I do not care...... wrote on Feb 12, 2007 6:50 PM:
" what teaching entity you use. The numbers of slots that they are finding hard to fill are small. What definitely looms large is the number of private sector workers that have no health care coverage. They say 10%. Well lets take 1/2 away from the general population, now that would become 20% without insurance in the private sector in WI. Private sector workers that is. We pay less, our testing is OK, and people come here because it is a beautiful, livable area, period. There is no shortage of applicants. The Chancellor had 60 wasn't it. Thee they go bumping themselves running with a leg on each side of a fence. "
Competition? wrote on Feb 12, 2007 6:02 PM:
" I didn't realize that the top gay minds were choosing jobs elsewhere over Wisconsin. I guess I didn't realize the level of competition between state jobs to court gay workers. Good thing we have Doyle to ensure that we try to retain their services here. "
Re;re; Re: Everyone wrote on Feb 12, 2007 4:05 PM:
" It's not the government’s job to provide anyone with healthcare. I've never read that in the constitution. "
Spin spin spin wrote on Feb 12, 2007 2:22 PM:
" Now once again the losing side of gay marriage has to come up with "The people are too stupid to have voted the right way. They didn't understand the vote. They were confused." Come on people we voted agaisnt gay marriage, we all know that yes meant voting against the ammendment. Don't keep trying to cofuse yourselves. You lost! Give it up! try going to another state and spewe your propaganda!Wisconsin doesn't want you here! Move on! "
Correction for wrote on Feb 12, 2007 12:51 PM:
" To "No Way" and your comment, "The state voted on marriage, as well as all the "rights" in November, and the MAJORITY voted NO!" If the majority had voted NO, gay marriage would have passed. If you voted "YES", you voted for traditional man/woman marriage and against gay marriage. If you voted "NO", you voted for gay marriage! I don't believe we know the true outcome of that vote because it was confusing and many people voted the wrong way. "
Here is how it was done wrote on Feb 12, 2007 12:29 PM:
" In the beginning local schools and colleges like WTC started to offer 'domestic partner coverage. When questioned they already had a prepared complex, involved mantra. They stated that this offer to domestic partners was very limited and did not add to the total package from their respective carriers. Then if you paid attention closely when it comes to government employee contract negotiations they use comparables. Well surprise, surprise, surprise, They use entities with domestic partner coverage in place. Now to level the playing field and offer it 'State wide'. What we now are experiencing is a well thought out, planned orchestrated game of 'leap frog'. The problem is it has gone on in may areas of pay/benefits/government professions and private sector was passed by. If you thought it was expensive, wait until it is free! "
Go to the benefit office of WTC or Lacrosse Schools wrote on Feb 12, 2007 11:01 AM:
" You may pick up a domestic 'affidavit' there. Read it! It will explain itself. This will suck all heterosexual live in pals as well. The cost will once more be staggering, $12-1600 per month for a couple. Do not forget post retirement health coverage at early 55. Sometimes all you need is 10 years served. There is more here than initially meets the eye. "
TO: Nestor, you're full of baloney wrote on Feb 12, 2007 10:28 AM:
" I have done soemthing you have not, my homework! Go to WTC and Larosse schools, ask them for a domestic partner 'afadavit'. Fortune 500? Wrong again!, we are seeing these large Corps go bankrupt or file chapter 11 in unprecedented numbers. We are seeing buy outs of 10 of billions of dollars because of these very same bad management decisons. Also the vast majority of business is small like mine, who Doyle inteneds to throw the 'mandated' burden on for those left last standing without coverage. With no idea where the money will come from. He does not care he has his voting segment. The gap widens, and employers and elderly leave by the droves. Who do you know in the private who receives post retirement coverage? "
Nestor wrote on Feb 12, 2007 9:00 AM:
" I do not agree with this coverage, although I am sorry it is too late. You see these Democrats already have their voting segment to keep power. They do not need you in the private working segment. It will pass. "Wisconsins largest employers" offer these benefits? Yes osme have, as we watch many of these fortune 500 Companies go Chapter 11 or do expensive personnel buy outs due to bad contracts like these by management in record numbers. Also most of the private sector business is made up of 'small guys'. The 'small guys' who Doyle is ultimately planning to drop the burden of health cost for the remaining standing who are not covered with health coverage. More to come yet, get out your checkbook. "
Re To: "my money" wrote on Feb 11, 2007 11:26 PM:
" It's not my money you say? It's the taxpayers? Who do you think pays the taxes and funds the government, I'd think that since I pay many forms of taxes that'd make me a part of this. It is our duty to question where our money is going. Why should I have to struggle to fit the bill for my families medical costs than help pay for the benefits for domestic partners that my state voted that we don't legally recognize? "
Lies... wrote on Feb 11, 2007 10:44 PM:
" Does anyone remember this line of bull from Doyle? "Wisconsin must remain the state of opportunity for all. We must fight to ensure that middle class families thrive. Two weeks from tonight, I'll present a budget designed to do just that, while putting our fiscal house in order. It will cut waste and yes, cut taxes for hardworking Wisconsin families."
I'm not seeing that happening. It seems more like our Gov. is looking for every way possible to raise taxes.
"
Over Taxed wrote on Feb 11, 2007 10:43 PM:
" my money 10:42: WHAT? Where the h3ll do you think that money came from. Bet your arse it IS OUR money. Government takes 33% of what we earn and you favor them taking more? America is a Capitalist society, not Socialist or Communist. Please take you Socialist ideas and go to France. "
Government workers wrote on Feb 11, 2007 7:32 PM:
" Already make enough money to pay their own insurance, Why pass it on to the people. You can't tell me their living below the poverty level, come on! "
Whobetta? wrote on Feb 11, 2007 7:17 PM:
" Sorry-the 3rd sentece of my last post should have read "but thanks anyway". My bad. "
re; Re: Everyone wrote on Feb 11, 2007 7:11 PM:
" I wish I could take the trip. Having to wait 2 months to see a doctor is better than never ... isn't it? (duh-yes) I haven't had insurance in years ... as well ... haven't had a full physical or blood work done since 2000. Situations keep people down, without insurance, and I'd be thrilled to have to wait 2 months! County says I don't qualify, free clinic, don't qualify, as well, they don't do preventative work. I'd wait 2 months with a smile on my face, if that is the only negative, still sounds a HECK OF A LOT BETTER than nothing!!! "
Nestor wrote on Feb 11, 2007 6:18 PM:
" They do not want you to know that heterosexual pals will be pulled along with this coverage. Then these bureaucrats/Democrats can point at the higher court as the reason for this huge added cost when they make a ruling that you may not do one without the other. Meanwhile private sector workers will be once again not encompassed and left holding the tinted end of the stick. The disparity now is shameless. It can easily be proven that the gap has only widened in the last twenty or so years. This will do little to help the poor and the elderly who actually turn a profit by placing a brick on a brick each day or a hamburger on a bun. This opens a new can of worms that they would not like to discuss or share. "
Whobetta? wrote on Feb 11, 2007 5:40 PM:
" No thanks. I don't care to pay for health care benefits for "friends" of state employees. But thanks for my money. Keep your hands out of my pocket. "
Nestor, you're full of baloney wrote on Feb 11, 2007 5:15 PM:
" Where do you get your information that all people have to do is show a joint checkbook? Yeah, I thought you made that part up. And as for the gap increasing for private sector workers, again, baloney! Take a look at how many Fortune 500 companies offer exactly this kind of benefits package--more than half. Its not because they love gay people. Its because it makes good business sense and offers those companies embracing the policy a competitive advantage. That is just what the state should be doing. "
Re: Everyone wrote on Feb 11, 2007 4:48 PM:
" Looks like you need to take the trip. Then you can tell others about waiting 2 months to get a doctors appointment(non emergency,Similar to our walk-in), 6 months to see a specialist (after getting a referral from the general doctor) and a year for surgery. Since your over there you should find out about excessive taxes they pay to find all this. Then maybe you'll understand why Canadians are coming to the USA for medical treatment. Being the best is costly, but you get what you pay for. "
DJ wrote on Feb 11, 2007 4:40 PM:
" He still doesn't get it. Will soneone please wake up the Governor and ask him to review he last election results? WE CAN'T AFFORD YOU! "
Doug wrote on Feb 11, 2007 4:38 PM:
" How come the gays are only the best and the brightest? "
I will never again vote for Doyle wrote on Feb 11, 2007 4:37 PM:
" Last November, the people of Wisconsin said loudly what they thought regarding gays. If Doyle wants to go against the grain, he can do so with out my support. "
I... wrote on Feb 11, 2007 2:50 PM:
" think that is their point Katie... it (the idea from bid G) sounds "ridiculous." "
Nestor wrote on Feb 11, 2007 12:52 PM:
" I have been posting it is a 'private sector health care crisis'. Government employees, politicians have coverage. Actually most teaching facilities already have this benefit. That is coverage for gay or straight domestic partners by virtue of obtaining a checkbook with both names and an affidavit of cohabitation. No joint ownership, no tenant in common, nothing. They do not tell you that all heterosexual employees will be able to cover their live-in-pals. You cannot offer one without the other. Meanwhile the gap between public/private sectors will grow even wider. Then most important remember that you will offer them post retirement benefits worth $140,000 and up for a ten year period until 65. There is more here than at first glance. He is buying votes for his power and the next election. The gap increases for private workers. "
Katie wrote on Feb 11, 2007 11:50 AM:
" Obviously there is a very thin line when looking at this issue, but to post comments about your "16 girlfriends" or having your son be your "partner?" Come on, instead of making a valid argument, you just sound ridiculous. I would rather my tax dollars support a gay couple who has been together for several years than all of the boyfriend/husband hopping single mothers and their multiple-fathered children. "
Everyone wrote on Feb 11, 2007 11:41 AM:
" Make health care free to everyone, problem solved. Take a trip to Canada and see how they do it, then bring it back to Wisconsin. Doyle is such a joke, such a joke. "
Imagine wrote on Feb 11, 2007 11:39 AM:
" Imagine how easy it would be for anyone to get health insurance ... all you have to do is say your living with a state employee? Those people will be able to dole out insurance to their buddies and friends like no end. This is insane, shouldn't the state be encouraging marriage, instead of giving benefits for shaking up? Insane. "
hogwash wrote on Feb 11, 2007 11:36 AM:
" If you can't extend it to every citizen first, you shouldn't do it for your cronies. This guy is a Joke. "
it won't affect you wrote on Feb 11, 2007 10:56 AM:
" There's a total of 8000 gay couples in the state of WI. How many do you think actually work for the state out of that 8000? It's amazing how many people flip out as soon as gays and benefits are in the same sentence without even realizing that it is still a very small number and I've got news for you: You're not going to be paying through the nose for it so get over it! "
To: "my money" wrote on Feb 11, 2007 10:42 AM:
" Its not your money. It is taxpayer dollars which should go to the improvement of the state. Providing benefits to state employees helps to guarantee the state's competitive position which is a legitimate investment in personnel. "
So, "No Way"... wrote on Feb 11, 2007 10:40 AM:
" ...You got yours so everyone else is on their own, eh? Let me guess; You're a straight, white, protestant male who lives in relative comfort at well above the poverty line. You have an education (paid for with tax dollars) and a decent, middle-class job. And you did it all by yourself, right? No help from anyone else in society? Wrong. Your position is society was garnered by the hard work of others as well--people who deserve benefits guaranteed by the state. "
I think the County should have a raffle wrote on Feb 11, 2007 9:41 AM:
" to publicize this new unfunded mandate as once it starts it will trickle down. "
Alright!!! wrote on Feb 11, 2007 9:18 AM:
" My son has no health care coverage. This will solve it!!! I'll just claim him as a "partner" and he's taken care of. Who says I can't have my son as my "partner"? I think I'll take out an ad asking if anyone else wants to be my "partner". I'm a very affectionate guy!
"
Wisconsin Hypocrites wrote on Feb 11, 2007 9:05 AM:
" Yes, the majority voted FOR the constitutional amendment. The majority also voted FOR a Governor who would work to overturn it. Don’t complain, this IS what the majority asked for. "
Can anybody say UNCONSTITUTIONAL wrote on Feb 11, 2007 8:00 AM:
" Here we go, the lawsuit should cost the taxpayers millions. Doyle should concentrate on education at all levels and reducing property taxes. "
Allow gay marriage wrote on Feb 11, 2007 7:47 AM:
" and Doyle's proposal becomes a moot point. Committed relationships are what stabilizes the world regardless of gender and should be encouraged. "
The real world wrote on Feb 11, 2007 7:35 AM:
" Why should the taxpayers have to pay for friends of state employees? "
The Wizard wrote on Feb 11, 2007 7:11 AM:
" Megan Sapnar doesn't sound like one of the best and brightest to me. She sounds like a poster child for what is wrong with Madison and the UW system. "
Good for all wrote on Feb 11, 2007 6:59 AM:
" Make group health insurance benefits to domestic partners available to all Wisconsin residents. Government employees can stop being treated better then everyone else. "
Unbelievable wrote on Feb 11, 2007 4:23 AM:
" So now I won't have to even be married to get all these benifits? This is going to cost Wisconsin Billions in the end. Can I get coverage for all sixteen of my girlfriends? We all live together and I consider them all my partners. I can't marry any of them because I don't want to put any one above the rest. If I could marry all of them leagally, I would. "
My money wrote on Feb 11, 2007 12:11 AM:
" Does Doyle have any more ways to spend my money? I'm sure taxes will be raised somewhere to account for the added money eneded to provide benefits for unions our state has voted on as something the majority doesn't agree with. Where does it all stop? "
No Way! wrote on Feb 10, 2007 11:47 PM:
" The state voted on marriage, as well as all the "rights" in November, and the MAJORITY voted NO! I, as well as the majority of adults in this state, do NOT want tax money spent to offer benefits to UNMARRIED couples, gay or straight. If you want the legal benefits of marriage, get married. And if you can't because you are gay, well, that is not my problem. "
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