wade from wausau wrote on Nov 2, 2006 1:00 PM:
" congrats to those of the ancient ways wishing to reestablish temselves. the rather odd postings from the "odinist/asatru/oppressed celts" caught my eye, i work in the prisons and the version of asatru (mostly)practiced there is abbhorent to the Aesir, those whole follow such racist doctrine are neither pagan nor asatru and are destined to fight on the side of Hel and Fennris come Ragnarok. "
Raine wrote on Oct 25, 2006 10:05 PM:
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What I see is an advancement. Yes, they aren't out there to convert people, just like Christians, though they evangalize, aren't supposed to force their belief on someone. It's basically just opening a new world to fill that spiritual part of someone, just like the physical, emotional and mental parts to.
Congradulations to the Pagan organization.
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Raine wrote on Oct 25, 2006 10:05 PM:
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I was raised in a baptist household, while my fathers side of the family is Catholic. After a while, both merged into one for me, yet I still came up with my own beliefs. I can't be classified as anything other then 'pagan.' But what most people forget is what pagan means.
Pagan is just another way of classfying people that believe in something other then the Christian God. It's written in the dictionary, so techincally it isn't just 'wiccans' that are pagan, it's the islamic people, its the catholic people because of worshiping the Virgin Mary, it's the hindu, the buddist, and the list goes on.
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Raine wrote on Oct 25, 2006 10:04 PM:
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It's a beautiful thing to share what people believe and view for the simple fact that it broadens the horizons of the mind. I know many say that those who believe Christianity, and I'm not saying all mind you, would instantly jump at the fact that they think it's wrong and that people will 'burn in hell.' Again, everyone has their own thoughts and beliefs.
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Raine wrote on Oct 25, 2006 10:04 PM:
" I am pleased that there is at least one group of people that are willing to step forward and try to get people to understand what pagans really are. I have my own beliefs, as do the rest of everyone in the world, but nothing is never really the same. We all may share the same beliefs, but there is also the fact that each and every person believes in something different. They might be Christians and believe in something, but not all Christians believe in the same thing. There is always something off. I say have one person talk to two of any religion, weither it's Christian, Catholic, Wiccan or Islamic, and have them share their views and beliefs. There is always going to be something different.
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Amber wrote on Oct 25, 2006 9:39 PM:
" First of all, I see a lot of people here commenting on our use of tax dollars...SUFAC, which is where all club funding comes from, is a small portion of student tuition that goes towards funding student life and activities on campus. Second, we have not yet submitted a budget request, nor do we even plan to do so. We have no problem with being a self-sufficient group (although, the CCC requested $1,700 and I've seen no complaints about that). "
Lance wrote on Oct 25, 2006 12:58 PM:
" I think Todd from Califorina said it best, "I long for the day when I can crush skulls and rule through the violent acts my gods demand! Odin isn't a god war for nuthin'!" How do you improve on that? Keep it up Todd, we need more people like you to let the rest of the world know what your really about.
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Todd.... From California wrote on Oct 25, 2006 9:30 AM:
" Personally, I'm tired of waiting until groups like this become the mainstream. As a oppressed Celt, I long for the day when I can crush skulls and rule through the violent acts my gods demand! Odin isn't a god war for nuthin'! "
JK wrote on Oct 25, 2006 9:12 AM:
" The Word of God says:
"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."
1 Timothy 2:5
"This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief."
1 Timothy 1:15 "
Big Bill wrote on Oct 24, 2006 10:22 PM:
" Only a couple more years and Odin worship will be established at colleges across Wisconsin.
Of course, I suspect this paganism is fuzzy-bunny wiccanism and not the real thing, but it will be. It will be. It is already being revived by white male prisoners in prisons across America.
We will soon see a paganism that is truer to the exterminating genocidal and enslaving traditions of the Danes, the Icelanders and the Vikings.
Blood-lust, blood-sacrifice and berzerker values taught by the whitest of the white in torchlight deep in the sacred groves.
By God it is wonderful that the Aryan tribes are shaking off the mental colonization of Christianity and worshipping their true Gods at last.
It is the Battle of the Frigidus and Battle of the Milvian Bridge all over again, but this time Theodosius and Constantine have surrendered! "
Philharmonic wrote on Oct 24, 2006 9:00 PM:
" I think it's simply a sign of the times. All will be made right in due course though. "
hugh from FL wrote on Oct 24, 2006 8:21 PM:
" Do any of you young left-wing educated squirts remember the year 1964??? doubtful but was the year prayer was abolished from school. Since then destruction of our education system has been going down the drain. Look for yourselves. Throughout history when a country has turned to paganism, homosexuality, etc. it has gone to the dogs or ceased to exist...look around, we are headed for a Godless society, then what?? "
Gary wrote on Oct 24, 2006 8:01 PM:
" I agree with the "pagans" it is a very old philosophy. And I am sure it is a religion that speaks in part to showing kindness and good deeds. The truth is this, we can feel any way we want yet it does not mean it is truth. I can "feel" like I can fly yet the law of gravity begs to differ. I base my pursuit of truth on what I can trust, on what has been slandered for hundreds of years, yet still rises above all else. It has been burned,torn,stripped from the minds of nations and cultures has been outlawed and maligned but still shows the way to the greatest freedom we could ever hope to find...The Word of God-Witchcraft is a sin, I don't hate or dis-like the Wiccan but I detest the practice "
Sheila wrote on Oct 24, 2006 7:58 PM:
" Why are they using my tax dollars for this?
Wausau "
David wrote on Oct 24, 2006 5:25 PM:
" "Excellent! I wish they had this a few years ago at my college! Paganism is older that most other religions, and deserves respect."
Well, I am afraid that just shows the lack of knowledge one would hope to gain from a school of higher learning.
The Romans wrote that when they invaded Britain... the pagan religion there consisted mostly of stuffing people into giant wicker men and burning them alive. That "deserves respect"?
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Another Pagan From Georgia wrote on Oct 24, 2006 4:41 PM:
" Chuck, you can disagree with another religion without being ignorant. On the other hand, as we live in country wherein we possess both freedom of religion and freedom of assembly attempting to deny those freedoms to your fellow citizens does come across as bit ignorant of the law if nothing else. I really fail to see why this is even a newsworthy story. That a recognized religion forms a on-campus club shouldn't really be anything noteworthy. Christian students form clubs. Jewish students form clubs. Buddhist students form clubs. etc. etc. There's really nothing special here. "
Reggie (Rutgers'06) wrote on Oct 24, 2006 3:47 PM:
" I have a real problem with this. When Christians are on a mission to be outspoken they are usually ridiculed. But when people want to spread howash, it's okay. I guess that what happens when you try and spread the truth(gospel), huh, you're suppressed. From the beginning the pagans have always been washed out. This won't last but it hurts to see a pagan club in a Christian nation. How far have we come? How far will we go? Where do we draw the line? God, 'forgive them for they know not what they do." "
Cathy wrote on Oct 24, 2006 3:19 PM:
" Pagan student groups are available on-campus at most universities in the US. This is nothing new or earth-shattering.
Pagans have the same rights as all other religions in the United States. And if the Campus Crusade for Christ is getting tax dollars, so should the Pagan student group.
Many of the comments above are hateful and un-Christ like. I don't blame people for turning away from Chrisitanity if that is an example of what they are spewing. Although Jews considered Samaritans Pagans, Jesus loved them, as he loved EVERYONE.
Perhaps if Christians acted in a more Christ-like fashion, there would be no need for new-age religious movements like Wicca and other Pagan religons.
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Sharon wrote on Oct 24, 2006 3:12 PM:
" “Sometimes people have their own way of finding the truth.”
Rebuttal:
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
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Zarlat Absilok wrote on Oct 24, 2006 2:39 PM:
"
Why should we care if they go down a dead end street.
All religion is phoney "
Chuck wrote on Oct 24, 2006 2:33 PM:
" Abolish the ignorance?
If I strongly disagree with pagans and wiccans, am I ignorant? Do they know me?
Maybe I'm already educated beyond any of them and I have STILL decided they should not be represented on campus.
I imagine that pagans feel superior to the rest us mainstream humans. After all they have discovered true intellectual "enlightenment".
I know you'll hate this...but I will pray for you. "
Tari from Ohio wrote on Oct 24, 2006 1:51 PM:
" In the end (which time is ticking fast) they will stand before God.........No witchcraft will help them then!! But, I am sure the devil has a hotspot for them! "
Fred from Wisconsin wrote on Oct 24, 2006 1:01 PM:
" Quote: "David Weber, faculty adviser to the Campus Crusade for Christ, said that, although he disagrees with pagan philosophy, he has no objection to having the new club on campus."
...Therein lies the problem with our society...always trying to be nicer than God."
No, David, you should object, because much harm will come from it. Make sure you have no secret sins, or you might fall victim to one of these witch's spells - I'm not joking. "
nerelius wrote on Oct 24, 2006 12:15 PM:
" Fantastic!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am proud to be an American Pagan! "
Pagan Georgian wrote on Oct 24, 2006 12:00 PM:
" One reader commented "I wonder if they would allow a Christian club to be established on campus?" In response to that, I wanted to point out that the article states there is a Christian club on campus: Campus Crusade for Christ.
As far as why a club is necessary if they aren't planning on converting people, it's really simple. They wish to let the other students know who they are so they aren't hated the second someone finds out that they aren't Christian. It also offers a place for Pagans to socialize with each other, considering they don't usually gather as often as Christians do.
So long as no laws are violated, I think any religion, Christian or otherwise, should be able to voice their views. That's the joy of Freedom of Speech. "
Ralph S. Keen Jr. wrote on Oct 24, 2006 11:54 AM:
" It is a disgrace for our nation to follow witchcraft in any educational institution. To have such an open "broom closet" is not higher learning. When you explore the countries where such is openly condoned you find people in bondage and enslavement. India,Africa,South America,Haiti,to name a few all prove the result. "
Wendell wrote on Oct 24, 2006 11:33 AM:
" Such pathetic pranksters -- come on join the fund --- take no responsibility for your actions -- squander tax money -- seek to legitimize your boorish juvenile tendencies -- self is self-important -- me before you... LUSER! "
Ferd Ferfell wrote on Oct 24, 2006 10:58 AM:
" Pagans or Wiccans?
I thought pagans were earth-lovers (aka Dopers and Shroomers) and Wiccans were more involved with using natural methods create supernatural effects. (aka: satanists and poisoners) "
Brad...from Minnesota wrote on Oct 24, 2006 10:47 AM:
" Oh, Goody...more witches!!! It is a testament to how far we have fallen that this would be considered, let alone implemented. I notice that females make up the majority of this cult. This represents the destruction of the family by evil influences by targeting those who would be mothers. And who wouldn't want a witch for a mother? Oh yeah, us ingnorant types. "
Gene Trosper wrote on Oct 24, 2006 9:10 AM:
" It's wonderful news to hear that The University of Wisconsin - Waukesha now has a pagan student group! I say if taxpayer-funds are used for other syudent groups like campus Crusade for Christ, then it's legitimate for Pagans to do so as well. If taxpayers are offended that pagans can have tax funds, then they should demand that ALL campus religious groups NOT receive tax funds. It's pretty simple, really. "
Ronnie from Texas wrote on Oct 24, 2006 9:03 AM:
" I wonder if they would allow a Christian club to be established on campus? "
Josh(Missouri) wrote on Oct 24, 2006 8:45 AM:
" Excellent! I wish they had this a few years ago at my college! Paganism is older that most other religions, and deserves respect. "
Dave Anthon y wrote on Oct 24, 2006 8:33 AM:
" '...we're not trying to convert...'
Ok, then why do they need $1500 of taxpayer funding?
If they are not in the business of prosetylizing, then why have a campus organization? They could be witches and warlocks without all the publicity. "
Recovering Feminist wrote on Oct 24, 2006 8:02 AM:
" Paganism is simply the opposite of God, the opposite of good, the opposite of absolute Truth, and the opposite of Heaven. Gobble this evil up at your soul's risk. "
Lynn wrote on Oct 24, 2006 8:00 AM:
" Let a Christian come out of the closet and they get crucified or denied the priviliges that other religious groups have. "
Jeffrey Quick wrote on Oct 24, 2006 7:49 AM:
" I can't figure out why Joe Farah thought this was newsworthy enough to link to. Paganism is the new Presbyterianism. "
Greg Gerber -- A Wisconsin taxpayer wrote on Oct 24, 2006 7:32 AM:
" Oh how I wish the moon and the sun and the planets would align in perfect order so that taxpayer money could actually be spent on educating young minds rather than indoctrinating them or "letting them find their own truth." Let's ask businesses employing this university's graduates if they can actually read, write and follow directions. I'd guess not. Yes, let's work together to "abolish the ignorants!" "
JOE MERONE wrote on Oct 24, 2006 6:34 AM:
" Oh my, this is just so "open minded". The downside, of course, is that brains tend to fall out in this condition as we continue to march to a truly God-less society. "
Cynthia Neil wrote on Oct 24, 2006 5:19 AM:
" How Beautiful! Even as our numbers quietly increase, there are some out there trying to tell the truth of who we are. Pagans are nature loving,good deed doing, American citizens who want nothing more than the rights we were born with. Blessed Be Angels and good luck. "
Julie.... From California wrote on Oct 24, 2006 4:39 AM:
" I am thankful that this group is now being allowed to meet in public and share thier knowledge with others. It has long been understood that ignorance breeds hatrid, hopefuly this will be the next step in educating those that have a mis-understanding as to what Paganism really is. I do hope that this will encourage others to follow suit and come out of the 'broom closet'. "
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