Re: Seen the news? wrote on Jan 24, 2007 4:42 PM:
" Apparently no one has the cojones to try to refute the overwhelming evidence so I guess that means that the nay sayers have lost the argument and have retreated to their offices at Exxon Mobil. Score one for sanity! "
Seen the news? wrote on Jan 23, 2007 1:33 PM:
" A panel of 600 scientists, reviewed by another 600 scientists says that global warming is already here and presents overwhelming evidence. So there, deniers. Care to refute the evidence? "
RE: Global Warming Is Junk Science wrote on Jan 23, 2007 9:41 AM:
" Opinion and signatures on petitions are not science. To repeat what other posters here have said, there is no disagreement in peer-reviewed scientific studies over whether humans are at least partially to blame for increases in CO2 levels and their effect on the environment. Please, if you have some evidence to the contrary that actually follows the scientific method and is peer-reviewed, share it with the world. We're waiting. "
I suspect... wrote on Jan 22, 2007 8:29 PM:
" ...that the naysayers against the global warming theories in this forum are actually in the employ of the oil and coal industries. It would be interesting if the Tribune could track their IP addresses and see if the messages trace back to servers operated by Exxon Mobil or one of their "think tanks". "
RE: Realistic wrote on Jan 22, 2007 8:27 PM:
" I disagree with your entire premise. I believe it is YOU who are living in fear--fear of having to change your lifestyle, fear of realizing the truth that you have destroyed the climate for generations to come. To reiterate what other poster have said--THERE IS NO LEGITIMATE SCIENCE THAT DOUBTS GLOBAL WARMING IS CAUSED BY HUMANS. How is it possible that humans with such astonomical egos can assume they can overpopulate the planet and consume resources with no environmental penalty? One need not look very far afield or back in time to see entire civilzations that collapsed based on such hubris. "
Bill wrote on Jan 22, 2007 7:51 PM:
" Who caused the ice age? We should blame it on cavemen because of their irresponsible use of fire. What a joke... "
Global Warming is Such A Joke ... wrote on Jan 22, 2007 7:14 PM:
" People who believe in that don't understand statistics or the nature equilibrium dynamics that regulate the planet's climate. "
Global Warming Is Junk Science wrote on Jan 22, 2007 7:11 PM:
" There is no evidence to support the global warming theory. Where are YOUR facts? None ... just lots of slanderous insults hurled at people who have the guts to speak the truth.
Where are YOUR facts? There are just as many "scientists" on each side. Check out the 17,000 signatures on the petition rejecting this groundless theory: http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p37.htm "
Mikey wrote on Jan 22, 2007 7:03 PM:
" The Great Lakes are at their lowest level in recorded history: droughts and increased evaporation due to warmer summers and warmer winters. THe arctic ice cap is almost gone. The antarctic ice is disappearing. Mt. Kilamanjaro has no glacier any more. GLacier Park is losing its glaciers rapidly. GLacier Bay AK isn't. Ski lifts in the Alps no longer reach the snow fields. But it is not local climate records that determine whether or not global climate change is occurring. Look up the temperature records - you will find that the record lows trend toward many years ago and the record highs trend tgoward the last 15 years. This year saw the record for the latest date of subzero weather for many communities in the Midwest. Denial is not just a river in Egypt. "
Anti-capitalist? Billy, you're nuts! wrote on Jan 22, 2007 6:56 PM:
" I'm a huge fan of capitalism. As a matter of fact I run my own small business. The laughable idea that concern over detroying the planet is anti-capitalist just shocks me in its utter stupidity. First of all, the need for change opens up all kinds of opportunities for entrepreneurship. Secondly the alternative, allowing the destruction of the climate, is about as anti-capitalist and anti-human as you can get. Third, these polluting industries got where they are today with government help, through direct action (subisdies, etc.) or inaction (failure to regulate). Get real Billy. "
Billy, butt out wrote on Jan 22, 2007 6:45 PM:
" Billy Shields, remove the shields from your eyes. Out of all the peer-reviewed research done on this subject there is NO EVIDENCE THAT CONTRADICTS the global warming theory. Take your conservative agenda and stick it under the sand with your head. If you have some legitimate evidence that all of the scientific community in the world hasn't heard, please share it. Otherwise just shut up. "
Alps glaciers gone by 2050 ... wrote on Jan 22, 2007 6:40 PM:
" that news on the net just now. They ARE melting, but who knows if they will be gone that soon and if by global warming. Many of the "anti" global warming posts strike me as typically American - arrogant and self-absorbed. And we wonder why most of the rest of the world hates us. "
pocket book is where it is at wrote on Jan 22, 2007 4:24 PM:
" Lets conserve energy but we need to convince the general public that it will help them keep their money. Not scare the crap out them of the by screaming the sky is falling, it's all about PR. "
Hea Mikey don't we need global warming wrote on Jan 22, 2007 4:20 PM:
" In order to put those bike lanes in and have them be useful we need global warming to elliminate the snow and cold weather so that we can ride our bikes more. Oh and I am really enjoying my Excel bill lets make the best of it.
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Realistic wrote on Jan 22, 2007 4:18 PM:
" The world is according to science billions of years old and has sustained numerous changes in the climate over this time period. How is it possible that we humans with our astronomical ego's believe that we can impact the climate in a short period of time in either a positive or negative manner, and in whose favor? Manner of the changes that have occurred over this time have resulted in species adapting to the changes and surviving if not thriving. Do not let the hypersensitive critics of our way of life scare us into making changes based on fear alone. To those of you who have the chicken little mentality to believe every popular theory of human based destruction think about it with your head instead of your heart. "
Normal patterns my eye! wrote on Jan 22, 2007 4:07 PM:
" Only in the recent century has the Industrial revolution allowed us to spit carbons into the air at an unprecedented rate. Close yourself in a garage with a car running and you will die ...soon. Therefore, logically, billions of cars spouting fumes plus coal plants, etc., etc. is bad for the planet! Makes sense to me. I don't care what normal warming trends and historical patterns you spout about. WE NEED TO CHANGE OR OUR CHILDREN AND THEIR CHILDREN WILL BE IN A WORLD THAT HURTS, TERRIBLY! "
Ryan G. wrote on Jan 22, 2007 3:01 PM:
" The reason that I don't post any studies or facts about human caused global warming is because there are no facts to support this theory. Well, I guess that is a fact. "
No Matter wrote on Jan 22, 2007 2:46 PM:
" No matter how much credible evidence there is to support the existence of global climate change, you'll never be satisfied. You show your willingness to simply repeat the criticisms of Rush, Papa Bear O'Reilly and the oil companies by regurgitating their tired old lines. You talk about taking personal responsibility when it concerns others, but when it comes down to saving the environment for our children, you think it's "stupid" to believe that there are serious problems with wildly irresponsible consumerism. "
To: Mikey. & again & again again wrote on Jan 22, 2007 1:52 PM:
" Why don't you help us all by start walking to work and everywhere else you go!? Give up every luxury you have including heating your home 100%. Why don't you start us out with saving the earth? Quit using any man made products, because I'm sure anything man made has had to cause some global warming somewhere down the line. Don't wear any cloths either. Yep, why don't you start us off with saving mother earth. If you do, some other idiots are sure to follow your footsteps. In the meantime, I'll keep ruining earth as I was brought up to do! "
eyes wide shut wrote on Jan 22, 2007 1:30 PM:
" Concerning this type of issue there is a lot of clouded thinking and personal belief involved. One of the biggest misunderstandings is that there IS scientific consensus concerning global warming (the earth is getting warming) and its causes (not just sun cycles--mankind has its influence on the climate). For more info realclimate.org is a good starting place (blogs by respectable climatologists and balanced, science-based discussion). Unfortunately, America's clouded thinking on this issue is severely affecting the prospects for the sustainability of human life on this planet. "We're not scaremongering / this is really happening": we are running out of time, but it's nice to see some efforts, even if humble, starting in the La Crosse area. "
Billy Shields: The Usual Suspects wrote on Jan 22, 2007 1:28 PM:
" The man-made "global warming" myth is merely a cover for anti-capitalism. First, look at the groups, "Sierra Club," "progressives," and "sustainability." All anti-capitalist cover/coded words. Remember how they tried to interrupt World Bank and G7 meetings. After the public grew tired of those temper tantrums, they decided to jump on the global warming bandwagon. (Which was formerly the coming Ice Age crowd back in the 70's.) Further evidence is in the comments posted on the blog here from seminar bloggers. The man-made "Global Warming" crowd has little to do with science and everything to do with politics. "
re Junk Science? wrote on Jan 22, 2007 10:54 AM:
" I agree. We often hear or read of solutions that the government needs to initiate, but we as individuals need to take responsibility also (using less fossil fuel such as walking or biking to work/school, consuming less and recycling more, etc). My guess is that those who deny that global warming is a problem are basicaly lazy and have no motivation to try and change themselves. Even if they are right we dont lose anything in trying to initiate some of the solutions. If they are wrong and nothing is done we and our offspring will suffer. Why the controversy and denial? "
Junk science? wrote on Jan 22, 2007 10:09 AM:
" Ya, and the THOUSANDS of scientists worldwide, and HUNDREDS of countries worldwide who feel global warming is legit and a direct result of human behavior are just a bunch of morons evidently. I don't see any of you naysayers posting any studies or facts to back up your point of view. (or credentials for that matter) "
Don't believe the deniers wrote on Jan 22, 2007 9:53 AM:
" Calling this "junk science" is exactly what the propagandists from Exxon Mobil want and are getting paid mightily for. There is NO question among respectable, peer-reviewed scientists on this question desipte what these sheep say. Al Gore's movie is just a popular version of that science and should be required viewing for everyone. We also need to question the motivation and/or sanity of people like "lying liars..." who continue to deny the obvious. The rest of us should continue to work to stop the trend toward a global meltdown. "
Concordia event is sliding scale entrance, $2 to $15 wrote on Jan 22, 2007 9:29 AM:
" No one will be turned away but if you can afford to donate more, please do. It will help pay for facility and speaker. "
Al gore is a fool wrote on Jan 22, 2007 8:14 AM:
" There is no global warming... Explain why the high temp 43 years ago TODAY was 51 degrees? and no global warming then. It is politcal babble and bs. Ever heard of cycles... Yeah That is what is going on. Next thing you know we will be in an Ice age again. "
The Mantra: wrote on Jan 22, 2007 8:03 AM:
" Those evil Capitalists are causing global warming! "
Awesome! wrote on Jan 22, 2007 7:26 AM:
" I'm looking forward to attending a couple of these events. "
Lies and the Lying Liars that tell them wrote on Jan 22, 2007 6:53 AM:
" Man-made global warming theorists deserve a level of notoriety along with holocaust deniers. If anyone pays attention to climatology, or even the weather on the local news, you will see warming and cooling trends over the broad span of time. Currently we're in a cycle the sun is giving off more energy than usual, under water magna activity at a near all-time high and finally, earth is in a wobble cycle taking it closer to the sun. Greenhouse gases? Nah. Just nature. "
Mikey again again wrote on Jan 22, 2007 6:34 AM:
" What can workplaces do? Establish car pool coordinators and designate car pool parking areas close to entrances, work with the city to get bus ride discount passes for employees, low enerty "green" construction in new buildings - that could also be a role for area governments.
It is all about figuring out ways to change our habits by rewarding "good" environmental behavior and making "bad" behavior inconvenient. "
Mikey again wrote on Jan 22, 2007 6:30 AM:
" What can government do? Better ideas for park and ride bus service - rush hour express buses from the mall and Shelby to major workplace stops like FSMC/Viterbo/Gundersen, WTC/UW-L/downtown, etc. Car pool lanes on 16 and 35 and designated car pool parking. Bus service that does not take virtually everyone downtown to transfer: e.g., east-west and north-south bus routes on major streets. Painted bike lanes on streets. "
Mikey wrote on Jan 22, 2007 6:22 AM:
" Many of the things we can do as individuals and as a society to reduce global heating from anthropogenic sources are the same as we should be doing to protect the environment anyway: reduce, reuse, recycle; live where you work and/or carpool; bike or walk when you can; use public transportation; insulate your home; lower thermostats on homes and hot water. "
RYAN G. wrote on Jan 22, 2007 5:08 AM:
" There is no proof out there to back up Al Gore's "junk science" behind the human-caused global warming theory. These liberal agendas that are being pushed on us are just plain wrong and nothing but lies. Please, someone, show me some proof that man has caused earth's temperature to rise. I bet you cannot. "
Mark Jones wrote on Jan 22, 2007 5:06 AM:
" What are we going to do . . .
about global warming? . . . perhaps we can do much, but humans will have no effect on reversing its effects. Just as humans have had little (if anything) to do with recent measured increases of a warming atmosphere, we do not have the power to counteract the effects of the solar cycle, wobbles in the Earth's rotation or perturbations in our orbit around the sun. These factors are far stronger in changing climate than anything we do or even can do.
Meanwhile, when is the pot-luck dinner going to be held where we can discuss changing tectonics, otherwise known (inaccurately) as continental drift? "
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