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Published - Saturday, January 27, 2007

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Navy vet, 80, in it for the long haul


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Al Knorr knows the issues are more complex than what’s on his signs.

He contrasted the words on the signs he carries — “Stop the War Now” and “War is Like Quicksand-Get Out Now or Never” — to words repeated by those on the other side of the argument: “Stay the course.”
Al Knorr of La Crosse holds a one man demonstration Tuesday at the corner of West Ave. and La Crosse Street in La Crosse. Knorr has been protesting for a year and a half at several busy La Crosse intersections. PETER THOMSON photo

“There’s a lot of slogans,” he said, standing outside the La Crosse Post Office on State Street at 8 a.m. Monday.

But Knorr, an 80-year-old Navy veteran who protests the war in Iraq two hours a day, five days a week, talks about more than slogans.

“If you’re going to demonstrate, you better know your reasons for demonstrating,” he said. “We’re apparently trying to raise an army to bring peace to the Iraqis. The only countries that have an army to guarantee peace are dictatorships.”

Of course, some disagree with Knorr. Monday, a man in a red truck honked and waved a middle-finger salute at Knorr. Another walking by called him a “(expletive) Communist (expletive).”

Another day, a woman told Knorr he was not respecting her son, who is in the military.

“I said, ‘I respect your son,’” Knorr said. “‘But I’m sorry, I don’t respect the leaders who have our troops over there.’”

Knorr, a retired psychiatric social worker, began standing around La Crosse with his anti-war signs a year and a half ago, because he thought people opposed to the war were getting little media coverage.

He thinks the U.S. has wasted billions of dollars on the war. He wishes more people knew about the plan by U.S. Sen. Russ Feingold, D-Wis., to bring the troops home.

“We got rid of (Saddam) Hussein,” Knorr said. “The rights are there for the people now. Let us declare victory and bring our troops home.”

He said it’s up to the Iraqis to work peace out among themselves, and at most the U.S. military should ensure other countries don’t become involved in that process.

Standing at any of eight locations around La Crosse —West Avenue and La Crosse Street, the clock tower at the University of Wisconsin-La Crosse, at Losey Boulevard and State Street — Knorr said he hears more support than heckling, and people who disagree usually just pass by silently.

Recently, a car drove by him several times while he stood on the sidewalk by Logan High School. When a police officer came up, Knorr said he knew his rights, and doesn’t talk to anyone unless spoken to first. The officer walked to the car and the car drove away.

“Why are we so afraid?” Knorr asked. “That’s the terrorism. Now Iran is our enemy. China is our enemy. Why? None of that was true before.”

He said his wife of 57 years, with whom he has two sons, sometimes grows concerned about his protests.

“My wife says, ‘Aren’t you worried for yourself?’” Knorr said. “No, I’m not. I believe people are essentially good. We can have differences of opinion. That’s what makes us a democracy.”

Joe Orso can be reached at (608) 791-8429 or jorso@lacrossetribune.com.
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Past Emerson School student wrote on Jan 29, 2007 5:46 PM:

" Mr. Knorr was always a kind guy when crossing my sister and me across lousy blvd. each afternoon as we went on our way from Emerson to our home. I always looked up to him fondly and admired his dedication to us. He was always a grandpa figure to me and my siblings and we trusured memories of him greatly!! Now in college, I have found a new respect for Mr. Knorr and his protest to this killing war. He has reliezed, like so many Americans, that to really help the people of Iraq and ourselves we must end deployment of countless American souls and bring our boys home. This war has taken so many friends of mine (past Logan High School students) to Iraq that I have to say enough is enough already!! Please support our troops and please support Mr. Knorr!! God Bless America. "

Slider wrote on Jan 28, 2007 6:33 PM:

" It looks to me that some of your opinions sound like you have some jealousley in you. First of all the word Terror, Extremist, Al Quidia, Osama, Saddam and there are more names and slogans, that were and are still being said by our decider and cronies, if you say or hear something enough and over time, one tends to believe it. The decider all he did was instill these words in you and now you fear and crumble each time you hear them and think we are going to have another 9/11 tomorrow. There is no warranty to be 100% either way on this. "

This is not WWII wrote on Jan 28, 2007 12:06 PM:

" Lightweights"? Officers in the Japanese army summarily killed our prisoners with a sword to the neck. Their bodies were dispatched to the infirmary so that the doctor could 'harvest' certain internal organs for their Saki/fondue party. This was apparently to give them the power from their fallen enemy. You have no idea what you are talking about. "

TO: This is not WWII wrote on Jan 28, 2007 11:59 AM:

" I am a Vietnam era veteran. My dad fought in Okinawa and the south pacific. Two uncles came home without legs. Another was awarded the DSC and the silver at Bastone. You are an ignorant fool. My post has little to do with the content on his placards, just that you are a fool. I am also betting a fool who has never heard the sound of even a bullet going by. "

to 8:40pm poster wrote on Jan 28, 2007 8:13 AM:

" I'm sure we will all be safe again if they could just get that Osama guy! That would do it! NOT "

This is not WWII wrote on Jan 27, 2007 8:59 PM:

" "Doesn't he realize that The "Japs" he was fighting against are lightweights compared to the radical Jihadists" "

If it is radical Islam... wrote on Jan 27, 2007 8:40 PM:

" Then Iraq has nothing to do with it. To see valuable assets, like interpreters and drones syphoned off out of Afghanistan for the fake war in Iraq is shameless. Better to attack the Saudis. The people who have vowed to destroy us are out there, still plotting. The war in Iraq serves THEIR purpose, and not ours.Where is Osama - confessed murderer of thousands of our citizens? We outsourced the Afghan war to NATO. WHERE IS OSAMA? "

This war is tearing this country apart. wrote on Jan 27, 2007 6:27 PM:

" Bush Cheney Condi Alberto have to be replaced. I hope everything went well in DC today. Cheney was quoted this week that he can't be stopped. On the news tonight a Congressman stated that he must be stopped. Congress will have to put there foot down and stand up against the dictatorship of Bush Cheney. I strongly feel that Bush Cheney are closed off to the rest of America and just ruling from there Oval Office. Blinders. I cant believe this 10 billion that the Dictators are asking for.....its more like demanding. Other countries overthrow dictators we should. "

Re: Substitute Call it what you want wrote on Jan 27, 2007 5:42 PM:

" Call it what you want. Flip the words around. Turn them up-side-down or in-side-out. It changes nothing.. your still going to have Radical Islam. "

The only thing the same wrote on Jan 27, 2007 5:39 PM:

" between Viet Nam & Iraq is that we lose when we let the politicans run the war. All we need to do to fund this war would be to recind the tax breaks for the rich. Then how will you libs be against it then? "

The Sad Truth wrote on Jan 27, 2007 5:02 PM:

" While Bush wastes lives, resources and time in the Iraqi quagmire (No WMD) and his Republican cronies' pockets get filled through no-bid contracts and 'Homeland Security' grants, Osama bin Ladin and his group are still in Afghanistan and other parts of the world gaining support because of Bush's ineptitude, and are organizing their next attacks against us. They will come, the only question is when, where and in what form. We have lost the moral high ground and are less safe now than before the Iraq invasion. "

Emerson school parent wrote on Jan 27, 2007 4:08 PM:

" Mr. Knorr was the traffic guard for my children for several years as they crossed Losey Blvd. to go to Emerson School. They looked up to him then, and they look up to him even more now! "

Substitute wrote on Jan 27, 2007 3:58 PM:

" If you substitute communism for radical Islam in all of this guy's posts, the rhetoric is the same as those in favor of the war in Viet Nam. Saddam Hussein was not a radical Islamist, he was simply a tyrant to his people and neighbors. His claws had been trimmed and his teeth removed so he posed little threat to our security or interests. "

Hey Al wrote on Jan 27, 2007 3:56 PM:

" How large was your placard during the years that Cambodia killing 1/3rd of their country men, women, and children. For as little as wearing glasses? Sudan, Somalia. Croatia, Bosnia, where were you. Hundreds of thousands more in carnage and butchery. Where do we all find the rationalization to turn our heads? "

Bring our troops home... wrote on Jan 27, 2007 3:41 PM:

" Bring our troops home today. And send them back tomarrow... Great plan.. "

Re: Rocket Freedom is Not Free wrote on Jan 27, 2007 3:38 PM:

" Is there a dollor amount you think we should spend on fighting Radical Islam. (It could cost Trillions) Schools will be a thing of the past if we stop the fight against Radical Islam. This is not Mr. Bush's war. This is Americas war for our lifes and our freedom... Freedom is Not Free "

Rocket wrote on Jan 27, 2007 2:34 PM:

" Holmen wants a 4 year old kindergarten. State tuition is going up. Teachers make too much money. These are things you will always here Conservatives and Republicans talking about, complaining about. But, send more troops to Iraq, spend another $10 billion, no problem. Now Bush wants $10 billion for for Afghanistan, and guess which people will be in full support? The same ones that cry whenever we try and spend money on schools. Might as well close all the schools and just spend that money on our military. "

DJ wrote on Jan 27, 2007 2:28 PM:

" Al, if people were essentially good, we wouldn't be in Iraq, nor would we have been in Korea, Viet Nam, or Europe, twice. I'm not sure whether I admire your optimism or your childlike view of life. We are presently engaged with an enemy whose avowed aim is to first kill all those who worship on saturday then those who worship on sunday. Peaceful Islam is a contradiction of terms. "

A shame wrote on Jan 27, 2007 1:45 PM:

" Giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Guess we are really headed down the road to oblivion. Iran and China are our enemies. "

UWL Student wrote on Jan 27, 2007 1:24 PM:

" No matter what anyone's feeling on this "war" is, we should all be able to commend Al for being willing to stand up and say what he believes is right in a dignified, peaceful way. Way to go Al and thanks for the time you spent in the service "

Maybe he would change his tune wrote on Jan 27, 2007 1:15 PM:

" Maybe he has softened a bit since the big war, I wonder how he felt when he was fighting for the cause against Hitler and ToJo. Doesn't he realize that The "Japs" he was fighting against are lightweights compared to the radical Jihadists. Japan wanted us to let them have the Pacific and then live in peace. The radical Jihadists want us and our way of life erased from the earth and they will die for that cause. "

To our troops, Keep up the fight and never stop. America Thanks You wrote on Jan 27, 2007 1:11 PM:

" Thank you for fighting theses crazy people that want us all dead. Thank you for helping the Iraqi people. Thank you for keeping us safe here at home.(no attacts for 5 years) Thank you for doing this job so we can be free Thank you for giving up your time and life, to help other people Thank you for being a true American "

Bushs' Ideals seem Dictator"ish" wrote on Jan 27, 2007 12:39 PM:

" Why Does the US have to intervene with every Countries political business. If the US doesnt like what Irans, N Korea, China even Somalia are doing or harbouring. The US runs to the UN then if Bush don’t like that he threatens them with missles. N. Korea has no cooperation with Iran on Nulear efforts, Bush threatens attack anyway for thinking of cooperation. Ahmadinejad: U.S. Incapable of Inflicting 'Serious Damage' on Iran, Bush takes this as a challenge. Top Senate Democrat Warns Bush Not to Attack Iran Without Congress' Approval, Bush threatens attack on Congress, that’s how much of a nut the World see ol’ georgie. "

Great article wrote on Jan 27, 2007 12:22 PM:

" I'd stand alongside you anytime, Al. I'm with you 100%. "

So we close our eye's to the reality of our demise wrote on Jan 27, 2007 12:14 PM:

" Lets pull our troops home. Let the terrorists take over. They cannot hurt us over there. Thats Iraq's problem not ours. Why should we risk so much to help establish freedom in the middle east? Besides I hear there is big money to be made selling Jihad Conversion Kits. After all is it not a global economy? "

War Vet wrote on Jan 27, 2007 12:12 PM:

" Don't forget that the soldier has given this man the right for freedom of speech. I just want to thank him for using it and for his service in past wars. "

D wrote on Jan 27, 2007 12:01 PM:

" Yea, lets pull right out. That will show em. Every time the going gets tough, America gets going....the opposite way. We cannot run now, I don't care how ugly it gets. We started this thing, and it's not finished. When will it end? Who knows. The soldiers we have signed up knowing that their job could put them in harms way. They will make us proud, if we just support them and quit protesting. "

The Decider has Decided (yet again)... wrote on Jan 27, 2007 11:48 AM:

" This (Iraq) conflict is the difinitive struggle for freedom of the 21st century (so said our War President). We have given our Iraqi friends benchmarks- but not unlimited patience, so if they dont meet expectations we will withdraw support. What message does THAT give to our enemies? IS George "The Decider" Bush aiding the enemy like all those with whom he doesnt agree? By the way, what ever happened to the REAL war against terrorism, against Osama and al-Queda??? Have we given our friends the Pakis benchmarks too, or are we OK with them doing nothing about al-Queda in the western provinces? "

Alan wrote on Jan 27, 2007 11:21 AM:

" "Give me Liberty or give me Death" Freedom is not Free. If you think for one moment that pulling out troops out will make it all go away. You are sadly mistaken. Islamic extremists will NEVER stop until the whole World is under shari law. WE THE PEOPLE that take for granted our freedoms must wake up. For our enemy is relentless and will exploit every sign of weekness. We must take away every possibility of hope our ememy has. For it is within this hope ( of submitting every human to believe in ALLA) That keeps them embolden. This is not a liberal or conservative war. Plain and simple my fellow americans. Bottom line this is in all reality a war. FOR OUR VERY SURVIVAL!!! "

Re: When is the war "won?" wrote on Jan 27, 2007 11:18 AM:

" When the threat of Radical Islam is Gone... It could mean 135,000 more Iraqi civilians dean and 50,000 more U.S. soldiers Killed.. No one realy knows. We have never been at war with Radical Islam before... "

TZ to Red Truck Guy wrote on Jan 27, 2007 10:50 AM:

" Big Man flippin off an 80 year old man...a veteran none the less...hope your parents are proud. Actually, it's people like YOU that are more of a threat to this country...YOU ARE A COWARD. YOU close your ears to anyone whose thoughts or ideas are contrary to yours. I don't agree with Knorr, but it is his right to express his belief. HE, at least, has the guts to let his voice and opinion be known. It's people like YOU that scare this man's wife. The police should not have to protect this man just because he expresses his view. I don't support his view, but I support his right to peacefully, respectfully, and openly express his thoughts. RED TRUCK, grow up, and learn to appreciate the ideas of others. "

When is the war "won?" wrote on Jan 27, 2007 10:45 AM:

" When 35,000 more Iraqi civilians are dead? When 3,000 more U.S. soldiers are dead? Is Iraq really better off today then they were when GW started this ill-advised war? Is the Middle East more stable? Good for you, Al Knorr! Keep up the good work! "

No War wrote on Jan 27, 2007 10:40 AM:

" We need to pull out of Iraq and Give the Terrorists whatever they ask. Money, Land, whatever they want from the USA. Then they wont bother us anymore... It works with Bullys right? Right ;) "

Radical Islam agrees with Knorr.... wrote on Jan 27, 2007 10:38 AM:

" Radical Islam agrees with Knorr, They want our troops out of there so they can start rebuilding and planning their next attack on the US with our troops out of their way.. Knorr seems to be just the man to help them accomplish that goal. Him and all of the others crying for a return of the troops before the job is done. If you really want to "help" our troops, then support them in this mission. The sign should read "FIGHT RADICAL ISLAM". " "

Our Troops, in it for the long haul wrote on Jan 27, 2007 10:36 AM:

" Our troops, are also in it for the long haul. Our troops will fight radical islam until radical islam is gone for good... "

The World already know the Americans arent 100% behind this war wrote on Jan 27, 2007 10:34 AM:

" If we were 100% behind this war that would sound like a dictatorship. President Bush is leading by dictatorship. The facts are the war doesnt work. Iraq isnt going to work for itself. The war was started for reasons that turned out to be false. Ppl say to fight Radical Islam, Now us Ho-Chunks were saying when you Christians came "Fight Radical Christainity" Just follow Dicator Bush and put $3.00agallon in your Red Truck tank. yeehaawww "

I am sorry wrote on Jan 27, 2007 10:14 AM:

" Most of the people are not offering their counseling patients tea or coffee before a session in a soft voice with your most comfortable slip ons. A good part of the world is underfed, under the influence of a self serving regime, and kill their populus routinely. Oh what the heck, we can't see it, so why worry about it, it won't affect us? "

Al wrote on Jan 27, 2007 9:52 AM:

" Really, when do we intercede as a country? The US and UN sat while men, woman, and children were literally butchered in Cambodia, Sudan, Somalia, Croatia, and Iraq. While they sat on their thumbs in their safe chairs. When do we make that choice to help? You are most certainly old enough to remember Neville Chamberlain. Signed-waiting for an answer. "

This is unique? wrote on Jan 27, 2007 9:24 AM:

" An 80 year old curmudgeon who wants everybody to know that he knows everything. Huh, that's unusual. NOT! "

The guy in the Red Truck wrote on Jan 27, 2007 9:24 AM:

" What this guy and other peace protesters get into their heads is that they encourage our enemies and demoralize our troops. Does anyone really think we'd be having such a hard time in Iraq and Afghanistan if the enemy knew the American people were 100% committed and were in this war through thick or thin? You are helping to kill our troops, old man. "

Bring Our Troops And Then What? wrote on Jan 27, 2007 9:22 AM:

" Bring our troops home and then what? Radical Islam just goes away? I would love to hear what happens to Radical Islam after our troops are home. "

U.S. has wasted billions of dollars ? wrote on Jan 27, 2007 9:16 AM:

" The Iraqi kids attending their new schools don't think its a waste. The 12 million voters that voted for the first time in 20 years don't think its a waste. I myself don't think its a waste of billions to bring the same freedoms to others that we enjoy in this great Country. "

Iraq War Vet wrote on Jan 27, 2007 9:14 AM:

" I agree with this man 100%. Note the Title navy VET. He's probably been in a war, im sure the man with the red pick up truck and all other's who heckled him have not. I wish we had more like him. Thank you sir for your service -Iraq War Vet "

guswho wrote on Jan 27, 2007 9:10 AM:

" I'm with you Al 100%. "

We didnt sent your loved ones wrote on Jan 27, 2007 8:29 AM:

" Your loved ones volunteered and were trained to follow orders from there superiors. Now when thier immediate superiors second guess the high superiors theres something wrong. This war was started by bushs' personal agenda and the best interest of his inner circle. There weere no WMD or chemical munnitions. Is Mr. Knorr and I have similiar feelings about this? Or Are we blind to something that you'll see besides the dictatorship bush has started just to pick fights with Iran and China most recently. Then last year it was North Koreas turn to get bullied by bush. "

Mr Knorr Democracy at work wrote on Jan 27, 2007 8:12 AM:

" Thanx Mr Knorr for speaking up for me..I have similair or even the same attitude towards the war. And you make a excellenct point comcerning China and Iran. Thier governments see the weakness that we have neglected, in ourselves and are taking advantage of that. People listen and think about what Mr. Knorrs' 80 years on this earth and country have taught him. Hes a Patriot. He is in no way disrespecting any of our servicepersons, the commander in chief is the one disrespecting our Troops. No Respect from the President. He is being a dictator IMO, if this was happening in a diffrent county he would be taken out of office. For ruling under a dictatorship. "

Mikey wrote on Jan 27, 2007 7:08 AM:

" Why would anyone be upset that he is out there? Agree with him? Disagree with him? If he should be afraid to be out there, then we all should be afraid of the direction this country is headed in as a people - intolerance of dissent by the people is the first step to totalitarianism. "

Keep up the good fight Al! wrote on Jan 27, 2007 6:44 AM:

" My hat's off to you! "

The 80 Year- Old Navy Veteran Does Not Understand Radical Islam wrote on Jan 27, 2007 12:36 AM:

" Can you imagine what would happen in this country if we were not able to elect our officials every 2 & 4 years?????? It would not be the great country that it is! Freedoms are what make America great. And who are we to think that not everyone deserves the same basic rights. Radical Islam agrees with Knorr, They want our troops out of there so they can start rebuilding and planning their next attack on the US with our troops out of their way.. Knorr seems to be just the man to help them accomplish that goal. Him and all of the others crying for a return of the troops before the job is done. If you really want to "help" our troops, then support them in this mission. The sign should read "FIGHT RADICAL ISLAM". "

This 80 Year Old Navy Veteran Does Not Understand Radical Islam wrote on Jan 27, 2007 12:30 AM:

" Bring our troops home and then what? Radical Islam just ends? I don't think so... This is a very real problem. Whether you like this administration or not, Radical Islam Wants you & democracy dead and won't stop until you are. (remember 9-11-01) Knorr thinks the U.S. has wasted billions of dollars on the war. Wasted? I don't think the Iraqi kids attending their new schools think it's a waste. The 12 million new Iraqi voters don't think it's a waste after more than 20 years of not being able to vote for a leader. Our Troops you want to bring home don't think it's a waste. "


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