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Critics say melting ice means climate situation more dire than scientists will report this week


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WASHINGTON — Later this week in Paris, climate scientists will issue a dire forecast for the planet that warns of slowly rising sea levels and higher temperatures.

But that may be the sugarcoated version.
Early and changeable drafts of their upcoming authoritative report on climate change foresee smaller sea level rises than were projected in 2001 in the last report. Many top U.S. scientists reject these rosier numbers. Those calculations don’t include the recent, and dramatic, melt-off of big ice sheets in two crucial locations:

They “don’t take into account the gorillas — Greenland and Antarctica,” said Ohio State University earth sciences professor Lonnie Thompson, a polar ice specialist. “I think there are unpleasant surprises as we move into the 21st century.”

Michael MacCracken, who until 2001 coordinated the official U.S. government reviews of the international climate report on global warming, has fired off a letter of protest over the omission.

The melting ice sheets in Greenland and Antarctica are a fairly recent development that has taken scientists by surprise. They don’t know how to predict its effects in their computer models. But many fear it will mean the world’s coastlines are swamped much earlier than most predict.

Others believe the ice melt is temporary and won’t play such a dramatic role.

That debate may be the central one as scientists and bureaucrats from around the world gather in Paris to finish the first of four major global warming reports by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. The panel was created by the United Nations in 1988.

After four days of secret word-by-word editing, the final report will be issued Friday.

The early versions of the report predict that by 2100 the sea level will rise anywhere between five and 23 inches. That’s far lower than the 20 to 55 inches forecast by 2100 in a study published in the peer-review journal Science this month. Other climate experts, including NASA’s James Hansen, predict sea level rise that can be measured by feet more than inches.

The report is also expected to include some kind of proviso that says things could be much worse if ice sheets continue to melt.

The prediction being considered this week by the IPCC is “obviously not the full story because ice sheet decay is something we cannot model right now, but we know it’s happening,” said Stefan Rahmstorf, a climate panel lead author from Germany who made the larger prediction of up to 55 inches of sea level rise. “A document like that tends to underestimate the risk,” he said.

“This will dominate their discussion because there’s so much contentiousness about it,” said Bob Corell, chairman of the Arctic Climate Impact Assessment, a multinational research effort. “If the IPCC comes out with significantly less than one meter (about 39 inches of sea level rise), there will be people in the science community saying we don’t think that’s a fair reflection of what we know.”

In the past, the climate change panel didn’t figure there would be large melt of ice in west Antarctica and Greenland this century and didn’t factor it into the predictions. Those forecasts were based only on the sea level rise from melting glaciers (which are different from ice sheets) and the physical expansion of water as it warms.

But in 2002, Antarctica’s 1,255-square-mile Larsen B ice shelf broke off and disappeared in just 35 days. And recent NASA data shows that Greenland is losing 53 cubic miles of ice each year — twice the rate it was losing in 1996.

Even so, there are questions about how permanent the melting in Greenland and especially Antarctica are, said panel lead author Kevin Trenberth, chief of climate analysis at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Colorado.

While he said the melting ice sheets “raise a warning flag,” Trenberth said he wonders if “some of this might just be temporary.”

University of Alabama at Huntsville professor John Christy said Greenland didn’t melt much within the past thousand years when it was warmer than now. Christy, a reviewer of the panel work, is a prominent so-called skeptic. He acknowledges that global warming is real and man-made, but he believes it is not as worrisome as advertised.

Those scientists who say sea level will rise even more are battling a consensus-building structure that routinely issues scientifically cautious global warming reports, scientists say. The IPCC reports have to be unanimous, approved by 154 governments — including the United States and oil-rich countries such as Saudi Arabia — and already published peer-reviewed research done before mid-2006.

Rahmstorf, a physics and oceanography professor at Potsdam University in Germany, says, “In a way, it is one of the strengths of the IPCC to be very conservative and cautious and not overstate any climate change risk.”

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George Orwell was correct... wrote on Feb 11, 2007 7:04 AM:

" ...we have become mindless automatons who follow what the "experts" say and what governments "dictate" as truth. An entire generation grew up being taught a THEORY that was accepted as fact. And every weather-related fluctuation that is "on the warm side" is treated as if it is proof that the theory is embedded in concrete. THINK and QUESTION before crowning anything as fact. The "boomer" generation is supposed to be "superior" in this aspect yet will "worship" any idea if it fits an agenda. Liberals like to preach " think globally...". Great, but there is an even bigger picture of history. If any "warming" that has occurred over the last 40 yrs was dangerous--indeed perveyors of misinformation predicted death to the earth by 2000--then we would see evidence of it, as oppossed to the liberal assignment of "selected data" into "gospel" area of "truth". "

Warden wrote on Feb 1, 2007 9:29 AM:

" I read some articles online from posters regarding scientist opposing global warming, and the reaction from other scientists was that the studies were not credible studies. "

ON THE OTHER HAND.... wrote on Jan 31, 2007 9:51 PM:

" ..."Antartic Ice Sheet Mass Balance" by Wingham et al, from the "Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society A". This study "analyzed 1.2 x 10 to the 8th power satellite altimeter echoes to determine the changes in volume of the Antarctic ice sheet from 1992 to 2003" Results? The Antarctic ice sheet is GROWING at the rate of + or - 1mm per year (1992 - 2003). Additionally, the study concludes that "contrary to all the horror stories one hears about global warming-induced mass wastage of the Antarctic ice sheet leading to rising sea levels...the most recent decade of pertinent real-world data suggest that forces leading to just the opposite effect are apparently prevailing even in the face of what alarmists typically describe as the greatest warming of the world in the past two millenia or more"." "

Warden...oops wrote on Jan 30, 2007 6:55 PM:

" I've now looked at the other posts and see that there are scientists with actual studies indicating that man is not to blame for global warming. I appologize for not doing a thorough amount of research and depending on the media to tell the whole story. Thank you for showing me my error. I will have to rethink this whole issue. "

Warden, just google it! wrote on Jan 30, 2007 12:23 PM:

" If you are incapable of googling this, then I really have to question anything you ever say. Plus there is a post just prior to yours that outlines at least 3 opponents. "

Warden wrote on Jan 30, 2007 10:02 AM:

" I have asked for people to find scientist who oppose man caused global warming theories. (I don't think we'll have any, because there aren't any). I thought I would put some websites by with research from respected scientists who think global warming has been caused by man. http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2005; http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/2005/ann/global.html "

Warden wrote on Jan 30, 2007 9:45 AM:

" People have said that there are "plenty of scientists who do not subscribe to the global warming theories". You still did not give me any scientist names. First it is not debatable in the science community that global warming is happening. All agree that the earth is warming. The only thing up for debate is that globabl warming is human caused. There have been no scientists who have come up with a global warming theory who thinks it isn't caused by man. Give me some non-man caused global warming scientist names, I'll look at their work, and then I will change my stance. Until then I won't hold my breath waiting for you. "

Trace this! wrote on Jan 29, 2007 11:00 PM:

" Do your own research and for once think outside of what the liberal media is spoon feeding you! "The Sky is Falling! NOT" hits it sqare on the head! And, oh by the way, where is the opposing or alternative view to this article? Is there not an opposing view? Or is it just not reported by a liberal press? You wouldn't recognize bias when it hits you square between the eyes. "

The sky is falling!!! NOT wrote on Jan 29, 2007 9:33 PM:

" The sun causes Global warming. So says renowned astrophysicist Robert Ehrlich of George Mason University, climate physicist S. Fred Singer and Dennis Avery, senior fellow at the Hudson Institute, and Dr Sami Solanki, the director of the renowned Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research in Gottingen, Germany, to name a few. Reduce your own energy costs by driving less, recycling, etc., but thinking you are having any effect on the planet is ridiculous. If you really think man is causing Earth's warming, then how do you explain why Mars is also warming up too? "

Trace IP Addresses? wrote on Jan 29, 2007 7:00 PM:

" It seems you would have our freedoms extinct prior to our own demise. Great critical thinking on a level of ..oh..I don't know, Stalin? Salem Witch Trials? Next eclipse, please don't go around yelling "Light in sky gone!" Look, the Trib had a slow news day. Now, I know you don't read beyond page one, but you have to relax. Tomorrow there will be another story that will take your mind off this one.Everything's cool buddy. No conspiracy, no big oil company writing in. Chill...Bwahahahahah! "

Crazy right-wingers at it again! wrote on Jan 29, 2007 5:41 PM:

" The wingnuts are out in force on this board. Are the deniers suicidal or are they just trying to bring about the "end times"? Either way, they're determined to take all of the rest of us with them. "

The nay-sayers are back! wrote on Jan 29, 2007 5:38 PM:

" Again, I think the Tribune should trace the IP addresses of these folks who post denials of global warming. I'm convinced that the messages are all coming from Exxon Mobil or their affilliated think-tanks. "

To: To Warden: @3:19 wrote on Jan 29, 2007 5:36 PM:

" You are so full of baloney you should be committed! Seeing left-wing conspiracies everywhere. Please, if there are legitmate scientists with peer-reviewed work who disagree with the concensus on global warming, post links to their work here. The entire world is waiting to hear what these supposed "scientists" have to say. We've heard from the real scientists who have done the hard work. They have ALL come to a different conclusion than you. Please explain why you are right and all the wise people in the world are wrong. "

For Sale: wrote on Jan 29, 2007 5:22 PM:

" I'm convinced now and have a really good deal on some ocean front property. "

Scott wrote on Jan 29, 2007 4:17 PM:

" I wonder if this puts me in the flood plain now? "

Mikey again wrote on Jan 29, 2007 3:59 PM:

" I refer readers to the Pew Center for Global Climate Change (www.pewclimate.org). This is no left wing bunch of nutcases, but an organization of over 40 major American corporations who are banding together to try to do something about climate change, which (their words) requires "a fundamental shift from an economy based on traditional burning of fossil fuels to one based on more efficient energy production, generation, and use; increased use of low-carbon energy; capture and storage of carbon from fossil fuels; as well as adaptation to the changes that are already taking place." "

Mikey to "To Mikey 1:12 PM wrote on Jan 29, 2007 3:52 PM:

" There are solutions: renewable energy, which takes energy like sun light that is already on the planet and converts it to other forms. Even nuclear energy can be a short term solution to stemming the tide of burning fossil fuels. Curbing population growth is a must. Remember ZPG "try for 2"? Even simple ideas like mass transit instead of autos, energy efficient homes and businesses. If we reduced back to 1960 levels PER CAPITA we would stop the increase in global CO2. It is only doom and gloom if we keep going on the same road we are on now. "

To Warden: wrote on Jan 29, 2007 3:19 PM:

" There are plenty of scientist who do not subscribe to the "global warming" theories being pushed by the left wing loonies. But you will never hear their voices because it doesn't fit the left wing agenda that the left wing media so easily accepts. And does any one have rock-solid evidence that proves the current climate changes are truly man made? NO! So don't go accepting one side too soon. True scientific theory will prove one over the other. The media will not prove a thing! "

Keep on laughing wrote on Jan 29, 2007 2:40 PM:

" Ignorance is bliss, right? I highly recommend the movie IDIOCRACY. You'll see the long-range benefits of the ecological narcissism. But you'll die soon enough, right? Who cares what happens to anyone else. "

There is a very easy solution for global warming. wrote on Jan 29, 2007 2:07 PM:

" Have the Common Council pass an ordinance against global warming. Problem solved. Next problem please. "

I'll fight it! wrote on Jan 29, 2007 1:18 PM:

" That does it! i'm openin' the winders right now and turnin' the fan on! "

To Mikey wrote on Jan 29, 2007 1:12 PM:

" I will pull my head out of the sand and concede everything you say will happen. What are the solutions? How about everyone stops driving tomorrow? We will reduce the green house gases by as little as 10% and as great as 30% (based on research included in these reports) So now what? Everything you have written will still happen, instead of 75 years out it will take 100 years. What have we gained? You say the world is doomed, and us going back to the time of cavemen will not stop what you write. That is why people put there heads into the ground, it is doom and gloom with no way out. "

Warden wrote on Jan 29, 2007 12:36 PM:

" What I would like to know is this: Are there any scientists that have proven that global warming is not the cause of man? Everything I've heard from scientists is that global warming is real and man caused. I've found that critics of man caused global warming have no evidence and are just stating their opinions. So all you global warming opponents - tell me the scientist who has proven there is no such thing as man caused global warming. "

Stephanie wrote on Jan 29, 2007 10:48 AM:

" I have no problem aknowledging global warming. I personally, perceive it to be a very serious issue. What concerns me the most, however, is that no one else seems to care enough to make an effort to fight it. "

re facts wrote on Jan 29, 2007 10:48 AM:

" It is idiotic to dismiss this as "socialist agenda" propaganda. Your "facts" dont necessarily equate to cause and effect, nor do they disprove man-induced global warming. "

To George: wrote on Jan 29, 2007 10:29 AM:

" Stop believing in fairy tales to make everything better. "

Hoax wrote on Jan 29, 2007 9:54 AM:

" There is no long term global warming, it is just political BS. Is anyone here old enough to remember the Age Ice issues of the 1970's. I was not alive then, but it can be found with a little bit of research... Think about it. We are in a cycle where we are a little closer to the sun than normal. Do you think that Humans can effect the earth more than the sun? "

To Facts. wrote on Jan 29, 2007 9:11 AM:

" Don't you know the facts don't matter? Talk about "inconvenient truths"? "

It Is real! wrote on Jan 29, 2007 7:48 AM:

" Last summer I did notice that the ice in my gin & tonic was disappearing way faster than it used to. Maybe I'm getting older and slower at drinking, but it does concern me. I don't own a new fridge, so it takes alot more time and energy to make new cubes. I thought perhaps this was a local problem, but now I find out it's global. Well, hopefully our government will be onto this and create some new positions and throw a little money at it. "

Facts wrote on Jan 29, 2007 7:28 AM:

" The only thing that is melting the ice in the artic and antarctic is the increase amount of magma displacement causing underwater volcanic activity. Combine that with increased solar energy and the earth's current wobble cycle. Nothing like facts to interfere with the socialsist agenda. "

Mikey again again wrote on Jan 29, 2007 7:20 AM:

" The changing ocean temperature changes the weather patterns so previously beneficial climate patterns for agriculture in the USA shift to dryer, hotter patterns. Drought and crop failure inthe north, freezes in the south. Permanent El Nino.These are not rantings, but predictions based on climate change models that have been pretty accurate in the past and are gaining consensus among climate scientists. Put your head in the sand if you want, but even corporations, the World Trade Forum, and many conservatives (like John McCain) acknowledge the problem. "

Mikey again wrote on Jan 29, 2007 7:11 AM:

" The Arctic Ocean has more and more open water. The open water reflects less sunlight than ice does in Arctic summer, so the warming accelerates. The ice melt dilutes the ocean salt water, so ocean currents change. This affects marine plant life. This affects the food chain, which affects fishing, which affects us. "

Mikey wrote on Jan 29, 2007 7:08 AM:

" Glaciers in the Alps, the Andes, Greenland, and Alaska are disappearing at record pace. How many millions of people get their water from rivers whose origins are glacier melt. Think what a 1 foot rise in ocean levels means to New Orleans, Miami, and NYC. Now think what it means to Bangladesh - the whole country of hundreds of millions of people is at sea level. They will have to leave. Where will they go? Here? "

George wrote on Jan 29, 2007 4:38 AM:

" He who parted the sea so His people could walk through on dry land can certainly stop the ice melt-down. "


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