UScitizen wrote on Oct 2, 2007 5:20 PM:
" Why do we have to said this and that. we have people who agree to help and people who disagree to help. why don't the people that agree to help focus on what to do to be able to help the hmong and the people that doesn't want to help the hmong just mind their own business. no need to waste time here. "
American Vet wrote on Oct 1, 2007 5:33 PM:
" HonestAbe...around five or six US Hmong servicemen have been KIA in Iraq and Afghanistan. Here's one:
http://www.hmongtoday.com/displaynews.asp?ID=1661
The war in Laos didn't end 30 years ago as you stated. Hmong are still hunted down and shot. You obviously didn't view the 'stupid link' of videos to learn this, apparently prefering to gain enlightment by osmosis of imagination. Factual content logically interpreted, not acerbic sarcasm, is preferred form of discussion. "
HonestAbe wrote on Oct 1, 2007 4:35 AM:
" American Vet, "America owes the Hmong." Owed. Paid in full. "
American Vet wrote on Sep 30, 2007 10:48 PM:
" America owes the Hmong. We left them high and dry in 1975 and they've been subjected to death and misery since: See these videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YI5Svn29WgI&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJHerGolvR0&mode=related&search
Americans who served with Hmong respect them. Hmong saved American lives. Read the book TRAGIC MOUNTAINS and learn something. Census data shows the Hmong are doing better and better. "
mongman wrote on Sep 30, 2007 3:38 PM:
" as hmong myself that came to usa as little boy i would like to ask the older hmong generation to stop asking for help from anyone all the time. Stop mentioning about the war in 70s and start living like other immigrants. alot of older hmong men go back to laos and have a couple more wives overthere by buying them from their father. THis is a true story in hmong society. This should stop and they should enage in a more civilized society.
"
HonestAbe wrote on Sep 30, 2007 10:37 AM:
" As well you said ""Regardless who says what"" ... it's not that way, otherwise you wouldn't be posting, opinions matter. The handouts have to stop, that war was over 30 years ago, why are any still there? That's what I say. "
HonestAbe wrote on Sep 30, 2007 10:35 AM:
" hmongjustice, if they're not out of there by now, who's fault is it? Couldn't they have ran to a neighboring land for refuge? They CHOSE to stay where they are, up to now. I've seen some of the new laotions come in to this country, and they couldn't have even been born during the war, so get off it already. Take those high paying jobs the tax payers help you get, and help those in your homeland yourself, Joe Taxpayer is sick of it. Step up and help yourself, your entitlement is long expired. My opinion may change if I heard of some laotions enlisted in the current wars. "
hmongjustice wrote on Sep 30, 2007 3:38 AM:
" Regardless who says what, the fact the matter is that there were 35,000 Hmong soldiers were killed in Laos while 58,000 American soldiers were killed in Vietnam during the Vietnam War. According to Touby Ruth, a congressman in WI during a Human Right Conference in Green Bay, WI in 1991, he said "without the help from the Hmong the U.S. casualty would be up to 360,000 instead of 58,000." Ask youself, how many lives of the American soldiers the Hmong have saved already? Now Hmong simply want the U.S. to help save their left over soldiers who sided with the U.S. during the Vietnam War and still trapped in the jungle for Laos and those who successfully escaped to Thailand and nothing more. Hmong feel that they are equally important to the American soldiers who were missing in action in Laos and Vietnam. "
HonestAbe wrote on Sep 29, 2007 10:13 PM:
" askalano, I am educated on it, and don't need some stupid link. We never agreed to take on ALLLLLLLLLLLLL the hmong people for generations to come, it was spelled out to help those that did fight with us, and their immediate families, period. Why are there any hmong still in Laos? If they haven't gotten out by now, who's fault is that? We in the US can't lend a helping hand to every one in the world, we can't even take care of things here at home anymore with big dollar bushy in office. (you misspelled onalaska backwards lol) "
askalano wrote on Sep 29, 2007 9:38 PM:
" At least the Hmong are coming in LEGALLY unlike some other darker skinned people...Mexicans!!! Did the Mexicans ever help us in a war??? Get rid of the illegals and we'll have plenty of room and help for all those that are in need that have helped us! I was once against Hmongs until I read how they actually did help the U.S. and paid a huge price after the U.S. abandoned them. Sad. Please follow this link to educate yourselves:
http://www.jefflindsay.com/Hmong_tragedy.html "
HmongsRsamart wrote on Sep 29, 2007 9:04 PM:
" I have to agree with what you have to say mongman. Some of us hmongs didn't have anything to do as far as being a part of helping the CIA fight the Lao communist. Most Americans don't know if we helped or not. If it's gonna benefit the hmong people, than why not say we helped even though only a few did and most didn't have a part in it. Why learn English? If we all learn English, than they won't make positions that only hmong people can do like interpret hmong. We find a way to help our people by finding a way for the government to help us. "
UScitizen wrote on Sep 29, 2007 6:35 PM:
" What is mean by American?...White?, Black? Yellow? Is citizenship the meaning of an ameircan? Doesn't matter what color your are, if you a citizen you can make a different in this country. you can choose to help or not to help is up to you. If we think helping people is the right thing....we should help them...if not we don't have too. "
mongman wrote on Sep 29, 2007 4:37 PM:
" The reasons US does not want to take the Hmong are :
1. they have too many children 5-15 a family and they tend to love wellfare.
2. they don't like to be self sufficient and always cry out for help.
3. about 50% of the hmong tend to stay on wellfare for decades
4. they tend to cry out aloud about helping the US back in the 70s which makes the americans get sick of hearing that part. Enough is enough of crying said the americans.
I alway agree with the thai gov't to send all of them home because if they don't they all will cross the river into thailand and how can thailand afford to feed them since thailand is not a rich nation themselv.
"
HmongsRsamart wrote on Sep 29, 2007 1:10 PM:
" Hmong peeple help they US so moch. Why can't the US help the Hmong peeple alettle bit? We help CIA, we die for CIA.
We were told that the US would take care of us but now they cut our income assistance. We have many childrent to feed. "
HonestAbe wrote on Sep 29, 2007 12:49 PM:
" not everything is republican / democrat b.s. ............ hate that when people try to pin everything as taking a side one way or the other. IM INDEPENDANT lol "
HonestAbe wrote on Sep 29, 2007 12:48 PM:
" *many - correction (wish there was an edit feature) "
banger wrote on Sep 29, 2007 12:47 PM:
" Mr. Kind's comment is typical of the negativism and anti-USA theme that permeates the Democratic party today. Political advisers have apparently sold democrats on the strategy that the best road to re-election is to bash the USA at every opportunity. "
HonestAbe wrote on Sep 29, 2007 12:46 PM:
" ""family strengthening coordinator"" unnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnreal that there is such a position. How man Vues and Vangs have died in our current wars? (I've heard of none) I see it as a badge of courage and appreciation to help those that helped you, and they've only helped themselves since they stepped off the plane. For you faint hearted, I may be biggoted and biased, deal with it...this is a spot of personal comments, and this is what these are. I'm sure as soon as some hmong sees these posts and whines to the Trib, they're going to get deleted. "
kvnmcg wrote on Sep 29, 2007 10:25 AM:
" The Vietnamese wanted us there as much as the Iraqis want us occupying their country now. We weren't in Vietnam to gain their freedom; we were thee to fight the "RED boogie man". And as in Iraq we were there under false pretenses, there it wasn’t WMDs but ie.The Gulf of Tonkin. Most of South Vietnam didn't even want us there. Sadly we (meaning GW Bush) didn’t learn anything from that war about occupying a country because we are in the same, if not worse, mess now. QUAGMIRE!! "
nana3 wrote on Sep 29, 2007 8:48 AM:
" Don't you people realize we are already in a war, trying to help our own country, thousands of American soldiers have lost their lives in this war and it still continues. The hmong people have been here long enough to learn how to HELP themselves, not to keep lookking for a helping hand from the government. We didn't fight the Vietnam war for our country, it was to help vietniamese people to gain their freedom. This country can no longer save the world. We have many american people living on the streets, many veterans with disabilities who need help too, but there isn't enough money to help everyone. "
kvnmcg wrote on Sep 29, 2007 8:18 AM:
" What ignorant, racist, bigoted statements by frde & scotty! Frde, if they spoke better English we should help them, but since they don't the US should ignore their plight? Scotty, should US soldiers dependents be denied benefits if their family is too large? If a whole race of people is discriminated against and killed because they aided the US in a war, then the US should help them by any means possible. "
frde wrote on Sep 29, 2007 7:15 AM:
" Maybe if they would bother to learn English,so that they could be understood,without a translator,we would be more willing to help. "Decades" is long enough to learn. "
scotty wrote on Sep 29, 2007 12:49 AM:
" You need to take it with a grain of salt, go back to Laos and face your fears, The U.S. govt can't help you anymore. They can support your wishes of 10-20 children, we cannot. "