Vernon County Native wrote on Jul 30, 2007 12:33 PM:
" Vernon County, much like our neighboring counties, was first dedicated to raising sustenance for one or two families. Now each farmer is raising sustenance for one or two hundred families. In another hundred years, each farmer will be raising sustenance for one or two thousand families. I am neither a farmer or live in the country. I live in a small Vernon County town. This migration to larger farming operations here and across the nation is necessary for supporting our growing population. Be thankful for the farmers that are continuing to raise crops/cattle to support the rest of us. Selling out to the true "land-grabbers" to build houses on pristine farmland is not scenic and shouldn't smell good. You build a house in farm country, you should know about tractors, machinery, cattle, odors, crop rotations, etc... Keep urban sprawl out of the country. "
To: Pork Producers Annonymous wrote on Jul 29, 2007 11:55 PM:
" When Retreat gets big enough to have its own zip code, maybe the Parr's operation will be in Retreat instead of Ferryville. Get on the bandwagon! Part of Retreat has a Ferryville address. You can have a Ferryville address and live over 10 miles away!! Do I need to get anymore specific???? OK - - The Parr's live in Retreat and their address is Ferryville. They are building a barn on their own farm in Retreat and it will have a Ferryville address. That is the way things work "in the country." "
These large farms are actually a land grab. wrote on Jul 29, 2007 10:53 PM:
" They bring in too much livestock for the space, drive down the living conditions and values for their neighbors, buy their land at a discount. It's not right and it should be stopped. "
To P.P.A. wrote on Jul 29, 2007 10:13 PM:
" If you knew anything about this you would of seen one of the many set back maps that have been presented at many local meetings. The Parr's house is about 600 feet from the proposed barn. Their house is the closest. If you know the area you would know that this is the farm that they live at. They own other property and they are going to build it in their own back yard. If you knew anything about the area that the Ferryville and DeSoto mail addresses meet in Retreat. Maybe you should double check your info before you speak. Also, it has been stated that the Parrs have followed the set backs set by the state and the proposed county ordinances. "
Re: Here we go again wrote on Jul 29, 2007 9:09 PM:
" Oh that's it -- go ahead and call people ignorant because they don't want the unbelievable stench of a hog farm next to them. This isn't your grandfather's farm, when everyone had a few cows, a few hogs, and a few chickens. We're talking a massive corporate operation which will affect people for many miles around, who also happen to own property. Have they no right to be able to even breathe normal fresh air?? What if someone in the middle of a residential neighbor decided to open up a mechanic shop and parts store. "It's my property and I can do what I want to with it" wouldn't fly, now would it. (And it probably wouldn't even stink!) "
Pork producers anonymous wrote on Jul 29, 2007 4:46 PM:
" The only people who want these farms are those who will profit from them. Find me one person who wants to have a factory, confinement hog feeding operation as their neighbor who won't profit off it. If the Parrs want this so bad, why don't they build it right next to their house in Ferryville, instead of next to other peoples' houses near Retreat?
NIMBY -- That's exactly what the Parrs are saying. They want to profit off this, but it isn't being built where they live, is it? "
to:oz wrote on Jul 29, 2007 12:52 PM:
" ah, the old 'common good' argument. who's 'common good' do you speak of? the 'common good' of the people who live nearby or the 'common good' on the many more people who benefit from increased food supplies, 100's and even 1000's of miles away? using your Marxist logic, it's for the 'common good' of the many that overrides the 'common good' of the few. your NIMBY (not in my backyard) argument wears very thin if you truly beleive in the 'common good'. "
oz wrote on Jul 29, 2007 11:47 AM:
" The "free market" conservatives seem to forget about the "common good." Anyone who thinks a factory hog farm is a "good idea" should invite such an operation to set up next door and upwind. Maybe they'll think differently when the excrement of thousands of pigs is fouling their air and running into their well. "
rich farmers? wrote on Jul 29, 2007 11:42 AM:
" We have been farming for about 30 years now. We stopped milking cows due to a barn fire. We still grow crops steers. When we were still milking, prices were the same for our milk than they were 30 years ago. Machiney prices had sky rocketed along with fuel and other expenses. CONSUMERS are benefiting from farm subsidies. If supply and demand would run the market, maybe the farmers would make money. You can't sell corn for $2.00/bushel and make a profit. Maybe you would like all the famers to go out of business and take care of yourself for a change. If we're going to subsidize, let's do it for those people who farm full time for a living, not the movie stars, pro sports players, etc. Don't tell me what to do with my farmland and I won't tell you what to do with your property. "
To: here we go again... wrote on Jul 29, 2007 11:26 AM:
" You should be admired for you conformity, if nothing else. "
confused wrote on Jul 29, 2007 10:46 AM:
" I thought the state of Wisconsin had set guidelines. Does this group of opposition think they can override what the state has decided? Do they also want to limit the establishment of new business in town or the growth of those businesses already established? Are they going to kick Walmart out too? Limit them to 500 units??? Seems to me that fair is fair.... "
here we go again... wrote on Jul 29, 2007 8:54 AM:
" another example of one group telling someone how they should run their business. when did we get to this point in this country where other people can tell you how big or successful you can become? is this just a case of jealousy or just plain ignorance? just think, if your in the group against larger farming, and someday you become successful, how fast do you think it will take for your 'buddies' in the group to turn on you? "
This would not be a problem if Kind's farm bill had gone through. wrote on Jul 29, 2007 7:17 AM:
" With 15% of the farmers taking 95% of the farm subsidies, we need to quit subsidizing the corporate and millionaire farmers. "
rprp wrote on Jul 29, 2007 5:48 AM:
" The governments in Wisconsin both local and state is controled by farmers and the farmers has been getting whatever they want for some years now so I can imagine who will win this debate. "
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