Put up Cameras wrote on Sep 5, 2007 11:46 PM:
" Do this and then SHUT UP these serial killer wisher wanna be's. When it shows a staggerring drunk stumbing into the river ALONE, they will say what then?? Conspiracy, river monster, loser wishers... "
gnome wrote on Sep 5, 2007 8:41 PM:
" Do you remember the poem that appeared with the the return of the stolen gnome? "
Gnome wrote on Sep 5, 2007 8:39 PM:
" Is the person who stole the gnome the serial killer? "
re; Just STOP wrote on Sep 5, 2007 2:42 PM:
" If I were related to one of the victims, I would want to hear people fighting for a solution to this ongoing problem. I'm not being a wise apple, but it sounds like you should seek some professional counseling. "
Just STOP wrote on Sep 4, 2007 3:29 PM:
" For all of you inconsiderate people out there, maybe you should just leave your comments and opinions to yourself. Do you know how hard it is to have lost a friend and even a son. Coming up on a year is still not easy for all of his friend back home and in La Crosse and more importantly to his family. Stop bitching about this and be more concerned with the feelings of others. This is ridiculous and extremely hard. At least you could do is care about the family and friends at hand. Honestly "
Patriot wrote on Sep 4, 2007 3:21 PM:
" This is real simple folks. Not finding evidence of foul play, is not the same as finding evidence which excludes it. Yet, that is the message they are trying to send. Even though they have ZERO evidence ruling out foul play. The truth here is this: they have found no specific evidence indicating foul play. So without any leads to follow up they feel there is no reason to assume there is anything more to investigate. That normally makes good sense. But there is a bit of circumstantial evidence which does suggest the possibility of foul play... the statistical unlikeliness of the number of victims and the also the somewhat narrow scope of similarity between them. "
Websites can give you information that LaCrosse won't wrote on Sep 4, 2007 1:34 PM:
" There are websites that have set up information about the young men drowning in the midwest. One site even maps out the drownings for you to SEE a pattern. Vance Holmes has information about all the young men that have drowned in the midwest and Chris Jenkin's parents hired a PI who found some interesting information. The Tribune will not allow me to give you details, but you can read them for yourself and then form an opinion. "
unohoo to: THORN, wrote on Sep 4, 2007 12:42 PM:
" THANK YOU VERY VERY MUCH. It becomes tiresome and frustrating to invent new ways to relay my feelings and beliefs on this topic. You however, with so few words do it for me and the MANY others that share the same opinions where these deaths are concerned. Thanks again, and to Marc Wehrs, it's what the country is "saying" not seeing! "
BLAME? wrote on Sep 4, 2007 12:30 PM:
" They love to gloss over the facts. The 'higher' learning institutions should accept the blame. All the out of town students should have MANDATORY classes regarding alcohol and drugs. If they are caught underage drinking, the schools should take action. The news forgets that most, if not all, drowners were at unsupervised house parties where cheap or FREE alcohol was irresponsibly consumed BEFORE they went downtown. That alcohol was NOT purchased at a bar~ probably purchased at a grocery store or from any good corner at a convenience store. Eliminate cheap accessible alcohol from the gas stations or increase PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY! "
PROBLEM SOLVED wrote on Sep 4, 2007 12:19 PM:
" CLOSE the universities! These 'students' come from out of town and there is NO way to change the culture of alcohol in THEIR hometowns! Leave us locals alone! "
rick harsch wrote on Sep 4, 2007 11:20 AM:
" Message from serial killer: please don't debunk me! The serial killer absolutely exists. From these posts I can see he is a necessary phantom in the minds of many La Crosse folk. Why do they need him? I don't know, but things have sure changed since Evelyn Hartley was kidnaped--then the crime was treated with fear and outrage and was an actual crime to boot. Now La Crosse citizens WANT an horrendous crime...to put them on the map? To explain away failures? To assuage fears? To put a face on dread? To put a face on war? To put a face on inequity? "
rick harsch wrote on Sep 4, 2007 11:16 AM:
" I agree--it's a little strange that no fit young white men get hit by cars in the river. "
Ann Garity wrote on Sep 4, 2007 11:12 AM:
" Everyone go to http://www.vanceholmes.com/court/trial_missing_students.html
and read the actual 100% true events throughout the Midwest and decide for yourselves. I challenge the people, with their heads in the sand, putting 100% blame on binge drinking to go to this website and just see whats there. Then Issue another post here. "
Nothing has been debunked wrote on Sep 4, 2007 9:21 AM:
" I don't necessarily believe there is a serial killer. But, I don't necessarily believe there ISN'T one either. Of course a serial killer would leave no apparent clues for the FBI to readily discover. There may or may not be one. We just don't know. We don't have enough information. "
Bonnie wrote on Sep 4, 2007 8:30 AM:
" This is serial killing plain and simple. All white men and all drowned ? No Asians,blacks, or women ? Nobody stabbed,shot,or beaten ? Come on now folks. As far as the Famous But Imcompetents, they can't be trusted as far as you can throw them anymore. "
WAKE UP LA CROSSE wrote on Sep 4, 2007 7:40 AM:
" If the athletic fit young men are so drunk they are falling into river, HOW COME NONE OF THEM WERE HIT BY MOVING CARS? "
a different kind of drinking wrote on Sep 3, 2007 11:43 PM:
" I was in a local restaurant today and overheard 3 young men boasting about "the guy who did 31 shots last night!" I'm middle-aged but we did our share of partying when I was young. However, we didn't "power drink" which is a term I've often heard. Yes, people did shots, but I don't think their goal was to get stupid within the first hour. Alcohol is the killer, people. Every river town has drownings related to alcohol. "
OK, FBI pats PD on back, great wrote on Sep 3, 2007 11:08 PM:
" The FBI only looked over paperwork, they did no field ops on their own, over time. To me, this still can't be ruled out. Just because one idiot fell in on his own accord with no contact with anyone, that isn't proof positive, end of story. This can't be ruled out. I'm no willy nilly hoping for chaos and panic, just a realist that sees this as a resident, having known one of the people found! The red flag to me, is the victim that was found, with his clothes folded nicely on the rivers edge, if he was too drunk, why were the clothes folded? odd, isn't it? "
How about THIS! (door tender) wrote on Sep 3, 2007 11:04 PM:
" Require each bar have a door tender, not just a bouncer checking IDs, but a door man. The door man checks people IDs as they enter, but also their condition upon exit. I've seen these people spill out of the bar, oblivious, and nobody helps them. Help the guy, talk friendly, grab his wallet, and call him a cab to take him home from the address off his ID. The bars hold some responsibility, but eliminating drink specials, etc, is putting a band-aid on a problem that requires many stitches. Doors would have to be single file for this to work, only problem I'd see. "
Pfrancis wrote on Sep 3, 2007 8:50 PM:
" My comment: YAWN...zzzzzzz... "
8:12 post has a good point about resources. wrote on Sep 3, 2007 3:55 PM:
" Some of these kids had the equivalent of more than a case of beer and it was consumed downtown. A night out was rare between school/homework/job and we were lucky to afford a couple beers and often went without because we were spending on food, rent and tuition. It's unbievable the cash these kids have available. It's really gone up during the last decade. "
The Killer Is...................... wrote on Sep 3, 2007 3:54 PM:
" John Barley Korn!!!! Why don't they raise the legal drinking age to 60? "
To: Simple Solution wrote on Sep 3, 2007 3:25 PM:
" Actually, no-if the cameras had been installed and someone would have been recorded stumbling into the river, that would have been one isolated incident. The serial killer theorists would say "ok, that was one-what about the others?" The people who believe in the serial killer have to dissect and analyze everything into the ground. As the 10:28 a.m. poster said, some people just have to have the drama in their lives. "
Desperate for a drink, can't swim wrote on Sep 3, 2007 3:14 PM:
" Why is Marc Wehrs so considerned about the appearance of the 'facts' that he posts on his own post? How close is the Tribune to Riverside? Who REPORTS that La Crosse has a drinking problem, not a serial killer? Add it up. "
Ex-convict wrote on Sep 3, 2007 2:40 PM:
" I agree with Tina Kothbauer, that there is a serial killer in La Crosse that's watching these drunk college kids. I would guess that the killer is a between 21-25 who is a white female or possible a white gay male. This killer is doing what white college jocks have done to her/him in the past. Now it's payback. We know that there will be another killing before the school year ends. "
Simple solution wrote on Sep 3, 2007 1:46 PM:
" If they would've installed cameras in the park it would've told the whole story. Then the serial killer theorists would shut up once and for all when they watched video of drunk people falling into the river all by themselves. "
What The Hell Do They Know wrote on Sep 3, 2007 1:46 PM:
" They havn't seen the lurking shadow down by the river! "
for the record . . . wrote on Sep 3, 2007 1:10 PM:
" The tavern league does not care about these kids. Rather than addressing the problem, they have a "Call Tree" to call other bars to let them know when the cops are doing compliance checks. I've seen the list- in fact, I think I'll get a copy to give to the police. That way, they can show it to the victim's family after the next drowning. "
Thank You wrote on Sep 3, 2007 12:17 PM:
" I go out MAYBE once a month, I have maybe 4-8 beers when I am out......why do I have to go by the same rules as the stupid drunken KIDS? "
Think about this wrote on Sep 3, 2007 11:27 AM:
" No matter which side you take, serial killer or alcohol, it is obvious that alcohol plays a huge role. Serial Killer--Not to blame the young men but if they hadn't had so much to drink, then they wouldn't have been in positions of vulnerability. Either way we have to address the alcohol issue. "
McMom wrote on Sep 3, 2007 11:20 AM:
" I love how this article left out all of the other similarities with these deaths... The city BOASTS od this $60,000 that they have to fork out for these barriers. They darn better spend the money because that is pennies compared to the revenue the area will lose because of this "problem" whatever the cause... Deep down, I don't think they were all accidents, but at least with students guarding the water, either cause to the deaths will cease.
Just watch for another town on the Mississippi to develope a "binge drinking problem".
Have all the investigations you want, good-ol-boys, the majority of the public wouldn't buy it no matter who says it isn't true. We live here, and we know the gut feeling we have...
"
Time college students to wake up and smell the bourbon! wrote on Sep 3, 2007 10:51 AM:
" It is a catch 22 scenario…If the FBI “doesn’t” do an investigation; everyone would point to the lack of taking these issues seriously. Most victims were “white males.” Now that’s is a real shocker, what are the odds seeing “white males,” on 3rd Street on a Thursday night, long odds eh! Alcohol and the dysfunction associated with it’s “ABUSE,” are the root of this decades old problem. Bars want to make easy bucks but “don’t want to baby-sit.” Sorry, you live by the shot glass, you should be responsible for the shot glass (both bar and drinker) or you could die by the shot glass. La Crosse should do a 1 week mandatory shut down of all bars, call an all day seminar for all bar owners and reevaluate where it is and where it wants to go alcohol wise. "
Thorn wrote on Sep 3, 2007 10:47 AM:
" The FBI debunked the "Terrorists flying into building theory" before 9-11 also (except the agent in Minnesota; who was chastised prior)...yea I trust the FBI. "
RE: Poster wrote on Sep 3, 2007 10:28 AM: wrote on Sep 3, 2007 10:45 AM:
" You really need a grip on reality. I assumed someone with no sense of reality would post as you did, and I assumed correctly. I suggest you read the following definition. Some people just can't grasp the real world.
Satire (from Latin satura, not from the greek mythological figure satyr[1]) is a literary genre, chiefly literary and dramatic, in which human or individual vices, follies, abuses, or shortcomings are held up to censure by means of ridicule, derision, burlesque, irony, or other methods, sometimes with an intent to bring about improvement "
look on the bright side wrote on Sep 3, 2007 10:38 AM:
" at least young, athletic, handsome, dark haired young men, are the only ones that get drunk enough to "fall in and drown". "
re: so they wont release the report? and we are to believe them wrote on Sep 3, 2007 10:28 AM:
" Oh, now we're accusing the chief of police of being responsible for these kids drowning??? Thats perfect! Lets blame EVERYONE except of course, the kids themselves. . . .and what TV show do you watch that your paranoid about the FBI wire tapping?? . . .some people live in such a fantacy, Get real! What about the 40 people the volunteers found walking along the river? I'm sure they were planted by the cops too. Some people just need the DRAMA!!! "
PAX wrote on Sep 3, 2007 10:28 AM:
" Why is the FBI involved if there is no serial killer? We all know that the system requires that they deny, deny, deny, OOPS! we got caught lying again...and the serial killer goes on and takes more of these young people. they think we cannot handle the truth.......perhaps it is they that cannot handle the truth. "
re: NYC via UWL wrote on Sep 3, 2007 10:24 AM:
" They wouldn't want to stand in line? They stand in line all the time, even in the winter. "
Still confused wrote on Sep 3, 2007 10:22 AM:
" I don't buy it. No, I don't believe there is a serial killer on the loose, but why is it that no one can confidently explain to me why this has only been happening for a short period of time! People in this town have over indulged for years. Does anyone remember the 60's and what Oktoberfests were like then? Oktoberfest now doesn't even compare to the old days. Why didn't anyone walk to the river then? "
NYC via UWL wrote on Sep 3, 2007 10:21 AM:
" La Crosse's alcohol issues are some of the worse I have seen anywhere in the country. Alcohol is so inexpensive in La Crosse, that even "poor" college students can afford to get recklessly drunk on very little money. My ideas on helping reduce the alcohol abuse that is rampant in La Crosse:
1. Enforce fire codes at local bars. Even students would not want to stand outside and wait to drink (especially during the winter months).
2. Create a $1 per drink tax to help pay for patrols and bringing non-drinking activities and events to La Crosse. "
Marc Wehrs wrote on Sep 3, 2007 10:21 AM:
" We posted this AP report so our site visitors could see what the rest of the state (and nation) is seeing today. "
The real problem is they won't let us sleep on wrote on Sep 3, 2007 10:12 AM:
" 2nd, 3rd and 4th streets any more. Wouldn't really want to anyway with all the vomit on the sidewalks. We have to go to the river for a nap and our second wind. "
drinking today is not much different from the past wrote on Sep 3, 2007 9:55 AM:
" evan tho there are lots more people here is lax and more drinking. we never had such a problem with river deaths. as the years go by, we hear more and more about deaths from river drowning. and now that the fbi is involved, that tells me something.- that we havent heard the end of it yet. please everyone, watch out for yourself and your friends. KEEP EM AWAY FROM THE RIVER while you all are out enjoying life. "
Why?? wrote on Sep 3, 2007 9:52 AM:
" Is this in the paper again? Wasn't this story covered last week and with a news conference lead by the Chief? "
years ago.... wrote on Sep 3, 2007 9:33 AM:
" Back in 1982 and 1983 when I attended WTC and lived in LaCrosse, we did the same thing.... party, party, party. The next day we'd wake up wondering how we ever found our way back to our apartment (always walking). We NEVER had any alcohol related drowning incidents back then. You don't think there is a serial killer? Think again. There's no doubt in my mind. "
Is she for real wrote on Sep 3, 2007 9:27 AM:
" ...."Viterbo junior Tina Kothbauer, 20, of Durand, said she still thinks a serial killer is at large and police are keeping it quiet to avoid publicity. She shook her head at the safe drinking campaign.“I don’t think it will do anything,” she said. “College students aren’t going to stop binge drinking.”.....
is some one honestly in this much denial, get over it and quit drinking, learn to take responsibility "
People Believe What They Want To wrote on Sep 3, 2007 9:27 AM:
" People believe what they want to even in the presence of irrefutable evidence to the contrary. Ask any criminal if they did it. Consipracy theorists find ways to refute even the most solid of evidnece. For example, any Kennedy, Marilyn Monroe, Elvis, UFO's, the former Princess Di, Anna Nicole, 9/11, the I-35 bridge collapse, you name it there is a conspiracy behind it. Oh well, it doesn't matter, the world is going to end in 2012 anyway. "
Hush! wrote on Sep 3, 2007 9:24 AM:
" What about the ones who got away and made their way back to shore?????? HMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!
Hush! Hush! "
Proud That My Kids Hate Me wrote on Sep 3, 2007 9:18 AM:
" I agree with the 8:12 post. I would rather my kids resent me for making them work for everything and not give them everything they want because "all the other kids have them". My 11 year-old is already bugging me for a car for her 16th birthday. I told her the only way she will get a car before she moves out on her own is if she gets a job and NEEDS a car to get to work. I would rather be cold and heartless than resent letting them get what they want and become dependant of me until they are 40. More parents need to think this way. "
Mikey wrote on Sep 3, 2007 9:09 AM:
" As stated by another poster, the serial killer is alcohol. The rest of you are in denial. Alcohol kills over 15000 each year by auto.Most domestic abuse is alcohol related. If there is a serial killer in La Crosse, then he or she also visits St. CLoud, Eau CLaire, Memphis, and other college towns with riverfront drinking areas. La Crosse is the leader because our kids drink a LOT more than those in the other towns and our taverns abut a real nice RIverside Park. Serial killer? Get real. "
Amazing remark wrote on Sep 3, 2007 9:05 AM:
" I shook my head in amazement at Tina's quote that there really is a serial killer and the police are keeping it a secret. However, she is only 20 and quite possibly a responsible person who doesn't go downtown and get falling-down-drunk. So she wouldn't understand how these drownings can happen. "
So they won't release the report? And we are to believe them wrote on Sep 3, 2007 8:51 AM:
" WHY?
Oh ya, based on Kondracki's information, the FBI, you know the guys who wire tap on us, use it to support Kondracki's position. The drownings didn't happen until Kondracki took over, coincidence? Sweat. Yup, I believe them, sure I do. The "
"Your Honor or Mr. Teacher", "My Johnny is really a 'good boy'" wrote on Sep 3, 2007 8:12 AM:
" My Johnny can do no wrong. He is my child and I live in denial that he would make bad choices to harm him/herself or anyone else. I have spoiled him/her rotten. Taught him/her no sense of responsibility by defending him/her against any teacher accusations of problems or misbehavior, rather than believing the professional giving me a red flag. I bought him/her a new vehicle at 16 rather than making it his/her responsibility to earn the privilege to drive and the responsibility to raise the money themselves. Can professors at the University and Tech generally tell which students are paying for their own class credits and which are getting the parental educational 'ride'? I bet they can. This problem begins far before kids get to college and make poor choices there. "
MN_Guy wrote on Sep 3, 2007 8:02 AM:
" The only serial killer is alcohol. "
This sucks wrote on Sep 3, 2007 5:29 AM:
" now these know it all college KIDS, might have to take responsibility for THEMELVES......Something seldomly taught in school nowdays! This "serial killer" theroy is how the leaders of our future handle things, when something goes wrong, point fingers and blame something other than yourself. You don't need to worry about the alcohol specials they have at bars, you have to worry about the KIDS consuming the alcohol specials at bars........might be time to raise the drinking age limit? These KIDS have proved time and time again they are not ready to handle the responsibility of drinking. "
Re FBI debunks wrote on Sep 3, 2007 1:25 AM:
" So they bring this up again.Now I'm starting to think there is a serial killer. "
oh boy . . . wrote on Sep 3, 2007 12:00 AM:
" here we go again!! "
Stating the obvious wrote on Sep 2, 2007 11:36 PM:
" Anyone with any common sense should've known there isn't and NEVER was a serial killer involved. People love to stick their heads in the dirt and turn a blind eye to the real problem of alcohol abuse. It is sad really. "
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