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Published - Sunday, August 19, 2007

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Should legislators approve 'Healthy Wisconsin' plan?

Healthy Wisconsin could be a model for national program
In Paris several summers ago, I became so ill and dehydrated that I needed an ambulance ride to the emergency room on a Sunday morning. No questions asked, I was treated in two hours and back on my feet.

The two drugs the doctor prescribed cost me $6 each. I received a bill one month after returning home. The hospital and ambulance charge — 50 bucks.

I didn’t even submit my charges to my health insurance coverage. Would anyone go through the headache of our American private insurance bureaucracy for $50?

In this regard, as Michael Moore depicts in his recent documentary, “Sicko,” America has become a medical insurance nightmare. In stark contrast, the World Health Organization ranks the French nationalized and socialized medical delivery system No. 1 in the world.

WHO ranks our system 37th, because we ration health care by excluding one-sixth of our population from the health delivery system. I always wonder why Americans brag about people coming here for medical procedures. Don’t they realize our excess capacity exists by excluding one-sixth of our own population?

Throughout the rest of western civilization, health care is a basic human right. Michael Moore is right, and most Americans know it. Our system is not only broken and needs to be fixed — it is unjust and shameful.

At the national level, Republicans are blocking expanded insurance coverage to needy children. As the syndicated columnist Mark Shields recently remarked, in opposing this expansion, he observed that Republicans seem too busy hunting down deadbeat 5- and 6-year-olds to have the wherewithal to fix our health-care woes.

Fortunately we are now in the death throes of compassionate conservatism. A new presidential administration will have to fix health care for the nation as a whole.

But within our constitutional structure of federalism — that is divided policy responsibility between the national and state levels of government — when the central government fails to address policy concerns, the individual states may take the initiative. The Democrats in control of the Wisconsin Senate have indeed seized the initiative through their Healthy Wisconsin proposal.

These Democrats are operating in the tradition of our state’s greatest political figure, Fighting Bob La Follette. His Progressive state retirement plan started in 1911, and became the model for our national Social Security System, implemented during the New Deal. This is the most successful public program in the history of the United States.

So I hope Steve Gores is right: Healthy Wisconsin could very well become a model for national health care reform. We in Wisconsin have a proud tradition of leading the nation in constructing a quality of life through public policies that enhance our collective well-being.

However, I believe Steve is mistaken in joining with the Republicans controlling our state Assembly and trotting out their same old tired, worn-out and failed solutions. A variety of independent research institutes have now informed us that health savings accounts actually drive up the cost of traditional insurance. Assembly Republican posturing on this issue makes me sick — until I stop to think how costly it is to get cured in our society.

Healthy Wisconsin will pool all of us into a single purchasing unit. This provides all of us the purchasing power to control our health care costs collectively. But it also provides health care coverage without rationing by discriminating against the weakest, poorest and least influential among us.

Healthy Wisconsin will cost us as much as we spend on health insurance today. The Senate Democrats’ plan has co-pays and deductibles lower than most private insurance policies available anywhere in our state.

I hope Republicans are ready to stop dividing us. We need their contribution in constructing a health coverage system that will encourage personal responsibility, economic efficiency and quality medical delivery within a system that no longer discriminates against too many of our own citizens. The Democrats in the state Senate have devised the plan — Healthy Wisconsin.

Keith Knutson teaches history at Viterbo University.
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TO: Terri Shewczyk wrote on Aug 28, 2007 9:39 PM:

" You never addressed my post about correctly calling the crisis what it is, a 'private sector worker health crisis'. Which only leads me to believe you receive a government check. Right? Somethings are so easy, or you could lower yourself and lie! "

Terri Shewczyk wrote on Aug 27, 2007 11:17 PM:

" Here is a source for accurate, well-documented research and information on the web Physicians for a National Health Program http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single_payer_resources.php "

TO: kamikazefaase wrote on Aug 26, 2007 6:57 PM:

" That is one of the only posts that you have written that has any merit. I could not agree more. Kapanke stated he would give back the post retirement funds that he was slated to receive. Remember when he and all the other local politicians got caught with their hands in the jar in this smarmy, covert benefit. -Nestor "

kamikazefaase wrote on Aug 25, 2007 3:25 AM:

" To "To Huebschacrite": You criticize without thinking. The comments by Huebschacrite is basically saying what is go for Mikey is good for all of us. And since when is being in government an entitlement to rob the public treasury for personal means. These people should be doing the people's business without pay or compensation because they are elected, not employed by us. People yell about term limits, it starts by ending their compensation. The more we compensate, including health care and retirement benefits, the longer they will stay. That's why we have career politicans instead of statesmen today. "

This is another huge TAX INCREASE wrote on Aug 24, 2007 1:58 PM:

" Doyle is going to get every dime out of us, to help us out that is really nice of him that he cares so much about our money, I wish he would care a little less about my money and start cutting the wasteful spending of MADISON, so I could afford more things in life.....Whats amazing is all the people supporting this Health care crap Don't pay for it now. It's a benefit for teachers that WE ALREADY PAY FOR......WHAT A JOKE "

What a bunch of lies wrote on Aug 24, 2007 1:53 PM:

" I once lived in Paris for 6 months, and what the writer is saying is an outright LIE, I hope he has the receipts for this because it's NOT TRUE. First off If your not a citizen of FRANCE you do not get the same COVERAGE AS the people of FRANCE and the people of FRANCE along with very high income and sales taxes have to buy additional insurance for catastrophic coverage. This guy hasn't a clue as to what the heck he is talking about..........NOT A CLUE........ALSO if he didn't buy the coverage at customs he had NO COVERAGE AT ALL IN FRANCE "

I went to the hospital last year wrote on Aug 24, 2007 1:33 PM:

" Ambulance was covered, visit was covered and the medicine was $10 co-pay, I buy my own health insurance through WP that anyone can buy off the street and I pay $268 a month for my family and it's %100 tax deductible. My employer only employees 6 people and I choose to get a higher wage instead of his health care. So if we go to universal health care do I loose Mine that has been great? this is ROBBING from those that choose to pay for health care and those that want to live off of others. If people don't have health care insurance it's there own fault, and they need to be more responsible for there way of life "

To Mr KNUTSON wrote on Aug 24, 2007 1:17 PM:

" I too have been to Paris and you sir have mislead the public on this issue TREMENDOUSLY. Although Frances health care system does cover smaller items such as yours, you FAILED TO TELL US what happens if you have CANCER or others serious illnesses. The TRUTH THAT FAILS YOUR ARTICLE is the citizens of France have to buy additional insurance to be fully covered. The UK'S NATIONAL HEALTH CARE SUCKS REALLY BAD AND CANADAS IS A TOTAL DISASTER....SO TRUTH IN THE STORY IS LACKING ON YOUR PART. These health care schemes are nothing more then a way to get more money from the people and more CONTROL "

TO: Terri Shewczyk wrote on Aug 23, 2007 10:29 PM:

" There is no health crisis in WI. There is although a, private sector worker health crisis. The government employees all have coverage. Call it what it is. "

TO: Terri Shewczyk wrote on Aug 23, 2007 10:26 PM:

" So, tell me what you think of Gov Doyle coming up with a 10% charge to all employers matching their payroll for his health program? The vast majority of business is small. The failure rate for these businesses are also very high. Too many are living month to month as it is. It also looks like the economy is headed for recession. Where do you think the money will come from? The disparity in benefits between private sector vs. government employees has only grown in the last 20 years. Once again the private working class will shoulder the burden? -Nestor "

Terri Shewczyk wrote on Aug 23, 2007 11:49 AM:

" Anyone not behind Healthy Wisconsin is either uniformed as to how much we pay for private insurance compared to tax dollars spent by other nations, or they are so rich they fear they will be taxed more than their expensive private insurance, or they have a vested interest in the status quo-aka in the health for profit industry. I have over-studied this. Single payer, government funded health care works much better for everyone, except the very rich. "

People like this make me laugh. wrote on Aug 21, 2007 10:32 AM:

" First he works for a teaching institution. A private institution but still one. The mindset still bleeds over. Paris? Come up on the Northside and you and I can canvas my neighbors. Then we can ask them two questions- When were you able to afford a trip to Paris? and If Doyle has his way how are those of you going to cover an additional 10% matching your payroll for a health insurance program. Sadly it is my opinion that too much of the burden of any program will fall of those same Northside workers and small business people. Not to bother with $50? How well that illustrates the gap between some people. $50 can make or break a month up here for some. "

Feel good piece wrote on Aug 20, 2007 12:29 PM:

" Your pro piece though told a nice little anecdotal story about how well you were served in France it gave no substance as to how we are all going to pay for this rich ill thought out socialized medicine plan. The statistics in Gores piece told the true picture - runaway health care costs have to be curbed before we can make it affordable to the masses. "

Flawed thinkinig wrote on Aug 20, 2007 6:55 AM:

" You may have paid a $6.00 for your prescription and $50.00 for the ambulance drive, but make no mistake...someone paid for it. You were just happy that the French taxpayers did it for you. Typical liberal thinking. "

kamikazefaase wrote on Aug 20, 2007 4:15 AM:

" The problem is the government personal already has the best available in health insurance. The question is do we want to join it? If we do, then we can't complain about what they have. By not having it, we complain but don't use our powers of recall, initiative, or referendum to change things. Maybe this should be placed on either an advisory referendum or required action statewide to let Madison know what we want. Afterall, if we can pass a constitutional amendment concerning marriage, why can't we vote on this kind of program that would affect all the lives of Wisconsin's residents and those who visit here? "

Universal Healthcare Already Exists wrote on Aug 19, 2007 8:18 PM:

" Have you ever been in the military or use the VA for your medicine? This is the kind of care you are suggesting that everyone should have? VA doctors who tell you that you can't get a second opinion when you really need one? Military medical care for pregnant women who have no choice and no idea which doctor might deliver their child? Where are the pro-choice Democrats on this issue? Lumping us all into a single pool will save the very poor money because the rest of us who work will have to pay hundreds more per paycheck in taxes. Not my idea of saving money. Why are Democrats afraid of letting citizens be free to choose for themselves? "

Be careful you might get it! wrote on Aug 19, 2007 1:45 PM:

" How ironic that it is the county , city, state, and education comrades, calling for universal health care! YOU HAVE UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE!You have a $500 deductible with a max out of pocket of $750 ,paid Dr. office calls, paid prescription drugs,and a max premium of $100 or less, all provided by the taxpayers!We who have HSAs have taken charge of our own health care, with our own money!Our deductibles are $5100{what?},and our premiums are approx $500/month, but we are in control of health care spending, and getting a 100% tax deduction for doing it. Thats the way Huebsch thinks it should be and hs is right! "

To Huebschacrite and Huebschacrook. wrote on Aug 19, 2007 1:01 PM:

" Boy arnt we clever! Why dont you put your name out there and see what we can do with it!Its eaiser for you cowards to hide behind your computers! "

To Huebschacrite wrote on Aug 19, 2007 11:10 AM:

" You sir, are a perfect example of why the system is doomed to failure!Jealous, devisive name calling. NO constructive ideas. Its sunday morning,so why dont you gather up your family and go sit in the front pew. Pray for wisdom. Run againest Huebsch if you have the fortitude! Oh and remember , your family is fair game! "

Huebschacrite wrote on Aug 19, 2007 9:21 AM:

" This issue is a perfect example of how the two parties differ in their tactics. The dems consistently want to bring everyone together to help fix a broken situation affecting every level of society. The republicans want to divide and conquer by offering HSAs. If HSAs are so great why doesn't Mike Huebsch drop his family's plan in favor of one? So HSAs are good enough for the rest of us but the Huebsch family deserves better? "


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