wheels wrote on Oct 2, 2007 11:43 PM:
" Just a few observations- The difference between the gentle slope of the lakes in Madison and the drop off of the Miss., as well as current may be a difference. Older people have been complaining about younger generations since the begining of time, that will never change. If we were to poll the people who think it's a serial killer, how many are drinkers themselves? The denial systems employed personally are projected onto societal problems as well. "
Keep An Open Mind wrote on Oct 2, 2007 10:41 PM:
" To "The Shining" cont. The only person who knows what REALLY happened on that bridge is God and Chris. So unless you were there that night to witness everything...SHUT THE HELL UP! "
Keep An Open Mind wrote on Oct 2, 2007 10:40 PM:
" To "The Shining"...you are very ignorant. You need a reality and sensitivity check. You don't realize how much your words pierce through the people who knew him personally and for you to sit up here and speak on something you know nothing about, you sound not only dumb, but also as if you had something to do with it. "
extremeskier wrote on Oct 2, 2007 9:26 AM:
" Really seems like people are on here just bashing others. Especially you people who are 100% positive it was only alcohol yet you do nothing to show that it couldn't be otherwise. You sit here and attack people, but you attack the ones who aren't really making an argument...you are attacking them for making a statement...and attacking them by simply responding with another statement.
If you want to attack...attack those of us who have given you facts...and have formulated an argument. Rebut what we have given you. Show us that we are wrong...otherwise you have done nothing but prove a lack of intelligence. "
The Shining wrote on Oct 1, 2007 10:52 PM:
" Maybe people in Madison have enough brains to stay the heck away from water when they're drunk. Did you ever think of that? "
The Shining wrote on Oct 1, 2007 10:50 PM:
" No Melanie, YOU need to get real and face the facts. It's simply a case of another extremely drunk person falling into the river. Period. End of story. A lot of you people need a reality check. yeah I am sure that serial killer had just happened to be on the bridge and pushed the guy in. Please!!! Grow up already!!! "
onemom22 wrote on Oct 1, 2007 10:08 PM:
" Melanie22...if you read the update on the story, his uncle has accepted the fact. "
Melanie22 wrote on Oct 1, 2007 9:05 PM:
" Is it just a coincidence that Luke died the same exact day as Chris? Mindsoul...its pointless to even try to talk to these IDIOTS...they dont know him at all...we kno Chris wouldnt take his life. Everyone is so quick to blame alcohol,but if it were a relative of yours would u want to believe that? Wouldnt you want to do more investigating? All you IDIOTS need to GET REAL! "
ZZ wrote on Oct 1, 2007 9:05 PM:
" Give it a rest and move on and look down the page at cops & courts. "
extremeskier wrote on Oct 1, 2007 8:06 PM:
" You are right...others do drown. As fox news reports, a report, i believe, out of St Cloud State in Minn. showed there were other drownings ranging from Minnesota to Ohio. This was used to help show that LaCrosse isn't the only place they happen.
Well you look at the facts and how they really make the situation look. There have been just over 20 drowning by college aged men who had been drinking from 1997 to present. Just over 20 from Minn to Ohio yet 10 of those happen in the small city of LaCrosse (not Twin cities, madison, des moines, milwaukee, chicago, detroit or cleveland). How does that look now? "
country living wrote on Oct 1, 2007 7:56 PM:
" For those who wonder why ONLY La Crosse....It isnt! There are many other areas who have had drownings.
http://www.vanceholmes.com/court/trial_missing_students.html "
Keep an Open Mind wrote on Oct 1, 2007 7:40 PM:
" Stop making your own assumptions!!!!!!! Basically, the only theory I've learned from some of these ignorant people is that when a male in his 20's consumes alcohol, he wonders away and decides to fall in the lake...sounds stupid, right??
**R.I.P. Chris....cause some of these people won't allow you to. You will be truly missed and I hope the REAL TRUTH comes to light! "
HonestAbe wrote on Oct 1, 2007 7:39 PM:
" pjgall, pah-leez ... the FBI shuffled through some paperwork, they did no forensics themselves. If you look at paperwork that has misinformation and lacking facts, how can the truth be known? So, the FBI looked over paperwork written by Tech school graduates. Until they do their own study, and are present and visible at these happenings, who knows what the exact reason is. Get real. "
Keep an Open Mind wrote on Oct 1, 2007 7:39 PM:
" CONTINUED... Why won't La Crosse do something about this? Build a rail or a fence, set-up video cameras in the light posts...do something other than blame alcohol. I can remember La Crosse police issued a statement about Luke Homan, stating there was no foul play suspected, and they hadn't even found his body yet. Then they assumed Chris was a student at La Crosse who had been drinking before falling to his death, and his name wasn't even released yet nor the autopsy results. "
Keep an Open Mind wrote on Oct 1, 2007 7:38 PM:
" I couldn't agree more with "extremeskier." Why can't these people in La Crosse at least take into consideration that it may not just be alcohol that are causing these young men to mysteriously fall into the lake. It seems like they are trying to cover things up right along with the cops. Just a thought. This happens all to often and many people feel the same way. Maybe people who are against the idea of there being more to this story than just alcohol can't relate because they haven't lost someone close to them due to this similar situation. I wonder if you guys would be singing the same song if you lost a family member/friend due to them drowning in La Crosse and then had to read all of these negative thoughts about that person by people who have never met them???? "
pondering wrote on Oct 1, 2007 7:24 PM:
" I think the family should ask the LAX PD questions about who this young man was with. There is a drinking problem in WI, but I think it is a little too coincidental that this happened again during Oktoberfest. I was in Madison after a football game and saw college age and people much older that could not walk, yet no drownings were reported there. Rather than the LAX PD leading the investigation, they should step aside and let another team of investigators have this one. It might be the only way to get their credibility secure. "
tell-it-like-it-is wrote on Oct 1, 2007 7:18 PM:
" I would like to say that the rude and inconsiderate remarks REALLY need to stop. Whatever the situation- this is a time of mourning- NOT pointing blame.
For the ignorant ppl who continue make negative comments, OBVIOUSLY didnt know him and should keep there assumptions to themselves.
He was a marine-which means that he was serving this country that YOU live in. He was a fun, and loving son, brother, uncle and friend and will be dearly missed.
So before you try to pass judgement on someone, stick to the facts and what you know, not what you think. He can only be judge one and one only...Not you, not the press, BUT GOD!!!! So if you dont have anything nice to say.........PLEASE DONT SAY IT AT ALL!!!!!!! "
MtLaX13 wrote on Oct 1, 2007 6:57 PM:
" What Americans need to realize is that teenagers and college students are going to drink eventually, why not educate them early on? When will Americans see our problems lie in the lack of education, not at the bars, not at the Oktoberfest grounds, not in the fridges of college students across America? "
MtLaX13 wrote on Oct 1, 2007 6:57 PM:
" All D.A.R.E and health class taught me was that alcohol and drugs are bad—do not use them. What happens when 18 year olds get to college? Let their alcohol education begin—out of sight of parents and all previously authoritative figures. I currently attend a dry-campus-college known for our international studies, yet our approach to drinking mirrors the standoffish American approach. Students still drink, some more than others, but our dry-campus policy allows most people to turn a blind eye. "
MtLaX13 wrote on Oct 1, 2007 6:56 PM:
" First off, I want to extend my condolences to the victim’s family and friends. As for my comments, they relate to Americans and our hands-off approach regarding alcohol. I have traveled around the world and I have never experienced a drinking culture quite like the US. When I studied abroad in Germany, I was exposed to drinking at the age of 16. I drank with other 16 year olds, but I also drank with adults of all ages, including my host-parents. My host parents were very involved in my life and my host-sister’s life. Yes, Germans begin drinking at a young age, but they are gradually introduced to drinking culture; all the while, their parents monitor them. I am a product of the La Crosse school district and its alcohol/drug education. "
zamice wrote on Oct 1, 2007 6:35 PM:
" Personal responsibility! I also think that at a time like Oktoberfest the ones who dont drink often and have a low tolerance for alcohol are in most danger of hurting themselves. Though I dont know this man I bet he was a great person and an excellent marine, but we can also remember people like the Attorney General getting a DWI. People make mistakes and sometimes cost them not only their lives, but their whole lively hood all together. I've lived here in La Crosse most of my life and it's very easy to get caught up in the party whether or not you drink alot or dont drink alot. "
extremeskier wrote on Oct 1, 2007 6:25 PM:
" continued again...it would seem we should look into all the possibilities. Instead of blaming alcohol on everything and cleaning our hands of the issue...maybe the city should allow someone to investigate. Maybe the state should send an investigation team to do something more than just read papers...maybe the federal government should send someone. Who knows what...but don't be so ignorant to believe that alcohol is the only possibility. So many people claim they went to school in LaCrosse...maybe someone should use their ability to reason and realize something more could be going on. "
extremeskier wrote on Oct 1, 2007 6:22 PM:
" continued from one lower...
Seems like Dubuque is similar to LaCrosse right. Oh but Dubuque consumers more alcohol per person than any other place in the country and in 2004 they were only second in the studied world to a town in Germany. But there aren't people dying at all their festivals. Seems like it only happens in LaCrosse. Not in the twin cities were many campuses and bars are near the river. Not in Milwaukee were many places are on the river. Not in Davenport, or St Louis, or Chicago, or Green Bay, or Eau Claire, or Madison...it happens in LaCrosse. Fox news wanted to look into what is happening and they were told not to come by LaCrosse. CNN wanted to do something but LaCrosse didn't want to comment except to say all the accidents are unfortunate. "
patrioticamerican wrote on Oct 1, 2007 6:19 PM:
" kbg23...I'm not advocating they stop the drinking. I realize the "fest" benefits from alcohol sales. I enjoy beer as much as anyone else and appreciate kids being kids. However, there are a lot of elements to Oktoberfest from the luncheons during the week, the dinners, the pancake breakfasts, the carnival rides, live entertainment, the parade, and medallion hunt that aren't all about drinking. My family really enjoys some of these events. There is no reason to cancel the celebration because of this past weekend’s tragic event. "
extremeskier wrote on Oct 1, 2007 6:18 PM:
" I'm sorry, but I need to chime in here. Why does everyone assume automatically that there isn't a criminal act taking place in these instances? Just because the police in LaCrosse want to cover their butts by saying it is all accidental? Because the FBI happened to look at a few papers the LaCrosse police typed up saying there is nothing going on? Because people want to blame everything on alcohol? Sure it all seems simple like that, but shouldn't we look at other areas. I went to college in Dubuque and have only heard of one case of this happening down there. That is right on the river...the hill is a lot steeper going to the river...and there are also 4 colleges, 2 tech schools and a beauty school. "
laxstudent wrote on Oct 1, 2007 5:16 PM:
" So maybe stop blaming the bars as much as you do. We are not trying to kill people or even get them so intoxicated they don't know what they're doing. Do you have any idea how much people drink before they even come downtown? Yes, alcohol MAY be the problem, but the bars(for the most part) are not. "
laxstudent wrote on Oct 1, 2007 5:13 PM:
" To s.o.s. You may blame the city of La Crosse all you want and the kids that drink in the bars as well. However, I am a college student/bartender in La Crosse and have worked downtwon for more than one Oktoberfest. When i became a bartender in Lax I was required to go through responsible serving classes. I have a bartender's license (that has actually been checked by the cops a few times) and will not hesitate to cut somebody off. Oh yeah, and I have cut off just as many "adults" as college kids, believe it or not. "
kbg23 wrote on Oct 1, 2007 5:11 PM:
" Since when can't college kids be kids? Is there a reason that college kids of legal drinking age can't go out and have fun at bars? Since when did this become such a big deal? i can bet you about 95% of them are NOT alcoholics but simply go out and party with their friends. Most of them probably graduate, get a job and not partake in that behavior any longer. Thats why its called BEING YOUNG. Have all you 40-50 hypocrites that are posting in here forgotten what you did when you were 18-25? RIGHT. It's about responsibility - I feel bad that this happened but this isn't a regular occurrence. Some where along the line, someone mad a bad decision or something happened that no one can control. "
abs29 wrote on Oct 1, 2007 5:09 PM:
" I just graduated from UW-L, so I am in this generation everyone is talking about. Although I would not group myself among the young stupid irresponsible generation, I can easily see why others think so badly of them. I spent my college years shaking my head at the ignorance and stupidity of my classmates. Go ahead and make your assumptions...most of them are right! Not all of us are like that...but yes most are! "
kbg23 wrote on Oct 1, 2007 5:04 PM:
" RE: patrioticamerican
Yeah sure - lets try making it more "family friendly" and see how well that turns out. I can guarantee you that you and your kids aren't the ones brining in the Oktoberfest profits. Without alcohol, Oktoberfest wouldn't exist. "
CoolCC wrote on Oct 1, 2007 4:52 PM:
" Alcohol is legal, Marijuana is illegal, sex is legal, and sometimes these things don't make much sense (since no one has ever overdosed on pot before). But as a society we must be PROACTIVE about educating our children, so that they can then make "right" actions. Therefore we won't have as many "un-wanted babies," abortions, drug related crime/death, and less people dead on Sunday morning of Ocktoberfest. Please read "Buzzed" by Wilson & Foster. It will help you and yours. PLEASE.
Thank you. "
CoolCC wrote on Oct 1, 2007 4:51 PM:
" Have we not learned that this is the reason people are addicted bad to drugs (meth), abuse alcohol, and nearly half of the whole population will have an STI (Sexually-Transmitted Infection)sometime in their life. We need not ignore these problems. Go home talk to your kid (adult or not) and make sure they "know" about alcohol, drugs and sex.
And by "know" I mean the whole story. Like Alcohol is a great intoxicant in a casual setting with friends, if you drink too much you could die (Alcohol Poisoning), if you drive under the influence, you may hurt yourself, hurt another person, get a ticket, be unable to drive. Give people the correct tools to make decisions. "
CoolCC wrote on Oct 1, 2007 4:50 PM:
" In general, our society sets up "taboo subjects," drugs, alcohol and sex. Now you can also add to the list, mental illnesses and sexually-transmitted infections. Because these topics are "taboo" they are automatically hush-hush and usually not talked about. Therefore kids (young and old, 9 years old to 23 years old) are not fully/completely informed about the substances (alcohol, meth, sex, etc.) or the good/bad outcomes of their using these substances. Instead we tell kids that alcohol is bad and not to drink it, drugs are also bad, and "just say no," we also teach our children ABSTINENCE ONLY EDUCATION. Sick. "
CoolCC wrote on Oct 1, 2007 4:48 PM:
" I was actually on that bridge at about 12:30am that same night, on my way to the Pettibone Resort. It would have been very tough to fall off the side and into the river. My friend and I were actually stopped my local police officers and asked if we were okay. We were, they offered us a ride, but the walkway was too far from the road and "no thanks." We walked back to the campground safely and later heard all the comotion on the bridge and in the water.
"
CoolCC wrote on Oct 1, 2007 4:47 PM:
" Alright now.
Most medical studies are incorrect and usually swayed in some way. Therefore studies on secondhand smoke, La Crosse having the largest "drinking problem," and so on and so forth are usually misleading, don't believe everthing printed or published.
"
Uncle Vegas wrote on Oct 1, 2007 4:45 PM:
" It's not about defending my nephews actions it's about educating people on what he was really about. Our destiny's are predetermined and my nephew was placed here for a specific amount of time to accomplish specifcic missions. One of those missions was to defend all of us through his service as a US Marine.Thanks to all of you that support our family. It's unfortunate that many of you are so careless with your words... May God Bless you all any way. "
laxstudent wrote on Oct 1, 2007 4:38 PM:
" To "..." His uncle was saying his nephew was no drunk-as in not an alcoholic. You know, I'm a La Crosse student and I picked that up all by myself. Oh yeah, and I'm sober! Weird, right? Maybe not all students that go to UWL are alcoholics like people seem to think. Yes, we do have a party reputation, but that does not give any adult the right to lump us all in a group of college-aged alcoholics. "
DutchBoy wrote on Oct 1, 2007 4:30 PM:
" This is easy to figure out, this kid, like the others by the River or the two girls on bluff, encounters a person "of authority" to throws them into the river or off the bluff. It gets blamed on alcohol. The woman in the story probably spooked the perp, so in panic, he tossed the guy over the rail (looked like jumping), than snuck off while near-by people looked for the victim. "
patrioticamerican wrote on Oct 1, 2007 4:06 PM:
" pjgall.. As far as I'm concerned, there is nothing else to do other than believe it's all drinking related and lecture the kids on being careful. I'm no conspiracy theorist. I'll take the FBI's findings that based on the detective work by the Lax PD that there was no evidence to support foul play. That is where it stands today unless evidence is discovered to support foul play. The prudent thing to do is remind kids to drink smart and watch each others' backs. However, with all that said, it doesn't mean that foul play is not involved. Stop telling people that something has not taken place when you cannot prove that it didn't. Keep your mind open. That way you will not have to eat crow one day. "
patrioticamerican wrote on Oct 1, 2007 3:45 PM:
" I along with my family and children enjoyed Oktoberfest on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. This weekend I did not have one drink of alcohol. Oktoberfest isn't the problem. There is no need to ban the celebration, yet they could do more to make it more family friendly and take some of the emphasis off drinking. Take the opportunity with your children to lead by example. Don't make fools of yourselves and overindulge. Enjoy your beer and have a good time. Make it clear only the infantile drink to get drunk and it isn't acceptable behavior. "
s.o.s. wrote on Oct 1, 2007 3:41 PM:
" The city of La Crosse! It is time to change your attitude so these kids in La Crosse can start switching their focus from drinking to studying! Do not any of you have kids? Have you been down there and seen what downtown looks like during these "festivities"? It is a shame the City of La Crosse! Who are all these bars in La Crosse for? It is obvious that they target YOUNG KIDS and STUDENTs! If young students are viewed to be so irresponsible why do they get served alcohol at each corner of the city? No town should have this many bars and especially a college town! Shame on you the City of La Crosse! "
pjgall wrote on Oct 1, 2007 3:23 PM:
" to patrioticamerican:
Lax PD showed prudence when they gave the information to the FBI to try and link the deaths together. The FBI's conclusion: No killer.
You talk about how people have to keep an open mind to the possibilities but yet you fail to mention the FBI investigation saying there is nothing "fishy" going on.
Take your conspiracy stories elsewhere. "
mindsoul wrote on Oct 1, 2007 3:09 PM:
"
To 002 I'm not saying that they train you while your drunk, or they make you be drunk. But I've spoken with every marine I know, my father my best friend and some others (and I know its not Chris but I just wanted their thoughts on the situation and how they felt being a fellow trained marine) about what happened, and they all said being drunk has never interfered with their natural reaction to survive. I mean the man used to ALWAYS school me on drinking, and to be safe.. So just TO ME, what happened isn't adding up. Maybe I'm just being naive or me mourning the loss is clouding my better judgment, but I can't believe.) Now if when the results of what really happen come back and thats how it truly is then I will accept...but as of right now, I won't.
"
shane wrote on Oct 1, 2007 3:03 PM:
" What is considered a successful oktoberfest opening weekend? Is only one death considered a success? When will Lacrosse get a clue and not have oktoberfest anymore? I know it brings so much money into the community but in my opinion it is just not worth losing somebody every year. You read about wisconsins drinking problem all the time in the tribune but Lacrosse promotes binge drinking with oktoberfest. It will never be a family oriented festival. Get a clue... "
Uncle Vegas wrote on Oct 1, 2007 2:56 PM:
" This young man had promise, he may have been drinking but beleive me he was no drunk and surely nothing to joke and squable about.My nephew was our family's future! May God Bless all that were touched by this young soldier, my nephew, Christopher Melancon. A man of integrity, humility and courage. May he rest in peace.... for we all know that The Good Die Young...
"
Uncle Vegas wrote on Oct 1, 2007 2:55 PM:
" Let me be the first to say that I am stunned that you people view the death of my oldest nephew as so trivial that you bicker about it as though he is insignificant! This young man was a greathuman being with a brighter future than probably most of you have. He was a marine who fought for this country in Iraq while others of you sat on your thumbs trivializing real life events that effect real people. As a sworn peace officer for over 14 years, I am ashamed of the statements that Police Chief Ed Kondracki made, which minimized the impact of this sequence of events upon our family... "
patrioticamerican wrote on Oct 1, 2007 2:42 PM:
" Oh and BTW...if there is something sinister to these drowning, the police may have a lot of explaining to do. I don't mind them telling us there is no evidence to support foul play but they have been belligerent that alcohol is the culprit and it is absolutely not foul play. Like I said, keep an open mind. "
kevin wrote on Oct 1, 2007 2:40 PM:
" Re doctor9: Nice discussion points. 'Rational' from my perspective implies fact driven, which there seem be none published, other than a fellow fell in the river and is now dead. An assumption could be made that because there was a fest in progress that this fellow was over indulging. Not sure though if that is a rational assumption or just a hasty conclusion. If the woman was the serial killer and she is only 20ish how does her age correlate to her participation in the first few deaths? If there was another serial killer, why didn't she see that person at the scene, if she saw the person fall? "
patrioticamerican wrote on Oct 1, 2007 2:28 PM:
" I think everyone should keep an open mind. Clearly, in all of the past drowning, the victims put themselves in a position where something bad could happen to them. Call it Al C. Ohol if you wish. But it also may be more than that. While the evidence may not support foul play, I think prudence demands that we consider all possibilities. The number of drowning the past 10 years is unusual. As someone mentioned, UW-Madison is surrounded by water. You actually have to cross the river to get back to campus from the bars at UW-Eau Claire. Meanwhile, I suggest everyone drink and behave responsibly. It's been proven; you can't count on barriers to the river, student watch, or the police to ultimately keep oneself safe. That falls to us individually. Apparently your life depends upon it. "
doctor9 wrote on Oct 1, 2007 2:12 PM:
" In response to Kevin's request for rational information: The police do not need to publish BAC information for John Q. Public to assume that the man was drunk when he hit the water. If they publish that he was stone cold sober, then THAT would be surprising. Perhaps you're unaware of the number of arrests for drunkenness were made during Oktoberfest, a festival where heavy drinking is not just present, but prevalent. Rationally speaking, it's safe to assume he was drunk. If you want to speak from a legal "innocent-until-proven-guilty" sort of viewpoint, that's fine, but it's not what you asked for. You wanted RATIONAL information. "
V.O.R. wrote on Oct 1, 2007 1:52 PM:
" Excellent point(s) Kevin at 1:40 "
s.o.s. wrote on Oct 1, 2007 1:50 PM:
" To you Wiseup who thinks there is far less bars in La Crosse then it used to be:
citation:
With 15,000 college students accounting for nearly 20% of it’s population, home to the “World’s Largest 6-Pack”and Guinness Book of World Record recipient for most bars per capita in one city block; The La Crosse Police couldn’t rely on traditional enforcement efforts to control an escalating binge drinking problem... "
kevin wrote on Oct 1, 2007 1:40 PM:
" I'll try again here so far none of the bloggers have posted any rational information: Where do people get their information? The police have not published any BAC information, where does the alcohol involvement theory even come from? Where does the marine information originate? How old was the woman that was on the bridge? How does anyone know she went into the river after the victim? If there was a serial killer why wouldn't she have seen the serial killer? If he was a 'trained-marine' and not drunk why couldn't he defend himself? Where do all these conspiracy theories come from? "
s.o.s. wrote on Oct 1, 2007 1:31 PM:
" Uups...I meant .. in La Crosse Tribune "
s.o.s. wrote on Oct 1, 2007 1:30 PM:
" Why don't you just Google up river deaths related comments posted in Star Tribune each year and copy paste them in here to save some time... " "
interesting... wrote on Oct 1, 2007 1:03 PM:
" why are there not drownings in madison which is surrounded by lakes.....and bars "
inkycat wrote on Oct 1, 2007 12:56 PM:
" Gone are the days of throwing beer and waking up to "god knows who" sleeping on your lawn. It seems like the drinking was just as bad many decades ago, but I don't remember hearing stories of people drowning. What "IS" the trigger that has caused the increase in the last decade? "
Wisconsinite wrote on Oct 1, 2007 12:50 PM:
" TOO MANY DEATHS, not to question serial killer. Thought it "fishy" when I live in LaCrosse, it's still going on. Why only males? why drowning and not hit by vehicle? why not over 50 years old? Most times the victim is alone, true? why not a serial killer? If there is a killer, when is it going to stop? Thought: With all the drunks wandering around, why are they NOT BEING HIT BY CARS? and why are they always on foot, not in cars? If it happens AGAIN next year, better open your eyes. The majority of people seem to think there is a killer. Doesn't majority rule? "
002 wrote on Oct 1, 2007 12:49 PM:
" To: Mind Soul
I understand from your comments he was a trained Marine and I appreciate his service. I wonder though if they train Marines to survive falls of bridges and perhaps while intoxicated. Just a thought. "
zamice wrote on Oct 1, 2007 12:39 PM:
" oh, and as far as it being implied as a serial...why would anyone waste their time pushing someone off a bridge when there is a good chance they wouldnt die from the fall? If he lives he becomes an eye witness. It was an accident plain and simple. no disrespect meant in this next statement, and even if he was intoxicated... I've never heard that if your military and drinking that your sense of balance and judgment are better than a non military drinker. "
LACROSSE RES wrote on Oct 1, 2007 12:36 PM:
" I would first like to say to the friends and family members of this man, I am sorry for your loss. Secondly, I would just like to add that I do believe that Al C. Ohol is the person in question, however, I think you should look at the big picture and find his partner Ser I. Al!!!!!! "
zamice wrote on Oct 1, 2007 12:21 PM:
" I am a bartender in LaCrosse. I was working during the day on saturday. I refused service to about 1/2 dozen over intoxicated people before 3pm. I dont think there is any reason for the city or anyone to have to make things safer near the river or bridge when it should clearly be self responsibility. People travel to this city during Oktoberfest just for the fact of it being a huge drinking party. Start drinking at 10am and it could be bad news for yourself... not what is the city going to do about these drownings. "
wiseup wrote on Oct 1, 2007 12:17 PM:
" To sos, you could NOT be further from the truth. First, so far alcohol has NOT been proven to have anything to do with this victim's death. Second, there is a moratorium on downtown bars~ NO MORE ALLOWED. Third, the number of liquor licenses for bars is way DOWN from where it was in the 60's. No more Macamba Club, 4 seasons, Valentino's and most of the mom and pop's ARE GONE! There is not one liquor store left in LaCrosse County. Put aside your obvious bias and face facts. "
kbg23 wrote on Oct 1, 2007 12:02 PM:
" RE: abs29
No, it doesn't bother me that the city is "hypocritical" because the CITY is NOT repsonsible for me. The major should be able to tap the Golden Keg and have a drink - is that against the law? He doesn't tell everyone else to drink the whole keg does he? How ridiculous that no one can take responsibility for themselves. "
neo32679 wrote on Oct 1, 2007 11:58 AM:
" O.K. first sorry to the family and friends of this gentleman. But I do have to raise the question why every one is dismissing the serial killer theory. I'm not saying IT IS, I'm just saying the theory should remain. first of all pertaining to witnesses there was apparently 1 witness that saw him "jump/fall" also at petibone they heard the splash so again 1 person who witnessed it maybe covering? I don't really know nor do I claim to I just think that the questions have not all been answered. (oh yeah I hear if you don't blame alcohol your post gets pulled so alcohol did it) "
Bill O'Reilly wrote on Oct 1, 2007 11:57 AM:
" Believe me Katie you are one of the few exceptions and not the rule. I remember when I was 23 and thought I knew everything. Give it a few more years and then look back at these kids (your age now) The problem is getting worse not better. I guess you will have to forgive me if I speaks in generalizations but if this generation were a crate of apples I would throw away the entire crate. I love speaking with fellow employers about you clowns that apply for jobs. Most have a wrap sheet a mile long, have tatoos from head to to and want inflated starting wages and pay raises just for showing up 10 minutes late everyday. "
s.o.s. wrote on Oct 1, 2007 11:50 AM:
" To Swanee:
I should not have said "building". You are right! The city does not build bars! The city encourages! Where 10 years ago used to be antique shops are now bars. And who do these bars get licenses from? The schools? churches? parents of these kids? "
Katie wrote on Oct 1, 2007 11:36 AM:
" Before anyone bites my head off- yes I had a typo. I meant prejudice. "
Katie wrote on Oct 1, 2007 11:35 AM:
" Bill O'Reilly- Talk about being judgemental! Thanks for blaming my generation for all the problems the world has! You cannot judge an entire group of people based off of how a few of them act. Otherwise, I could blame the baby boomers for helping to spread AIDS (Free love anyone?) and for making acid a fun pasttime. I am 23, I work full time plus two part time jobs. I also volunteer quite a bit in the area. I've never done drugs or committed a crime- and guess what- There are a lot more people like me out there! You're about as prejugudice as they come aren't you? "
heavy hitter wrote on Oct 1, 2007 11:27 AM:
" wow. looks like if you don't blame this on alcohol your posts get pulled. nice. the beer must have made him fly over a four foot barrier. is that better? "
Bill O'Reilly wrote on Oct 1, 2007 11:09 AM:
" Re: mindsoul Do you live in a box? How about the DA that got caught with pot. The neighbor that everyone loved with kiddie porn on his computer. You don't ever really know anyone or what they are capable of. "
mindsoul wrote on Oct 1, 2007 11:05 AM:
" I am very disturbed by this article seriously. A lot of you are making judgments on him without KNOWING HIM. I knew Him and was very close with him, and I can tell you there is NO way, and I mean NOOOOOOOOO WAY possible that he would have "jumped" off the bridge. Like RIPCBM previously stated he was a Trained marine, who endured more harsh water training then this. He was trained to survive. I just don't believe this was an accident. I just can't. And to whoever stated why are we strickin out the possbility of suicide, that hurts. Don't speak on matters you know nothing of. "
s.o.s. wrote on Oct 1, 2007 11:02 AM:
" Do not blame the parents! Every one of us have been drunk at least once regardless what kind of parents we have. All parents in the entire world would have to be irresponsible then. My parents have never drunk or encouraged drinking and I can not say I have never gotten drunk. Many parents have done everything they could. The only thing they could not do is to prevent all of these bars from serving their kids alcohol endlessly. "
Bill O'Reilly wrote on Oct 1, 2007 11:02 AM:
" RE: uwl76 I totally agree with docotor 9. Take your vonlunteer hours elsewhere kiddies. Your efforts are like trying secure our mexican border. Get a job with border patrol or Per Mar if you like security jobs! If it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy...then keep up the great work. Better fire the guy or gal on duty the other night though! "
Swanee wrote on Oct 1, 2007 11:02 AM:
" To s.o.s: You say the city keeps building more and more bars. Where are these bars you speak of?!? "
abs29 wrote on Oct 1, 2007 10:52 AM:
" I agree that personal responsibility is what everything comes down to, but doesn't it bother you how hypocritical the city is? The mayor speaks out on drinking, yet he is there tapping the golden keg early in the morning. For the family of the man, my thoughts and prayers go out to you. Let's not all jump to conclusions before we know all the details. "
doctor9 wrote on Oct 1, 2007 10:50 AM:
" To: uwl76
You say that there have been numerous instances where the volunteers in the park have turned people away from the river. Would you have us believe that EVERY person they've turned away would have drowned? Or that every drowing victim has entered the river at Riverside Park, where they hang out? The facts of these cases, including the number of drowning deaths per year, I would call YOUR logic severely flawed. I will grant that these volunteers have good intentions, but their efforts are WASTED and INEFFECTUAL, and this latest death backs my statement up. "
lax29 wrote on Oct 1, 2007 10:46 AM:
" What is scary is that you are trying to put 100% of the blame on us. NO blame on the parents and how they raise their kids. We think that we do no wrong because we are not being held responsible the way we should be. I agree that we are adults and need to make the right decisions but stop putting the blame on us 100%. "
s.o.s. wrote on Oct 1, 2007 10:40 AM:
" In schools, at homes, in churches, everywhere people work hard on discouraging young kids from drinking. What does the city of La Crosse do? Builds more and more bars every year! Open your mouth who does not agree with me!!!I do not think there is one single person among you all who has not gotten drank at least once in your life and needed someone else's help. What if it happened only once! Does it mean you are an irresponsible person and it would be OK if you had died? What kind of people are you who say that? Most of these young man were successful students and athletes. This is what alcohol does to people so why not to stop it! "
Bill O'Reilly wrote on Oct 1, 2007 10:36 AM:
" Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD), is defined as a mental illness primarily characterized by extreme focus on oneself, and is a maladaptive, rigid, and persistent condition that may cause significant distress and functional impairment. Mix that with some booze and you got dead bodies in the river. This is why I hate going out in public. ME ME ME mentality. My kids can do no wrong! I have learned to avoid all college age kids. Look around folks...These kids are our future...Very Scary isn't it! "
tsc wrote on Oct 1, 2007 10:23 AM:
" I agree with kbj23 and 002. This is not the fault of LaCrosse. Every town in this state (big or small) has some type of annual festival, and what is one of the main attractions? A beer tent! You can't blame the city or the organizers of the festivals for the choices people make. If you drink excessively, there can be consequences. The fact that they choose to drink excessively is simply poor judgement. There are plenty of people who attend these fests who don't get falling down drunk and drown in the river. Wise up people. "
s.o.s. wrote on Oct 1, 2007 10:15 AM:
" Alcohol is the main reason why all of these young man died. Alcohol is a very unpredictable substance. One minute you think you are fine and another you are laying on the floor dead. Many of these kids are too young to understand this horrible danger! 1/2 of the bars in La Crosse would go bankrupt if there were no college students in La Crosse. The city keeps building more and more bars in La Crosse so kids have more places to go to and drink! It is disgusting! All that the city cares about is how to pull more money from the pockets of these young students and then blames the kids for being irresponsible. It makes me sick! Who cares about kids dying later? People who give all of these bars licenses should be held responsible... "
ripCBM wrote on Oct 1, 2007 10:10 AM:
" HE NEVER WOULD HAVE JUMPED THATS NOT HIM! HE WAS A US MARINE, HE WAS TRAINED TO SURVIVE... HE WAS NOT A COLLEGE STUDENT... THIS ARTICLE HAS INCORRECT INFORMATION... DONT JUDGE HIM... RIP! I LOVE YOU SO MUCH! "
??? wrote on Oct 1, 2007 10:01 AM:
" (...) I hope you not serious...there is no way they river watch group could have seen this man. This group has been doing an amazing job. They dont have to be out there saving lives, but they do it anyway. So instead of bashing them you should be thanking them "
Over21 wrote on Oct 1, 2007 9:51 AM:
" Three reasons that this will continue to happen unless behavior and attitudes changes, are 1) excessive alchol, 2) "It won't happen to me" attitude, 3) there are studies that identify this generation as the most narcissistic in history. Until they lose the, "it's all about me" attitude, how are they going to care enough to watch out for each other? "
uwl76 wrote on Oct 1, 2007 9:31 AM:
" RE: Doctor9
You say the volunteers at the park didn't save this man like its pointless for them to be there. There have been numerous instances where the students volunteering have turned people away from the river. This man was nearly across the river, at 1:30 in the morning the volunteers at Operation River Watch wouldn't have even been able to see him from where they were. They are doing an excellent job and should be commended for not letting one person in the river since Luke went in. "
anablic wrote on Oct 1, 2007 9:29 AM:
" This doesn't just happen in La Crosse. One thing that makes it different from some other river towns is the immediate depth/current of the water near the walkways. New Orleans is a huge party area on the river, but they have few drownings as the river slopes in. You'd REALLY have to try to drown. Savannah, GA on the other hand has frequent river drownings as well as their main part street is right on the river and it drops in deep and strong as well. Then again, the female vampire cop theory is a lot more fun. "
V.O.R. wrote on Oct 1, 2007 9:23 AM:
" In any case, no matter what the circumstances. There is a problem. I'm not blaming La Crosse or Oktoberfest. Even though i do blame the individuals for making poor decisions, I don't want to dwell on that now. **** What i am calling for is more government. That is the only way this problem can be solved. We need more government, more programs, more positions, more committees and most of all - higher taxes **** (note sarcasm) "
goofygurl156 wrote on Oct 1, 2007 9:16 AM:
" Do you guys ever get sick of saying the same thing over and over!!! We live by water its bound to happen. "
Swanee wrote on Oct 1, 2007 9:16 AM:
" Have any of you thought about the safety railing on the bridge? You can't just lose your balance and fall in the river. How about waiting for the rest of the details before bashing La Crosse?!? And shame on you Tribune, immediately comparing this to the other cases and fueling the hysteria! "
LAXGIRL wrote on Oct 1, 2007 9:04 AM:
" On Saturday night, we were on our way to the new Festival Foods and we drove near downtown. We saw a 45-50ish year old woman that could not walk by herself being nearly carried by her one-gloved husband to their suv, and strapped in the backseat, kicking and mouthing off. I am sure he had a fun ride home. But, that being said...he didn't leave her...he made sure that he got her home safely. "
blessed wrote on Oct 1, 2007 9:00 AM:
" You people are so quick to make judgements... No one knows what happened and none of you know him. Just because all the rest of the crazys are drunk in Lacrosse doesnt mean that he was. He was a great guy, a responsible guy woh fought for his country. So please refrain from passing judgement, in this case cause he is responsible and a good friend. "
LAXGIRL wrote on Oct 1, 2007 8:59 AM:
" It was stated well in the La Crosse Tribune just on Saturday. A young man came all of the way from New Jersey and stated "I have never seen anything like it." People do come from all over and we do put out a great welcome mat. When these young kids come, especially, I think that they are coming all geared up ready to party. This is the big one. I don't know if this is what happened to this young man or not. "
002 wrote on Oct 1, 2007 8:58 AM:
" Quit blaming society, quit blaming serial killers, quit blaming La Crosse. The fact is, these kids make poor choices themselves; poor choices in drinking and poor choices in friends. If all of these kids die in the river because they're drunk, wouldn't your first obligation to yourself be to not get so wasted in the first place or to have a group of friends that say, "We will not leave each other alone, no matter what."
Sorry for his family, but it's his fault and nobody else is responsible. "
May16 wrote on Oct 1, 2007 8:57 AM:
" To ps2240, Oktoberfest did not kill these people, they killed themselves. "
V.O.R. wrote on Oct 1, 2007 8:49 AM:
" ps2240??? You're kidding right? Anyway, it will be interesting to get some background on this kid if possible. Were things not going well personally? "
ps2240 wrote on Oct 1, 2007 8:42 AM:
" Octoberfest has killed three or four ( was 10-10-97 during the fest?) people now. When Coon Valley's Canoe race was causing people to riot, they got rid of it. People are dying here so it sound like it is time to get rid of Octoberfest. "
doctor9 wrote on Oct 1, 2007 8:41 AM:
" Open note to the Alcohol Task Force, take note: There is a tall fence all along the Cass Street Bridge where this man jumped. A fence along Riverside Park will be equally ineffective, and an eyesore to tourists. It will only cost money and save NOTHING. The volunteers at the park did not save this man either. Wake up and redirect your efforts and money elsewhere, people. There are plenty of other problems that need your attention. Like it or not, this one comes down to Personal Responsibility. "
kbg23 wrote on Oct 1, 2007 8:38 AM:
" Why does everyone keep blaming the "City of La Crosse" for these problems and for "drinking problems"? Pretty sure there aren't any city officals pouring beer down my throat that I don't want. These are personal choices, we all make them and we all live with them. Stop looking for someone to blame. The city is making there money, adults should be responsible enough to live their own lifes. "
kbg23 wrote on Oct 1, 2007 8:35 AM:
" RE: Phil O'Bates
Doesn't sound to me like anyone was talking about smoking? Another chance to rant about how your bad habits don't hurt anyone? NEWS FLASH. They do - read some studies about second hand smoking, they kill more people then alcohol has in Lax in the last 15 years. Ever notice how these deaths usually aren't kids from La Crosse? Sorry, but the actions of one don't need to stand for the actions of the other thousands of people at Oktoberfest. Try taking alcohol out Oktoberfest and lets see what this towns profit is. Better yet - take the three colleges out of here and tell me what you have LEFT of a town. "
Katie wrote on Oct 1, 2007 8:34 AM:
" READ AGAIN: "When police arrived, they talked to a woman who said she had been walking on the bridge and saw the man fall from the bridge."
It's not impossible to be drunk and walk that far- I've seen people who are wasted and they still stumble quite a long way. My fiance was going to call (and pay for) a taxi for a girl we ran into by Viterbo. She was "walking home" to Onalaska, she was positive she was on the northside of La Crosse headed in the right direction (which was west). Nothing we could say would get her to wait until we could get a taxi for her. People DO NOT THINK when they are drunk. They make bad decisions and do things they normally would never do. Quit trying to find a scape goat in some "mysterious serial killer" "
V.O.R. wrote on Oct 1, 2007 8:29 AM:
" Were there any "black helicopters" flying around? "
springy wrote on Oct 1, 2007 8:20 AM:
" Here is the cold hard fact about La Crosse and all the drownings there: the drownings are a symptom of a CULTURAL problem La Crosse has. Let's see here....for a while La Crosse billed itself as having the world's largest 6-pack. La Crosse prided itself on having the brewery cranking out the liquor. La Crosse holds an annual "Octoberfest" celebration which is just another name for a public drinking binge. La Crosse prides itself on having the revitalized downtown area that just so happens to contain how many bars, taverns, and establishments that serve alcohol. Oh yeah...all this combined with a large college student population ideally situated near the bars and river. If you want to solve the drowning problems there, the citizens need to look in the mirror. Man, am I glad I don't live in La Crosse anymore. "
IAmRight wrote on Oct 1, 2007 7:46 AM:
" There are probably only a handful of nutjobs who are so far out of touch with reality that they really think there is a serial killer. Most people who bring up the serial killer are just trying to stir things up. "
somethings fishy wrote on Oct 1, 2007 7:04 AM:
" The problem isnt just a possible serial killer, or alcohol, there are other factors, such as an increase in students, good friends(are a thing of the past), the ideology that we cant handle pressures anymore, and self reliance. Kids today are charged with less responsibility than any other time in history. Its obvious to any adult who pays even a little attention to their behavior. I am saddened to read about another death, and my heart goes out to the family and friends. However, we should really cast a good glance at the way society acts as a whole, and then ask ourselves what really needs to change before we place blame anywhere. "
heavy hitter wrote on Oct 1, 2007 7:02 AM:
" i think d ray might be onto something. "
ACE wrote on Oct 1, 2007 6:41 AM:
" I suppose nobody suspected something like this would happen? I haven't looked on the second page of the Trib but i suspect there is a list of "drunk drivers". Welcome to La Crosse people, get over it and move on. "
D. Ray wrote on Oct 1, 2007 6:31 AM:
" Here's an idea: Let's reroute the main channel of the river to the west through the marsh along La Crescent. Then we drain the channel between Pettibone Park and downtown. Then we pave over the drained area solving two problems: no more drownings and a new north-south corridor. "
Bill O'Reilly wrote on Oct 1, 2007 6:04 AM:
" Its called thinning the hurd and survival of the fittest. "
choochoo wrote on Oct 1, 2007 6:02 AM:
" This is a comment blog. Why does everyone think they need to bash another person? We are entitled to our opinions. As far as bashing others because of our opinions, why not ask yourself, what can I do in this community to help make things better? How about it "the shining"? The rescue personnal have chosen to help people in need. If they didn't want to help others they would choose not to be in that job. Get it "the shining"? "
heavy hitter wrote on Oct 1, 2007 5:22 AM:
" one question. what kind of beer do they serve in la crosse? i've never had the kind that makes you jump in the water, i'd kind of like to try it. also, i wonder how he tripped and fell over a four foot guard rail. "
Wheezer wrote on Oct 1, 2007 5:21 AM:
" ONe eyewitness says he "jumped", another says he "fell". Patti, where did you read about some serial killer pushing him? Where did any of you see where the eyewitness's said he had help falling into the river?! You guys are making crap up to continue this darn "killer" theory, and it is getting old! Add alcohol=no common sense, off balance, POOR JUDGEMENT! Let's just call these what they are, ACCIDENTS/SUICIDE! "
inwisnow wrote on Oct 1, 2007 5:07 AM:
" WHYYYYYYYYYYY are they saying he drawns when he FELL off the the bridge. You cant fall off the bridge unless you really want to "FALL". How about saying suicide!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes I was downtown with sons and his friends and I babysat them. Saw lots of drunks and was really glad I was sober!!!! "
The Shining wrote on Oct 1, 2007 4:46 AM:
" Okay choochoo so if people are responsible for their own actions and are allowed to do what they want to do, that's fine and dandy. Next time when they fall in the river, Rescue Personnel shouldn't have to fish them out and waste tax payers money either. "
choochoo wrote on Oct 1, 2007 4:34 AM:
" That is their choice to drink with the possibility of anything happening. Let them do it. Let's not become Russia by controlling every move everyone makes, which Lacrosse is headed for. Pretty soon we will read the statistics, of the public intox. law, for the first weekend of octoberfest. That sure will be interesting to read those comments. Let people have fun and be responsiable for their own decisions. "
choochoo wrote on Oct 1, 2007 4:33 AM:
" Why doesn't any other town with colleges, and water, have the same problem? Lacrosse is no different than any other town with alcohol, other than the drownings. I have opinions about this subject too, but I don't believe the only problem is alcohol. I have continously asked about the energy drinks that these kids mix with alcohol. That is what keeps these young ones going. Or maybe the stay awake pills mixed with everything else. There are all kinds of things to consider, not just the alcohol. And everyone has made bad decisions in their life, whether it be with alcohol or not. Give young people a break. All these kids are adults and they know the what happens when you drink, you get drunk (mostly) and may do stupid things. "
HonestAbe wrote on Oct 1, 2007 4:29 AM:
" Eddie, your argument loses all credibility when you insult the person you are debating with ... only goes to prove what type of people want to slam the door shut on this, instead of continuing to explore all possibilities. If you can prove what is going on ,,, prove it ,,, and call the police, otherwise you just look like another anti-drinking, name calling, uncredible poster. (I'm not saying it is a serial event, I'm saying it CANNOT BE RULED OUT and anyone that is pointing their finger at one thing only is in denial) "
HonestAbe wrote on Oct 1, 2007 4:24 AM:
" The FBI "found no foul play or link between the victims." ... what you left out, is that they only went over the paperwork of the local cases, they did no field work to gain any forensic conclusion, or lack of conclusion. //////////
“It is their opinion that no evidence exists to support the conclusion that a serial offender has been targeting males in La Crosse,” Kondracki said ..... Correct Mr.Kondracki ,,, it is their opinion, and only their opinion, they have no forensic evidence to sway them either way, just paperwork. THERE IS NO CONCLUSION to point your finger at and say "that's the problem". How can you rule it out? "
Eddie wrote on Oct 1, 2007 4:24 AM:
" Pattie2460, yes, we DO have all the facts from the previous drownings, and those facts tell us rational people that there is NO serial killer. If you had any intelligence at all, you would cease your National Inquirer-style rambling and accept the fact that these young men are killing themselves by getting drunk and stupid. You have NO evidence of any kind to support your assertion. All you have is childishly irrational gossip. "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Oct 1, 2007 4:24 AM:
" This is a sad preventable tragedy. Will the city of LaCrosse distance itself from supporting a festival of drunkeness? I doubt it. But the city will probably continue to try to follow Minnesota's example of banning smoking. How many river drownings were ever caused by second hand smoke? How many car accidents were ever caused by second hand smoke? How many people have fallen off of the bluffs due to second hand smoke? Facts be darned, smoking is politically more dangerous then drinking. Sad, Sad, Sad. "
HonestAbe wrote on Oct 1, 2007 4:21 AM:
" You people that think it is alcohol and alcohol only ... sounds to me like you are against drinking, and would rather slam the door shut on the case as a whole, instead of keeping an open mind, and REALIZING it takes proof to discount something just as much as it does to prove it. There is no proof either way, and you wanting to just write it off to being drunk ... sounds too easy and self serving. I'm not saying I believe someone is harming people, I AM saying, it can't be ruled out, as any good cop should know, there are many angles to consider. "
vhawkbaseball wrote on Oct 1, 2007 3:58 AM:
" I'm not suggesting that it is anyone's fault that people make poor choices--but where do people learn how to make these choices? It is society as a whole that has obviously done a poor job of alcohol education altogether. Granted, individual choice will always supercede random info that people attempt to shove into your brain...but there is obviously a problem when, time and time again, neither we as a community nor a select handful of young kids grasp the concept of responsible behavior. We wait until tragedy to consider anything is wrong, and even worse, we fail to learn from that tragedy even after seeing it time and time again.
Alcohol is obviously the cause...what is to blame is our inability to perceive we are susceptible to danger from it--until it is too late. "
The Shining wrote on Oct 1, 2007 3:45 AM:
" What does La Crosse have to do? Should they build a 50 foot high wall along the river on both sides? Then build a 50 foot high wall all around Grandads Bluff too? Then what would peoples excuses be if someone did something to cause their own untimely death? Like the old saying goes "you can't cure stupid". "
The Shining wrote on Oct 1, 2007 3:42 AM:
" As long as people keep pouring the booze down their throats and getting near the river, these things will continue unimpeded. People need to start acting like adults. It seems like responsible behavior is in very short supply in the La Crosse area "
booger wrote on Oct 1, 2007 3:36 AM:
" THE PROBLEM HERE IS YOUNG PEOPLE THAT THINK THEY CAN DRINK AS MUCH AS THEY DO AND STILL FUNCTION....I WORKED DOWN TOWN THIS WEEKEND AND SEEN FIRST HAND HOW RIDICULOUS THAT THESE YOUNG KIDS ACT. THERE IS ONLY ONE SERIAL KILLER HERE AND THATS THE CITY OF LACROSSE FOR MAKING ALCOHOL FIRST PRIORITY FOR THE WEEKEND. "
Pattie2460 wrote on Oct 1, 2007 2:57 AM:
" If you ask me- you all are ignoring the real problem and your heads are in the sand, come up for a peek and look at reality. "
Pattie2460 wrote on Oct 1, 2007 2:53 AM:
" Witch hunt stays alive until we find out whats really going on..Funny how Luke Homan and this new guy died the exact day, a yr apart, same way. Happy aniversery LaCrosse denial-ers. Whos name will be next on the river death blog? Maybe your son,a nephew, a cousin, a brother. Won;t suprise me at all if we get one more before the fest is over. And not all the drownings have happened at a fest time. "
The Shining wrote on Oct 1, 2007 2:51 AM:
" Just keep singing the old tired and lame conspiracy garbage. Keeps your heads in the sand and ignore the real problem of alcohol. Some people will never learn...ever. "
2Hoots wrote on Oct 1, 2007 1:08 AM:
" to Pattie (and others that still don't get it): You are correct in your assumption that there is a serial killer on the loose. I know his name. It is Al C. Ohol. He not only is targeting young males near the river, he is also targeting men and women that are too stupid to realize they can't drive after falling under his spell. He goes also goes on a tirade by breaking up families, beating up spouses, and poisoning people - so near death they too end up in the hospital. Go ahead - ask around. I'm sure there are dozens in jail and hospitals after this weekends events. They too know his name. Of course, we don't have a drinking problem in our community. The reports you read in the paper on drinking are all part of his conspiracy. Keep up the witch hunt! "
question wrote on Oct 1, 2007 12:44 AM:
" RE:Pattie2460:
"Alcohol, all male, all young, all alone away from their friends, all drown"
Other than the male part what suggests foul play, more than an accident, Alcohol-lost their balance, Young-Inexperienced with dangers of...alcohol, alone- no one to steer them from the river or pull them out, Drown- thats how you die in a river..you dont get hit by a car in the river, you drown
Unfortunate accidents and a community in denile/not wanting to take responsibility is all i can see "
Pattie2460 wrote on Oct 1, 2007 12:34 AM:
" Ok , you have the facts from all the other drownings. Alcohol, all male, all young, all alone away from their friends, all drown, HHMMMM, and no one knows the rhyme nor reason all these young men ended up in the river, or why they were even by the river. Someone is out amoung these people downtown seeking out the next young man. First, as city officials say, they are all going downhill due to the city slope towards riverside to see the river and falling in. Now they are drunk AND going uphill.He would not have made it that far if he were SO drunk. "
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