Click here to view La Crosse Area Weather
Home > Opinion > Story
 Advertisement 

Published - Thursday, August 16, 2007

POST COMMENT | READ COMMENTS (12 comment(s))

Seeking a middle ground for Emergency Medical Dispatch


.
It’s time for local, county and private emergency care officials to consider a compromise in a proposal to provide emergency information to people who call for ambulances.

Here’s the background: When people call 911 for emergency medical services, the dispatcher gets basic information and sends out an ambulance or whatever level of care is appropriate.
But what La Crosse County’s Public Safety Communication system does not have is the ability to stay on the line with the caller and provide basic medical instruction until the help arrives on the scene.

Tri-State Ambulance, which is owned by Gundersen Lutheran, has offered La Crosse County an Emergency Medical Dispatch capability — the formal name for providing medical information to the caller before the ambulance arrives.

In order to do this, La Crosse County dispatchers would have to transfer the call to dispatchers at Gundersen Lutheran, who would take over from there.

That call transfer would take place after the ambulance was dispatched, but local fire and police chiefs have been opposed to Tri-State’s idea because they believe it would create delays in providing medical care and ambulance services.

The issue, which is set to be discussed today at a meeting of the County Public Safety Communications Governing Board, has been at an impasse — with Tri-State and Gundersen Lutheran offering the service at no expense to the county, and area chiefs insisting that it be provided by county employees.

Now a report written by County Emergency Services Administrator Jay Loeffler may contain the seeds of a middle ground — and a way beyond the impasse between Tri-State and local police and fire chiefs.

Loeffler suggests the possibility of using Tri-State and Gundersen Lutheran employees to provide the service until county employees can be trained and certified to take it over.

In a 13-page report, Loeffler wrote that the ideal situation would be to have the same person who takes the call also be the person to provide the emergency instruction.

But, he noted, there are two problems: The first is cost. To have county employees be able to provide the service Tri-State is proposing will cost taxpayers an estimated $100,000, with annual costs of about $5,000 a year after that. The second problem is time. It likely will take months to train county staff members to provide the service.

Loeffler believes that the ideal situation is to have the county provide the service.

“It would be more appropriate that the first person to answer the call be in a position to provide the EMD service,” Loeffler wrote. “Time is of the essence in dealing with any emergency, so transferring or conferencing the caller during a medical emergency to a different location can add valuable seconds to getting help to the patient. Much of the information obtained would need to be verified by the second dispatcher. This may be perceived by the caller as a delay in obtaining help.”

But the county needs time to get up to speed on EMD. Meanwhile, valuable assistance — including instructions about cardiopulmonary resuscitation and other life-saving techniques — would not be provided to people who call in emergencies.

In his report, Loeffler proposed having Tri-State and Gundersen Lutheran provide the service on an interim basis until La Crosse County can institute its own system.

Consider this point made by Loeffler: “It would not be accurate for us to say there is nothing more we can do until public safety responders arrive when life-saving, pre-arrival instructions are available with a transfer of a phone call.”

That makes sense. Let’s get past the turf battles and provide an EMD service sooner rather than later.
.



 Advertisement 
 Tell us what you think...

 Comments »

business as ussual in government wrote on Aug 16, 2007 4:08 PM:

" government is just doing what comes natural to them, getting in the way and making things a lot more complicated than they need to be. this seems like a no brainer, let Tri State and Gundersen do their thing. about the only thing i see where government would have a problem with it is the fact that Tri State and Gundersen would do this for free, and we all know what happens when government starts doing something, they can use it as an excuse to raise taxes, i hope this isn't what's going on here, but i have my doubts. "

EMD wrote on Aug 16, 2007 3:14 PM:

" Why should CLMC and TSA just fill the gap until the county can spend more tax payer dollars to duplicate the service. Let them do it unless it is proven that they are incapable of doing it or doing it wrong. Again, I hope the clueless will soon get a clue, and not at taxpayer expense. I am speaking of Johnsrude and all of the area fire chiefs. "

bob wrote on Aug 16, 2007 2:47 PM:

" I appreciate the Tribune's approach "tagging" this as middle ground, but repectfully disagree. This is simply the chiefs and county government getting what they want -- seems far from middle ground. But the issue above all else here is health care, and I would choose Gundersen Lutheran and Tri-State Ambulance every single time, over government, when it comes to life or death issues of health care. I appreciate the argument of having a single person handling everything, but that pails in comparison to having a better qualified person step in. An additional troublesome underlyng concern is having government take over what is being handled (or offered) perfectly, and at no cost to the taxpayers by the private sector -- professsional health care agencies, in this case. They are two seperate things, but I say NO to this, and NO to the city getting into the ambulance business. "

Here's an idea.... wrote on Aug 16, 2007 10:06 AM:

" Since the county is so unprepared to handle this service, why not ditch the county operators all together and wire dispatch straight to the Gundersen/Tri-State staff? I'm sure they can handle dispatching emergency personnel and then move straight into giving medical instruction. Cut out the unnecessary middle man and give the job to the professionals who know what they're doing. "

Please be factual... wrote on Aug 16, 2007 9:28 AM:

" You state in your article that area fire chiefs are against having Gundersen Lutheran do the EMD program. We've really only heard from two fire chiefs in La Crosse County, City of La Crosse, and City of Onalaska. What do the other fire chiefs have to say, like Holmen, Shelby, Campbell, West Salem, Bangor, or Farmington? We haven't heard from their Chiefs and I'd be suprised if any of these gentlemen let Chiefs Cleveland and Dominick speak for them. "

RE: 6:14, 6:46 wrote on Aug 16, 2007 9:22 AM:

" I think your reading the wrong article, I think this one is about EMD not the ambulances? "

Former EMS guy wrote on Aug 16, 2007 9:14 AM:

" Why does the county believe they would be better at providing EMS instruction to 911 callers than TriState and Gundersen? Are TriState and Gundersen not in the professional business of healthcare? To me its an easy answer. Let the people most suited to help out county residents do the job. Tri-State and Gundersen are not doing this to profit financially, but to do a community service to the area. The couple seconds lost in transferring a call will be offset by the ability of the EMD dispatcher to talk directly to the responding ambulance to prepare them for what they are going into. Let the real professionals provide this service instead of the politicians thinking they can once again do something better than someone else. "

Dabbling... wrote on Aug 16, 2007 9:14 AM:

" The "chiefs" seem to consider themselves worthy of being able to make decisions related to EMD and EMS but in all reality these same chiefs only dabble in EMS by way of first responder service. Why aren't our area emergency departments and medical doctors involved in such an important decision? "

Middle ground? wrote on Aug 16, 2007 8:09 AM:

" What is the controversy? As it stands, once the dispatcher sends the ambulance the "Public Safety Communication system does not have is the ability to stay on the line with the caller". What is the problem then with transferring the call to "Tri-State and Gundersen Lutheran offering the service at no expense to the county"? GL and TriState currently CAN offer the service, IF ONLY the chiefs would get their heads out of their posterior. Delay in providing care??? Right now once the ambulance is on the way, there IS NO CARE provided until the ambulance arrives. How will this delay anything? It will in fact do the opposite - of course the chiefs wont be in charge in that case. Maybe that is the issue. "

Regional La Crosse wrote on Aug 16, 2007 6:46 AM:

" I just love how La Crosse talks about the need for "regional thinking" when they want someone to take over their bus system but when it comes to ambulance service they aren't interested. "

Bucko wrote on Aug 16, 2007 6:14 AM:

" If the gov't takes a service away from a private enterprise will I then receive the service for free? When I have need of Police, Fire, Food Stamps, Summer Lunch in the Park, road repair or snowplowing in front of my house, receipt of Postal Delivery or Dog Catching, am I issued a statement of services rendered from the gov't? I would hope the same would be true if gov't takes over ambulance service. If gov't is providing service it should be free to the end user. Doesn't say in some document that the gov't supposed to provide life and happiness? "

horsewhisperer wrote on Aug 16, 2007 5:46 AM:

" Absolutely give the caller some immediate help, while trained responders are on the way. I hear comments from people who call 911 only to wait and watch their loved one get worse while they wait. Something as simple as "lay the person down and elevate their feet" could make a world of difference. Get over the 'us vs them' attitude and get everyone working toward better care to our sick and injured. "


PLEASE NOTE: Comments on stories that frequently update through the day disappear with each update.
The comments above are from readers. In no way do they represent the views of the La Crosse Tribune.

Click here to report offensive or inappropriate comments. Please identify the comment you're concerned about, the story to which the comment was attached, the date of the comment and the person who made the post.

 Post a comment (150 word limit) »

Log In - If you have already signed up with The LaCrosse Tribune, please sign in now!
Member ID:
*Password:
  Forgot Your Password?
 
Sign Up - To encourage intelligent and meaningful conversation, The LaCrosse Tribune requires all commenters to register before posting comments. It's quick, it's easy, and it's free! Just fill in the information below to get started!

**Your Member ID and password will be required to log in. Your comments will appear under your user name.

Do not use usernames or passwords from your financial accounts!

Note: Fields marked with an asterisk (*) are required!

Create a Member ID:
*Choose a password:
*Re-enter password:
E-mail Address:
Year of Birth:
 

(children under 13 cannot register)

First Name:
Last Name:
Company:
Home Phone:
Business Phone:
Address:
City:
State:
Zip Code:
 

NEWSPAPER ADS

LACROSSE JOBS

TOP HOMES

HomeSeller
Top Homes



 
 
Dailies
La Crosse Tribune
Winona Daily News

Weeklies
Coulee News
Courier Life News
The Chronicle
Houston County News
Tomah Journal
Vernon Broadcaster
Westby Times

Regional
Inside Preps
My LIVE! Entertainment
Best of River Valley
Business Report
Healthy Living Today
Strictly Golf
River Valley Bike Trails
River Valley Blogs
River Valley Outdoors

Shoppers
Tri-County Foxxy

Marketplace
Newspaper Ads
Local Website Directory
7 Rivers Rentals
HomeSeller
Wheels Website
Outdoor Motors
Work For You

Portals
La Crosse NET
Winona NET

Classifieds
River Valley Classifieds

Links
Lee Enterprises

About Us | Classifieds | Contact Us | Terms of Use | F.A.Q. | Privacy Policy | Requests | Search | RSS | Videos | Advertiser Directory | Add to My Yahoo!
Copyright © 1997 - 2008 The La Crosse Tribune. All rights reserved.
Material from this site may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or distributed. A Lee Enterprises subsidiary.