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Published - Wednesday, October 11, 2006

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Judge: Protests signs can stay put in property feud


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WEST SALEM, Wis. — Pam and Rod Olson of Barre can breathe a sign of relief after a decision made Friday by the Wisconsin Court of Appeals.

The court determined the Olsons and their neighbors can keep signs on their properties about adverse possession until further notice, without the Olsons facing arrest.
The couple lost 0.18 acres in August when Trempealeau County Circuit Court Judge John Damon awarded ownership of the land to Mark and Ellen Thorn under the state’s adverse possession law.

That statute states anyone who uses a property for at least 20 years can claim ownership, even if it had belonged to someone else.

At a Sept. 29 hearing between the Olsons and Mark and Ellen Thorn, Trempealeau County Circuit Judge John Damon ordered the Olsons to have all signs removed from within a two-mile radius of the Thorn’s property — which is for sale. Ellen Thorn said the signs violate a court order that the Olsons cannot have contact with potential buyers of the property.

Damon also ordered all signs and a fence on the disputed parcel be removed by Oct. 6.

He said if the Olsons did not comply with the orders, they would be incarcerated in the La Crosse County Jail for six months.

Friday’s decision by the Court of Appeals not only determined that the signs could stay but that the Olsons could have contact with potential buyers of the Thorns’ property.

The Olsons complied with the order to have the fence and signs on the disputed parcel removed.

The court’s decision is effective until it reviews transcripts from the decision made in court in August. Transcripts will be available Oct. 17.

Pam Olson said she’s pleased the court upheld her and her husband’s right to speak their opinions.

“I’m very happy that they decided that the signs could stay,” Olson said. “I’m a bit disappointed that the fence needed to come down, but I understand that was part of the original decision.”

The Olsons were granted permission by the Thorns’ attorney, Dan Arndt, to cross the Thorns’ property to remove the signs.

Pam Olson said she hopes the Court of Appeals will determine Damon made the wrong decision and that she and her husband will not have to pay the Thorns monetary damages of $30,770.

That decision by Damon being put on hold pending decision by the Circuit Court of Appeals.

Ellen Thorn said she’s happy that a stay was not put on other parts of the original court order. She pointed out that the decision to place a stay on some parts is only temporary.

“They based it on one side,” Thorn said. “Once the Court of Appeals has the judge’s transcript, we expect that they’ll make a decision based on all of the facts.”

Emily Wilson is the assistant editor at the Coulee News in West Salem.
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Richard Prow wrote on Oct 24, 2006 8:24 AM:

" This law is outdated. I purchased, 46 acres in Blair, and a local farmer claims Adverse Possesion for 4acres. The previous owner allowed them the harvest, but now that it sold clais ownership. Legal, Certified, Warranteed titles, means nothing in our Trempleau County Government Center? This person has not paid Taxes on it for over 20 years, nor took the time to transfer title. Tax evasion???. I stil pay taxes on a parcel in dispute? Local news states Wisconsin is loosing it's people? Well? I'am all for the farmers, But allowing them to steal land is simply crazy, Especially when someone was generous enough to let them pull the hay off. I guess our govenrnment is allowing it. You know what the Kicker is here. This law cannot be applied to government owned land. HMMM? "

Pompous Judges wrote on Oct 13, 2006 7:26 AM:

" This is a perfect example of an activist judge John Damon who orders people to remove signs from there own property and threatens to jail them. Who elected this pompous example of legal sleaze. And aren't we lucky to have Ellen Thorne in our courthouse. It is impossible that these two didn't know each other,and both had a possible conflict of interest, even if they didn't know each other. If Damon is in an elected position he must be removed, but you will never see his reelection notice in the Tribune. "

To: Know the Facts wrote on Oct 12, 2006 7:53 PM:

" I've seen very little posted here that couldn't be gathered from the Tribune articles and the County Board of Adjustment minutes. Were any of "the facts" posted here wrong? I've taken some interest in this case and have posted a lot of comments here. I don't even live in the area, don't know either party, but my family is from the Town of Barre. So far I have seen little of the Thorn's side of the story that would allow me any sympathy toward them. It seems that having that land wihout paying for it was very convenient to them in selling their home, and that they were having a hard time selling their home because the Olson's fenced off their parcel showing any potential buyers where the lot line actually was. Any more to the story than that? "

Living in the Country wrote on Oct 12, 2006 5:30 PM:

" I wonder what Charlie would think if someone tried to take his farm land ? "

The Facts wrote on Oct 12, 2006 11:15 AM:

" To Know the Facts - Sounds like you were in the courtroom - lets see, Dan, Ellen, Mark, Dawn, John - what's your point? "

Doug Pfaff wrote on Oct 12, 2006 10:52 AM:

" To: Know the Facts: I was there. What's your point? "

Court of Appeals wrote on Oct 12, 2006 9:22 AM:

" The only thing that the Court of Appeals did was to stay some of the court orders pending appeal. This is common practice. Even criminals are granted stays on misdemeanor convictions until the appeal process is completed. It doesn't mean anything about who will win. "

Know the Facts wrote on Oct 12, 2006 9:17 AM:

" The Court Room was not filled with observers at the trial. Yet most of the anti Thorn blogs seem to profess first hand knowledge of the trial facts. Either the bloggers are making statements which they don't know to be true or most of the blogs are written by the same person. "

Question wrote on Oct 12, 2006 7:55 AM:

" So you don't have to take the bar exam in Wisconsin? Is this why they say "practicing law"? "

A rose with a bad thorn. wrote on Oct 11, 2006 10:14 PM:

" Hats off to the Olsons! Way to go! It's hard and very expensive for landowners to fight something like this. And for the Olson's to take on the Almighty Thorn Clan and friends of the court system. I'm pulling for the underdog. "Somewhere out there" there is a judge that has brains. But where? Not in Thornville. Olson's can put a sign in my yard. "

To all my good lawyers: wrote on Oct 11, 2006 7:29 PM:

" The rule of law is a fundamental cornerstone of our society. A vast majority of our hard-working countrymen abide by our laws and enjoy its protection. We know right from wrong and try our best to be good neighbors and citizens. However, right or wrong, lawyers have a tremendously negative stigma associated with them. This is earned as many a lawyer has twisted truth and law to their benefit. A good lawyer need not perform a single unjust deed and yet they will be ridiculed in joke and story with the same contempt as an unethical or "sleazy" lawyer. To all my good lawyers: Help mentor our junior associates to become honest and upstanding rather than misguided. Dishonest lawyers don't realize nor care that the mere appearance of impropriety only spawns additional negativity amongst the ranks of our hard-working, tax paying CLIENTS. "

stupid signs wrote on Oct 11, 2006 5:13 PM:

" "Can't" take the signs down! Are the signs bought & paid for & placed, being ADVERSELY POSSESSED by these other people? SIGN ADVERSE POSSESSION. Its got to stop "

To Get Over It wrote on Oct 11, 2006 3:58 PM:

" Your advice to Pam Olson to "Get Over it" is most interesting. There is an appeals process and it appears the Olsons have decided to take that course. That is their right. Why are you so angry with them? As far as I can tell these people have done nothing other than defend themselves. Are you saying they should not be allowed to do so? The Olsons are entiltled to make life choices without your input. You apparently know little about them. "

re: Get Over It Olsons and all you other uninformed people wrote on Oct 11, 2006 3:12 PM:

" Without reading the court transcript I can't say I have a problem with the ruling. Let the appellate court figure that out. Wisconsin law is what it is and the Olsons may end up with the short end of the stick. What really confounds me is why the Thorns took this to court to begin with. I've known friendly neighbors and not so friendly neighbors, but these people don't even register on my neighborly scale. Regardless of what the statutes say, I find what the Thorns did to be underhanded and unethical, or in terms that any child can understand, wrong. "

Jeff wrote on Oct 11, 2006 2:53 PM:

" One question, do the Olsons have a deed with a land description that gives coordinates for their property boundaries? If so, they should keep their land. It seems pretty cut and dry to me. "

Not So Confdent wrote on Oct 11, 2006 1:52 PM:

" To "Confident the Courts will Uphold": You are correct up to a point. What people don't understand is that the Judge's original decision was so blatantly wrong that it cannot help but be overturned. There was not one scintilla of evidence presented by the plaintiffs that would have had anybody in that courtroom believing that the Olson's had not won. Enter the decision of one biased man, however, and you have a whole different outcome. The Olsons will easily win when this goes before the Court of Appeals for the same reason that this contempt appeal was turned around. The Judge is not making his decisions based on sound law and facts - he is inventing it as he goes because he is biased against the Olson's. Why is he biased? Because they have stood up for their rights!! "

Disappointed wrote on Oct 11, 2006 1:33 PM:

" This case isn't about adverse possession, it is about stealing land. Check out the facts of the case and you will agree. "

Get Over It Olsons and all you other uninformed people wrote on Oct 11, 2006 1:09 PM:

" In a trial, one side prevails, and one side does not prevail. This is based on the testimony and evidence presented at the trial, after much preparation by all the parties to the lawsuit. The court's decision is based on the testimony and evidence and the law. Pam Olson, you lost. You, too, were represented by an attorney who was knowledgeable about adverse possession. I understand you don't LIKE the result of the trial. One side ALWAYS does not like the result of a trial. Get a life. The Thorns have done nothing wrong. "

Shakespeare wrote on Oct 11, 2006 12:29 PM:

" Silly American, when I wrote Henry VI, I had one of the scoundrel revolutionaries declare, "let's kill all the lawyers", to pave the way for anarchy. Don't you know that lawyers are the defenders of law, order, and independent thought? "

To: Doug Pfaff wrote on Oct 11, 2006 12:02 PM:

" I've been following this story with interest and have read the Tribune articles, the county adjustment board minutes, and Pam's letter to the editor. The only piece of the story that is missing is why the Thorns didn't take the Olsons up on the orginal offer to sell the land? It seems the Olsons went out of their way to accomodate the Thorns by parceling off the land just for them and offering it to them at a fair price. What happened? Did the Thorns just ignore the offer and then take it to the court five years later or is there more to the story? "

Good reason for law wrote on Oct 11, 2006 11:49 AM:

" There is a good reason for this law. If adverse possession was not in place, then everytime there was a change in ownership or land use a survey would be needed. "

Know the Thorns wrote on Oct 11, 2006 11:45 AM:

" Though I can't claim to know the Olsons, I do know the Thorns, and am a bit taken aback by all the "lawyer bashing." They are good people. Fact is, the Thorns are represented by an attorney just like the Olsons. In reading the back story of this, it seems to me both sides are to blame on some level. Now we know the reason site surveys are so important -- you shouldn't build, expand, replace your septic system or do anything without knowing precisely where your lot lines are. A couple hundred dollars when the Olsons bought, or a couple hundred when the Thorns replaced the septic would have solved this years ago. "

so if you go hunting wrote on Oct 11, 2006 11:28 AM:

" So, I hunt and farmer joe does not. I have been hunting in his woods for over 20 years. Since I use the woods exclusively, do I now own the woods? Just looking for some feedback here. "

Question? wrote on Oct 11, 2006 10:57 AM:

" Since the Thorns have been using this land for 20 years and the Olsons have been paying taxes on it, shouldn't the Thorns owe the Olsons some money? Since they "thought it was theirs" all along? "

Judges and voting for them does matter wrote on Oct 11, 2006 10:06 AM:

" Good for the appeals court. Now we have a vote in front of us for two Circut Court positions. Although the majority of even our County Circut Court (not all) voted to install the County Board Chairmans wife as Family Court Commissioner. Which I believe was incorrect. The previous Family Court Commissioner allowed the District Attorney, Judge, and other elite to sidestep 'Families First & Sandcastles' programs that are supposedly 'mandated'. Then filed them with Wi Court Records as comliant falsesly. OK Marc? Fact based? "

to all who think this is unfair wrote on Oct 11, 2006 9:48 AM:

" I find it interesting that you are placing all the blame on the Thorns and her attorneys, for pulling up an old statue. Didn't the Olsons attorney have access to the same law books? "

Doug Pfaff wrote on Oct 11, 2006 9:46 AM:

" I have an understanding of the Olson's side of the story. I am Pam Olson's brother. Pam and Rod are honest people and have been trying to tell their side of the story. Not always easy when you are fighting City Hall. We're happy that there are other people out there that respect people's rights, and know that "truth speaks to power". There's been a lot of lawyer bashing going on. It is difficult being all things to all people. Many people do not understand what adverse possession is. Mr. Dan Arndt is representing the Thorn's, and Dan is an expert in adverse possession, having taken cases to the Wisconsin Supreme Court. Dan - please tell us what we are missing? As this issue heats up, many of us will need a knowledgeable source that we can rely on to protect us in these cases. "

Amazing! wrote on Oct 11, 2006 9:11 AM:

" A judge actually stood up for 1st amendment rights. What's next? "

Curious wrote on Oct 11, 2006 8:38 AM:

" Isn't this America? What's going on here? This is the most ridiculous story of stealing I've ever heard. I hope the Olson's can get what's rightfully there's and then some! "

Adverse Possession wrote on Oct 11, 2006 8:14 AM:

" Fancy name for Squatter's Rights. Along the same lines as Emminent Domain. The Olson's have done nothing wrong. Hope the decision by the appeals court settles to their side. "

A reason? wrote on Oct 11, 2006 7:35 AM:

" Was there ever a good reason for this statute, say, like 100 or so years ago? Does anyone know? It would be interesting to find out. It seems to make no sense, but maybe there is a plausible reason. "

Interested wrote on Oct 11, 2006 5:14 AM:

" Is there some way we can get a good explanation of adverse possession and how it works? This story is interesting, but I would like to read the whole story in sequence so I know what really happened. Do Judge Damon or the Thorns lawfirm or representative attorney, Dan Arndt, have any comments on this? "

good luck wrote on Oct 11, 2006 4:38 AM:

" I wish the Olson's the best with this and hope that in the end they keep their land and that the Thorn's pay their costs instead. Bring out the signs:) "

Shakespeare was right wrote on Oct 11, 2006 1:20 AM:

" It figures that it would take an attorney, ala Ms Thorn, to be able to weasel away land from it's rightful owners and have her 'bar buddy', a judge say it is OK. Adverse possession law is as archaic as 'peace bonds', something that is never used or allowed anymore, but is also still on the books. Lawyers must have to swear off personal integrity on passing the bar exam. "

Confident the court will uphold the decision wrote on Oct 11, 2006 1:07 AM:

" The appeals court can only consider what was presented at the original trial. The Thorn's planed this from the beginning, but covered their tracks very well. Now, the Thorn's will also be arguing to have their assessment lowered do to all the bad publicity and the Town will agree, because they are too afraid of the law suit. "


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