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This is Emily: She's goth


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Emily Reardon was concerned when a recent article in the La Crosse Tribune described the dress of the gunman in a school shooting in Ohio this fall. That style, like hers, was Gothic.

But was that fact relevant to the story? It’s debatable.

Goth’s color palette is as straightforward as Johnny Cash’s. If you’re Goth, you wear black. Accessories, often in the form of spikes or other metal objects, are also prevalent.

But so what? It’s just a color, and Reardon, a 19-year-old graduate of Holmen High School, is tired of the stereotypes. She wants people to know that just because she dresses as she does, she’s not going to blow up a school.

If you have a problem with her, she would like you to get over it. “I’m not going door to door,” she said.

Why Gothic: When she was in the eighth grade, Emily’s parents divorced. She started listening to different music and wearing darker colors, and as she said, it just stuck. “Instead of going with what kids usually go with when things aren’t going right, like drugs and alcohol, I just decided I was going to start dressing differently.”

How the movement grew: “When people started hanging out with us they picked up on the way we were dressing, but they picked up on the fact that anybody was welcome where we were sitting. I always had a habit of going to the kid sitting by himself and asking him, ‘Do you want to sit with us?’”

What black is to Emily: A reflection of everything she finds fascinating.

What happened in Mexico two springs ago: She walked into a shop with her mom and stepdad, and four or five people fell to their knees and bowed to her. “I never found out why they bowed to me.”

Emily’s description of her 23-year-old sister’s style: American Eagle

Emily on staring at people who look different: “People who are tactless when they do it is what makes me mad. If you’re going to talk about somebody, don’t do it so they can hear you. That obese person might have a thyroid disorder. They might feel bad about the way they look already.”

Emily on Satanism: “Just because it’s called Satanism doesn’t mean they worship the Christian devil. It’s just that the name of their deity is Satan. ... I’ve read books about Satanism and it’s not about sacrificing animals. It’s actually a very straight-forward religion. It’s not something I would

practice.”

Emily on freedom: “If this is the land of the free, then why can’t gay people get married? Why can’t I be who I want to be without ridicule? Why can’t businesses decide whether they want to be smoke-free or not? Why are black people stereotyped for some jobs?”

Emily on violence: “It’s not the violent video games. It’s not the violent movies. It’s not the music. It’s not how kids are dressing. It’s the parents’ inability to tell the kids that what’s in the movies, what’s in the video games, what’s in the books — it’s not real.”

Emily’s questions for people who harass her: “Is my dressing this way hurting you? Is it inflicting some sort of agonizing pain? Are you dying from it? Am I causing a disease, like some actual microbial disease you can see under a microscope? If you don’t like the way I look, get over it. It’s not your body. It’s not you.”

Emily’s second favorite color: Dark green, like the iridescent green in peacock feathers.
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FoxyCleopatra wrote on Nov 19, 2007 11:16 PM:

" It seems that goth persons think they are dressing 'different' or being 'non-conformists'. HA! The joke is on them since by altering your lifestyle to reflect the same lifestyle as others is being similar to others. Emily is no different than the Red Hat ladies-- they are a 'club' that dresses differently in public to reflect their union. I'm sure that goth persons do not just wake up one day and become excited by the thought of infected piercings and heavy eyeliner. It is a learned experience-- any childhood trauma? "

Joker wrote on Nov 18, 2007 9:32 PM:

" I wonder how Emily will like her kids getting laser-diodes implanted in their foreheads...or maybe by then with genetic manipulation they can grow fingers on their cheeks. How about silicon implants to give them a pointed head? Or fish-scale skin? All these things are passing fads...just like my disco 'fro. "

HonestAbe wrote on Nov 16, 2007 12:32 PM:

" No, she's not going door to door, she just hooked up with the trib LOL. It has nothing to do with the type of music you like, you don't see me dressing up like the beatles, since it's in my playlist. It's a state of mind, modern day rebel with something to prove. Also, it gets attention .... "noboby likes me, so I'll put all this stuff on so people notice me" ... it's a phase, you'll grow out of it, and look back and wonder 'what was I thinking?'. Piercings are bad for you, have fun keeping up with those infections ...lol. "

mopar wrote on Nov 14, 2007 4:25 PM:

" a non-conformist would not have an article in the paper about who they are and why they are that way...a Goth just shouldnt care about what people think about them. "

senior advocate wrote on Nov 14, 2007 11:20 AM:

" As a former non-conformist in the late 50's and 60's and now a successful business person, I marvel at the large numbers of my generations non-conformists sucess at becoming solid citizens, leaders of volunteer groups, pride in their wives, sons and daughters. the non-conformists become the risk takers in business and makers and shakers in public life and community actions. The easy road is always condemnation and contempt for others not conforming to the status quo. Good for you Emily !!! Stay true to yourself and keep your good outlook towards others. "

beenthere wrote on Nov 13, 2007 4:17 PM:

" Why are some of you nitpicking this? You unleashed your insults, so now attack some misspelled words, acne/ or the type of home she lives in? That seems petty. "

beenthere wrote on Nov 13, 2007 4:11 PM:

" Some things will never change. The most shallow people have the loudest voices. Emily, my daughter has a motto that I absolutely love... "The world will tell you who you are until you show them!" Amazing. We'd love to meet you girl! God Bless! "

einnaj wrote on Nov 13, 2007 2:29 PM:

" To: Onemom22 Hey, have your children ever been scared by Santa Claus???? "

Teiresias wrote on Nov 13, 2007 9:13 AM:

" This is Emily. She'll grow up into a normal, well-adjusted adult that you'd be happy to have as a neighbor. "

annonymis wrote on Nov 12, 2007 11:09 PM:

" Hey Em, nice trailer. Is it a doublewide? "

surly29 wrote on Nov 12, 2007 10:45 PM:

" Small town equals small mind. I hope some of the people that write the negative posts have children that are 'different'. However with the mentality of some in the coolie it you would probably just disown your kids. Emily, good for you for agreeing to write the article. I have tattoos, dress different, but would put my success up against anyone on this message board. Hope LaCrosse can open thier minds. More then likely the prejudice will continue. "

ArualiaNagrome wrote on Nov 12, 2007 10:18 PM:

" Yes, the "art freaks" (the nonpopular artists, choir kids, band geeks, book club sorts) in high did tend to judge jocks, but there were many popular kids that were cruel, idiotic and shallow. Did we have a right to judge them? No. But did they have a right to make us feel like we were the scum of the earth? No. Emily was a great friend throughout elementary, middle and high school. She accepted me, although we have had a disagreements on faith, she was an amazing girl. I can only assume she's the same today. "

ArualiaNagrome wrote on Nov 12, 2007 10:17 PM:

" Wow... I am very glad I moved out of La Crosse. A couple of things: Emily does not think she is a god. The last time we spoke about religion, she was following an egyptian faith. Having tattoos or piercings doesn't mean you are trying to fill a void in your soul, or whatever ignorant thing has been said. I have a couple of tattoos, but I'm working my way through college, balancing that with going to church every week, being a part of 3 bible studies and leading a bible study for younger girls. I feel no void in my soul. My tattoos aren't an attempt to fill the emptiness that frankly- i don't feel! "

Nwolfie5 wrote on Nov 12, 2007 9:11 PM:

" In my opinion, goths are some of the nicest people you will ever meet. Every goth i have known has been really nice. its too bad i didnt get to meet Emily before she graduated. I have a few goths in my grade, and it makes me sad to see the way some people treat them. If you got to know them, they would be so nice and loving. They speak thier mind, and in today's society, that seems like a crime. Some of what you people say disgust me as well. Today's society just isnt good. We have people who discriminate still, against black people, against gay people, etc. This is how these people want to be. If you have a problem with them, then simply dont think about it, dont confront them about it, how much do you think they will really care? "

Paladin wrote on Nov 12, 2007 8:15 PM:

" Good point, Troll. And if you look at the photo, there is obvious irritation being caused by at least one if not two of the rings. Not just dangerous, but unhealthy. I think there are less damaging ways to express individuality. "

The Jolly Troll wrote on Nov 12, 2007 8:11 PM:

" Dress how you want, but some of this is just plain stupid. For example, if she is assaulted by being punched in the mouth, those lip rings will split through her lip and smash into her teeth. I also think that the chain to the lip ring would make a nice leash...if I grabbed ahold of it I doubt if she would resist much as I dragged her into the alley to do as I chose. I am not suggesting any one do this...I am saying these things are a real danger to the wearer. Black with metal trim is one thing...dressing in things that make you physically vulnerable is foolish. "

Mopar wrote on Nov 12, 2007 4:09 PM:

" It's a free country, dress as you'd like...but how can you be suprised when people stare at the chains hainging out of your face. This is all done out of "shock factor" and for attention.."look at me!! I'm so different!!" "

Marat wrote on Nov 12, 2007 3:58 PM:

" This is Emily: She just wants attention. "

Big Spender wrote on Nov 12, 2007 1:45 PM:

" Relax people...these 'Goths' are just teens doing their age-old defy-your-parents bit. They're cut from the same cloth as the Beatniks or the Hippies...all fads come and go. They're just like the fifties kids pretending to be Elvis or James Dean. Yes, some of these teen posers will self-destruct on drugs or destroy others through crime, but that's true of any age and subculture--most Goth teens aren't completely insane in that way. Next year there will be a new fad, invented in somebody's marketing department, that these hyper-conformist sheeplike teens will rush to follow. True free-thinking non-conformists, whether teen or adult, are as rare as they are refreshing--the so-called Goths don't fit that bill. "

Goat Rider wrote on Nov 12, 2007 1:07 PM:

" Bill and Erin once spoke with me about the shame they felt. When are you going to move out and find a job emily? "

Kevin wrote on Nov 12, 2007 12:42 PM:

" I give Emily great credit for being courageous enough to bring her thoughts to the paper in a very exposing article. She didn't hide behind the anonymity that so many on this site do...so there's that. As for being Goth....with all the piercings and clothing...certainly she and others realize that her behavious is not 'mainstream' and as such she will be stared at and talked about....isn't that what she is after? Isn't this her way of demonstrating her uniqueness? Isn't that why people buy luxury cars...they don't need, houses that are too big, watches that are too expensive, it's all really a demonstration of being different or successful or dangerous etc....So why then is she shocked when people do stare or do talk about her? Her way of dressing doesn't shock me...it just preps me for belligerent, rebellion against the man type responses.... "

Katie wrote on Nov 12, 2007 11:16 AM:

" I guess what bothers me is that most of the Goth kids I knew seemed to think that you either had to be goth or you were a rich snob. There are many different "groups" of people and all of them were judged based on their outward appearance- not JUST the Goths. It bothered me that many of them were willing to attack other people by saying that we judged them- when they judged everyone else just as quickly! "

kbg23 wrote on Nov 12, 2007 10:05 AM:

" The point that annoys me the most by everyone supporting this trend (I could care less one way or the other) is that all the "pro" goth people always state how they don't have to "conform" and be like everyone else. Well, really you are "conforming" to fit into the "goth" group. Its the exact same thing. You act like you are so spectacular and making this "statement" when you are doing the same thing all the other kids do at that age, find someone to fit in with. "

Jaxx wrote on Nov 12, 2007 8:38 AM:

" A good majority of the kids that I know who are goth are straight edge (people who don't drink, smoke, do drugs, use caffiene) and live a healthy lifestyle. So, how is this a bad thing? If a kids dresses in black and wants to read poetry, wow, what a horrible thing (this is sarcasm by the way)! "

Jaxx wrote on Nov 12, 2007 8:36 AM:

" So how is this form of self expression any different than a person going off to college and turning into a complete alcoholic? What I am trying to say is going off to college and being known as a person that drinks heavily is another form of self expression and identity. Hanging out with the drug users is a form of self expression and identity. So this girl is wearing black and has piercings? At least she isn't drinking herself to death or using drugs. I'd rather have my kids wear these types of clothes rather than do some of the things (drinking-drugs) that the "normal" kids are doing. "

Darwin wrote on Nov 12, 2007 7:37 AM:

" Krusty - I'm not sure how you dress, but don't worry; many people already consider you a total idiot. "

cataractjack wrote on Nov 12, 2007 7:35 AM:

" The Goth look is awful. This person, like all that dress this way are mentally disturbed. It all starts with the parents. With guidance at home, Divorce or no Dovorce the parents should never let this get started. I do not blame the kids, loser parents is the bottom line here. "

Darwin wrote on Nov 12, 2007 7:35 AM:

" I spent my HS and college years Goth - now have a profession, own a home, have a strong family. Being Goth didn't ruin me for life. In fact, I spent more time developing strong bonds to other kids who liked to read poetry instead of worrying about how I could get some $100 jeans at the Mall. What I wonder about several of the comments on here is this: do you judge young women who dress in over-sexualized ways as harshly? One trip to the Mall, to Target, to a coffee house is a scary reminder that very young girls are allowed to dress in ways that used to be reserved for prostitutes. How about the trashy cheerleading routines we see? I fear more from the highly-publicized sexcapades of people like Britney, Paris and Lindsay than some kids who love to read, use a computer, and wear black. "

PHIL OSIFER wrote on Nov 12, 2007 7:34 AM:

" Let me put another view on this. First of all she really could be a very nice "clean" person.She may also be quiet and cultured [whatever the culture]. BUT do youwant her meeting your customers unless it's a punk metal rock record shop. Today some of these "KIDS" just don't get it you do not insult the public. Either by word or looks. "

Drael wrote on Nov 12, 2007 7:19 AM:

" A few counterpoints to Krusty: 1)I have several piercings and have never had a problem with airport security, 2) "Growing up and getting a job" doesn't have to mean wearing business attire and sitting in a cubicle-there are plenty of opportunities that don't involve conforming to a status quo standard of appearance, and 3) The way other people choose to look does not make them any lower than you. I've found that people who challenge "acceptable" appearances are some of the most intelligent and creative individuals you could meet. You just need to look past what may make you uncomfortable and remember that there's a human being underneath it.To Emily-You look beautiful, keep on rocking. I would never have the patience to put myself together like that every day! "

Paladin wrote on Nov 12, 2007 7:12 AM:

" And just an aside...good point, kbg23. We aren't supposed to judge the extreme fringe as abnormal...according to blueblackfairy we are supposed to judge the norm as contemptable. Something tells me you take very good care of yourself and will go far in life. "

Paladin wrote on Nov 12, 2007 7:08 AM:

" Krusty, you and I almost never agree. but all I can say in this case is...WELL SAID! "

Krusty wrote on Nov 12, 2007 7:02 AM:

" If I were to walk around all day dressed in a clown outfit people would think I was a total idiot. What's the difference with what this immature little girl is doing? She acts like she was born with a disability and "has" to wear those childish clothes. Someday when she grows up she will be ashamed of herself for acting this way. "

kbg23 wrote on Nov 12, 2007 6:53 AM:

" RE: blackbluefaerie Hmmmm thats hilarious. "Don't judge her because she isn't the cookie cutter ideal for this area." BUT - you just turned around and said the SAME thing about people who choose to be "normal". So, if I tan my skin and have my nails done - that makes me a "fake brat". Well great - then that makes you a freak for dressing like one. Easy as that right? "

Mom O wrote on Nov 12, 2007 6:42 AM:

" Em befriended my daughter at HMS and brought her into a group of supportive, open-minded, loyal friends. Emily's example inspired my daughter to experiment with her personal style. The life lessons she gained from the public's perception of her and her group of peers are invaluable. She's taken them off to college with her. Oh, and a side note: My daughter's group of friends also included National Honor Society members and students in the top 10% of their graduating class. If they didn't judge her by her looks, why do you? Congratulations Emily! You are brave and good and honest. You will be rewarded one day. "

Mom O wrote on Nov 12, 2007 6:42 AM:

" Wow! Hon. I am so proud of you! You put yourself out right out there in hopes of educating those who can't see past your style of dress. Standing up to the diatribes here shows your fortitude and great moral character. How many of your detracters would do the same, with all honesty, with nothing held back? Come on soccer Moms and Dads make a public stand about anything at all: politics, religion, athletics, school policy. Step into the frontpage spotlight with Emily. Bare just a part of your soul. Let us know who you are, why you are, what you care about, just as Emily has done. Can't/won't do it? Then just take a long look in the mirror and ask yourself, why, what am I hiding, what am I afraid of, what am I lacking? "

Krusty wrote on Nov 12, 2007 6:40 AM:

" The least the tribune could do is take down the picture of her, she is disgusting to look at "

The Jolly Troll wrote on Nov 12, 2007 6:18 AM:

" Based on the picture, this is a watered-down semi-Goth at best. It sure looks like "urban punk" to me. Emily needs to go to a bigger city and study the fashion of her true Goth counterparts. "

Paladin wrote on Nov 12, 2007 6:13 AM:

" If you blatantly dress a stereotype, expect to be judged by that stereotype. You are a walking billboard advertising who you are. This is true of any other "non-conformist" attire. You have the right to do it, but don't in the least be surprised by people rushing to a quick judgement. You actually encouraged them to. Again...what a waste of space for the Tribune. "

Wheezer wrote on Nov 12, 2007 5:24 AM:

" ...because if CommonSense had any common sense, they wouldn't use their energy to belittle young people on how they dress. CS, you must be an unhappy person to post such drivel. You people have taken a purely informational article on how some people dress and turned it into MUSH. You should have used it to educate yourselves, but instead feel you must attack the subject of the article. Shame on all of you. "

Wheezer wrote on Nov 12, 2007 5:16 AM:

" Remember Ted Bundy? He dressed very nice and was a nice young man to all who knew him. Looked what he turned out to be inside. I am glad that "FoxyCleopatra" would judge her children's romantic interests that they would bring to her home by how they dressed. I am sure Ted Bundy would have like to have known her daughters! Ed Gein looked like a nice old man, too. People even let him watch their kids and eccepted "venison" from him. But hey, he LOOKED like a nice enough guy! Most people get smarter as they get older, evidently not the case for "CommonSense"... "

Phil O'Bates wrote on Nov 12, 2007 3:44 AM:

" What I find interesting is that people will wear black, get tattoos or piercings and think that makes them unique. The truth is that they are just joining a different group. We ALL have certain insecurities and the group we join or associate with gives us a certain level of security and feeling of acceptance. Certainly, there are people who are 'suits' because they just conformists, but by the same token there are 'goths' who do it just to conform to the pressures of their peers. What makes us individually special isn't the cloths we wear or the jobs we hold, but the simple fact that we are created by God. When you realize that God has a unique purpose for your life, your job or clothes all become secondary. "

shkyhnds wrote on Nov 12, 2007 2:51 AM:

" CommonSense and others on this board. You outta be ashamed of yourself. Your type of behavior is juvenile and unsophisticated! I know I was both of those once. Then I grew up! You all need to grow up also. I feel sorry for your children and all they come in contact with as they grow. I have read over and over on these boards about people bashing parents and the values they teach their children......if you are teaching your children exactly what you post on the Trib, we, as a society, are in for a wave of irrational decisions from the children you raised with such values as you display here on the Trib! I was raised to know the person not the image. My parents did a good job, maybe the past posts on here are correct - parents are to blame! "

Mike A wrote on Nov 12, 2007 12:03 AM:

" 1972 1973 1974 I was judged as a long hair --he won't turn out to be anyone--well lets see 2 yrs in the Army--for children all graduated from Holmen--I need not say more--other then don't judge by the clothes they wear-- Better learn to judge the Suits being worn by your hero's the Polictions,bankers,ect. Nice clothes. "

Krusty wrote on Nov 11, 2007 11:43 PM:

" They must of drove to mexico, there is no way she could have got through airport security with all the garbage hanging from her face "

CommonSense wrote on Nov 11, 2007 11:28 PM:

" It also seems to me that she sees herself as some sort of god, based on her ID of Aman-Ra (Ra was an Egyptian God). Unfortuanately, my tax dollars didn't do much of a job educating her in the Holmen School district as evidenced by her poor grammar, inability to clearly and objectively articulate a position, and poor spelling. Doesn't seem as though she has seriously pursued education or a career. There must be an "Idiots guide to becoming a god" book out there somewhere. "

hemipowered wrote on Nov 11, 2007 11:27 PM:

" Augh man did you guys hear about Ben Winkler....on Fox News he was in a car accident....luckly he had Gi qo....RIP BEN!!! "

CommonSense wrote on Nov 11, 2007 11:23 PM:

" This is a classic example of attention seeking behavior. The danger here is that not only are these "kids" distracted, but they are desperate for acceptance and LOVE! In a twisted way, even negative attention is still better than no attention at all. The apparent "highlight" of her life, was when she was in Mexico and five people 'bowed' down to her. Mexico, as well as in many other cultures respect the dead, and spirits of the dead...they probably were afraid of her! "

FoxyCleopatra wrote on Nov 11, 2007 11:15 PM:

" Everyone has their own personal preferences in how they speak and dress, and to each their own. I am personable and will talk to everyone-- that doesn't mean I have to like everyone. If my son or daughters were to bring home a boyfriend or girlfriend of romantic interest that looked and behaved as though they had no interest in becoming a successful member of society, I would not allow that person in my home or to have a relationship with my family. I could not imagine the CEO of Microsoft or Starbucks dressing and behaving anything less than professional. "

binques wrote on Nov 11, 2007 11:12 PM:

" To Krusty: "Someday she will have to grow up and get a job, then she will have to ditch the childish outfit and piercings. " And I suppose it should be in favor of the prison of high heels, underwire bras, 2nd mortgage, ulcers, cookie cutter mentality, etc. THAT's grown up, all right. "

mAC wrote on Nov 11, 2007 10:56 PM:

" Look at me! Look at me! Just don't judge me... "

Double A wrote on Nov 11, 2007 9:49 PM:

" I understood what Emily typed without being so anal that I needed correct spelling. Onemom you are great. Funny, but great. "

blackbluefaerie wrote on Nov 11, 2007 9:24 PM:

" People either need to get a life/get a clue. One thing I have learned about this area in 9 years is that Ignorance is bliss. She does not dress that way to get attention just to please herself. It is who she is. Don't assume she scares the kids she comes across, most kids are fascinated be it. Don't judge her because she isn't the cookie cutter ideal for this area. Neither am I. I have tattoos, piercings, I wear whatever I like & most of my closet is black just because that is what looks good on me. I applaud Emily for just being herself. Better than the fake brats I see everyday with their fake tans/nails/hair that wear the name brand stuff & have everything given to them & appreciate nothing. Often the freak next to you is the nicest & smartest you'll ever meet! "

Krusty wrote on Nov 11, 2007 9:17 PM:

" She is just doing it to try to get attention because her personality is sorely lacking. Someday she will have to grow up and get a job, then she will have to ditch the childish outfit and piercings. "

onemom22 wrote on Nov 11, 2007 9:17 PM:

" Amun-Ra or Emily... you just proved our points with your spelling and grammar. You should've stayed quiet. "

lizp wrote on Nov 11, 2007 9:04 PM:

" Perhaps the goths "conforming" to specific standards is a mockery of the fashion standards to which so many of us ardently adhere? I know "goths" who wear black, or don't, or have fun and interesting hair colors, or don't - where I live, the goth community is more concerned with seeing beauty in things that may not be considered commercially acceptable. Alternative body shapes, lifestyles, attitudes (as long as they're respectful of one another) - THAT'S what goth is to me. I've noticed a very lighthearted, warm attitude from "the goth folks" where I live. We're mostly folks in our 20s. . .living happy, fulfilling lives (or trying our best) just like everyone else, right? "

kbg23 wrote on Nov 11, 2007 8:14 PM:

" Attention, attention, attention. She can say what she wants but she obviously fills a void in her life by looking to get a reaction from people regarding the way she dresses/acts. She acts like she is completely self confident, but I don't think that's the truth. I don't know the girl, but it seems to me its not any different conforming to the "American Eagle" kids as it is the "Goth Kids". "

bamarantes wrote on Nov 11, 2007 7:41 PM:

" I went to school with Emily. In HS I thought she was just dressing like that to get attention but I never really knew the whole story and I guess I was one of those people to stereotype her but now that I read this I know what she is talking about. Personally now that I am an adult I realize that the children in school are just mean, but its because they dont understand people and how things work. "

Amun-Ra wrote on Nov 11, 2007 7:30 PM:

" Thank you. I apprecheat the kind words that you have to offer, they really mean alot. You are all entitled to your thoughts, feelings and judgments. I wont be the one to deny you thoughs, its a right and a freedom as american people to express ourselfs. Im really sorry to say this but no, the real world is wrong. You cant judge a book by the cover. Instead of seeing people for what they are on the out side, start seeing people for who they are on the inside. The clothing, the money, the job, they dont make the man. Its the heart, soul and experances he experances in his day to day life and the way he treats his fellow man that dictate what the man is made of. ~Emily "

onemom22 wrote on Nov 11, 2007 7:18 PM:

" I have a question...why do the people who dress like this scare little kids, when a small child has not developed any opinions yet? There's an expression that says " you can judge a persons character by how a child or animal reacts to them". Little kids ARE scared when they see someone dressed this way. "

reality wrote on Nov 11, 2007 6:39 PM:

" First of all, people do have a right to happiness and freedom of expression. However, self mutilation and low self-esteem are warning flags for suicide, or worse. I wish this young lady the best dealing with her depression and anti-social disorder, and I hope she finds her place in human society. Just be careful- people in the goth/emo crowd tend to work part-time jobs in the mall, don't have health insurance, and don't get along well with the simple (well-intentioned) minded people of the world. This girl is just looking for a place to feel welcome and fit it- too bad there isn't a long term place like that for anyone anywhere in the world. "

SheWhoDoesNotNeedToBeNamed wrote on Nov 11, 2007 5:10 PM:

" To all of you who have said that Emily is the way she is because of her parents. This is for you. Hello all you Tribune readers out there, this is Emily's cousin, Tanya. I've watched Emily go from a red head to a black haired goth and haven't once jumped to the cowardous conclusion that her parents are the ones to blame. Just because my Unlce Bill wears a kilt doesn't make him a bad parent and as far as I'm concerned Erin is trying her hardest to do the best. "

jjp wrote on Nov 11, 2007 4:59 PM:

" I agree that people are judged by their outwards appearance. I"ll admit I have judged people wrongly because of their outward appearance. I put my trust in the people with the expensive suit and tie. The most dishonest, opportunistic, money grabbers anyone could imagine. Lay off Emily and her generation. They haven 't learned how to take advantage of their fellow human beings. Hope they don't. Good luck to you E. Just be honest with the world and yourself. It won't make you rich, but none of us will be here forever. How does one want to be remembered? "

Jaxx wrote on Nov 11, 2007 3:37 PM:

" While dressing gothic is not my thing, I do think that the people who do dress this way show an intelligence that others don't appreciate. The goths that I have met have been very interested in social causes, art and humanities and helping others. Unfortunately, people are judged by how they look and the great gifts that these kids have are often overlooked by society in general. "

Avery Wehrs wrote on Nov 11, 2007 1:04 PM:

" beenthere: I appreciate your open-mindedness. I also agree wholeheartedly with your statement that goths also need to remain open-minded and not judge "conformists" by what they wear. Where you buy your clothes and what you think, believe and feel are two entirely different things. "

Avery Wehrs wrote on Nov 11, 2007 1:04 PM:

" I also disagree with happymom's comment that "goths" have a hole in their psyche that they fill with dressing in an atypical way. I can't speak for everyone who wants to differentiate him/herself from the norm, but I can say for myself that I don't dress to fill a hole in my soul. I dress differently because I want to. Because I'm bored. Because it's fun. Because I want to differentiate myself from people who judge based on the way people look as opposed to actually taking the time to stop, talk, and listen to what other people have to say. Goths are, in many cases, great people. There are occasional exceptions, but the same can be said of teachers, lawyers, businessmen, and the ordinary working class. "

Avery Wehrs wrote on Nov 11, 2007 1:03 PM:

" To The Real World and happymom: I find your "you can pretty much judge a book by its cover" attidue cruel and unfair. I don't label myself "goth," but I wear black on a regular basis. A female, I have quarter-inch-long hair. I have friends who wear spikes on a daily basis. I also maintain a 3.8 GPA and am a year ahead of my class in English and math. "

einnaj wrote on Nov 11, 2007 1:01 PM:

" Emily sounds like a pretty intelligent girl who speaks her mind and dares to say what others can't or won't. I like that. I worked in a high school where these kids were shunned. I found them to be some of the most articulate, artistic, kind,intelligent and ACCEPTING kids there. Shouldn't we celebrate that? On the other hand, I've seen some of the most "kid next door" looking young people who are unbelievably scary and dangerous and could fool anyone into thinking they were fine upstanding young people. "

Krusty wrote on Nov 11, 2007 12:56 PM:

" Those Goth weirdo's seem to be more conformists than anyone else. They have to wear black and they have to have body piercings and they have to act a certain way. If a way a person looks means so little to people like emily, then why does she have to dress the way she does? By the way, is emily employed? I have to doubt many employers would hire her if she came dressed that way to an interview, besides a record store or a telemarketer. I think it's time for emily to grow up. "

mommak wrote on Nov 11, 2007 12:37 PM:

" Emily has been through a lot. Her dad served in the military overseas and she just lost her stepdad. Her mom and sister are wonderful people!! "

beenthere wrote on Nov 11, 2007 11:17 AM:

" To Marat: about the whack job comment- do you feel that it makes you a bigger person to cut someone else down? I don't think insults are necessary. If your family is perfect, congratulations. That is rare. To Real World: what refreshing honesty. I often catch myself judging too. It is very hard not to do. What the Goth need to remember also is not to judge conformists, also, right? "

beenthere wrote on Nov 11, 2007 11:12 AM:

" What I do know is that my group accepted new friends that accepted us. We liked common things and common activities, had common jobs, and were law abiding citizens. I have since resorted back to "normalcy" if one can call it that. My teenage daughter is dressing in black, and hanging with some rough "looking" kids... on the inside though, what a great bunch of kids! They all have different backgrounds-broken or normal homes, abusive/ loved, attentive/ nonattentive parents. It was a fad for me, and I believe for many. I am not one to give advice, but just open your minds and remember that we are all just here a short time, so be open to learn new things about people. What a boring place it would be if we were all the same. "

beenthere wrote on Nov 11, 2007 11:11 AM:

" 20 yrs ago, I entered the goth world myself... only then called punk. I found some amazing friends and had a few years of valuable learning. One important thing I brought from this was that people are people and the shell just doesn't matter. I was amazed at how the world responded to me. Always stopped to check if I shoplifted, I was prayed for, I was laughed at, people were scared, etc. Children were about the only ones who didn't judge. They inquired if anything. I think we could learn something from these small babes. My Mom even cried after my "transformation" until she met my friends and learned we weren't devil worshipers, we just liked the attention. Personally, I hated the attention, but enjoyed the reactions from people. Maybe its the same thing. "

happymom wrote on Nov 11, 2007 10:32 AM:

" The Real World is right. You can pretty much always judge a book by its cover. This girl has built a whole persona from her "style" - it now defines her just like an executive wearing a suit to the office. Like tattoos and piercings, Goth is a fad among those who have an empty spot in their psyche that they feel can be filled by making a statement of nonconformity. "

The Real World wrote on Nov 11, 2007 7:47 AM:

" Sorry Emily, but we don't know you personally and we judge you by your statement of attire. "

Wheezer wrote on Nov 11, 2007 4:55 AM:

" Seeing someone dressed in "Goth" is kind of like looking at someone with a lot of tattoos or piercings...once you get to know them, you don't even notice after a while. People who enjoy dressing like this are not bad people, they just have a different way of expressing themselves. Just like it shouldn't matter if you are atheist or religious. There are good and bad everywhere and "goth" shouldn't be looked at as "bad". "


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