Re:To: the real world wrote on Jun 7, 2007 9:00 PM:
" Almost right. Except the employers aren't flocking to WI. They are flocking south. No educated work force either. Know why? Cuz anybody can do it. Sure they keep a couple degreed people on staff for the reputation. But in the end it is mostly high school education that runs the plants. I know, I've been there. Most of the degreed people couldn't figure it out. To much learnin'. It always take people with a military background or solid technical training to get things done. Degrees are just butter on the biscuit in the real world. "
No degree and making $90,000 wrote on Jun 4, 2007 2:31 PM:
" I recieved my education while serving my country and getting money to boot. There is no reason some of you people that can't afford higher education can not serve. If not well the point was made we do need waitresses, garbage collectors, and other working poor to complain about the gas prices. To the mixed approach guy/gal, what was your degree in basket weaving? "
reality world wrote on Jun 3, 2007 8:48 AM:
" The Constitution and socialism are not incompatible. What do you think Social Security and government support (ie "handouts") to business, agriculture, the unemployed, etc are all about? As for your pay-for-yourself education, are you advocating that taxpayers NOT support kindergarten/grade/middle/high school? There obviously is benefit to society for us to support education at THAT level - did you and your "ancestors" cover that on your own? Support for higher education helps EVERYONE in society and isnt a constitutional issue. "
The real world responds again: wrote on Jun 2, 2007 4:22 PM:
" Your statement "Socialism isn't a dirty word or concept" is the mentality that has ruined every society where is was ever accepted. Look at the disaster we have today in Milwaukee, it is the result of the Socialist foothold from early last century. I have dedicated the rest of my life to try to restore real constitutional values to this great but ailing country. We have survived this long because of our Constitution, and by the way it does not have much time for socialism. And if you should be so naive to try to tell me it does show us where! "
REal World and your ancestors wrote on Jun 2, 2007 9:21 AM:
" Sure, living in a cave didnt take much education (or even money for that matter). Believe it or not, a well educated workforce employed in productive jobs benefits everyone. Unfortunately not everyone can afford tuition to higher education, and as a result there are probably a number of bright, talented people with potential that wont benefit society. Socialism isnt a dirty word or concept, and I hate to break the news but we have had "socialism" in this country for decades- including subsidizing what education you DID get. I guess you missed that part in your "modern" education. "
RE; re: 1:50 PM poster wrote on Jun 1, 2007 4:33 PM:
" Why are you here leaching off the taxpayers? "
The real world responds again: wrote on Jun 1, 2007 3:54 PM:
" My ancestors and I did not need the Government to cover much of our education, we did it on our own. Where there is a will there is a way( not for you people who got yourselves in trouble or are dependant on society) but we had initiative and it was get ahead or starve. It was an easy choice back then! And if America survives this period of Doyleist socialism, it will be an easy choice again! "
re: 1:50 PM poster wrote on Jun 1, 2007 3:38 PM:
" Why would you choose to live in a "dying town" whose leaders are apparently draining what's left of your meager resources? There are lots of other towns within 5 minutes of La Crosse. What's keeping you here? "
There they go again... wrote on Jun 1, 2007 3:09 PM:
" the usual bellyachers about education and how much it costs. If we don't continue to drive education the costs to society will be a thousand times greater in terms of low wages, an uneducated populace that has already elected an imbecile president, more crime, more welfare, less jobs, etc. etc. Education is the key to a successful society and don't ever, ever let anyone tell you different! "
RE: To: the real world wrote on Jun 1, 2007 1:50 PM:
" Your wrong, this isn't madison. We aren't land rich. The schools are a burden on the working people. Spend what you want, but we've heard this song and dance for years and years. But the reality is the students trash the town, pick up thier papers and move on. The result is a tired old town that has tax'ed itself out of contention for any growth. This is a dying town, and our leaders are draining what's left out of the taxpayers. "
The real world responds: wrote on Jun 1, 2007 1:31 PM:
" If you were correct about the big picture I would agree, but the business climate ( that I am part of) has seen the light in Wisconsin. We have the lowest bond rating in the US. We have come through the last four years without taking control of our state budget. Every other state came out of the post 911 era successfully, but not Wisconsin. Thompson had us on the road to serious trouble but now Doyle is driving the final nail. "
What has happened..... wrote on Jun 1, 2007 1:17 PM:
" is that we have risen Dane Counties per capita income to twice that of Milwaukee and Lacrosse. Someone has to place a brick on top of a brick, clear the tables, and sweep the floors. This guise of looking the other way for illegal aliens to do our menial work is going to be terribly expensive. How about starting with a WI Work Comp where investigators routinely leave their office? How about looking into that Tribune? Need any help or a direction to start, call me. - Nestor "
These pencil necks land a job in a turn key longstanding conglomerate wrote on Jun 1, 2007 1:02 PM:
" That has bought up and arguably monopolized everything in print for hundreds of miles. Then they have the audacity to profess they know how to turn a profit? This state is losing ground quickly and Doyle and his compardres (Lee Newspapers) have no idea how to scale it back. Milwaukee is a quagmire waiting for us. We will be throwing huge amounts of money into different facets of that City and many other around us. Unfunded mandates and government employee benefits are hugely unfunded. Hold on its going to be a bumpy ride. "
Need a mixed approach wrote on Jun 1, 2007 1:00 PM:
" Although I'm working toward a Master's Degree, I disagree with "NO"'s philosophy. My original four-year degree was all but useless in the real world. When I combined it with a technical college degree, I had a job waiting for me a month before I graduated, paying nearly double what I'd been earning before. And it only went up from there. Education needs not only a balance between technical and theoretical, but also more collaboration between business and academia. Business has a vested interest in a trained work force, but rarely bothers to help make that a reality. "
re NO! wrote on Jun 1, 2007 12:02 PM:
" Universities train bright people who can innovate, invent, and start businesses so those drones can have employment on the assembly lines you speak of. I would be in favor of state financial support for state residents attending state schools (ie free tuition) to further those goals. The same could be said for the technical colleges, as they should supply a lot of the skilled workers we also need. Kids in middle school and high school should see education as liberation and their future rather than the usual - a bore and a roadblock to something more interesting (the next party with friends). "
Real World wrote on Jun 1, 2007 11:55 AM:
" Yep, ignorance is bliss. Who needs an education anyway since it is "too expensive"? Them welfare checks just keep coming in - helps with the trailer payment and feedn them rugrats. "
To: the real world wrote on Jun 1, 2007 11:17 AM:
" You're thinking like it's 1950. In this day and age, employers can locate anywhere they want. They choose to locate where they find large labor pools. If our local colleges turn out an educated, sophisticated workforce, employers will come to town to employ them. Everybody wins. This is exactly what we see happening in Madison, where state employment has decreased by 20% in the last 20 years, but private employment has more than made up for it because of the large number of educated workers graduating from the local colleges. "
The real world wrote on Jun 1, 2007 8:36 AM:
" Utopia would be nice but we can't afford to fund it. Some logic is that spending this money will give us a higher quality of life, and if it would it would be great. The problem is that it cost a great deal of money up front and we will educate these people and they will go where they can have a higher quality of life. Somewhere that hasn't spent themselves into oblivion. "
NO! wrote on Jun 1, 2007 8:27 AM:
" "Wisconsin needs to make sure its public universities are up to the challenge of educating the next generation of workers." Universities are NOT job training centers!!!! They are places where people learn about the world and how they can creatively enhance the world. Universities do not train drones to shuffle along in an assembly line. They help people find their talents, integrate them, learn about challenges that need solutions and innovate those solutions. All the more reason, universities deserve better funding AND more people should attend universities. "
rprp wrote on Jun 1, 2007 8:04 AM:
" Wisconsin is a farm economy according to Doyle. To improve Wisconsin's economy we need fair taxation. Unless taxation is not a part of Wisconsin's economy the economy will stay stagnate. The education system will reamain a drain on the economy and not help it. "
Where is James Comey wrote on Jun 1, 2007 7:25 AM:
" James Comey......who and where are you? "
We get this same story a couple times a year wrote on Jun 1, 2007 5:29 AM:
" But the growth never happens. We just get more blight from the growth of the schools, and less tax base for the city. "
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