and a public school teacher. With that said, I applaud the efforts of this choice in our community...if it wasn't so Catholic in its focus, I'd have enrolled my own kids. Why cant the school district offer a charter along these lines...without the religious emphasis, especially at the middle school level? The STAR pod at Longfellow is a good start... but it needs to go further.... "


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