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Published - Wednesday, February 14, 2007

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McCarthy, Favre still haven’t talked


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GREEN BAY — Mike McCarthy isn’t all that different than the rest of us when it comes to Brett Favre.

The Green Bay Packers’ coach hasn’t heard much from his star quarterback yet, either, since Favre made his decision Friday to return for a 17th NFL season. Other than general manager Ted Thompson, wide receiver Donald Driver, sportswriter buddy Al Jones and a few family members, Favre hasn’t talked to many folks since going public with his plans to play at least another year.
“We’re in voicemail mode right now,” McCarthy said Monday afternoon.

Once the two men connect, they’ll have plenty to discuss: Whether Favre will undergo left ankle surgery; how much of McCarthy’s offseason program Favre will participate in; and what kind of workout regimen Favre will put himself through at home.

McCarthy said he and Favre talked “at length” on Jan. 25, a little more than a week before Favre made his decision, and again on Jan. 27. Those conversations left the coach feeling better about the team’s chances of Favre returning — certainly better than the feeling he had after the season ended with a victory at Chicago on Dec. 31.

“I really did not know. I felt stronger about (him returning) last year, actually, than I did earlier in the process this year,” McCarthy said, adding that in neither recent conversation did he make any assurances that the team is going to upgrade its offensive skill position talent to entice Favre to return. “After the season, I really didn’t have a feel one way or the other.”

Now that Favre is coming back, though, McCarthy can continue planning the offseason knowing his most important player will be part of it.

“We have a direction as a football team that we’re headed in, and I strongly feel it’s a positive direction,” McCarthy said. “The fact that the leader of our football team is going to play next year, I think that speaks for itself.”

How well Favre will play will depend on a variety of factors.

For starters, Favre must decide whether he’ll have the arthroscopic surgery to remove calcium deposits in his ankle — the same one that was cleaned out in 1995 — that was scheduled for New Year’s Day but was postponed. Favre has needed the surgery for several years, and McCarthy said no determination has been made about whether Favre will finally follow through with it.

“I think it’d probably be best if he had it done, but I don’t have a strong opinion, medically,” McCarthy said, adding that he’s never asked Favre why he’s put off the surgery year after year. “If he elects to have it done, then the specifics of the rehab, I do not know. That’s something we’ll deal with in the next month. He has to answer that question. He played with it last year, so can he play with it this year? I would think he could.”

Last offseason, because he didn’t make a decision until April 25, Favre didn’t take part in McCarthy’s quarterback school, which begins March 19. Favre attended the post-draft minicamp in early May, but McCarthy excused him from the additional, voluntary minicamp later that month. Favre then participated in 10 of the 14 organized team activity practices last June.

McCarthy said he and Favre “haven’t talked about the specifics” of how much of the offseason workouts Favre will attend, but “I know what my feelings are. We have mandatory opportunities and voluntary ones. That’s something he and I need to sit down and talk about.”

As for how Favre will train at home in Mississippi, McCarthy said he doesn’t think Favre needs to be told what workouts to do.

Two years ago, coach Mike Sherman excused Favre from most of the minicamp and OTA practices to work with a personal trainer. Last offseason, McCarthy said most of Favre’s workouts were “manual labor” — clearing brush, cutting down trees and doing other yard work on his 460-acre expanse. McCarthy said Monday that Favre also worked out with the Oak Grove High School football team in Hattiesburg, Miss., last year.

“I’ll just say this: I deal more with the facts,” McCarthy said. “Whether it’s regimented manual labor (or a) personal trainer, I think Brett doesn’t always probably communicate exactly what he does to get ready. When he showed up for training camp last year, he was in shape. Physically, he was definitely prepared to play last year, regardless of how you classify (the workouts).”
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Who's zoomin' who? wrote on Feb 21, 2007 8:42 PM:

" Big Mac after one season 8-8 "We haven't talked yet, wimper..wimper" Ray Rhodes after one season 8-8 "Whatchu' mean yer' inviting me to leave"? If the Pack cleans house, start at the top. Stop blaming the God that he is, Brett Favre. "

True blue Packer backer wrote on Feb 21, 2007 4:41 PM:

" Incredible! You guys arguing over Favres past performances. Absolutely Pointless! Yes Farve has had ups and downs, who doesn't? There are some obvious Favre haters here, but we as Packer faithful know that this man Brett Favre loves the game and is the ultimate competitor. By the end of this year he will have every record a quarterback could have, and some dubious records also. Babe Ruth alway swung for the fence and hit lots of home runs, he also struck out alot in the process. Brett Favre takes a very similar approach to his game. Not every pass will be a touchdown, but when he does connect it's electric! Both the Babe and Brett have another thing in common, they both will be remembered as two of the best players of all time! "

PackAttack2020 wrote on Feb 20, 2007 8:17 PM:

" Slider - The team STINKS? Based upon what criteria? THIS team did not lose the games you mentioned. MAKE A SUBSTANTIATED ARGUMENT, AND THEN WE HAVE SOMETHING TO TALK ABOUT slider. Maybe you can start by revealing SLIDER's Secret Rebuiling Formula...how would YOU do it slider? "

Manning/Farve: wrote on Feb 20, 2007 11:53 AM:

" Why would Farve and the Packers be in the playoffs more than Manning and the Colts. The Colts have a better GM/Head Coach/Players. Brett Farve is like all NFL QB'S, dependent on the team's GM/Head Coach/Teamates. No doubt the Bears would have preferred to line up with him at QB in the last Super Bowl instead of Rex Grossman. "

Slider wrote on Feb 20, 2007 7:19 AM:

" Thank you Local Observer, and who by the way lost the first ever playoff game in Green Bay and then a wild card team from their same division, both teams were full fledged dome teams, do the Atlanta Falcons, and Minnesota Vikings refresh your memory, get the cobwebs out and admit, it was a total team effort, and there are no excuses, in fact they had all the advantages, cold, wind, home field, and fans like you. The team stinks and still do, time to change the course and rebuild starting at the QB position. "

What's there to talk about???? wrote on Feb 18, 2007 9:52 PM:

" Favre is a God, Big Mac needs to relax alittle and quit being such a freakin' drama queen... "

To: PackNeedsToSurrenderNowNotIn2020 wrote on Feb 17, 2007 10:15 AM:

" Manning WAS in the Playoffs. In fact, he's BEEN in the playoffs every since 2002. Favre HASN'T been in the Playoffs since 2004. Which would YOU rather be? Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa..... - Local Observer "

To Local Joke wrote on Feb 17, 2007 7:15 AM:

" Again, for the 100th time, I thought you were a Packer fan?!? Why are you all over Peyton's jock? Nobody said he was bad, other than his playoff perfomances. Once Manning is over the hill, who's jock will you be on then? Way to bring up a meaningless point about Favre getting outplayed by a noname QB in A SUPER BOWL YEAR!! Great point! Oh, wait, wasn't he the NFL MVP that year too?? Great point! You must be running out of arguments by now...but I'll get some more ammo just incase. Keep posting local joke, I'll keep shooting. "

PackAttack2020 wrote on Feb 17, 2007 5:35 AM:

" Ahhh...GARBAGE...it would take a garbage connoisseur such as yourself to recognize it so quickly, local. I feel just horrible offering up MEANINGLESS statistics to you, local, BUT, AGAIN, "YOU HAVE FALLEN INTO MY TRAP". The fact that you RECOGNIZED the statistic as GARBAGE means YOU MUST PRODUCE PLENTY OF IT YOURSELF! AH HA!! Pretty sneaky of me, eh, local? local, I would venture deeper into that cave you call home, so the voices can't find you. THOSE ARE the voices of THE GARBAGE MEN coming to HAUL YOU AWAY, local. HIDE local, HIDE. "

PackAttack2020 wrote on Feb 16, 2007 11:55 PM:

" THAT IS a TRUE fan local...PLEASE, if you REALLY think you are a fan...cheer for another team...we neither want you nor your negativity. You pick the MOST OBSCURE tidbits as arguments. Manning disgraced himself during the playoffs this year, but he was MORE than happy to accept the CHARITY of the mvp. A TRUE PACKER fan would not disparage Favre the way you do for what he has given the team and the fans. Find another team to ACTUALLY cheer FOR...the COLTS maybe... "

To: ThePackNeedsToSurrenderBefore2020 wrote on Feb 16, 2007 3:27 PM:

" Nice piece of "garbage" you gave on us on Manning's rookie statistics. What you FORGOT to tell us is that he's thrown for 249 TD's, and only 111 interceptions since then. That's a 2.243 ratio. In that SAME time span, Favre has thrown for 201 TD's, and 155 interceptions. THAT'S a 1.297 ratio. Manning is not only BETTER than Favre, he's cutting him into little pieces! Let the excuses begin..... - Local Observer "

To: PackSurrender2020 wrote on Feb 16, 2007 11:44 AM:

" Before the FAVRE era, Green Bay had NEVER lost a home playoff GAME. Remember Vick on the "frozen tundra"? Remember Moss "mooning" the Lambeau faithful? TWO home playoff losses by the "Great" Favre. And to bring back the "Indoor" Favre, remember HIS pathetic performance in a 45-17 loss against the Rams? The "Great" Favre threw SIX interceptions in THAT game. I though YOU might want to C-H-E-W on a few more "Favre" moments. Do you feel like throwing up? - Local Observer "

PackAttack2020 wrote on Feb 16, 2007 7:58 AM:

" AH HA!! Just as I suspected, local, YOU have FALLEN INTO MY TRAP!! The fact that the Packers were IN the Super Bowl means they were actually 15-4 in the '97 Season...HA, pretty tricky aren't I local...now, BACK TO THE CAVE FOR MORE PLOTTING AND PLANNING...please hold my calls. Oh...and wasn't THAT the beginning of the Manning era, the Colts took Manning in the '98 draft, and he went 26 TDs and 28 INTs? No wonder he STUDIES so much...shameful season, just shameful. Back to the cave, local, where it's dark and you can plan your attack...AHHH HAA HAAAAAA! local, are YOU superhero or a CAVEMAN? "

WHY IS THIS STILL HERE? wrote on Feb 16, 2007 7:42 AM:

" WHY IS THIS ARTICLE STILL HERE...THEY HAVE "TALKED" why why why TRIBUNE? TAKE IT OFF ALREADY! "

To: LameExcusePackAttack2020 wrote on Feb 16, 2007 4:09 AM:

" Refresh my memory please. How did the LAST game of that memorable 1997 season go? Seems to me that Green Bay played a team from DENVER, right? How did THAT game come out again?..... - Local Observer "

PackAttack2020 wrote on Feb 15, 2007 10:12 PM:

" 1997 Packers: 13-3...(losses to the Lions, Eagles, and Colts)...Favre 35 TDs...I think he AND the Pack will take THAT season...the Colt's loss was by 3pts. local OBSCURITY...the OBSCURE facts that you DO come up with mean so very little...I think YOU MAY HAVE FALLEN FOR YOUR OWN TRAP...good luck getting out of that one. I won't take alot of your time, local, as I am sure you are busy plotting YOUR NEXT BIG CAPER. "

packergirl 8169 wrote on Feb 15, 2007 6:05 PM:

" As I recall Paul Justin and Brett Favre didn't compete in an individual sport, they play on a T-E-A-M. "

To: 11:42 AM Poster wrote on Feb 15, 2007 3:52 PM:

" How's THIS for what I'm trying to say. Favre is NOT God. Please quit trying to make like he IS. ANYONE who can get outplayed by PAUL JUSTIN, is NOT God. Any questions? - Local Observer "

So what you are saying Local is... wrote on Feb 15, 2007 11:42 AM:

" That no one ever is out played by a medicore player? Ever? No one ever has played better then Brady? Manning? Montana? They have never been outplayed in one single game by a player who is not a Hall of Famer? RIGHT. You are really stretching it this time! "

To: LamePackAttack2020 wrote on Feb 15, 2007 10:37 AM:

" OUTPLAYED by Paul Justin..... Need I say more? I wonder where PAUL JUSTIN is today? Funny..... HE looked like the Hall of Famer THAT day. The defending Super Bowl Champions, quarterbacked by The "Great" Favre, beaten by an 0-10 team quarterbacked by LOWLY Paul Justin. Maybe the Packers should call HIM to see if HE can still play. Let the "Favre Fawning" continue..... - Local Observer "

PackAttack2020 wrote on Feb 15, 2007 9:29 AM:

" You HAVE to be kidding..."you and your little dog too" you've both fallen into 'my trap'...give it up already. WOW! Why, local, do you bother to come here to argue with others, when YOU can have an argument ALL BY YOURSELF. Maybe you could spend the day booby trapping your cave to keep you sharp while you avoid the danger. UH OH, local, are those voices you hear? CODE RED, the perimeter has been breeched...better set another trap!! Defend the cave, local, it's the last bastion of true reason...save us, local. SHHH...they might be listening, local. "

To: 8:01 AM Poster/UNINFORMED wrote on Feb 14, 2007 12:46 PM:

" Once AGAIN, you fell right into my trap. TWO of the TD's scored against the Packers that day were BECAUSE of Favre. One TD was a 33 yard return of a FAVRE fumble, and another TD was a 50 yard return of a FAVRE interception. Favre was playing offense for Green Bay AND INDIANAPOLIS that day. Maybe they SHOULD teach Favre how to tackle better. Many of HIS miscues have turned into OPPONENTS TD's too. AND he got outplayed by Paul Justin on that day. Let the "Favre Fawning" continue..... - Local Observer "

To Local wrote on Feb 14, 2007 8:03 AM:

" One more thing, 20 - 25 indoors....over 16 seasons!!! Recently, he has been pretty damn good indoors. Go back to that hole you call a life and keep hating Favre, who has done nothing to you except bring you a NFL title, amongst other trophies and records. "

to Local Joke wrote on Feb 14, 2007 8:01 AM:

" Again, does Favre play defense? No, he doesn't. HIS, being Favre's, numbers indoors are not that bad. His completion percentage is even higher. As far as Justin having a game, I guess I didn't know Favre was playing coverage. You still don't get that Favre is on Offense, and OFFENSE ONLY. It is a team game. Yeah, when Favre brings the team down the feild for the GAME WINNING DRIVE, he gets credit. Scroll down again and look at HIS NUMBERS INDOORS...you know, the ones I provided for you to choke on. Quick, you were proven wrong again...jump to another pointless argument. LOL, you might be the town tard. "

Obsession...it's not just a cologne for yokal wrote on Feb 14, 2007 12:37 AM:

" Post 1: "Favre Fawners" Favre Favre is 20-25 "Favre Fawners" . FAVRE lost FAVRE got outplayed ." 6 Favre references Post 2: "Favre has PROVEN - Local Observer" Post 3: "Favre couldn't Favre lost out - Local Observer " Post 4: Favre Fawners Post 5: "Over-the-Hill" Favre does Favre make DEFINITION; "Obsession: 1 : a persistent disturbing preoccupation with an often unreasonable idea or feeling;" "

Local Observer wrote on Feb 13, 2007 9:24 PM:

" You "Favre Fawners" want to give Favre ALL the credit when the Packers win. So..... shouldn't ALL the blame be on HIM when they DON'T WIN? Favre is 20-25 INDOORS. Deal with it. You "Favre Fawners" ALWAYS want to have it both ways. FAVRE lost to the 0-10 Colts in 1997. FAVRE got outplayed by Paul Justin. Justin, 24-30-0, 340 yards. DEAL with it. "

PackAttack2020 wrote on Feb 13, 2007 9:18 PM:

" Let's consult 55,000+ fans on Manning's mvp GIFT: from NFL.com "What Played the Largest Role in The Colts' Victory?" What was the biggest factor in the win for the Colts? 32%Bears turnovers, 29%Colts defense, 23%Colts run game, 16% Peyton Manning's play Total Votes: 55870 (looks like 8,939 Peyton PINERS voted). The other 46,931 must not know ANYTHING about football? I think the ODDS are with the 46,931...hmmm? "

Brett wrote on Feb 13, 2007 8:22 PM:

" With all the cap room the Packers have this year I think that they should look to sign La Var Arrington to play the 3rd LB spot along with Barnett and Hawk. It could be a low risk high reward propostion for the Pack as Arrington although having injury problems was only scheduled to make a guaranteed salary of 900k which really isnt much compared to most salarys for big name players these days. "

Bigger Fish to Fry... wrote on Feb 13, 2007 8:16 PM:

" What is it with this new generation of management? They seem to think that long time employees have no rights, even million long time employees. The Packer Coach is turning out to look like a real a hole, over this matter. God Bless Favre, Amen. "

Janet wrote on Feb 13, 2007 4:03 PM:

" Seems to me that Favre's numbers are actually better indoors. Well, at least compared to his record breaking, hall of fame career numbers. But, maybe that's just me. "

Local Has A Point wrote on Feb 13, 2007 4:01 PM:

" Favre misses a lot of tackles indoors. It must be hard playing every snap of every game on both sides of the ball. But, you're right Local tardo, FAVRE is 20 - 25 indoors. If only Favre spent more time on tackling drills and swatting down passes, and rushing the quaterback. Man he sucks. He can't even carry his defense when they routinely give up 30 points a game. LOL, what's next Local Joke? "

To the Local Joke wrote on Feb 13, 2007 3:57 PM:

" So the Packers lose indoors and it is ALL Favre's fault? To prove, yet another, point...in 2004 the Packers lost to the Colts in Indy...Favre was 30 of 44 for 360 and 4 TD's with 0 INTs. The Pack still lost 45-31. Your feet must taste pretty good cuz they are spending a lot of time in your mouth. Now, find something else to post to show your ignorance. Jump to another argument you can't support. Or, try to support the Packers, you know, the team you say you support. "

RE: "Favre Fawners" wrote on Feb 13, 2007 3:49 PM:

" Are you honeslty going to put every indoor loss on Favre? Look at HIS NUMBERS...good enough to win an average game. Not alot you can do if the other team outscores you. Do you get the concept of TEAM? You are just like Rocket....I pound you with stats, proving you wrong so you jump to a new argument. Keep posting, I'll keep shutting you down. "

Once again wrote on Feb 13, 2007 3:38 PM:

" Looks like you are proven wrong once again Local Observer - Joe H. "

To: The 2:19 PM, 3:07 PM, & 3:09 PM "Favre Fawners" wrote on Feb 13, 2007 3:29 PM:

" Does your ESPN website tell you that Favre is 20-25 indoors? Not much to write home about, is it? "

Local Observer wrote on Feb 13, 2007 3:09 PM:

" I looked up those stats at espn's website. Feel free to browse around...they have a link where you can buy a clue while you are there. "

Maybe... wrote on Feb 13, 2007 3:07 PM:

" Maybe this was your point: Favre's STATS indoors From 1994 thru this past season (espn didn't have these stats before 1994): Completed 812 of 1284 passes for 63.2% 9505 yards for 7.4 yards per attempt 67 TD's to 44 INT's He has played roughly 2 seasons worth of games indoors. If you divide these stats by 2 and assume a season indoors, his sats would look like this: 406 completions on 642 attempts for 4752 yards 33 TD's and 22 INT's. Is that "terrible"? *Please note that the 63.2 completion percentage and the 7.4 yards per attempt are above his career marks "

Must have missed that... wrote on Feb 13, 2007 2:19 PM:

" what was your point..that Favre played outdoors in the Superbowl or that Favre WON a SUPERBOWL indoors? Insert foot in mouth and exit stage left. "

To: 12:08 PM Poster wrote on Feb 13, 2007 12:43 PM:

" Favre has PROVEN that he's terrible in domes. Have you ever S-E-E-N him play in Minneapolis, Indianapolis, or St. Louis? Once again, YOU, yes YOU, have proven MY point. - Local Observer "

True Packer Fan wrote on Feb 13, 2007 12:41 PM:

" Being a TRUE Packer Fan, I would rather have Desmond Howard be my QB than Manning, lol. You are so childish Local Observer,(aka peeping Tom, creep). "

Favre's Bad wrote on Feb 13, 2007 12:30 PM:

" Local, what did Favre ever do to you? He steal your wife or kill your dog or something? I know, you were a Don Majkowski fan! Keep posting though, I like shooting down you posts! "

Envy or what wrote on Feb 13, 2007 12:17 PM:

" Is Local Observer really Peyton Manning? He defends him like there is no tomorrow and yet claims to be a Packer Fan. Maybe he is just Bi-polar, or has tourette's...or maybe he is just E-N-V-I-O-U-S of Favre. "

To Local Tard wrote on Feb 13, 2007 12:08 PM:

" yeah, it was a monsoon if you live in a desert. Either way, 244 return yards and a TD is reason enough for a MVP. And since you are glorifying Manning, he has played H-I-S W-H-O-L-E C-A-R-E-E-R I-N A D-O-M-E, put Favre in a Dome for his career and he could have had 10 times the numbers he currently has. You need help putting your foot in Y-O-U-R mouth now, or can Y-O-U handle it from here? "

To: 10:25 AM Poster wrote on Feb 13, 2007 11:20 AM:

" Did you S-E-E the Super Bowl Manning just played in? IT WAS PLAYED IN A MONSOON! Favre played one INDOORS, and another in perfect outdoor weather. I AM a Packer fan. Unlike YOU though, I am stll able to S-E-E! - Local Observer "

To Local Observer wrote on Feb 13, 2007 10:25 AM:

" Again, you are a packer fan??? Favre had a lot better numbers than Manning did...proof: Favre had 246 yards passing, 2 TD passes and 1 rushing with 0 int's. Manning had 247 yards 1 TD pass, 1 int and 1 lost fumble. About Howard winning the MVP...he set a superbowl record for return yards with 244 yards including a 99 yd td...why wouldn't he be MVP? You think Manning would have still been the MVP? Doubt it. Keep trying to glorify Manning's less than stellar post season marks. Oh wait, you're a Packer fan though, right? "

To: Packergirlie 0.0000000000000000000008169 wrote on Feb 13, 2007 8:36 AM:

" Favre couldn't even win the Super Bowl MVP "BY DEFAULT" as you say. Favre lost out on HIS Super Bowl MVP to A KICK RETURNER! I think he's STILL stewing about that! - Local Observer "

To Packergirl wrote on Feb 13, 2007 6:54 AM:

" They had to give the MVP to someone!!!!!!! At least Manning was in the Superbowl to get it!! Where was Brett Favre, OH his season was already over!!!! "

JR wrote on Feb 12, 2007 6:09 AM:

" Why is it that when someone is great he is well liked, but when he is good some people want to get rid of him....how many of you would like to be told to retire from a job you love, just because you are over the hill? I always thought that over the hill was 40. I was a packer fan before favre, back then whenever I whatched a game that GB was not in I would wait for 1/2 time and cheer for whoever was behind. "

packergirl 8169 wrote on Feb 10, 2007 4:27 PM:

" packer fan always-"Breaks his leg?" Real classy.To:RE:MVPS-sorry to plegiarize your comment, I didn't read it until after I posted but well said. "

packergirl 8169 wrote on Feb 10, 2007 4:13 PM:

" Rocket-Peyton was MVP of the SuperBowl by default- because they HAD to pick one. Did you actually watch the game? There were no standouts so they had to pick somebody and why not give it to Peyton-hey he's a nice guy and it might be his only chance. That proves nothing. In the land of the blind the one-eyed men are kings.And by the way...I thought you were taking your ball and going home because you were tired of us? "

Cataract Jack wrote on Feb 9, 2007 10:53 PM:

" Favre is better than any QB in the league when he is on. The problem is he hasn't been on that much the past three years. With Favre the past three years his bad plays out-num-bered the good plays. When Favre is on of course he is better then Rogers, when he is off, any second string QB in the league should be in instead of him. Let hope he is on this next season more then he is off. "

PackAttack2020 wrote on Feb 9, 2007 3:51 PM:

" Two Things: First, I think it gets easier to get off the subject, because this article has been here for 4 full days now. We can only say so much about the lack of concern by McCarthy. Obviously people want to talk about the Pack; Second, I have to say that I have been AGAINST Moss becoming a Packer, but I am growing intrigued by the idea. I would feel better about it if the PRICE tag continues to drop, so our RISK is not as high. Moss has not proven that he still has the skills or the desire, so if you can limit the financial risk bring him into camp and see what happens. If he isn't ON TOP of his GAME, then turn him loose...a third round pick at the most and he agrees to much less money. "

2044 wrote on Feb 9, 2007 1:49 PM:

" and the Packers STILL Have'nt won another Superbowl, "Why that year"...Just Random "

Darryl wrote on Feb 9, 2007 1:18 PM:

" They way I look at it, Green Bay is better off with Brett Favre than Aaron Rodgers. Brett may be over the hill, but an over the hill Brett Favre is still better than Aaron Rodgers and at least half of the other starting QB's in the league. "

Dan wrote on Feb 9, 2007 12:42 PM:

" To get back to the facts of the article, I wonder how many of the other players McCarthy has talked to since the end of the season, so why does he have to talk to Favre? Favre called Thompson and that is the person he should have. Now McCarthy knows he is back so he can get to work and plan for next season, He has alot more things to think about than just seeing how Favre is doing on his vacation. As for Thompson being a smart man, I'll have to wait to see if he sits on his 30 Mil pile of money in free agency again. "

RE: Confused wrote on Feb 9, 2007 12:23 PM:

" it's easy to get off topic...you have a couple idiots like Rocket and Local observer who chime in. Rocket is the worst, he's the one who got off the topic. "

RE: Geesh wrote on Feb 9, 2007 12:21 PM:

" I read somewhere, espn or something, that he was on the record as saying he loved Favre. but, I was just glancing....could have been sarcasm. I think it would be great, but everyone has different opinions. Only way to really know is to try him out I guess. 1 year deal, no bs or else you are cut, majority of contract incentive laden. "

geesh wrote on Feb 9, 2007 11:45 AM:

" he wont be traded to green bay because thompson is not an idiot...there is more risk than reward potential with moss.....not gonna happen...and moss would have to want to go to greenbay anyway...and i am certain he doesnt want that. "

Confused wrote on Feb 9, 2007 10:50 AM:

" What does Payton Manning, Randy Moss, or Donald Driver have to do with Farve not having spoken to Coach McCarthy yet? I'll tell you: NOTHING!!! How do some of you get so far off the subject? "

To Geesh wrote on Feb 9, 2007 8:22 AM:

" We can hope and dream. Even if he takes half the plays off, Driver will be in single coverage. Driver is a stud that doesn't take plays off. The addition of Moss will make Driver a 120 reception receiver. "

Geessh wrote on Feb 9, 2007 7:38 AM:

" Randy Moss is not going to be traded to Green Bay...Come on people.... "

To Local Observer wrote on Feb 9, 2007 6:14 AM:

" I don't think anyone here ever disagreed with you that Favre is over the hill, but why all the hatred towards him? The Packers are better off with Favre at QB rather than Rogers or Ingle. The haters are saying we need to bench or get rid of him or face a "mediocre" season. I'll take mediocre over a losing season with QB with little to no experience. Go get Moss and Favre will be a 30 td 15 int QB this coming season. "

To: Dan wrote on Feb 8, 2007 8:43 PM:

" Did you just wake-up from a nap in your Mom's basement? LamePackAttack0.2020 thinks HE'S the only person that can express himself on this forum. The "Favre Fawners" that post here are parked so far from reality that they don't remember what good quarterback play L-O-O-K-S like anymore. Favre is WAY over-the-hill. The only difference between you and me is that I'LL admit it. By the way, I AM a Packer fan. - Local Observer "

PackAttack2020 wrote on Feb 8, 2007 3:27 PM:

" Dan...we wait for alot of things from some of the 'blowhards' on here. I, along with many others, have chosen to no longer wait or concern myself with a certain 'poster'. Join us, Dan, some reply's fall upon confused, angry, and deaf ears. About Manning's SB MVP...that was not default, it was SYMPATHY: he DID NOT perform well in most of the playoffs, and he played just well enough NOT to lose the SB. Manning has performed well in the regular season, but his career is rounding a corner: it will be interesting to see how he handles the changes. "

Dan wrote on Feb 8, 2007 2:58 PM:

" Hey local nice reply here "You just can't STAND it when everyone doesn't think exactly like you. Why is it that people that don't agree with YOU are "lunatics", but when YOU don't agree with people like Packer Backer, YOU are brilliant? Please explain. - Local Observer" YOU SHOULD SAY THIS TO YOURSELF IN FRONT OF A MIRROR. "

Dan wrote on Feb 8, 2007 2:55 PM:

" Hey local obnoxious, we are still waiting to know which team you are a fan of. WELLLLL? "

To Rocket wrote on Feb 8, 2007 12:52 PM:

" Wow, you lose an argument so you jump to a new one. The argument was between Grossman and Manning in the playoffs. You lost that battle because I brought up the numbers. Now you want to turn it on Favre. You are a real winner, man. Congrats, Peyton's one good game of the playoffs turned out to be a big win...against a beat up defense. As I recall, when Favre played the Pats in his prime, he just beat them outright. You say how peyton is in his prime. "

Rocket wrote on Feb 8, 2007 12:18 PM:

" Did Grossman lead his team back from 18 points down to a 3 time Super Bowl champ? And if you want to look at QB ratings, how about the regular season when Peyton's was 30 points higher than Favre? "

RE: Rocket wrote on Feb 8, 2007 11:34 AM:

" Ok, found my clue..just look at the numbers. Peyton 3 TD's and 7 INT's with a 68.1 passer rating for the playoffs. Grossman threw just as many TD's with 4 fewer INT's with a 73.7 passer rating. Out performed or no? What do you base performance on? Numbers don't lie. And as I recall, this is a Favre article and you and Local Observer started belittling Favre about his accomplishments...and then you brought in Peyton. You need to get a hobby. It will be fun to see who's bandwagon you jump on next superbowl. "

Manning is talented.. wrote on Feb 8, 2007 11:29 AM:

" But it also helps that your dad is Archie! He hasn't earned any records yet (nor) Favre. So its jumping the gun to say that he will. "

RE: MVP's wrote on Feb 8, 2007 11:28 AM:

" Manning was given that MVP award out of default. It should have went to the running backs. But no one had a stellar game that night on either team, so they had to give it to someone. It was one of the most boring Super Bowls in history! No emotion. "

Rocket wrote on Feb 8, 2007 10:59 AM:

" Wow, you are grasping at straws. Help, our QB is old and nearing retirement and can't play to the level he once did, so we better belittle other current great QB's to help hide our ineffectiveness. Who cares no one will win 3 in a row again, if you win 3 you win 3 regardless if they are in a row or not. Jealousy is nasty I guess. Peyton playing worse than Grossman is beyond laughable- I'm sure Favre would have come back from 18 points down to the Patriots too right? Get a clue. "

MVP's wrote on Feb 8, 2007 10:49 AM:

" Peyton will NEVER win 3 consecutive, and I doubt anyone else ever will either. As for the Superbowl, there are a few other players more deserving the MVP other than Peyton. Peyton is the NFL's most marketable player right now, so why not give it to him. Might as well, he played worse than Grossman the entire playoffs. "

Rocket wrote on Feb 8, 2007 9:29 AM:

" Peyton already has 2 MVP's, and a good shot at another to tie the 3 Favre has. Peyton also has something Favre never will- a Super Bowl MVP, and a chance to win more. The records will happen- he's catching up fast even with Favre still playing. "

To: PackAtatck2020 wrote on Feb 8, 2007 8:50 AM:

" You just can't STAND it when everyone doesn't think exactly like you. Why is it that people that don't agree with YOU are "lunatics", but when YOU don't agree with people like Packer Backer, YOU are brilliant? Please explain. - Local Observer "

Peyton Fans wrote on Feb 8, 2007 7:40 AM:

" When Peyton passes Favre's career marks AND holds 3 consecutive NFL MVP awards...(also an NFL record), then tell us how bad Favre is. "

PackAttack2020 wrote on Feb 7, 2007 10:37 PM:

" to "packer backer" - YOU really consider yourself a fan of the Packers? Let alone that YOU barely understand decency towards other people, how could you say that Favre has done this team harm? Justify your lunacy. to "what's the big deal"-For me the big deal is not that Favre has not called McCarthy, but that McCarthy seems perfectly happy to be in the dark about THE key to his offense. I don't think Mike needs to DWELL on it, but he should, at the VERY LEAST, know what is going on with his team. Most HIGH SCHOOL coaches keep in touch with players better than McCarthy appears to...that's the big deal to me. Coaching in the NFL or College IS a year round job. "

To The - packer fan always wrote on Feb 7, 2007 8:40 PM:

" Rebuilding can't start with anyone else besides the QB? Do you realize how many other positions there are to worry about? The offense is not going to change if and when (hopefully never) our back up QB Rodgers goes in. Theres lots of positions to address - modern day NFL teams do not need to "rebuild" or not rebuild because of one player. Favre does not impact this process one bit. "

packer fan always wrote on Feb 7, 2007 3:25 PM:

" Brett did more damage coming back than more people realize.How many more "rebuilding years" do we have to endure.I used to like Brett, but the childish games need to stop for all of Wisconsin.Hope he breaks his leg !st game back. "

RE: What's the big deal? wrote on Feb 7, 2007 10:56 AM:

" Right on! Couldnt' have said it better myself. It seems like some people just need a reason to complain, a reason to create drama. Must not have much else to do :) "

Packer Backer (continued) wrote on Feb 7, 2007 9:07 AM:

" Favre was coming back all along and the Packer's organization knew about it all along. They have to give permission for Favre to do it in the first place!And as for the vanilla play calling, over half the team was a bunch of rookies, not to mention a totally new offensive scheme. We have been spoiled rotten with the grace of Brett Favre, he is a football God! and we won't realize that until after he is gone. "Drop em all" David Martin's contract is up this year, let's hope that Ted can find a tight end that can catch and is fast enough to get open. That is the future of offenses in the NFL. Look at the teams that were in the playoffs! They all used their tight ends down the middle of the field to losen up the defenses. Come on Ted have another great draft! "

Packer Backer! wrote on Feb 7, 2007 9:05 AM:

" You "Packer Fans" need to sit down and have another beer. Favre knew he was coming back weeks ago. did you see the Superbowl commercial with Favre in it? It takes more than a day to set one of those up get it approved by the FCC and get it into the time slot that is the superbowl.. "

What's the big deal? wrote on Feb 7, 2007 9:03 AM:

" Who cares? What's the big deal? So Farve hasn't called the coach yet. I didn't know trainig camp started in February. Is there some urgent, pressing reason they need to talk? Isn't this the players off season time? Time to spend with families, vacations, whatever. I don't know about the rest of you, but when I'm not at work I certainly don't spend my off time calling my bosses. Oh, and "Local Observer", your lips still don't match. "

Follow the $$ wrote on Feb 7, 2007 8:40 AM:

" Why do you suppose Favre was so quick to get an announcement this year? You don't suppose it had anything to do with the NFL ad at the 2 Minute Warning, do you? How many $$'s did Brett get for that? Enough $$ to get him to make his announcement in time for them to put him in the ad and pay him for it - that is for sure. Calling the coach or letting someone else in the organization is secondary to the $$'s! "

to the arm chair coaches and gm's wrote on Feb 6, 2007 3:41 PM:

" ...I'm not an expert, but I am a fan. Why wouldn't the coach want to know the status of the 'face of the franchise'? But then again, he isn't the GM, so it really isn't his job. "

Bears Fan #34 Co. Springs wrote on Feb 6, 2007 2:37 PM:

" I would have taken Farve's 3 interceptions in our Superbowl, however, he would have added 2-3 touchdown passes that would have lead us to victory. The only thing that scares me about Farve coming back is the packers are gauranteed to beat the Bears at least once this year. I am not scared of him going deep in the playoffs. Also, this could be the year Farve finally has to sit out a game or two for injury. (Just a feeling) "

Cataract Jack wrote on Feb 6, 2007 2:35 PM:

" Favre has no respect for McCarthy-Doesn't take a genius to see that. Not that McCarthy is a bad person just that Favre feels he is above his ex QB coach-McCarthy earned my respect last year-He will make a name for himself when he sits Favre the second half for tossing 4 ints the first half. Hope it doesn't happen but I am sure it will if Favre stays around long enough "

PackAttack2020 wrote on Feb 6, 2007 2:23 PM:

" to poster 12:52/:54&:56 - Hmmm...funny how YOU know who I am...? How could that be, we haven't met yet. You must be right though, I know VERY little about football. Tell me though, how would YOU rate the play calling? What would YOU do differently? Maybe you enjoy the game without getting into the specifics...and that's fine...but I will be willing to put my knowledge and experience up with yours...Maybe YOU would like to elaborate here? Let us all get to know YOU...since YOU already kNOw me, there is no need for my introduction. By the way...don't YOU think it seems odd that BIG MIKE won't call Favre? If YOU were leading this team, surely YOU would want to be on top of EVERYTHING...wouldn't you? "

To: LamePackAttack2020 wrote on Feb 6, 2007 1:27 PM:

" It appears as if a few MORE people other than myself are able to L-O-O-K right through you. - Local Observer "

To Local Observer wrote on Feb 6, 2007 12:58 PM:

" you sound a little bitter when it comes to Favre....you must be a Bears or Viking fan, or dare I say Lions fan? "

once again wrote on Feb 6, 2007 12:56 PM:

" The ankle surgery is up to the player...once again..you prove your ignorance. Id McCarthy was so incompetant dont you think the organization would have corrected it and replaced him already? THEY KNOW WAY MORE THAN YOU DO FELLA!!! "

AND... wrote on Feb 6, 2007 12:54 PM:

" What do you know about calling plays in the NFL??? ANyone can watch a game on TV with no preperation and second guess every call if they want too. You are a average joe...quit acting as if you know more about the game...you are making it painfully obvious for yourself that you know less than the average FAN!! Remember that you are only a FAN that watches on TV once a week.. "

To pack attack 2020 wrote on Feb 6, 2007 12:52 PM:

" You seem to act as if you know what goes on with each person in the packer organization from day to day....when really you know nothing. It doesnt matter that they havent talked does it? Coaches are supposed to keep in constant contact with players all off season??? What do you know about coaching in the NFL? Absolutely nothing!! So stop! "

PackAttack2020 wrote on Feb 6, 2007 8:14 AM:

" McCarthy, learn to dial the phone! I am sure Big Mike has Brett's number, too, if he really had a need to speak with him. Mike plays dumb very well, and I see a contiuation of the PLAY CALLING mode here. REPORTER: "Mike, have you spoken with Favre?"...MIKE: "Well, I um, I would like to, I think we ought to, um...what was the question?". Come on McCarthy, quit being so flippant about Favre's return, He saved your BUTT this year...call the guy and start acting like a COACH. It's been a year now and YOU don't know why YOUR STAR hasn't had ankle surgery?!!! COME ON...at least ACT LIKE A COACH...YOU, OF ALL PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW ALL OF THESE THINGS. The clock's tickin McCarthy...get it in gear! "

Local Observer wrote on Feb 6, 2007 8:02 AM:

" What's there to talk about with McCarthy? "Over-the-Hill" Favre told the Hick-Town sports writer that he's coming back. By the way, does Favre make BAD decisions when he's throwing against the Oak Grove High School 1st team defense too? "


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