kamikazefaase wrote on Aug 21, 2007 3:43 AM:
" When will we get it straight. The GOP has been in charge for the last three decades whether it has been the governor's mansion or one to both houses of our legislature. Their goal has been to strangle government for being able to enforce any law or budget passed. When will they too stop raiding the transportation funds to pay for other unpaid expenditures? In other words, when will they get their priorities straight? Stop playing games with our infrastructure funds and giving out breaks to companies like Democrats do the poor. Clean it up and determine which programs should go for lack of funding. "
To 2:38 pm poster wrote on Aug 13, 2007 9:51 PM:
" My offer still stands about posting Rush Limbaugh's lies... "
Follow up to 2:38 wrote on Aug 13, 2007 9:49 PM:
" For the record:Hillary said there was a right wing conspiracy regarding the smear campaign brought on by the Republicans.That was and is true.I hope you think the @80 million dollars the Republicans spent on it was worth it.Clinton left office with an 65% approval rating.That means he left office with EVERYONE in the country supporting him EXCEPT Republicans.Besides, I would take Clinton's lie over Rush Limbaugh's or George W Bush's any day... "
To 2:26 pm poster wrote on Aug 13, 2007 9:41 PM:
" There you go again.Defend Rush Limbaugh all you want and rationalize it anyway you can. The guy is a daily liar on his show and by your recent comments I'll bet you listen to him WAY more than you claim.Your comment "Rush says" is indicative of that.That would be a lie too wouldn't it?Your second sentence says YOU are filled with hate and then you go on implying I am the one.You can't even get your story straight.Too bad your STILL preoccupied with Clinton's zipper.Your anger is only going to leave you with a life of disappointment.Hillary forgave her husband and he also asked for forgiveness from God.Why can't YOU forgive? "
I lied. I have 2 additonal thoughts wrote on Aug 13, 2007 2:38 PM:
" Chris Wallace himself has called himself a Democrat so take it up with him if you think he is lying to you. Because I believe the Clintons have/had credibility issues, I am filled with hate. Bill Clinton perjured himself under oath and was sanctioned for it not to mention his numerous misleading statements to the nation. Hillary went on TV and claimed the allegations of Bill's affair were all a right wing conspiracy and were false which obviously ended up not being true. However, you are calling Rush a liar based on his opinions? I think it is clear who is filled with hate. "
Re: To 2:19 am poster wrote on Aug 13, 2007 2:26 PM:
" I like the way you think. Based on your definition, I can call you a liar. You are intentionally misleading the readers with your opinions. Anyone I disagree with, I can now just call them a liar. Brilliant!! As Rush says, "don't argue with an idiot. After a while others can't tell whom the idiot is." So with this last comment from me, you are free to have the last word. Even stating facts incorrectly is not a lie unless you do it knowing they are not true. To be a lie, Rush would have to be giving an opinion that is not his and claiming it to be his opinion. "
To 2:19 am poster wrote on Aug 12, 2007 10:10 AM:
" One more thing... Your opinion CAN be a lie and you know it.Rush Limbaugh deliberately misleads people with his "opinions" and that's the same as lying.A lie is a lie.I don't often give advice without someone asking, but, If I could offer you anything it would be to look for the truth within yourself and not get it from someone like Limbaugh.There's something to be said for Reason as well as Faith. "
To "b" the 2:11 & 2:19 am Limbaugh supporter wrote on Aug 12, 2007 9:48 AM:
" Your working yourself up into a lather for nothing.First of all, Chris Wallace IS NOT a Democrat.Second:You don't want me to post Rush's lies because you know I can.Third:According to you everybody else tells lies but Rush.Fourth:I don't dismiss "everybody" I disagree with as a Nazi.Just Rush Limbaugh because I really believe that's what he is.Fifth:Your last sentence about working harder and your comment about the Clinton's shows just how much hatred has consumed you.You really should work harder to free up more time to get out of your hate filled world.The offer stands to post some of Rush's lies any time you want... "
About Rush wrote on Aug 12, 2007 2:19 AM:
" BTW, you, like most libs, obviously have never listened to Rush. All he does is quote the mainstream media which is easily verifiable and then gives his own opinion. I typically have already read or watched the story he is referencing. I'm sure this is news to you, but you really can't lie when it's your opinion. As I mentioned previously, I would listen to him more if my scheduled allowed for it. Unfortunately, I do work for a living. I also have to work longer and harder to help pay for benefits for people like you that sit around and wait for a handout. b "
To: To 1:22 pm poster wrote on Aug 12, 2007 2:11 AM:
" Yeah you're a genius, if you consider 3 min/week listening to him. I can also say I watch Mathews, George Stephanopoulos, Russet, CNN, the major networks and not to mention reading the NY Times considerably more. Their lies could be characterized by some as nothing more than Marxist propaganda as they pose as unbiased news organizations. Even Chris Wallace on Fox identifies himself as a Dem. BTW, it also says quite a bit about you that you simply dismiss those with which you disagree as Nazi propagandists. I'm sure you believe in freedom of speech, at least for those with whom you agree, eh? Don't bother posting Rush's alleged lies. You have about as much credibility with me as the Clintons. "
To 1:22 pm poster wrote on Aug 10, 2007 9:14 PM:
" If you wait until you "see" evidence,your wasting your time with Limbaugh.He lies everyday on his show,and is darn lucky he hasn't been fired.(like Imus).If you would like a list of some of his lies I'll be glad to post them for you.In my opinion he's just a Nazi propaganda artist.You didn't have to explain that you listen to him, I had you pegged all along didn't I?If you "generally" agree with the things that man lies about, it says just as much about you as it does him... "
rick harsch to 122 wrote on Aug 10, 2007 2:45 PM:
" You've made your point, though I doubt it's the one you intended. "
Re: To Rick... 9:18 PM poster wrote on Aug 10, 2007 1:22 PM:
" My mind is made up until I see evidence to change it. Do you listen to Rush Limbaugh regularly in order to be able conclude that my views mirror his? Unfortunately I only get to listen to him about 3 minutes a week but I do generally agree with him. I'm not really sure what this has to do with the discussion as I can just as easily claim that your views are not your own but are in fact from Michael Moore, Olberman, Franken, or some other worthless lib. "
To: rick harsch wrote on Aug 10, 2007 12:55 PM:
" That's a brilliant argument. Okay. I wish you would start thinking for yourself. As someone who used to be a bleeding heart liberal, I have come to recognize liberalism as a lie. Now there are those that were conservative and have come to believe that is a lie. There are also those that were raised one way and have never stopped to consider the basis for their views. Thinking for yourself doesn't necessarily end up making you a conservative or a liberal. Most people are more complicated than that. "
To Rick wrote on Aug 9, 2007 9:18 PM:
" Nope, their minds are made up.And I still bet that mister conservative posting here listens to Rush Limbaugh everyday. I'd put money on it. "
rick harsch wrote on Aug 9, 2007 9:02 PM:
" I'd like to boot a lower quality of life, too--that's why I wish you would start thinking for yourself. "
Re: rick harsch wrote on Aug 9, 2007 5:35 PM:
" Polices and actions enacted based on your viewpoints result in millions more dying and being impoverished. We would also have less freedom and a lower quality of life to boot. "
rick harsch wrote on Aug 9, 2007 2:03 PM:
" Cheney's and Bush's different viewpoints kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people. I call that a significant difference. "
rick harsch wrote on Aug 9, 2007 12:52 PM:
" Notice how many anti-university postings are quite poorly written? "
To: To 12:42 pm poster wrote on Aug 9, 2007 11:26 AM:
" And you libs must be really obsessed with Rush Limbaugh since he has nothing to do with this discussion. In reality we have a significant philosophical difference about these programs and to what extent government should be involved. I personally don't believe the federal government should nor has any constitutional authority to be involved in any of these areas. These are all states issues, not federal, and I believe the state government should stay out or significantly reduce its involvement. Let the readers realize what we are talking about. You and the Trib are basically calling for even more socialism than we currently have. "
To: To 12:42 pm poster wrote on Aug 9, 2007 11:22 AM:
" I don't hate anyone, not even liberals. But I do pity them and you. I understand that other people have viewpoints other than my own, do you? Even though you don't believe in Satan, you compare Bush/Cheney to Satan. I hope you don't have the opportunity one day to realize the folly of that statement. In all of your liberal compassionate ways, can't you understand they have a different viewpoint than yours? Can't you consider the possibility that they may have it right on their policies and that you are wrong? "
To 12:42 pm poster wrote on Aug 9, 2007 7:02 AM:
" Not quite bucko.The government shouldn't be allowed to run "everything". They should however,be involved and are involved in all of the things this article talks about.The reason most of these areas are becoming shortchanged, IS because of Bush's war.Just where do you think more and more of the Federal dollars are going?YOU need to get over your Rush Limbaugh liberal hating ways and understand people have other viewpoints than your's.By the way,I don't believe in Satan but if I did Bush would be the closest person to him right after Dick Cheney.Get a grip on that! "
To: To Wow What Lies wrote on Aug 8, 2007 12:42 PM:
" Get a grip. Bush is not Satan. We are talking about state budgets here not federal budgets. The war has almost nothing to do with this. Besides, I would bet 10:1 that you are not generally a proponent of lower taxes and that you typically have no problem with the government spending billions on your socialist programs. In fact you most likely would like government to run everything and then pay us what they determine is a fair wage. "
To kill the UW wrote on Aug 8, 2007 6:55 AM:
" It sounds like you need to get an education! "
kill the UW wrote on Aug 7, 2007 10:32 PM:
" It has outlived it's usefulness, all it is now is a collossal waste of tax-payer money. "
To Wow What Lies wrote on Aug 7, 2007 10:26 PM:
" Your taxes AND everything else are going up because of George W Bush's war in Iraq.Our country is worse off because of him not Doyle so don't even try to confuse the facts.He is spending BILLIONS of dollars on his bloody quagmire over there not to mention all of the lost lives.ALL states are suffering because of this.Tell us all which states are better off than our's and then tell us all why... "
To 6:44pm poster wrote on Aug 7, 2007 10:22 PM:
" Hey, I like Merle and I'm not just an Okie From Muskogee either... "
To: 11:11 am wrote on Aug 7, 2007 6:46 PM:
" Let's all just think happy thoughts. Maybe the sun will come up tomorrow. "
To: rickharsch to 1146 wrote on Aug 7, 2007 6:44 PM:
" Rick, do you listen to Merle Haggard? Come clean. "
With all the increases in local schools wrote on Aug 7, 2007 6:09 PM:
" WHY ARE THE TEACHERS NOT TEACHING BETTER?
Why does the university need more money when tuition goes up every year? Local Governments has raised taxes for years so why would the state need to pay them more? WHY ARE ALL THE TAXES GOING UP BUT NO-ONE IS GETTING ANY MONEY THIS IS ALL LIES AND DISTORTIONS "
WOW WHAT LIES wrote on Aug 7, 2007 5:45 PM:
" First off since DOYLE has been in office everything in this state has gone up in price, FEES have went way up. Registrations are up and TAXES ARE UP. PLUS LOCAL TAXES ARE UP property TAXES ARE UP. So where the heck is the money going. IT'S ABOUT TIME FOR ACCOUNTABILITY. There is no way that the University system has taken a cut that is an outrageous LIE. TAXES WAY UP TUITION IS UP EVERY YEAR and were to believe the University is getting less money I would love to see the paper work on this LIE "
TRIBUNES DOUBLE STANDARD! wrote on Aug 7, 2007 5:36 PM:
" Its very interesting how you like to use percentages when pimping for your favorite sucklings. The facts are that while percentages are down actual dollars recieved are up! When we who favor cutting budgets, 'say if you dont know what to cut,' cut by a certain percentage, you whine that isnt fair! "
rickharsch to 1146 wrote on Aug 7, 2007 2:11 PM:
" HIppie oeaceniks? Go smoke a bowl? Have you escaped from a Merle Haggard song? "
The real lesson: K-12 is sucking up all the resources wrote on Aug 7, 2007 2:05 PM:
" Every time you hear Gov Doyle and the Teachers Union talk about funding education i.e. giving teachers bigger raises, better benefits, hiring more teachers....realize there is less money for higher ed and other "priorities". It always amazes me that all the UW folks and the local government leaders support the Gov and the Dems when they have pretty much laid it out that they are going to give as much as possible to the Teachers Union. The pie is only so big. "
To 11:11 wrote on Aug 7, 2007 12:17 PM:
" Hate makes the world go round, my friend. "
To: To 9:12 a.m. wrote on Aug 7, 2007 11:46 AM:
" Who are you? I thought all the hippie peaceniks were down in Venezuala kissing up to Chavez and Castro. Go smoke a bowl and pretend you live in a country that doesn't spend money on its military or this war. Then you will be happy. It should be easy since you don't live in the real world anyway. "
To: Mikey wrote on Aug 7, 2007 11:40 AM:
" Let me guess. Are you the college professor? Perhaps the socialist worker, erh, I mean social worker or lawyer? However, I agree with you regarding the value of a good education. I am right with you as well that my parents did it on 1 union income and that wasn't a high income. However, I don't believe the problem is that the UW system gets too few dollars. I believe the UW system needs to rearrange its priorities. More money is wasted at UW campuses than you can imagine. Students will always complain about tuition yet they seem to have enough "time off" to protest their favorite cause. A good percentage of students have lost my sympathy. "
UW watcher wrote on Aug 7, 2007 11:19 AM:
" Good - the university needs to be cut even more. "
To 9:12 a.m. wrote on Aug 7, 2007 11:11 AM:
" All those education, healthcare and other benefit costs are a drop in the bucket compared to the cost of this war and what is spent in the military-industrial complex. It is nothing compared to that bottomless pit of violence and intimidation...and what do we get for all that moeny: hatred around the world! Time for a big change! "
TO: re rprp wrote on Aug 7, 2007 10:56 AM:
" The farmers are not all 500 acre spreads. If it were so the problems would not have evolved in the wrong direction as they have. BTW, anytime your relative wants to sell 'any' of his land at $2000 per acres have him call me. -Nestor "
There the Trib goes again...did Steve or Jim Doyle write this? wrote on Aug 7, 2007 10:55 AM:
" Winners and losers??? How about the taxpayers? We are the losers. When did it become the burden of the taxpayers to help educate tomorrow's Democrats in the University System? Why are taxpayers in LaCrosse paying for the poor decisions the cities of Milwaukee and Racine have made? Shared Revenue that all the local government types complain about not getting enough of is simply socialism. Tax us less and we in LaCrosse will pay for our services in LaCrosse. "
Percentages vs. Total Dollars wrote on Aug 7, 2007 10:47 AM:
" Just remember that the budget has increased to 3x what it was in 1987. 5% of 3 is more than 10% of 1. Even the ones that have seen "cuts" have gotten nice increases in actual dollars. This whole article is baloney. "
re rprp wrote on Aug 7, 2007 9:18 AM:
" You must be a business owner. To blame the shifting taxes on farmers is incredably stupid. My father-in-law farms 500 acres. If he is to be taxed like you want then all his land could be developed and so should be taxed as such. So his land is worth 5000.00 to 10000 an acre compared to 2000.00 an acre for what its doing now. Raising crops. He pays 10,000 a year on taxes for his farm. I guess thats not enouph for the poor businesses in this state. Harley Davidson payed less tax than my father in law and made billions more in revenue. Its so pathetic to say our farmers are screwing us. "
TO: To the elephant in the room....... wrote on Aug 7, 2007 9:12 AM:
" Answer me this. How about we use private sector 'comparables' when we negotiate with government unions. How about we turn back retirement contributions to the original intended employee/employer split. They still would have contributed than the private sector worker. Do you have any idea how much that would save us? Then we could talk about an almost extinct benefit in the private sector, 'post early retirement helath coverage' from 55-65? How about an answer on that! It has been going on much longer than the war? Do you realize how much money is encompassed here? Or, maybe you have a government job? "
"In a nutshell" wrote on Aug 7, 2007 9:07 AM:
" Oh boy the omniscient Tribune recapping once again for us serfs. Here is the fix, are you listening? When we allow the unions to use 'comparables' when negotiating future contracts we might add the private sector counterparts. Then when we print Chancellors pay we might add that he receives another $17k for 'housing allowance'?, and when we print the Superintendent's pay we might add that he receives another inexplicable $10k plus for another retirment annuity on top of his already bloated 'comparable' 11.7% contribution. "
rprp wrote on Aug 7, 2007 8:24 AM:
" One comment says the shift from corporate tax to individuals is hugh. I think your wrong. the hugh shift from farmers to individuals has been hugh in all categories of taxes. This is the most unfair state in the union when it comes to taxation and who pays the bills. "
The elephant in the room... wrote on Aug 7, 2007 8:24 AM:
" Billions every week for a war without end! Not to mention the lives lost! It's an outrage!!!
Expect more I35W bridge collapses (Tim Pawlenty has the gall to state that he was thinking about changing his mind on highway funding a couple weeks before the collapse!) and an increase in crime while kids cannot afford college, corporations send jobs overseas, health care cost go up, health insurance availability goes down, etc., etc. Yep, the Bushies and GOP are doing a heck of a job! "
Mikey wrote on Aug 7, 2007 7:45 AM:
" In an earlier story or editorial there was a quote something like, "over the last 25 years, the UW system has gone from state funded to state supported to state located." Access to higher education by working class was one of the hallmarks of the post WWII notions of eliminating class barriers. It worked - my dad was a welder and my mom was a homemaker and later worked in payroll for the county. All five kids went to college - an MD, a lawyer, a professor, a business owner, and a social worker from a family for the most part living on one union income. Try that today. "
Entitlement programs win again! wrote on Aug 7, 2007 7:33 AM:
" Forgoe the infrastructure - let the bridges and the roads crumble! But make sure we get welfare paid for! 90% of government is local and the revenues have dropped from 15% to 7%? No wonder cities have to tax people so much - they don't get any of the tax revenues back from the state! "
We should also talk about revenue priorities wrote on Aug 7, 2007 6:45 AM:
" and how these have grossly shifted from the corporate tax to the individual over the last 20 years. Maybe if business paid more like they used to, we'd have more. And BTW, don't tell me the myth about their taxes being higher than other states. It's another Republican myth, like raising the minimum wage causes massive job loss. "
Transportation wrote on Aug 7, 2007 6:35 AM:
" What about the governor taking money from highways to pay for social services? Where are the parents? I am tired of paying for everyone's kids. I paid for mine not state and local programs. "
So what is your suggestion wrote on Aug 7, 2007 4:26 AM:
" That we pay more in taxes? good luck with that idea! "
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