Anybody thought of this? wrote on Apr 24, 2007 9:23 AM:
" Unions? How are unions supposed to be effective holding up pay scales for workers? When we look the other way to allow 20 million illegal workers (11 million Mexicans) to fill the need for those menial jobs. These people are under the radar screen for taxes, Comp, DILHR, and many other costs that they should be paying. Besides union dues? A two class society, that is what is coming. "
TO: Re; Reality wrote on Apr 24, 2007 9:19 AM:
" "slow job growth, which is attributed to Milwaukee not realizing America is becoming less industrialized"? The USA is growing at 17%, while many 3rd world countries are growing at 30% plus. WI is the 10th slowest growth Stae in the Country. Milwaukee was once referred to as the, 'Countries Toolbox'. The promise of the Technology boom and jobs the follow will be short lived and empty soon. The remained of the world will pick up the market and do it better, more efficiently, and for less. "
Bucko wrote on Apr 24, 2007 6:52 AM:
" I applaud the Chancellors efforts. It might be a nice change to recruit high achieving diverse students! Rather than focus only on yup they aren't white, sign them up! "
Re: reality wrote on Apr 23, 2007 9:28 PM:
" You are ignoring the real issue. The problem is with the k-12 system. Universities should not be giving special privilages for minorities but instead states must work on fixing inequalities within the k-12 system. If minorities in the city had access to education systems like those offered in the suburbs most would consider college. When these kids come from these inner city schools they are already behind their suburban and rural counterparts. Most need to take remedial courses that overlap high school classes and their study habits do not equal those of their white counterparts. With already being behind, their college droput rate is higher than whites. The ghettos in Milwuakee can blamed on slow job growth, which is attributed to milwuakee not realizing america is becoming less industrialized. Also local governments are a large factor as they fight over jobs instead of working together to bring in new ones. "
reality wrote on Apr 23, 2007 9:36 AM:
" If UW-L doesn't meet certain diversity guidelines, they don't get grants and freebies from foundations and businesses. For example, a few years back UW-L was cut from IBM's giving because the campus was too white and suburban for a public university.
Fellow white people: stop feeling threatened by people who aren't like you. Technically, slavery was completely abolished about 50 years ago...this was basically yesterday as far as history is concerned. Do we want ghettos like Milwaukee? If not, I would recommend listening to community leaders like Mr. Gow, and be part of the solution instead of part of the problem. "
Sorry- I have more time now. wrote on Apr 22, 2007 7:52 PM:
" "They might as well be mixing unknown chemicals in test tubes. They are going to switch the burden of housing on to the private sector, rather than historical on campus housing. They are tearing down exisitng housing and using that property for expansion for staff or classrooms. The danger for them now is that they have been inkling for so long to a 'special' group of privateers that it could ultimately end up looking badly. Look, if I could get a guaranteed occupancy UWL housing unit, that might be supervised by UWL employees, that no bank anywhere would say no to financing to anyone, I would take all that I could get. We will soon see who receives the spoon feeding. "
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To: JG - How come? wrote on Apr 22, 2007 5:40 PM:
" The might as well be mixing unknown chemicals in test tubes. They are gpinmg to switch the burden of housing on to the private sector, rather than the historical on campus houisng. The are tearng down prent housing and using that property for expansion for staff or classrooms. The danger for them now is that they have been inkling for so long toa 'special' group of privateers that it could ultimately end up looking badly. Look, if I could get a gauranteed occupancy UWL housing unit, that might be supervised by UWL employees, that no bank anywhere would say no to financing to anyone, I would take all that I could get. We will son see who gets the spoon feeding. "
JG - How come? wrote on Apr 22, 2007 3:32 PM:
" you don't answer the posting regarding the "works" of the proposal regarding Out of State & In state Tuitions. Isn't that the vehicle that makes this idea controversial? You are willing to address those who question the idea of diversity, but completely ignore those that question how such "growth" proposal will be paid for. "
An alternative view? wrote on Apr 22, 2007 11:18 AM:
" There is none ever heard. Correction, I once read Charlie Weeth and his organization in a two sentence concern voicing a worry about parking. Wow!!!!! That's been it, as if everyone else in our town agrees? As we have been continually subject to a one sided PR campaign for the UWL System to get its way. As they prepare and make plans to change longstanding historical on campus housing, entrance requirements, and many other obtuse directional changes as a campus in our City. 40% "relaxing" in parking requirements if they install bike racks? "
It's NOT lowering the BAR!! wrote on Apr 22, 2007 9:08 AM:
" Where did you get that? The students at Messmer High School are very qualified to attend UW-L. Chancellor Gow was just reaching out to them, informing them of the opportunities at UW-L, so they consider UW-L when they make their decision about where to go to school. "
Joe Gow wrote on Apr 22, 2007 9:02 AM:
" Please note that all applicants to UW-L, regardless of socioeconomic background, must demonstrate sufficient academic achievement (e.g., ACT score and high school GPA) to be admitted. Also, as I stated in my earlier posting, we seek to award more financial aid based on need, not race. And--on the issue of diversity--as a public institution we seek to at least mirror the diversity of the state of Wisconsin. At present we do not, and that is why we're reaching out to other parts of our state. "
To Joe Gow wrote on Apr 22, 2007 8:04 AM:
" No comment on the "trickery" with which you have attempted to raise In State Tuition while lowering Tuition for certain Out of State Students? And I disagree with Minority Student as I am for diversity yet I am against this Proposal. I know you "inherited" this Proposal, but if you are going to back it, then take your trip out of state and be honest about how it will get paid for. "
That's great Joe Gow wrote on Apr 21, 2007 11:41 PM:
" As you lower the bar to diversify your campus, use a "holistic" approach, and throw the historical rules for acceptance of hard work and grade achievment away. You might invite that student to your office that is bumped after following the old rules, achieving, and working to attain and hold those grades that he/she has been declined acceptance. Call it any new name you want, I call it 'unfair'. Your posted excuse also seems limp on an issue that is certainly more multi layered than Pell Grants. "
cam wrote on Apr 21, 2007 9:45 PM:
" Please, let's make sure we have qualified students admitted to UWL. It's too bad that we want to search out students from other cities, to create diverstiy, when our own citizens of La Crosse, when well qualified, can not gain admission to the university in their home town. No wonder graduates don't stay in the area--we turn our own residents away from their hometown. "
Re: Minority Student At UW-L wrote on Apr 21, 2007 9:09 PM:
" I am a minority and just because people are against this it doesn't mean they are against minorities. Being a student I know many minorities and many are good people. My question is as minorities when are we going to stop blaming race for holding us back from succeeding in life? Minorities are ignoring the real problem, which are inequalities in the k-12 system. A situation that needs to be addressed would be in milwaukee's schools, where 75% of the students are in poverty. Using programs like affirmative action to give minorities a step above the rest is just reverse inequality, with whites being below the rest. These programs create the harsh feelings that they try to diminish. People cannot be given things in life, they must earn them. As minorities we need to quit using the race card to get a boost above the rest. "
George Mitchell wrote on Apr 21, 2007 7:54 PM:
" To his credit, Chancellor Gow sees La Crosse as part of Wisconsin. His leadership is welcome. "
George Mitchell wrote on Apr 21, 2007 7:48 PM:
" Chancellor Gow is pursuing a policy that sees La Crosse as part of Wisconsin. Some others who have posted do not yet share that view. "
Impossible wrote on Apr 21, 2007 6:38 PM:
" Diversity "happens", it cannot be engineered. Diversity occurs when people come together with common interests and goals. My son, with very good grades, was denied entry into UWL (we are La Crosse County residents) because there was "too much out-of-town diversity" that year. Now THAT was true reverse discrimination. "
Looper wrote on Apr 21, 2007 4:23 PM:
" I guess we should just throw all that MLK "judge people by the content of their character" stuff out the window, eh? Nice.
Messmer High School is 5% Caucasion/Asian? Sounds like they need some diversity. "
JS wrote on Apr 21, 2007 2:00 PM:
" Why is UW-L knocking down two dorms while adding 1000 students to campus? What is UW-L going to do if our new mayor next year stands up for these neighborhoods around campus preventing any more of those run down apartments be built? I bet many residents do not want more students into their neighborhoods. As for diversity, if we want to give minority students a chance then why don't we close inequalities in the k-12 system instead of using affirmative action and finacial aid? The poor get free rides to college while my son, with our middle class income, paid completely for college himself and had over $30k in debt after 4 years. How about letting the poor pick up some debt as well? The university thinks the middle class can take these large increases in tuition but they are only encouraging middle class students to attend other schools. "
To the closed minded people wrote on Apr 21, 2007 1:58 PM:
" From the comments I read on all of the Tribune articles, it makes it seem like the majority of La Crosse is so closed-minded. Maybe that's why people are moving out of the city. Open your eyes people, the lack of diversity in La Crosse is horrible. This city needs diversity in my mind, but with all of your closed-mind attitudes, that won't happen. "
Minority Student At UW-L wrote on Apr 21, 2007 1:55 PM:
" As a student of color at UW-L I don't even know what to say to some of your comments. I'm sure the majority of the comments are made by whites. We learn in class about whiteness, which is the concept that white people have unearned privileges that non-whites don't have. Getting into college is one of those things. It's unfortunate that discrimination occurs, but for those of you who don't have to deal with it on a daily basis, don't know how great of an opprotunity it is for minority students to get into college. I agree there are many needy white students who need the help too, and agree that they should be considered. It just disturbs me to think of the people in La Crosse who are against this, because if you're against this, then are you against minorities as a whole? "
Consider This... wrote on Apr 21, 2007 1:55 PM:
" It's so funny there are people who don't want diversity and assistance to low income students. These hypocrites forget such progressive social policy has made Wisconsin the great state that it is today. I was a poor student who made it through UW-L, and I even recieved a pell grant. Today I do volunteer work in the Delta region of the United States and have provided thousands of hours of assistance to the poorest people in the nation---don't count on people who come from privledged backgrounds to use their education for social good like me, because they are out of touch with society's problems- as the discussion in this forum clearly outlines. Poor students = future social problem solvers... "
Re: No Free Rides wrote on Apr 21, 2007 12:52 PM:
" perhaps they want to go to UWL so they can learn to spell La Crosse. perhaps you should also try it. "
Joe Gow wrote on Apr 21, 2007 12:43 PM:
" I just wanted to clear up an issue that seems to have confused several of those who've posted reactions to this story. At UW-L we seek to award more financial aid based on need, not race. This is a well-established approach in higher education. For example, the Pell Grant is perhaps the best known award given to our country's neediest students. But even with Pell Grant funds many low income students need additional help to cover the full cost of attending UW-L. While many of these students are people of color, there are many needy white students who will benefit from this aid as well. As I state in the article, we're trying to level the playing field and provide greater opportunities for those from disadvataged backgrounds. "
Thorn wrote on Apr 21, 2007 11:04 AM:
" Forced Diversity...GREAT!...bet those students will "feel" really comfortable at UWL. Another pointy headed intellectual "idea" that stinks of elitism. "
“I had so many nights that I cried, ...... wrote on Apr 21, 2007 10:51 AM:
" Travis said of her time in La Crosse before graduating in 1971". Now you know what a Republican feels like living in Dane or Lacrosse County. Talk about suffering. "
Obvious wrote on Apr 21, 2007 10:43 AM:
" I hate to separate people by color but it is true that there are some white people in La Crosse that don't want black people in their community. The fear of black people can be seen in a forum such as this. One would use alternative point of views to negate any effort being made by leaders of the community to diversify the local education institution. There are certain truths that must be accepted, and this truth is that regardless of qualifications, black people lack opportunities in their environment compared to the environment of a white person. To have a just society, both races must have equal opportunities. "
When you witness..... wrote on Apr 21, 2007 10:11 AM:
" Regents lowering bars for past academic achievements, and to allow foreign cash cow students into the UWL system. Ultimately other people of varied color will not be allowed to enter that have worked hard and attained/held grades specfically preparing to meet previous historical standards so that they could be accepted to UWL. The guise is to "raise 15 million (12m for more staff and buildings, and 3m for "diversity). This almost assuredly about money. As we watch even our local Mayor and our planner Kirch float out ideas of "relaxing" parking codes for future housing projects by 40% if the developers/landlords would install bike racks? "
Mike wrote on Apr 21, 2007 10:10 AM:
" Thank you to Chancellor Gow and other administrators for making an effort. I think one of the main issues with increasing diversity has been missed do far. If you look at most credible studies done on the issue of diversity and education you will see that increased diversity on a college campus not only improves the learning environment for minority students but for white students as well. Cognitive development occurs when students are faced with issues they do not understand or cannot comprehend and students must work harder to do so. Diversity on campus can help students learn about these issues before they enter the “real world”. For those who want to actually read about an issue before commenting search in Google under the .edu domain for studies about the issue, you’ll find plenty of support for the idea. "
Scott wrote on Apr 21, 2007 10:10 AM:
" Why discriminate against middle class white students - again ??? "
Why Milwaukee wrote on Apr 21, 2007 10:00 AM:
" when the "UW-L’s Growth and Access Agenda to improve access, quality and diversity at the university" is all about reducing Out of State Tuition for a select few. Of course that also includes increasing the In State Tuition (including Milwaukee students) to offset such reduction.
Quick - watch my right hand while I do something with my left hand that I don't want you to focus on.
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to anybody who can read wrote on Apr 21, 2007 9:02 AM:
" A Trip to Milwaukee makes a lot of sense. It is exactly the way to achieve the diversity that they seek. It is not, however, correct to achieve diversity by lowering the Out of State Tuition Rate and increasing the In State Tuition Rate for an Institution operated and financed by the State. "
No Free Rides wrote on Apr 21, 2007 9:00 AM:
" Why should we give a reduce rate to students that are a different race. Everyone that has the education should be able to get into whatever school they want. No reduce rates, free rides for different races. They need to work for it just like every other person.
Plus why would you want to go to La Cross--drunk school of America. "
The real world wrote on Apr 21, 2007 8:34 AM:
" Lets get back to the idea of the free enterprise system. Lets let the qualified people from Wisconsin into the programs and quit trying to invent utopia. Lets teach our young people to be willing to work hard and be conscientious and be honorable members of society. This diversity thing is for the do gooders who are not in the real world. Let the do gooders encourage diversity but not at tax payers expense. Every student in the university system cost taxpayers at least 10 thousand dollars each year. "
Me thinks wrote on Apr 21, 2007 8:23 AM:
" that this "Diversity" craze in only inclusive of things that the politically correct deem Diversity worthy. That by definition makes diversity selective and exclusionary. If there were a low income student with good grades who happened to be a KKK member would that not help create a more diverse environment?
How about a few right wing conservative christians? Me thinks they would not get the invite. "
Wanda wrote on Apr 21, 2007 8:18 AM:
" Isn't it just a small tiny bit of reverse racism with the Milwaukee areas view of "white" La Crosse? "
D wrote on Apr 21, 2007 1:18 AM:
" Yes, UWL wants diversity, and I will bet they will offer lots of money to these minority students to come. That is not a racial slur, just the truth. How many deserving white students will miss a spot simply because the school seeks diversity?
Let those who earn it and seek it recieve a UWL education, regardless of color. No freebees because the University wants it. "