Continued wrote on Aug 21, 2007 5:25 PM:
" 3 ctd. The reason they had D2 pitchers facing D1 hitters is because of the injuries. There were only 4 pitchers left from the opening day roster on the last day (White, Erdall, Herbert, Dominick), and the only D2/D3 on the initial roster were Dominick, Ruff and Erdall.
4. Sparta didn't have their best lineup? Ha, keep fooling yourself. And yeah, I heard Don got the loss in that game, but he was still one of the best closers in the NWL in games that actually mattered. The Loggers put up one run against a team that is terrible, it was a joke to them, a showpiece for the town to enjoy and get excited for baseball, on a sand infield no less, haha, a joke. "
Clearing up some stuff wrote on Aug 21, 2007 5:20 PM:
" 1. The NWL had over 115 players drafted in this last draft, the MVL had 0.
2. "98% of the players don't go further than their college team". Are you serious? There were just over 200 players draft eligible from the league in this years draft and 118 were selected. 59% in my calculation.
3. The Loggers, and all NWL teams take players from local amateur teams sometimes because of availability. None of the pitchers picked up in the second half by the Loggers would be near the NWL if it were based in any other part of the country. That's why they are emergency players.
"
historian backer wrote on Aug 21, 2007 2:32 PM:
" MVL historian hit it right on the head. the loggers were missing players when they played sparta but they also had ben barrone. the D2 PLAYER OF THE YEAR. i think he makes up for a couple .200 hitting D1 players. sparta beat the loggers any way you look at it. im sure sparta didnt put there best team out there either. its not often a summer team has their best lineup going. and to your point about the loggers that are in the minors...there are expections to every rule...think about the hundereds of NWL players that go and become average MVL players? "
Re: you name wrote on Aug 21, 2007 1:59 PM:
" There are hundreds more. Go to northwoodsleague.com and click alumni. Do some research first. "
Management wrote on Aug 21, 2007 1:06 PM:
" Why do you have D2 pitchers facing D1 hitters? Most of the Loggers staff is D2. Granted, Erdall had a good season, but it doesn't pan out. "
MVL Historian pt 2 wrote on Aug 21, 2007 1:05 PM:
" Many MVL players are taken by NWL teams at some point during the summer. The first La Crosse Loggers team took many players from Sparta and CCV. The Sparta Game was the "World Series" for them. They flat out outplayed the Loggers. Do you think Erdall wanted to lose? He got the L that game in a save situation. They had Barrone and Check back playing in that game. Sparta just wanted it more. It was only an exhibition but it is still a game...and you shouldn't play if you are not playing to win. "
MVL Historian wrote on Aug 21, 2007 1:00 PM:
" The last time the MVL (the league CCV, Sparta, La Crosse, etc..) had guys like that, well: George Williams post major league career, Dale and John Mueller, Travis Check, Quinten Oldenburg, Andy Kreidemacher, Ben Moore. All guys that have played in the MVL and Professional baseball. Granted, they all don't play MLB right now, but most are in the minors as we speak. I guarantee the MVL could run out an All Star team and beat the Loggers on a yearly basis. The Loggers have D1 players...that will transfer to D2 or D3 due to playing time. Not a big difference. "
you name wrote on Aug 21, 2007 12:52 PM:
" the exceptions not the rules. 98 percent of all Northwoods League players dont go any farther than their college teams. "
Brian wrote on Aug 21, 2007 12:06 PM:
" I attended 2 loggers games this year. I did not hardly watch the game. It's just a reason to party and drink beer. I did not know who they played or the score. That might sound bad, but I know I am not the only one. "
Mr. Bill wrote on Aug 21, 2007 10:08 AM:
" Then in your mind what exactly is high quality baseball? This team had numerous kids get drafted, numerous kids receive all conference honors from there respective conferences - SEC, Big12, Big10, Pac10, and MVC. We had all region representatives and even conference players of the year. And you are trying to tell me that these are "average" college players? Get a clue Bill. "
Low Level Baseball? wrote on Aug 21, 2007 9:58 AM:
" I am sure that Max Scherzer, Lance Broadway, Thomas Diamond, Matt Mangini are all just another level of LOW LEVEL ballplayers. Even though they signed for millions of dollars and are represented by Scott Boras. When was the last time the CCV or any other local league had players like that? How about never!! "
Bill wrote on Aug 21, 2007 7:53 AM:
" The Northwoods league IS amateur ball! They attempt to market it like AA or A ball in the pros and that is why many people believe this Northwoods League is better than it really is. The games can be brutal to watch. anyone who says this is high quality baseball has never seen high quality baseball. The Northwoods League is summer college ball played mostly by avergae college players. "
Low level amateur wrote on Aug 21, 2007 2:30 AM:
" Yes, champs against much weaker talent. I'm sure they play or played college ball, but the reason they are playing in amateur ball, and not the Northwoods league is because they aren't good enough, or are past their prime. Stop trying to fool yourself into thinking CCV is anywhere near the Loggers. The Sparta game was a joke. Their world series vs. the Loggers goofing around with pitchers playing positions. The Northwoods league is considered the only Top Tier 1 league in the country besides the Cape Cod. The TCL, CPL and Alaskan league are all Tier 1 only. In case you were wondering, city amateur ball is considered Tier 4 (Baseball America). "
U C wrote on Aug 20, 2007 11:51 PM:
" The team was still only 17-16 when it was healthy. Having your clean up hitter or your RBI leader bunt, takes alot of fight/trust out of young players. College level will always be amateur baseball. "
Enough wrote on Aug 20, 2007 11:44 PM:
" Sparta beat the Loggers yup. Congrats to Sparta. The Loggers at that time had 9 position guys and 3 pitchers. Not a complaint just fact.
The Loggers with a full roster would have rolled Sparta. Fact. If you don't believe that then you really are living in a fantasy world and might have to be the poorest judge of baseball talent in history.
"
Chuck Olson wrote on Aug 20, 2007 1:59 PM:
" Its a college summer league. The top prospects go play in the Cape Cod League. What do you think of the low batting averages and numerous errors in the league? "
low level amateur ball wrote on Aug 20, 2007 1:49 PM:
" CCV- state champs, MVL Champs, MVL tourny champs, free to get in, more wins than the loggers.
Loggers-disappointing every season, never won a playoff game, pay to get in and concessions are over priced. got beat by sparta miller who was .500 and tied for 4th place in the MVL!
this isnt low level amateur ball??? the only reason you say it isnt chuck is because you pay to get in. every CCV starter play/played college ball. stop giving the loggers more credit than they deserve!!!! "
Low level amateur? wrote on Aug 20, 2007 1:20 PM:
" 7 NWL all stars, Patriot League player of the year, Big 12 freshman of the year, two team USA players, SEC leader in doubles, Big 10 first team second baseman, 4 premiere D1 outfielders? What amateur team can compare to that? If you are referring to the late season makeshift team then stop, the real team was hit with a "deluge of injuries" (read article above). "
cry babies wrote on Aug 20, 2007 12:48 PM:
" Is everyone in La Crosse a cry baby? They don't want to pay to go see NBA talent because it "costs too much". They complain that the Loggers aren't good enough, yet they only pay $4 to go watch a game. You aren't talking about professional scouts and baseball owners here! There's competition in the Cape, which is where all of the top talent goes. The Loggers are only three years old! Give them a chance...If you don't like it, don't go, but quit your whining about everything. "
To whom it may concern wrote on Aug 20, 2007 11:50 AM:
" I do know what level baseball this is and you obviously do not. This is a quality venue in ouor community. If you don't appreciate it then I suggest you find another form of entertainment. Signed, Chuck Olson "
Chuck wrote on Aug 20, 2007 7:53 AM:
" Do you know this is low level amateur baseball? "
Chuck Olson wrote on Aug 19, 2007 2:58 PM:
" Thank you to the Kapanke family, Logger staff, Logger players and all who provided us with another fantastic year of baseball and entertainment. Your dedication to providing this quality family venue is to be complimented. Our area is very fortunate to have this level of baseball. Thank you also for the improved Copeland Park field(Lumberyard). I am proud to be associated as a sponsor of Logger baseball. Good Luck next season. I will be there!! "
Good thoughts wrote on Aug 15, 2007 8:16 PM:
" D Schultz, I wouldn't think he is ready to be field manager. Give him the first base or bench coach job and gain more experience. Agree with the consistent line-up. They should have started the lineup that scored the 19-20 runs more often. Try to recruit players from the top three teams in different conferences, and limit it to Universities that don't start classes until after the season is over. Maybe recruit a player from the Northeast 10 conference that use wooden bats. Player(s) wouldn't have to learn to hit with wood, would be ready to go. If the Loggers would have made the playoffs, they would have lost Cole White because of leaving early to go back to Army. "
Thoughts wrote on Aug 15, 2007 7:17 PM:
" Some good ideas for posters to think about.
1. Dave Schultz for manager in '08?
2. Sign young, D1 pitchers who aren't on inning restrictions, who'll also have a better chance of staying healthy.
3. Establish an every day lineup early in the season and fill the rest of the roster with role players.
4. Find some sluggers to electrify the crowd with doubles and home runs.
5. Two or three local guys on the roster to keep the whiners happy. "
Move this discusion to wrote on Aug 15, 2007 5:09 PM:
" http://www.nwlfan.com A discussion board for the Northwoods league. This way everyone can make comments "
Great story wrote on Aug 15, 2007 12:26 PM:
" Sounds like St Cloud rallied together to get the job done. Also sounds like the Duluth manager had some major issues with the umpires in the 2 games having been tossed in both of them.
On another note the article mentioned Coach Carlson. We sat behind the 3rd base dugout and enjoyed watching coach on his perch on the steps. He interacted with the players and enjoyed himself. We will miss him and wish he and his family best wishes and good luck. If the Loggers were to look for a new manager we hope they would look his direction. "
If you need an inspring story... wrote on Aug 15, 2007 10:15 AM:
" check out the Aug. 15 online edition of the St. Cloud Times, www.stcloudtimes.com
Two-game sweep in one day, just days after the death of a teammate. There's magic happening up there, and neither Eau Claire, nor Green Bay will be able to stop it in the championship series. "
So.. wrote on Aug 15, 2007 9:58 AM:
" who cares. I can't believe the Tribune continues to give the Loggers top billing over the Brewers.
The Loggers are just another reason for people in La Crosse to drink beer "
Bill wrote on Aug 15, 2007 7:40 AM:
" Wall of Shame is more appropriate. Hard to have a Hall of Fame when your franchise hasn't won a championship...or even been close for that matter. That sweep in the first round in 2004 to the hands of Madison was complete domination. "
Wall should include wrote on Aug 14, 2007 5:28 PM:
" Dale Mueller Max Scherzer Donny Erdall "
U C wrote on Aug 14, 2007 3:10 PM:
" Rofl, problems with a Logger Wall of Fame. Have you ever played baseball? Or are you still pouting? David Schultz's 16 career homeruns-total bases-slugging pct, Ben Stanczyk's 6 complete games-Loggers career marks for strikeouts (179)-wins (11) ERA(1.75) and totaled a .268 batting average, Andy Podmolik 2005 Silver Glove award winner-team record 40 walks that produced a .391 on-base percentage-Franchise best 16-game hitting streak, Aaron Rodgers-games started-97 strikeouts in 05 top 10 in league history for strikeouts in a year. Mike Sirianni’s .405 on base pct, Jesse Hart 2006 MVP honors batting .286 with 63 hits and 21 runs scored, Eric Thames 2007 MVP. "
Me wrote on Aug 14, 2007 1:48 PM:
" I must say I agree with the first poster. Friday night was my first Logger's game this year, and I must say I wasn't impressed with the between-innings entertainer. Nice voice, but he butchered the lyrics to Stray Cat Strut. At least get someone who knows the words to the song he's singing. "
Lou wrote on Aug 14, 2007 1:32 PM:
" The ballpark is looking better each year, but I'd hope they could clean up the area around the restrooms and concession shelter. It looks awfull trashy on that side. "
wow wrote on Aug 14, 2007 12:44 PM:
" Did the organization take your B-day away from you too? Lol. Get real fellas. "
u c wrote on Aug 14, 2007 12:16 PM:
" Your making this personal, its business. The teams in the league have between inning entertainments to keep the youngsters attention. Sponsorships from local businesses keep the prices down. The Country concert is going to raise money for much needed new restroom facility and for new lights at Copeland park. With new lights, maybe ESPNU will broadcast a game from La Crosse. We won't have to worry about the lights going out & waiting 15 minutes for them to come back on. IMO…They should make one structure for restrooms, locker rooms (for the teams/umpires), concession/souvenirs stand, game day operations office, ticket/willcall window and Logger Wall of fame. Call it the Lumbercamp "
re:Philly wrote on Aug 14, 2007 12:14 PM:
" Your statements hold no water with most sensible people. We all know you have an axe to grind. "
Philly wrote on Aug 14, 2007 9:41 AM:
" Far be it from Goodell to take any accountability. "
Bill wrote on Aug 14, 2007 7:33 AM:
" Oh come on! This team wasnt winning in the beginning of the second half when all the "injuries" started! 7 all stars and 17-16 in the first half! Come On! Something is wrong! Goodell, please concentrate on baseball instead of country concerts and the 10 minute in between innings "entertainment" you booked all year! The karaoke singer last weekend was excrutiating! "
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