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Payday crunch: Are loans a bailout or rip-off?


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If you’ve watched late-night television, you’ve probably seen ads featuring a leggy woman driving away in a convertible sports car with her chiseled husband, cash in hand from a payday loan. The message: Take out a payday loan, take a vacation.

But the reality is closer to: You have a maxed-out credit card, an overspent checking account and a car muffler that just fell off. You need money now, and the usual sources — banks or credit unions — won’t provide it.
Twenty-nine payday loan stores have sprouted on Main Streets and suburban strip malls in five area counties — La Crosse, Vernon, Jackson, Crawford and Monroe — part of a state and national explosion in business.

Drive around, you’ll see the signs — CashFast, FastCash, ChecKing, Check n’ Go, SpeedyLoan, EZMoney.

Owners say they serve people that banks turned away long ago and provide money fast for people in a financial pinch. But the industry’s many critics decry them as predatory lenders that charge sky-high fees and trap people under a heap of debt.

They’re banned in 13 states, but in Wisconsin they’re legal and subject to no regulatory limits on loan terms. And they’re expanding, according to figures from the state Department of Financial Institutions.

In 1996, the state had 64 payday loan locations; in 2006, there were 474. Their average loan then: $140. Average loan last year: $389.

“These people are ripping people off all across the country,” said state Rep. Marlin Schneider, D-Wisconsin Rapids, a La Crosse native who authored a bill in the Assembly to curb the interest rates charged on payday loans.

“Do you really think our customers are choosing us because they like getting ripped off?” countered Cole Heller, owner of four payday stores in Wisconsin, including CashFast on Rose Street in La Crosse. “Have you gone to your local bank and asked for a $300 loan lately? Do you know what they’d say to you?”

How they work

Walk into a payday lender with a pay stub and a blank check. You can walk out with $100 to $1,000 cash, minus the lender’s fee, which typically is about $20 for every $100 loaned.

You’re required to have a checking account, but some payday customers open a checking account solely to take out payday loans, according to an ex-payday store manager who asked not to be identified.

You sign an agreement promising to pay the loan off two weeks later. The applications clearly explain the loans’ annual percentage rate in massive bold letters.

A study of payday lenders by the Department of Financial Institutions in 2000 found an average annual interest rate of 542.2 percent. A $100 loan, paid off a year later, would cost the customer $548.45.

If you can’t pay off the loan on time, you can extend it for additional weeks by paying just the interest or additional fee — or you can go to another payday loan store to borrow money to pay off the first lender.

Mary Jacobson, financial counselor at Catholic Charities in La Crosse, said she has seen clients who simultaneously were using eight local lenders. As the industry has risen, so has the number of clients in her office, she said, crippled by debt and, in some cases, facing bankruptcy or foreclosure.

But Heller said most payday customers pay off their loans on time, so quoting an annual percentage rate is misleading.

“It’s like asking your dentist to quote an hourly rate,” he said. “These are two-week loans. My customers know it’s going to cost them $20 to put a $100 bill in their pocket for two weeks. ”

The former manager said they truly prefer customers who pay off loans on time or within a month or two.

However, the person also said the industry looks forward to tax season.

Customers often extend loans until their tax returns come — then pay them off with the return, the former manager said. While most customers vow never to return after settling their debt, often they’re back within two weeks for another loan, the person said.

Why?

The reasons for taking out the loans, which explicitly state their annual percentage rate on top of the application, can cause head-scratching.

“Unless you positively knew you were going to get a big chunk of money in the next month, what on earth makes you think you’re able to pay off that loan?” asked deacon Richard Sage, executive director of Catholic Charities in La Crosse.

Jacobson said those in financial trouble often have the mindset that, “‘If I get this money now, it will get me out of my situation now and things will be better next week’ — I see that mentality every day in clients,” she said. “They’re not able to see the big picture.”

The DFI’s 2000 review of 17 state payday lenders found the average loan applicant has annual earnings in the low $20,000s, is more likely to rent than own and takes out loans with an average repayment time of 14 days, usually to cover emergency expenses.

A Department of Defense study found service members were four times as likely to be customers of payday loans, as the lenders often cluster near military bases. It led the federal government to cap interest rates for payday loans to U.S. armed forces members, due to perceived predatory lending to them and their spouses.

The growing ubiquity of payday lenders, and their aggressive advertising campaigns, make it that much more enticing, Sage said.

In this area, store employees plaster vehicle windshields with fliers in the shape of dollar signs. Jacobson found one such ad decorating her car after a craft fair at Sparta High School.

“Spent too much at the craft show?” she asked, imagining an advertisement. “Come get a payday loan.”

State Bank of La Crosse senior vice president Wayne Oliver said he had to chase away a crew slapping payday loan ads on vehicles in the State Bank employee parking lot in downtown La Crosse.

Legal — But Moral?

Oliver acknowledged payday lenders have arisen out of “a legitimate need” people have to obtain small sums of money fast for emergencies — one that banks and credit unions aren’t able or, in some cases, willing to fill.

But while payday lenders have acted within the law, he questioned whether the practice is “morally or ethically” responsible.

“How do you do the right thing the right way?” he asked rhetorically.

Oliver became aware of the issue when Sage sent a letter to local business leaders to raise awareness of the growing financial woes caused by payday lenders. He studied the issue further in depth as part of a graduate-level Prophetic Leadership class at Viterbo University.

And now he’s working with a local consortium of business leaders and charitable representatives to start an alternative-lending program that would serve the same people who now rely on payday lenders — without the exorbitant fees.

After studying alternative lending programs in other parts of the country, Oliver said he’s “not sure there is a best answer yet.”

But that hasn’t deterred him from seeking his own answers.

“I’ve got a dream I’m trying to sell,” he said. “Are there people who would become members of a lending co-op? Are there a hundred or a thousand people who would put $100 into a lending pool to make these loans? I think the answer is yes, and I think my vision here is to try to get a group of financial institutions to back that lending pool with a line of credit.”

Sage supports Oliver’s push to establish a new local lending option, but he also is looking to the state Legislature to impose stricter controls on the industry.

Madison inaction

Wisconsin has no regulatory limits on the terms, amount or maximum fees charged for payday loans. It does charge an annual licensing fee for lenders that charge more than an 18 percent annual interest rate. Typically, state licensing and inspection fees cost a lender about $1,500 a year, said the former payday manager.

A 2004 bill that would have imposed limits on payday lending passed both houses of the Wisconsin Legislature before being vetoed by Gov. Jim Doyle, who said it didn’t go far enough in protecting consumers.

An amended version, Assembly Bill 4, was introduced Jan. 12 by Reps. Schneider and Amy Sue Vruwink, D-Milladore. It would cap payday loan interest rates at 2 percent a month, or 24 percent a year.

The bill was referred to the Assembly’s Committee on Financial Institutions — where it has sat without a public hearing since January. Schneider said he’s shocked at the lack of outrage among his fellow lawmakers.

“They understand these (payday loan owners) are crooks,” he said. “But now it’s all about money and campaign contributions. No one cares about issues like this anymore.”

If passed, the bill likely would result in a $268,000 revenue loss in licensing fees payday lenders now pay to the state, according to a state budget estimate that accompanied the bill.

Schneider acknowledged it stands little chance even of earning a hearing, much less passing.

“We’re a do-nothing Legislature,” he said. “We hardly ever even meet.”

How It Grows

Interest charges for a $200 loan unpaid after 10 weeks with various annual percentage rates:

12% — $4.60

36% — $13.81

500% — $191.78

Source: Wisconsin Department of Financial Institutions

Know your subprime lenders

There are two main business models that instantly give money loans to people without requiring a credit check:

Auto title loans: Get cash using an automobile title as collateral

Payday loans: Get cash using an checking account as collateral

THE HISTORY OF PAYDAY LOANS

The practice of payday lending has its roots in “midget loans” that began in the late 19th century and thrived until states regulated them into nonexistence after World War II. Lenders known as “5 for 6 boys” fronted customers $5, with $6 due the next payday.

A 1941 study reported the loans had annual percentage rates of 279 percent to 559 percent — similar to those currently charged by payday lenders. The “5 for 6” loans also were once common in the military.

Source: Consumer Federation of America

Dan Simmons can be reached at (608) 791-8217 or dsimmons@lacrossetribune.com.
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Possible help? wrote on Aug 5, 2007 9:01 PM:

" I personally got a payday loan from www.fastsecureloans.com and had no trouble whatsoever from them. They really helped me out during a rough period. Sounds like a lot if the comments are from people who got the loans with no intention of paying them back. If you pay the loan back you will have no problem. This company had the lowest rates around and didn't require a credit check which in my case really helped me out. Hope this helps anyone who has been jerked around by other companies. "

Quit bad habits! wrote on Aug 2, 2007 6:03 AM:

" Change your spending habits so you don't have to live check to check. Borrowing at any rate won't help you get out of the hole. Live on what you earn. As to 'Dave Ramsey cant count', if borrowing to invest is so good, borrow against your house to invest and see how the risk makes you sleep better at night.... "

No Name wrote on Jul 31, 2007 3:26 PM:

" It's amazing how someone can sit and say how bad payday loans are.. what happens to the working person who lives pay check to pay check and they get in a bind.. do you really think a bank can give them a quick 300.00.. didn't think so "

Dave Ramsey can't count wrote on Jul 31, 2007 12:13 PM:

" Borrowing money with low interest rates and no fees should always be done if you can get a better rate investing it. How do you think your 401k makes money? "

John wrote on Jul 30, 2007 5:30 PM:

" Please Mr. and Mrs. Politician make our decisions for us stupid working folk. We aren't smart enough to do it ourselves. Is anybody else sick of politicians wanting to restrict our decision making for "our own good"? "

PLEASE!!!!! wrote on Jul 30, 2007 4:48 PM:

" THE THING THAT KILLS ME IS THAT IF YOU READ THE ARTICLES FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE USED PAYDAY LOAN SERVICES AND SPEAK ABOUT HOW WE HARRASS THEM AT WORK AND THEIR CO-WORKERS AND FAMILY AND FRIENDS, WHY DON'T YOU BE HONEST ABOUT IT. THERE ARE GUIDELINES THAT HAVE TO BE FOLLOWED AND IF YOU HAD COME IN WHEN THE LOAN WAS DUE, NONE OF YOUR CO-WORKERS OR FRIENDS/FAMILY MEMBERS WOULD HAVE BEEN CALLED. YOU'RE ALWAYS WILLING TO BLAME THE COMPANY WHEN YOU ALL KNOW FOR A FACT YOU HAD NO INTENSION PAYING THE MONEY BACK. THESE PEOPLE HAVE A JOB TO DO AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, DO YOU THINK THEY LIKE TO HAVE TO CALL YOU 2-4 TIMES A DAY? SOUNDS A LITTLE MENOTNOUS TO ME. IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE INTEREST RATES THEY CHARGE, DON'T BORROW THE MONEY (DUH). "

ant-anti- payday loan catholic wrote on Jul 30, 2007 3:52 PM:

" As much as I respect Deacon Sage' work on behalf of the poor, I would argue that the payday loan stores are doing a better job of serving the poor than many of their critics. What the poor need is money, not lectures, and at least payday loan stores give it to them. If everyone reading this would give their less well off friends and family help without asking maybe payday loan stores would go away. Until then, keep your money and don't be surprised these stores exist. "

Sideline; wrote on Jul 30, 2007 12:48 PM:

" The I know what is best for everyone crowd is truely a wonder to behold. How easy to put each individual into a common mold. Implying that individuals who use these places lack common sense, and generaly tend to make less money. If the banks are so concerned, then why don't they, with all of their capabilities set up a small money lending division? It is most likely because they do not or cannot take the high risk and administrative costs involved in relation to the return on equity. Instead of the righteous screaming for the government to shut down these lenders, would it not make more sense and be more humane to demand the legistlators set up and work with businesses to create a system whereby these individuals could procure small loans at a fair rate? "

Jeff wrote on Jul 30, 2007 12:33 PM:

" what a load of whiners. We are talking about a financial transaction between two grown adults. No consumer is forced to take a lona at any terms. I don't like the terms of my credit card, I shouldn't use and yet I do. I don't need government stepping in to save me from making a less than perfect financial choice. Grow up and leave us all alone. "

Patriot to Usery wrote on Jul 30, 2007 12:13 PM:

" So you rewarded them calling YOU by paying off your son's debt? Hmm... could that be why they call mommy and daddy of adults? Why didn't you instead go after them for violating the fair debt and collections practices laws if you feel it was? "

Dave Ramsey Fan wrote on Jul 30, 2007 9:42 AM:

" If you can't live on the money you make, you need to spend less. Borrowing at any interest rate is foolish. http://www.gazelle-intensity.com/index.html or just search out Dave Ramsey for real help with your money..... "

Lynz wrote on Jul 30, 2007 9:05 AM:

" Members of CFSA are required to follow best practices, including: ban on certain advertising; limit on rollovers; and starting tomorrow, offering an extended payment plan to any customer who cannot pay back the loan when due. This plan will be offered at no additional charge. The article falsely states that 13 states have “banned” payday loans. Not a single state has even seriously considered banning payday loans. In states where storefront payday loans are not offered, it is because they operate under rate cap laws dating back decades (and centuries in some cases). These caps were intended for annual credit products and do not allow for short term credit products to be offered at a profit. "

Re:Shut Em Down wrote on Jul 29, 2007 11:49 PM:

" It's not the governments job to babysit and hold hands. If you stupid enough to do business with someone like this, you deserve whats coming. We shouldn't shut them don't via the government. We should shut them down due to lack of business. What we need to less government control. You must be a liberal! "

Former employee of one of these places wrote on Jul 29, 2007 11:16 PM:

" I used to work for one of these places. I hated doing all the collection calls, but it was part of my job. I would NEVER recommend to anyone to go to any places like these. Find a friend or family to borrow from, if you need to. "

Really Darwin wrote on Jul 29, 2007 7:43 PM:

" I usually post as Darwin - and find these "stores" repugnant and predatory. "

Re to Call it what it is. wrote on Jul 29, 2007 6:02 PM:

" When i said 5.00 a hundred I was refering to that is what the BAR charges me NOT the predatory lender companies but you are correct at the 22.00 a hundred quote but that is per 2 weeks also and racks up pretty quick on a 1000.00 loan especially if you roll it over like most do at least once around tax time. "

Term wrote on Jul 29, 2007 6:00 PM:

" These people are right up there with whole life insurance agents............ "

Did you notice? wrote on Jul 29, 2007 5:01 PM:

" The payday loan places came to Wisconsin shortly after the compacts with the Indian tribes allowing casino style gambling? "

Working Class LaX Resident wrote on Jul 29, 2007 3:14 PM:

" I have had received rental assistance and/or bus tokens from Catholic Charities, Couleecap, the Cathedral, and Cornerstone church. I am grateful for their help in my time of need. As mentioned already, payday lenders are for people who understand their terms and can immediately pay it back. And then start responsibly eliminating unnecessary costs (in my case, cigarettes) and SAVING for future rainy days. A big thank you to the author who mentioned www.prosper.com... I just checked out that site and am impressed with the whole concept. "

kayoz wrote on Jul 29, 2007 2:19 PM:

" Our modern capitalist social set that we curantly believe in is set up so you CANNOT get ahead with the ammount of money most of the population has the abbility to get their hands on. Unless you take out a loan, get a credit card or inherit some money it is not as easy to get ahead as we are led to believe. If you are lucky enough to work in the line of work that coincides with your life's road then good for you, i hope it works out for you.Just watch out where you get your help from. "

Shut Em Down wrote on Jul 29, 2007 1:50 PM:

" These places are terrible. I have never taken a loan out from them and never will but I do know someone that did. They were going to lose their car over 300.00 owed to one of these places. I helped them out by taking the money down to pay this off and got the key and title to the car. When I saw their sign hanging on the wall breaking out their interest rates, I told them that it should be illegal to charge that %. You could get better rates from loan sharks. These places are scum and should absolutely be shut down. They definitely prey on desparate people at desparate times in their lives. Come on Mr. Mayor, do something about these places or don't you care? "

Re: Predators wrote on Jul 29, 2007 1:44 PM:

" What people are "weakening the herd"? Poor people? "

To: Predators wrote on Jul 29, 2007 1:18 PM:

" You are correct in one sense, but incorrect in another. Usually when you pick off the weak in a herd, you strengthen the herd as a whole. These people are weakening the entire herd. "

Predators wrote on Jul 29, 2007 12:22 PM:

" Payday loan shops are hyenas in the American economic wilderness. While banks can be like lions and feed on the strong members of the herd, the hyenas pick off the weak, sickly, and dying ones. The Law of The Jungle lives on..... "

on-line co-op loans wrote on Jul 29, 2007 12:12 PM:

" Check out http://www.prosper.com/ as a place you can use or invest in. 20+% sounds bad for poor credit but that's per year and not 20% for two weeks. There is a way for you to make money off the poor and cut the cost for them at the same time. "

A Few Limits wrote on Jul 29, 2007 11:29 AM:

" Here in Oregon they recently passed a law capping the interest on "title loans" at 36%. Several national companies moved out - claiming they have too many defaults to make ends meet at 36%. Many companies stayed. Why a company loses money on a title loans escapes me. It is secured with a car title, after all. In any event, let them operate, but clamp down on the maximum permissible APR. 500+ percent is unconscienceable. Cap the unsecured loans too. Allow a flat (capped) administration fee for those. "

Scrooge wrote on Jul 29, 2007 11:22 AM:

" Coomin soon to an area near you. 'Scrooge's Loans for Broken Bones.' "

these businesses create jobs... wrote on Jul 29, 2007 10:59 AM:

" isn't that the mantra the politicians use nowdays? someone has to man these stores, that means jobs. and if i recall correctly there was a story about a debt collection service opening shop in LaCrosse, with the prospect of creating over 300 jobs. plus these stores pay property amd income taxes too. it may be a sign of a declining city when these places start popping up, but most cities don't care, it's leaders just want jobs so they can tell you how good a job they are doing on election day. right Mr J? "

Story Title wrote on Jul 29, 2007 10:56 AM:

" I hope that the title of the article was a rhetorical question. It doesn't take a rocket scientist, or even, (ghast)a reporter, to figure out that this entire industry is a parasite on society that preys on those that need help the most. "

To: "call it what it is" wrote on Jul 29, 2007 10:55 AM:

" you have it partially right, it is legal loan sharking. But it isn't 5.00 for every hundred it is 22.00 for every hundred. I had the misfortune to work in one of these places and felt horrible for every loan I wrote. Eventually it made me quit. There are people that you would never think would have to resort to this type of loan but they are few and far between. The majority are people that will be hooked on the interest payments until tax time. The money these companies make is crazy but nobody is breaking the clients arm to come in and take the loan. They will continue to thrive until the market runs out for them. "

Heartless wrote on Jul 29, 2007 10:54 AM:

" These places are moral enough to stay in La Crosse, yet a casino would tear the very moral fabric from the citizens? "

We're on our own? wrote on Jul 29, 2007 10:41 AM:

" “We’re a do-nothing Legislature,” he said. “We hardly ever even meet." What? This is what WI legislature has to say about imposing regulations on payday loan lenders? They target the poor and they should be regulated just as they are in other states where they haven't already been banned altogether. Good for the V.P. of State Bank, Wayne Oliver, for putting some thought into some alternative solutions to help ourselves. We certainly need some ideas. "

Help_Now wrote on Jul 29, 2007 9:30 AM:

" In too deep? Believe it or not, Catholic Charities (in the phone book) has helped all kinds of people with gas chits, scrip for food and FREE debt counseling. They offer a lot of stuff for free that other places charge for. You don't have to be Catholic, either. Before you sign away your car or do something stupid like that, call them. They contact your creditors and work out deals for you. And don't forget the food banks like WAFER. That's what they are there for, to help you if you get in a jam. "

Re: you know me? wrote on Jul 29, 2007 9:25 AM:

" Did you put me down as a reference? If you'd had- I'd know you! Seriously, I know exactly what you mean. Even one day after your payment is due, you & everyone you put down will be called several times in one day. One of them called my mom, my mom spoke to them and they kept calling again and again the same day! CFSA best practices (the governing agency behind only AFFILIATED payday loan places) regulates some of their collection efforts, but not many places go by CFSA and the consumer has to know their rights to enforce them at the places that do. "

Who else will make loans? wrote on Jul 29, 2007 9:16 AM:

" I don't see Catholic Charities making any loans, but then I don't see them paying taxes either "

Krusty wrote on Jul 29, 2007 9:11 AM:

" Here's an idea...The poor can use these payday lenders to pay for their dental bill. "Payday Lender" is a bad choice for the name, most poor people don't know what a "payday" is. "

Poor Me wrote on Jul 29, 2007 9:06 AM:

" If you are foolish enough to go and get one of these loans and not pay it back, then why wouldn't they have the right to pursue you to get payment? Go to a bank and get a loan....they want to be paid back, too, just like these places. Don't go and get a loan and no one will be after your car, money or anything else you own. Maybe these stores should put signs up on their doors that say "If you get a loan from us, we do expect you to pay it back, plus interest." No one lends out money for free.....everyone should know that by now. "

What? wrote on Jul 29, 2007 9:03 AM:

" Some payday loan places are better than others. One place in particular, I was due on a Friday one week and wasn't going to be able to make it in until Saturday. I called, came in the next day and rolled the loan over. Only to find out three days later, that they had deposited my check Friday, despite having called. I had multiple overdrafts with my bank, returned checks and fees. It took me over a month to finally straighten it all out. They told me they had "too many customers" and it was "hard to keep track of everyone". What did they do for me? Gave me an "interest-free" payday loan. Free for two weeks? Thanks! "

Hopeless wrote on Jul 29, 2007 9:03 AM:

" You don't have to be poor or undereducated to use these places. Sometimes you just do it out of sheer desperation, knowing darn well what you are getting into. With gas over $3 a gallon and milk and other groceries sky high, sometimes it's hard to get by until the next check. If your income doesn't go up to match the cost of living, you're out of luck most of the time. "

USUARY wrote on Jul 29, 2007 8:59 AM:

" Most states do have a law against outrageous interest rates, most have a cap of 15-20%. My son got a title loan when he was in college and was late with a payment one month, the title loan place started calling me all hours of the day and night. They also gave me all the information on his account, which is totally illegal. The regular interest rate on the loan was 30%, when they told me that I hit the roof and told them I could get better rates with the mofia. I went down to the north side of LaCrosse and paid it off, that way I gave them a piece of my mind while I was there. The supervisor tried to tell me how great their business is by giving money to people who couldn't get it elsewhere! Please don't help me. "

Bars? wrote on Jul 29, 2007 8:47 AM:

" How is it that any subject on this site is somehow twisted into a discussion of the bars? Let it go already!!! "

Thanks Tommy Thompson wrote on Jul 29, 2007 8:37 AM:

" The payday loan companies contributed big money to Tommy and his Republican cronies in the 1990s in order to get their loan sharking legalized in Wisconsin. So far, the Democrats have rolled over to allow this predatory lending to continue. BAN THEM ALL NOW! "

Some payday loan places wrote on Jul 29, 2007 8:23 AM:

" Some payday loan places are better than others. One place in particular, I was due on a Friday one week and wasn't going to be able to make it in until Saturday. I called, came in the next day and rolled the loan over. Only to find out three days later, that they had deposited my check Friday, despite having called. I had multiple overdrafts with my bank, returned checks and fees. It took me over a month to finally straighten it all out. They told me they had "too many customers" and it was "hard to keep track of everyone". What did they do for me? Gave me an "interest-free" payday loan. Free for two weeks? Thanks! "

One who was desperate! part 2 wrote on Jul 29, 2007 8:18 AM:

" It seems to me that the state is more worried about losing it's revenue of $268,000 than about the poorer people of this state having their lives ruined by these payday loan places. (You may think that we recklessly spend our money but that is not always the case - the cost of EVERYTHING has gone up and even with cutting as many corners as we can there still isn't enough to cover unexpected costs.) The people of the government don't worry about it because they have plenty of money and don't need to resort to using such a place. A word to them: Start taking poorer people into consideration - we vote, too! "

One who was desperate! part 1 wrote on Jul 29, 2007 8:17 AM:

" I'm on SSI for various disabilities and foolishly got caught in one of these for a few months. (I only get $754 a month to live on and NO food stamps - try living on that nowadays!) I swore NEVER again. But then, a couple years later, there was one online and now I am PAYING for it. I do hope I have finally learned my lesson. These places are legal LOAN SHARKS. The state NEEDS to pass a law capping the percentage - I agree with no more than 24 percent. "

Re Call it what it is. wrote on Jul 29, 2007 8:09 AM:

" Thats right Bars have more respect for there customers than payday lenders do and if you dont repay them they CUT YOU OFF untill you do! They dont extend the terms and keep you broke. Weve come along way away from the FAMILY? I dont think so I remeber when unions ruled alcohol flowed and people could afford all the pleasures of life and buy property run farms ect. Now you have to choose an addiction you can afford? "

Call it wat it is? wrote on Jul 29, 2007 8:03 AM:

" Legal loan sharking!They prey on the poor and addicted and provide no valuable service. I know bar owners who will borrow you money at 5.00 a hundred just so you can give it back to them with a few drinks and then go get food for your family gas ect to get to work. They dont take your car your paycheck with absorbant fees. So whats more ethical here being a patron drunk of a bar and being able to get by on that or going to a legal loan shark and being entrapt in a vicious cycle? "

Don't become trapped wrote on Jul 29, 2007 7:58 AM:

" As a lower-class consumer of payday loans, I have fallen into the same trap that they described above- taking out one payday loan to payoff the finance charge on another and "make it another two weeks." It only takes one irresponsbile loan agreement and suddenly your entire paycheck is being swallowed by your finance charges. For those of us living paycheck to paycheck, it's difficult to keep a security blanket as an alternative recovery solution when you find yourself in a pinch. Don't become trapped! "

Totally disabled. Now I have NO CAR ( it was nice) wrote on Jul 29, 2007 7:56 AM:

" They took my car for being 60 days late on my 285.00 loan after the 15.00 check fee they deducted.They took me to court and repoed it without even trying to work with me outside of extending my loan with up front money almost as much as I owed. Because of a banking problem from moving and direct deposit I couldnt pay it until the funds became available outside the default period.They said today or court tommorow PERIOD. Once repoed they wanted 1500.00 to get it back?? Nice HUH? "

Banned in 13 states.... AsK Why? wrote on Jul 29, 2007 7:48 AM:

" They are bottom feeders with predatory lending practices disquised as Santa Clause untill they wamp up there predatory collection MACHINE and show there devil horns. Most of the 13 states that banned them are in the south or have active military bases. They just pack up and move to another state costing taxpayers millions in legislating them out of business dragging it out while jumping through legal loop holes like using offshore banks ect..SHUT EM DOWN!..WE DID! "

You know me? wrote on Jul 29, 2007 7:40 AM:

" Get in the ring people and be realistic here. These are predatores and if you think Im wrong just dont pay them and see what happens. They will call your work, friends (thats why they want so many contact numbers) and they will harass your employers friends room mates ect. I know because I fell on hard times as one of those customers they stated they like so well and couldnt pay. They took my only car and sued me up and down. "

New Resident wrote on Jul 29, 2007 7:25 AM:

" I'm a new WI resident. There are loop holes to allow fireworks that kill to be bought on the street and lending practices allowed that make the Mafia loan sharking pale in comparison. Not proud yet to be in the Badger State. "

500% loans are unethical. wrote on Jul 29, 2007 7:14 AM:

" This is another case of the sophisticated in this society taking advantage of the innumerate, people who do not understand numbers. Just like the sub-prime mortgage fiasco that has had people overpaying for houses, this is fraudulent and evil to knowingly take advantage of somebody who does not know better. "

Darwin wrote on Jul 29, 2007 6:52 AM:

" I have no problem with these Payday loan places. No-one is forced to go there, and a fool and his money should be seperated. "

interesting wrote on Jul 29, 2007 1:32 AM:

" we need to enact laws to close these places up- thet're discusting. "

amazing... wrote on Jul 29, 2007 12:31 AM:

" the headline of this story is a question? these loans are legalized loan sharking, i think you could get a much better 'rate' from the Gambino family. the sad thing is you can tell how an area is doing by the number of these outfits that spring up. they do tend to prey on the poor and uneducated. and i have noticed quite a few springing up in the City of LaCrosse over the last couple of years. that's a pretty ominus sign. "

Paladin wrote on Jul 29, 2007 12:03 AM:

" They ought to be banned. "

Fred wrote on Jul 28, 2007 11:46 PM:

" Never used but man are all the stores ugly! "


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