Dick Cheney wrote on Jul 15, 2007 9:17 PM:
" should be put in prison for treason among other things.He can't shoot worth a darn either. "
kamikazefaase wrote on Jul 10, 2007 3:36 AM:
" To True America and my other response above that: Did we find WMD's in Iraq? Where is the link to al-Queda? How many lies and lives are to be bought by your inability to see the truth. I can't help when I see both incompetence and lies that are trying to be covered by more lies that only fools will not see through. Congress is failing to protect our liberties by not impeaching the President and his cronies for not upholding their oath of office. And it will take both a revolution and a lifetime to clean up this mess unless you plan on having King George around for life. Thank God January 2009 is coming. I pray that no GOP wins any elections. Vote Green Party or anyone else but the GOP. "
Bugs Raplin wrote on Jul 9, 2007 9:29 AM:
" I was pleased to see the comments of the folks, who have come to realize that both the Democrats and Republicans have failed the people. The Clintons were/are lawless renegades as is the Bush administration. Still, Bush's crimes are far worse than Bubba's. After all, Bush attacked and killed Americans on 9/11 and then used that attack to launch two illegal wars. Please see David Ray Griffin's "Debunking 9/11 Debunkers." "
Doesn't matter if Bush ever broke the law. wrote on Jul 7, 2007 12:24 PM:
" The question is whether it was right and ethical to pardon someone in his administration who could point the finger and bring the chickens home to roost. On the surface it looks smarmy and deceitful. And polls are showing that a vast majority of Americans think it was the wrong thing to do. Which indicates that Bush values are not in line with American's values. "
It is true that Bush said he would punish anyone wrote on Jul 7, 2007 10:45 AM:
" in his administration that leaked information. The VP's Chief of Staff was convicted of lying to a grand jury and obstructing justice. So Bush stuck to his word. The question is, was it right to commute Scooter's sentence? I don't know. Would he have commuted a staff janitors sentence? No. But this was a crime committed at the top tier of the Executive branch where ethics and integrity are thought to be highest. Bush did promise to bring integrity back. He failed miserably at that promise. "
To kamikazefaase wrote on Jul 7, 2007 7:30 AM:
" All you have to share is more foundless allegations. High crimes and misdemeanors indeed. Veiled threats of revolution and treason. Yep, you're the guy people are going to listen too, you can count on that! You're a plank or two short of a raft, sailor. "
True America wrote on Jul 7, 2007 7:13 AM:
" Oh yes. pay no attention to the bedrock of our legal system which is innocent until proved guilty. This doesn't apply to government officials or does it kamikazefaase?Then there is the plantiff. The ACLU led the lawsuit on behalf of other groups including lawyers, journalists and scholars it says have been handicapped in doing their jobs by the government monitoring. The case was ruled without merit. Of course all the government really wants to do is listen to your boring chit chat and gossip on the telephone. Why would I have ever doubted that. Damn that evil Bush! "
Tired wrote on Jul 7, 2007 1:56 AM:
" Once again, it is proven . Anyone who makes less than l million a year and votes republican is simple minded. "
kamikazefaase wrote on Jul 6, 2007 11:16 PM:
" To "True America": Bush didn't break any laws! Let's start with his lying to Congress. There's a law against that. Misrepresentation of facts before any legal body...like the United Nations is also a crime against humanity because of those dying as a result. Bush should be impeached first and then handed over to the World Court for crimes against humanity and face the death sentence. Then Cheney should face similar charges for his part in this deadly deception. But this has not even touched the illegal spying on us. There are laws he has openly violated and tossed aside Constitutional rights. This is at the very least grounds for impeachment as high crimes and misdemeanors. Only this group of chickens called Congress won't stand up for the American people and do the right and legal thing. No wonder people want to revolt against this government...no one is listening to us. "
Harvard Political Review, 2007. " wrote on Jul 6, 2007 10:34 PM:
" You print an opinion as proof? You would gladly give up your freedoms to support Bush and his cronies. Not me. I say we find Osama and all his buddies and punish them, not the American people. And we do it with good solid police work, not attacking a soveriegn nation that had nothing to do with it, and then twisting facts and slandering critics. True American? No. Pandering for your Party? Yes! "
Only dismissed because the wrote on Jul 6, 2007 9:32 PM:
" Plaintiff couldn't show they personal were harmed. And because warrants weren't run past the FISA properly, we may never know what really happened. You can not justify not following established laws and principles by only giving half the truth. it was wrong for America and wrong for our citizens. "
True America-Constitutional privacy amendment intact / I know of no one who has suffered any personal discomfort or had their rights compromised. wrote on Jul 6, 2007 3:21 PM:
" CINCINNATI (AP) -- A federal appeals court Friday ordered the dismissal of a lawsuit challenging President Bush's domestic spying program, saying the plaintiffs had no standing to sue.
The 2-1 ruling by the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals panel vacated a 2006 order by a lower court in Detroit, which had found the post-Sept. 11 warrantless surveillance aimed at uncovering terrorist activity to be unconstitutional, violating rights to privacy and free speech and the separation of powers. (07/06/2007)
"
True America wrote on Jul 6, 2007 3:10 PM:
" A careful examination of relevant legislation and precedent shows that the law clearly allows the NSA’s use of unwarranted wiretaps on international communications between persons in the United States and suspected terrorists abroad. To begin, the program operates comfortably within the bounds of the Constitution and does not, as some mistakenly believe, violate the Fourth Amendment. Warrants are required for domestic search and seizure, but in decision such as Katz v. United States and United States v. United States District Court, the Supreme Court specifically allowed an exception to the warrant requirement for domestic surveillance conducted for foreign intelligence purposes......Harvard Political Review, 2007. "
true? america (cont) wrote on Jul 6, 2007 11:18 AM:
" As for locking up people - Mr Libby in jail would be a start. At least HE had due process and his day in court (as well as an APPEAL court)- something you seem to advocate we just forget about if somehow terrorism is involved. The hysteria you have about the issue (and anti-"liberal" comments) reminds me of the 1950s hysteria- a Communist in every corner trying to subvert right thinking Republicans. In retrospect not our finest time as a nation. Terrorists should be a concern and dealt with - as the Brits have showed us, we should NOT let them subvert our own values while hysterically trying to fight their twisted values. "
true? america wrote on Jul 6, 2007 11:08 AM:
" So are you trying to say that Bush DIDNT violate statutes enacted by Congress and signed into law (ie warrantless wiretapping of US citizens)? Either he did or he didnt. It isnt a matter of liberals"convicting Bush without the due-process' Maybe he should ignore more subpoenas from Congress or more signing statements that declare he wont enforce laws EVEN AS HE SIGNS THE BILL INTO LAW. The Justice Department is part of the Executive, of which he is head. And I thought it was Caesar they were referring to when it was said "his word was law" - not The War President. Rule of law? Who needs it. Makes it kind of silly to try to export it (like in Iraq) if we dont practice what we preach at home. "
TO Dear True America wrote on Jul 6, 2007 10:31 AM:
" By using your own criteria we should not lock up anybody. We have incarcerated innocent people many times before. Heaven forbid we make a mistake if it's terrorist related. But, it's Ok to lock up Uncle Joe if it's mistake. Hell, Uncle Joe is not suspected of terrorism so why would good Socialist/Commie liberal care? You people who are convicting Bush without the due-process are really the hypocrites. -TRUE AMERICA_ "
Scooter Libbey wrote on Jul 6, 2007 8:45 AM:
" Was The lawyer for Marc Rich Who was pardened by Mr Clinton "
Dear True America wrote on Jul 6, 2007 6:33 AM:
" you might have a different point of view about St George and illegal wiretapping (of US citizens without court order) when you are declared an illegal enemey combatant and sent to a black hole like Gitmo without due process or habeus corpus. No opportunity to defend yourself. In other words, you cease to exist with NO LEGAL RIGHTS. Think it cant happen (or that it hasent)? I can just imagine the government reply- oh, gosh, we made a mistake, it was SOMEONE ELSE we were after. Well, whatever, we CANT BE CERTAIN YOU arent an evil person, so enjoy the Cuban weather. This is a republic of laws and rule of law. Think about it. "
Dear "To Bush broke the lasws of God" wrote on Jul 6, 2007 2:56 AM:
" Any doo-dah who tries to compare Bush and current military actions to WWII or the Civil War is simply unworthy of being taken seriously. Bush is being humiliated by a handful of whacko nutcases. They knocked down the twin towers and hit the Pentagon under Bush's watch.....9 months into his watch. No, there is no past President to compare Bush with....Bush is a uniquely solid LOSER. "
Dear "true America" wrote on Jul 6, 2007 2:53 AM:
" If you consent to the government spying on you and the rest of the population it is YOU who demonstrates "communist" tenedencies. You seem to support our current Beltway Politburo. I don't believe you truly understand "America"... "
To: Bush Broke The Laws Of GOD wrote on Jul 5, 2007 11:01 PM:
" Sounds like what the USA did to Germany during WWII or what Lincoln did for the Union. Did Germany attack us? No! Did Lee atttack the North? No! Was wiping out Hitler's regime justified? Yes was taking the war to the South justified? Debatable, but none the less puts GW in good company and standing if you ask me. "
To: True American - Bush Broke The Laws Of GOD wrote on Jul 5, 2007 10:22 PM:
" George W. Bush ordered the bombing, invasion, and occupation of another country that had never attacked the USA. Are you familiar with the Commandment, "THALL SHALT NOT KILL"? How many men, women, and children are dead because of George W. Bush? "
To Re true American wrote on Jul 5, 2007 9:56 PM:
" More speculative allegations and such foolishness is all you offer? Consider your post disregarded. Either offer proof or you have proved to be a waster of bandwidth and time. "
Re true American wrote on Jul 5, 2007 9:21 PM:
" They tapped without following the rules. For no reason. The rules even allowed for emergency action without hindering. There was simply no oversight. As a 'true American, you must know that our government was founded on the oversight of official entities to preclude abuse. Without oversight, NO ONE can say if there were abuses or not. If the Bush administration had followed the rules, they COULD have claimed there were none. Not possible now. "
True America wrote on Jul 5, 2007 8:18 PM:
" I don't believe I've been wire tapped. Can anybody who posts here prove they have been "tapped"? Maybe suspected terrorist are being wire tapped. How awful! The wiretaps are lawfull security measures that only a person with subversive principles and politics would find objection able as a legal national security tool. Someone who is perhaps a Socialist/Communist sympathizer. "
Craig D wrote on Jul 5, 2007 7:18 PM:
" "Get Real. "Less powerful" defendants would not have received 30 months in a federal prison for these crimes in the first place. If you or I were charged with what Libby was charged with, and no politics were at play, we would have received the same sentence as Libbys commuted sentence."
You mean like Victor Rita, the 24 years in the service decorated veteran who was give 33 months for exactly the same charge, perjury? The one who the Bush Administration filed a “friend-of-the-court brief” with the Supreme Court, in an attempt to uphold a lower court’s ruling that a 33-month prison sentence was reasonable?
You mean somebody like that? "
Craig D wrote on Jul 5, 2007 7:10 PM:
" Good Lord - 'Clinton Clinton Clinton'
It never ceases to amaze me the leagues of morally-challenged people that seem to be espousing the age old school playground 'tit for tat' argument.
News flash. Two wrongs don't make a right. Clinton did his dirty deeds seven years ago and just because they were wrong then, and plentiful, DOES NOT constitute a valid reason to excuse Mr. Decider's decision to let one of his cronies walk unscathed.
If you want to have feeble morals and make your judgments on an individuals behavior dependent upon whether or not you agree with them politically, that's your problem, however, don't expect anybody with a modicum of common sense to be swayed by the "Clinton did it, so that makes it okay" argument. It just makes you look small minded and viscous.
"
Dear "True America" wrote on Jul 5, 2007 7:01 PM:
" You don't believe the pResident broke any laws. Three republican pResidential candidates don't believe in evolution......Anyway, the wire-tapping and spying on US citizenry is worthy of imprisonment. There Bush clearly broke the law....and we need to break him for it. If you surrender your privacy to the government you're nothing more than a colonialist sympathizer....you probably drink tea and toast the Queen in the evening. No? "
Dear "Eddie" wrote on Jul 5, 2007 6:57 PM:
" Good observation. And yes....it is part of the plan....the Beltway folks want to keep the citizenry divided and in FEAR. Then no one bothers to look behind the drawn curtains.....Once one understands this, the true road to FREEDOM can begin. It won't be easy. - Brian G Smith "
Dear "To Socialist B.G.Smith" wrote on Jul 5, 2007 6:54 PM:
" I follow a Christ based doctrine....if the appearance of "socialism" is some side affect from that choice and that bothers you.....deal with it. Clinton's "sins" were minor compared to the sins of Bush and his administration. Let's say, for arguments sake...Clinton was horrible against terrorists and totally lacking scruples......didn't Bush and crew come in saying they were different...better? Truth is Clinton was on to global terrorism, the Nation was well prepared. Bush dropped the ball....followed his own deal, thought "rogue missiles" were a big threat. Now God's chosen one, Bush...and his dwindling number of nameless supporters...pathetically point to Clinton's boneheaded pardons and claim Bush isn't the first. ALl talk of Bush being a straight talking man of his words you'd like to sip a beer with at a bar-b-que WITHERS in this context. "
Eddie wrote on Jul 5, 2007 4:50 PM:
" The petty partisan bickering here is absolutely nauseating. This is why crooks in Washington get to do as they please - the People are too busy fighting amongst themselves. "
to: Law Means Nothing, 3:27pm poster wrote on Jul 5, 2007 4:20 PM:
" your dead on, laws don't mean anything in this country anymore, just take a look at illegal immigration, and how government tried to give those lawbreakers a pardon. even though "WE the People" were overwhelmingly against it. that god for talk radio. "
Re:Poor memory abounds wrote on Jul 5, 2007 3:57 PM:
" Clinton almost ruined the respect of the office? The guy in there now claims to have choked on a pretzel and hit his head. His second in command got light up and shot somebody in the face. "
True America wrote on Jul 5, 2007 3:49 PM:
" I don't believe the President has broken any laws. Lets have some proof instead of absurd generalized allegations. "
3:27 wrote on Jul 5, 2007 3:44 PM:
" Nothing illegal about what he or Clinton did. They have the power and the right. "
To: Who cares about Mr. Libby? wrote on Jul 5, 2007 3:36 PM:
" You hit the nail right on the head with that comment! This proposed complex violates a laundry list of procedural rules – from 1½ parking spaces per bedroom, then, to 1 parking space per bedroom, and now, to less that ½ parking space per bedroom – and exactly who is making these decisions? And on behalf of whom? Everyone who lives on any block, and beyond, is affected by the negative impact of further parking problems and congestion, not to mention the abnormal spike in population density in neighborhoods. This proposed complex is an outragious proposal.
"
Laws mean NOTHING wrote on Jul 5, 2007 3:27 PM:
" Why should we follow the order of law if our President and his administration do not need to follow it? "
rsm wrote on Jul 5, 2007 3:16 PM:
" Utilizing a “get out of jail free” card, when serious breaches of conduct or law have been committed, is certain to leave a bad taste in at least half of the mouths in a politically charged environment. It takes enormous and rare integrity to allow what is just to stand, without intervention. Unfortunately, we don’t often see that in politics. (sigh) … . "
Any here familiar with what "opinion" means? wrote on Jul 5, 2007 3:14 PM:
" This is the editorial page and the Tribune is allowed to have an opinion just as much as any who post here or who write to the paper. Disagree with their opinion, but try and grasp the concept of what an opinion is. They allow you to come here anonymously and say pretty much what you want to say. The Tribune gets the same privilege, so get over it. "
help me out on this one... wrote on Jul 5, 2007 2:52 PM:
" what exactly gives with the Tribs blogs anyways? they seem to have no problem printing this Welch guys nonsensical ramblings, but i asked a perfectly good question in a blog about RiverFest and got censored. all i asked was, has the RiverFest board bought 'carbon credits' to offset the CO2 emmissions this fest is generating. so have they? "
Who cares about Mr. Libby? wrote on Jul 5, 2007 2:45 PM:
" We are being approached to allow building of rental housing units at a 69 bedroom to 28 parking space ratio. The Tribune allows coverage in a small paragraph below 'crossing guards' in an article. Talk about problems, cars in the streets, and setting precedent! "
To:12:50pm wrote on Jul 5, 2007 2:37 PM:
" That is wrong. Think about what you are saying 5 years simply makes no sense just for telling a lie. It is overkill. Name me one person who ever received that sentence for that crime. "
To 1:17 Bottom Line wrote on Jul 5, 2007 2:05 PM:
" First of all, just because Clinton does it, does not make it right for Bush to do it. But, they both had the power and the right. So, stop whining about it. What's done is done. Secondly, nobody was "outed." Plame was not an undercover operative, so there was nothing that was done illegally. Libby should not have even been questioned, because the prosecuters already knew their case was void. The prosecuters (much like the Duke prosecuter) should also be hung out to dry for failing to disqualify themselves when the case was over. "
so basically the local conservatives' response seems to be: wrote on Jul 5, 2007 1:20 PM:
" Clinton did this too, so it's OK when Bush does. I assume the same people would also look the other way if it were discovered that Bush was having sex with an intern- after all, if Clinton did it then it's ok for Bush, right?
(PS: I challenge you to find me ONE Democrat not named Hillary who would defend Bill Clinton's pardons on his way out the door of the white house) "
Bottom line wrote on Jul 5, 2007 1:17 PM:
" The Bushistas are just like my nephews caught red-handed. One hand in the cookie-jar, the other pointing a finger at his brother. And my answer to them is the same as to the boys: I don't care what HE did: We're talking about what YOU did. Bottom line: People could have DIED because of the leak. Shielding a person who recklessly endangered the lives of the people who are supposed to be protecting us from terrorism is flat-out inexcusable. What Clinton did or didn't do Just. Doesn't. Matter. The buck stops with Bush. Period. "
RE; Come on Tribune! YOUR WRONG wrote on Jul 5, 2007 12:50 PM:
" The average sentence for a person convicted of lying to a grand jury is 5 years 5 months. This is from the USDOJ crime statistics. Libby got off easy to start with, he would have served 13 months, if shrubbie the smirking chimp would not have gotten involved. But then he does have to insure the cover-up is going according to Darth Chenney's plans. "
HOW QUICKLY WE FORGET... wrote on Jul 5, 2007 12:44 PM:
" It is interesting to me how many of you seem to forget all the crooks the wonderful Bill Clinton pardoned at the end of his time in the White House. HHHmmmmm I seem to recall a few pardons for people who gave big bucks to his campaign. GIVE ME A BREAK! Wake up. You all know that trial was a joke, and a sham, just another way for the whiney liberals to try to "look good". It will take a whole lot more that than. I remember when Democrat wasn't a bad word. Those days are long gone. "
To Socialist B.G. Smith wrote on Jul 5, 2007 12:18 PM:
" What State do you live in now, besides a state of confussion. "
Michael Welch: Born In Pakistan Near The Afghan Border?... wrote on Jul 5, 2007 11:54 AM:
" You know I don't really care about 'Scooter' or even if he serves time; after all he's just the 'agent,' not the perpetrator. The man who ought to be jailed for violating federal law is Dick 'Duck! I'm ABOVE/I AM The Law!' Cheney, the one who runs 'poor' Scoots and other E. Howardish minions. And moreover as Hunt once said to John Dean 'You don't leave your men on the beach!' So Nixon er Bush did at least send in an LCT: give him 'credit.' We've a war we no longer want, plus our very own international gulag for secret prisoners and a presidency increasingly acting as an imperatorship -- gee it looks like first century CE to me. (So where's 'our' Jesus by the way?...) "
Here is what I wish! wrote on Jul 5, 2007 11:49 AM:
" That the Tribune and it's staff, under whatever name they come out with would stop this 'better than thou' spewing. Why? They have little right. They virtually hide an article in the bi-lines under an article under 'crossing guards'. An issue at the Council now to 'relax' parking requirements for rental housing to 28 parking spaces for 69 bedrooms. In an area where the Mr. D's debacle took place. Back when the Mr. D's issue was revolving around parking needs. That any clear thinking person in our City is able to figure that this 'relaxation' will place many cars on the already congested streets, and set bad precedent as well! -Nestor "
Thanks for reminding us but ... wrote on Jul 5, 2007 11:45 AM:
" you might recall from Osama that a major part of the anger against the west has been the fact that foreign troops (ie American) have been in Saudi Arabia and defiling the holy sites of Mecca since ... let me think, since the FIRST Bush administration. Hardly liberal please note. There are certainly other issues that drive their anger. As for them becoming more bold due to liberals, it doesnt help that they can see how impotent our military "solution" has been thus far. The enemy isnt liberals (anymore than it is stupid conservatives). Politics of the extremes doesnt help us, it hurts us. Get a clue. "
To 8:38 wrote on Jul 5, 2007 11:05 AM:
" So? He was telling the truth. It turned out that nobody leaked classified information. What's your point? "
Jimmy Carter wrote on Jul 5, 2007 10:59 AM:
" This GW Bush is making Me look better every day.Rember when gas was .78 cents a gallon? "
Poor memory abounds wrote on Jul 5, 2007 10:53 AM:
" with the presumably liberal tribune editorial board. Don't you guys remember what Clinton did. He nearly single-handedly ruined the respect of the presidential office. His pardons were preposterous. Why didn't you mention that. You people seem to be so far leftist as to not even mention Clinton's grand doings. Why do you continue to try and influence the public in this way?? "
To "now the democrats" wrote on Jul 5, 2007 10:52 AM:
" Now with your statement you can just reverse the parties and it would be the same attitude to get Clinton out of office. Funny huh, same B.S. different party. When was the last time sex killed thousand's of people ??? "
JS wrote on Jul 5, 2007 10:41 AM:
" Both parties are hypocrites. The republicans cried fowl when Clinton pardoned over 100+ criminals at the end of his term and now the democrats are doing the same when it comes to Bush commuting libby's sentence. This just shows adds to case where BOTH parties are out of touch with the average American citizen. "
You just don't get it wrote on Jul 5, 2007 10:39 AM:
" Bush is going to finish out his term doing what he considers right. There is not going to be any "removal from office" of his upper administration. Relax, Scooter will be pardoned and we will elect a new Republican president from the Big Apple. "
Who is this "Clinton" you speak of? wrote on Jul 5, 2007 10:39 AM:
" He must have been a very powerful person indeed, to still influence our national stage. But I would like to know more. I did not hear anything about this person in the last several months. Not even in 4 or 5 YEARS, yet people write about this "Clinton" as though he influenced politics this very week? I doubt that this person could affect anything now if it were older than that, yet some seem so sure! Please let me know about this "Clinton", as I wish to know more about what affects our government in these trying times. "
Jamie wrote on Jul 5, 2007 10:28 AM:
" Since when is oral sex against the law? "
what will it take? wrote on Jul 5, 2007 10:21 AM:
" to get these idiots out of office! Let's just keep bringing up the Clinton admin and all the crooked things that went down then - surely that will help! Get real! Bush and his axis of evil (all those creeps who work under him) gotta go! He is just proving that they can get away with anything! Let's throw the nation into an unjust war! Let's go quail hunting and shoot someone in the face! It's all good! Lies run this administration! "
kamikazefaase wrote on Jul 5, 2007 10:20 AM:
" To "Mr. Common Sense": You want Scooter Libby pardoned! My thanks to "Bush is a LIAR" for using Bush's own words to prove his and "Mr Common Sense"'s shortcomings. Lying has become this administrations pasttime and Americans are dying and losing as a result, unless you are wealthy and in his power circle. If Democrats would stop trying to be nice and impeach both jerks in the White House who have no regards for the Constitution except when it suits themselves, then Libby's sentence would never have been commuted in the first place. To "Thanks for reminding us": Don't forget all the stuff the Reagan/Bush Sr. administration did that allowed Saddam to use our weapons on his own people. And what scandals their people were involved with. The GOP always seems to act like they are above the law. History has proven this time after time. "
Now the democrats wrote on Jul 5, 2007 10:10 AM:
" will use this for another excuse to hold hearings, in a desperate attempt to get Bush, Which seems to be their whole reason for existing, rather than do anything that might actually benefit the people. "
Re: Thanks for reminding us wrote on Jul 5, 2007 10:07 AM:
" I could replace the word liberal and replace it with conservatives and your message would still be correct. That is why partisian politics are so stupid. Both sides lie, cheat, and steal. We, the citizens, need to stand up to these people and hold them accountable, both left and right. "
Libby should have wrote on Jul 5, 2007 10:04 AM:
" taken a lesson from Hilary Clinton when she was questioned and the answer would not have been good for her. Just say, "I don't recall." "
Dear Clinton Haters wrote on Jul 5, 2007 9:51 AM:
" Tough going for you folks these days. As Bush's performance continues twisting down the toilet it only serves to make Clinton's tenure look all the more remarkable. Bush came into office claiming he/they would restore integrity to the White House. Pardoning Libby went against many strong edicts Bush uttered regarding the exposing of a covert CIA agent. Still waiting for one of the few Bush supporters out there to tell me what Bush did against terrorism during his first nine months in office !!! - Brian G Smith "
Kool-Aid? wrote on Jul 5, 2007 9:51 AM:
" Anyone who thinks we are in Iraq for legitimate reasons (WMD's?) is drinking Kool-Aid. Those who question are the true patriots. Take off the blinders and see the light! Bush's commutation of the Libby sentence is just another example of his pompous attitude toward the American people. "
Re: Why is it always conservatives vs liberals wrote on Jul 5, 2007 9:47 AM:
" Excellent point! I remember when this country was red, white, and blue. Now it is only red and blue. Partisian politics are ruining this country. "
Iraq wrote on Jul 5, 2007 9:32 AM:
" Has NOTHING to do with 9-11 and terror(till We came) "
Thanks for reminding us wrote on Jul 5, 2007 9:05 AM:
" Thanks to all of you who do not forget the Clinton scandal. Liberals always want to conveniently forget history when it comes to the scandal in their party. I blame all of you liberals for the escalating terrorist attacks in Iraq and abroad. You and the biased media are empowering these animals and putting our troops at risk. I know, you don't see it that way because you drink the kool-aid and can not think for yourself anymore. Thats the way of the Liberal agenda and their train of thought; most Americans are stupid and can not live their life on their own - we need to help them. "
Why is it always conservatives vs liberals wrote on Jul 5, 2007 9:04 AM:
" Reading these comments really shows how F'd up we are as a country. The conservative all make statements like ".. well Clinton did a worse thing when he pardoned ...". This reminds me how, when everyone finally realized Nixon was a crook the conservitives said ".. he just got caugth, they all do it...". You all just fall into this tit-for-tat defend your guy trap. Meanwhile our politicians just keep lying more and more and are not held accountable by us.
I like much of what Clinton did, but the pardon were wrong. And so is this commutation of Libby. Neither president should get away with this sort of thing. "
Come on Tribune! wrote on Jul 5, 2007 8:42 AM:
" Get Real. "Less powerful" defendants would not have received 30 months in a federal prison for these crimes in the first place. If you or I were charged with what Libby was charged with, and no politics were at play, we would have received the same sentence as Libbys commuted sentence. Commuting Libbys sentence just ensured that equal justice under the law was in place. "Powerful" defendants should not receive a more lenient sentence...but, they should not receive a harsher sentence either. "
Bush is a LIAR - Feb. 11, 2004 wrote on Jul 5, 2007 8:38 AM:
" "If there's a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is," Bush told reporters at an impromptu news conference during a fund-raising stop in Chicago, Illinois. "If the person has violated law, that person will be taken care of.
"I welcome the investigation. I am absolutely confident the Justice Department will do a good job.
"I want to know the truth," the president continued. "Leaks of classified information are bad things."
He added that he did not know of "anybody in my administration who leaked classified information."
"
Bill Clinton wrote on Jul 5, 2007 8:24 AM:
" Did Clinton pardon any felons that obstructed justice in the process of getting us involved in an unnecessary and pointless war? As for Clinton and oral sex - so that is in the same category as committing a crime as revenge for going public to set the record straight? I think not. The Bush/Cheney/Rove/Libby attempt to get back at Joe Wilson -for his opinion piece in the NYT outlining the false claims of the administration that was part of the spin to gain support for the Iraq war-was a crime, but will obviously go unpunished. "
Dean wrote on Jul 5, 2007 8:17 AM:
" What happened to the chemical weapons Ronald Reagon and Bush senior gave to Sadaam during the Iran-Iraq war? "
Things must be bad for the GOP wrote on Jul 5, 2007 8:12 AM:
" If they are using Bill Clinton as an excuse for their actions, the GOP has sunk to a new low. "
Jake wrote on Jul 5, 2007 8:05 AM:
" At issue is flawed intel that got US in a war costing both lives and billions $ it is more of an issue than $ex "
Do the right thing Bush wrote on Jul 5, 2007 8:01 AM:
" and give him the full pardon.Mr. Wilson was the real leaker and Libby the fall guy.Now secure the border and send the 12 million law breakers back and you will have all the conservatives backing you!!Don't pay attention to this liberal biased,joke of a newspaper. "
Bush wrote on Jul 5, 2007 7:53 AM:
" was elected by the people. He could let out every mass-murderer if he wanted. That's in his power. It doesn't matter who is elected President. From now on, you petty pests will rag the winner. Let it go! Get a life! Get a job! Life's too short to worry about what the "winners" are doing. Focus on your own sorry existence, and get a job! Feed your family! Quit littering the internet with your blather. "
Libby wrote on Jul 5, 2007 7:50 AM:
" shouldn't have even testified. You all seem to forget that the facts about Plame were uncovered prior to the subpoena served on Libby. There was no case at that point. Plame was proven to not have been a "covert operative," and the system was headhunting at that point. Good for Libby. Funny how all of the unsuccessful try to sabotage the successful. "
Messages wrote on Jul 5, 2007 7:43 AM:
" For all the conservative blather about "activist" liberal judges we not have exactly the oppostie - "activist" conservative Supreme Court and a president that decides what is (in his humble opinion) just in spite of what the legal profession and judiciary feels is just based on THE LAW. Is this another example of The Decider and those pulling his strings - Mr Libbys boss Dick (I'm Not The President But I Will Run Things Anyway) Cheney- being above the law? Unitary Executive be damned. "
The real problem is... wrote on Jul 5, 2007 7:41 AM:
" The heart of the coverup goes straight to the White House. I will lay odds that Cheney was the real culprit and Mr Libby was the fall guy. The pardon was in the offing from the first day of Scooter's conviction.
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Dean wrote on Jul 5, 2007 7:31 AM:
" Bush lied thousands died "
Libby McDonald wrote on Jul 5, 2007 7:30 AM:
" Does anyone remember Bill Clinton the man who taught us the oral sex wasn't really sex, that lying wasn't really lying. And remember the distruction and theft from the White House when he and Hillary left office. Oh!and the 97 real crooks that he pardoned. Oh! sorry he was our greated President "
Did it send the wrong message wrote on Jul 5, 2007 7:05 AM:
" Did it send the wrong message when Clinton handed out 140 pardons in January 2001? "
remembering wrote on Jul 5, 2007 7:03 AM:
" How many dozens of people did Pres. Bill Clinton "pardon" a few hours before leaving office? Is a "pardon" more acceptable when a President leaves office? I don't necessarily like the Libby deal, but Bush seems quite "presidential" at this time! "
Lets not forget wrote on Jul 5, 2007 6:52 AM:
" What message did President Clinton send when he pardoned all those "criminals"???? Do you all forget that issue????? Now, of course because President Bush did this, it is "wrong"????? Let the readers and the American remember that....
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Richard W Cheney wrote on Jul 5, 2007 6:39 AM:
" Had five draft deferments during the conflict in seuth east Asia "
Bush Senior wrote on Jul 5, 2007 6:33 AM:
" Pardened North and Poindexter for Iran-Contra which helped create this mess in the Middle-East "
There's NO truth wrote on Jul 5, 2007 6:31 AM:
" from this administration and this is one more example of the inverse "moral values" he & his cronies & dopey supporters exhibit. Again & again. He should've been impeached! "
Crony Phonies.... wrote on Jul 5, 2007 6:23 AM:
" Bush is a disgrace, there is no argument. His word is worthless, he has no honor, he should resign immediately for the sake of this nation. "
Time to IMPEACH wrote on Jul 5, 2007 2:09 AM:
" Enough said. Bush-Cheney are rogue elements....a detriment to our Nation. They must be removed like CANCER. - Brian G Smith "
Leftist dibble.. wrote on Jul 5, 2007 12:43 AM:
" La Crosse Tribune, you would do well to go to the following web site and read the list of Clinton pardons and get back to me about your last paragraph. Your editorial board should research both sides before you print this crud. http://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/clintonpardon_grants.htm "
Mr. Common Sense wrote on Jul 5, 2007 12:09 AM:
" Why are you guys at the Trib bemoaning Libby's prison sentence being commuted? You call that an outrage? He should be pardoned! Was it not an outrage when Clinton, in the waning hours of his presidency, pardoned financier Marc Rich after committing tax evasion and fraud? Even Senator Tom Daschle expressed dismay over that one. What about Sandy Berger stealing documents from the National Archives and only returning some, not all, of the documents during the 9/11 Comission Hearings? Was he charged with anything? NO! -- I knew there was a reason why I don't drink Kool Aid. "
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