Near South SIder wrote on Nov 29, 2007 4:24 PM:
" I agree with those you applaud this article for trying to put a face on AIDS/HIV and for trying to educate the masses about its reality. An earlier commenter pointed out that "75% of eighth graders thought that HIV was curable, and were not worried about contracting it." As that commenter said, that is scary. And we collectively need to educate those young folks about the facts no matter what their sexual orientation turns out to be when they grow up. "
Teiresias wrote on Nov 28, 2007 11:30 AM:
" Phil O'Bates, you are so full of it that I don't know where to begin. The vast majority of AIDS cases are among heterosexuals in the developing world. Perhaps you can blame them for having chosen to live their "dangerous lifestyles" in Africa, Asia and South America. Also, the fastest growth in HIV infections are not among Gay men, but are in the straight community. As for the ludicrous notion of a "dangerous lifestyle" your ignorance, homophobia and right-wing agenda deserve no further comment. "
whatiz wrote on Nov 26, 2007 10:51 PM:
" C'mon now, what's with the bickering? Does it bring any resolve? No, it only serves to distract from the point at issue. (Education/Awareness) Focus and maybe there's a chance we could proceed toward a cure instead of biting at each other over statistics, "lifestyle choices," and the often limited scope here in the Coulee Region--or would it be easier to pretend it away? "
Anna Banana wrote on Nov 26, 2007 10:13 PM:
" I think the point of this article was to put a real face on HIV AIDs in the La Crosse area. It exists, it is not a homosexual disease it is a human disease. All too often we forget that this is a reality of life everywhere including right here in the La Crosse area too. World Aids Day is just a means to help educate those who forget that and who fall short in the compassion arena. "
ezzee wrote on Nov 26, 2007 6:45 PM:
" Jeremy, I will give you that your statistics appear to be more credible on the surface. I do reject your claim that my statistics of the global AIDS epidemic or the epidemic in Africa has nothing to do with this story as this is a story about World AIDS Day. "
jeremy wrote on Nov 26, 2007 6:33 PM:
" no, ezzee you were trying to take statistics that have no bearing on this story and use them to support your side of the story. Like I said before, the AIDS epidemic in Africa and the AIDS epidemic in the US have virtually nothing in common, except the lack of making quality choices that these people make. Check out this link, it says 71% of men that have AIDS are men having sex with men and men having sex with men make up 53% of the living population with AIDS/HIV. http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/msm/resources/factsheets/msm.htm "
ezzee wrote on Nov 26, 2007 6:05 PM:
" No, I meant what I said. statistics can be twisted or turned and factored to make them say anything you want them to say. This happens all the time. For example, many people believe that violent crime is going up. While technically, it is true, there are more cases of violent crime in America as compared to say the 1960's, they don't take into account the fact that there are more people in the US than in the 1960's. when you figure in adjustments for population growth, you'll actually find the crime rate is going down. All I'm saying is to be cautious of your source and to check the bias of your source before quoting them as fact. "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Nov 26, 2007 5:43 PM:
" ezzee, I just reread your 2:44 post and noticed you said "statistics lie." I think what you were thinking of is "figures don't lie, but liars can figure" quote. The figures in the article are from outside sources such as the CDC. Those figures are quite clear that homosexuals are at a higher health risk then heterosexuals. If you really meant that statistics lie then even your African statistics would be useless. "
jeremy wrote on Nov 26, 2007 4:16 PM:
" ezzee prefers to look at world wide stats and references Africa. Well, even those stats are skewed. In Africa, there isn't the acceptance to homosexuality that there is in the rest of the world. Don't you think that accounts for skewing of your stats? As for you "worldwide" view, comparing AIDS in Africa to AIDS in the US is like comparing apples and oranges. It's 2 completely different situations. Why is AIDS a problem in Africa? Lack of education! It's about the choices you make and because you make poor choices doesn't mean I have to respect you. "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Nov 26, 2007 3:29 PM:
" mby, I can agree that people with AIDS/HIV should be loved and cared for with the same compassion as someone with any other disease. I do have a problem with saying we should 'respect' them. I respect people who go above and beyond the normal exspectations of life. Those who volunteer, those in the military, those parents who sacrifice so that their kids can have a better life, etc.. Just because a person has a disease doesn't automatically qualify them as deserving respect. (The danger in saying what I just said, is in the PC culture we live in today, people will automatically assume that I think that those with HIV/AIDS should be DISrespected or hated.) "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Nov 26, 2007 3:16 PM:
" ezzee, I can agree that in the grand scheme of things Viagra's importance is nothing compared to finding a cure for AIDS/HIV, but pharmacetical companies need money for research, and if the sales of Viagra help fund AIDS/HIV research, then sell more Viagra. It's sounds conspiritorial to assume that companies aren't working to find a cure for AIDS/HIV. The company that finds that will make billions. What I also find ironic is your back-handed bias in who is buying Viagra type products (white men). That's kind of strange when people on this site are calling for tolerance of lifestyle choices. "
mby wrote on Nov 26, 2007 2:53 PM:
" out of everything going back and forth, my whole point is no matter if it is a lifestyle change that has brought a person to living with HIV/AIDS they deserve as much respect as the person who isn't living with it. The whole point to the article is to bring awareness, that it is here in La Crosse and these people are not bad people. If you are looking for education or want to ask a person living with HIV why, what or how they contracted the virus, go to the World AIDS Day event with the HIV positive speaker. Educate yourself. "
ezzee wrote on Nov 26, 2007 2:44 PM:
" Another basic rule of research is that statistics of any kind can be twisted to say what you want them to say or statistics lie. It would be in the Family Research Councils best interest to skew the statistics to get them to say what they want. Also, I like to look globally. "Here are some more statistics. Globally, around 11% of HIV infections are among babies who acquire the virus from their mothers; 10% result from injecting drug use; 5-10% are due to sex between men; and 5-10% occur in healthcare settings. Sex between men and women accounts for the remaining proportion – around two thirds of new infections." http://www.avert.org/worlstatinfo.htm I refer to my original question. What does it say about humanity when we are more concerned about giving a white guy an erection than curing a disease that is killing millions. "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Nov 26, 2007 2:34 PM:
" mby, even that statistic should be emphasized to those people thinking it's safe to just go out and have multiple sexual encounters. Even that statistic doesn't discredit the fact that 'lifestyle choices' can significantly increase your risk of contracting HIV/AIDS. It also still points out that while homosexuals at most make up 5% of the population (most studies put it around 1% but I'm being generous) they make up for 50% of the HIV/AIDS cases. If driving a car that made up only 5% of all cars on the road accounted for 50% of all fatalities in car accidents, would you drive that car? "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Nov 26, 2007 2:15 PM:
" ezzee, I can understand why you might disagree with the philosophy or theology of the websites founder, but the article lists facts from various sources including the CDC. All of their facts are referenced so you can see that they aren't making up their numbers. "
mby wrote on Nov 26, 2007 2:14 PM:
" And for the statistics people out there, when HIV/AIDS came to America, homosexual men were 67% of new infections, now they are 49%. Heterosexual were 3% then and are now 32%. So in reality heterosexuals are now the fastest growing number for new HIV infections. www.hivplusmag.com (how about those statistics?) "
mby wrote on Nov 26, 2007 2:14 PM:
" Krusty, am I to assume that you have no addictions or bad habbits. Is it your "lifesyle" choice to eat red meat and maybe die of a heart attack? Is it your "lifestyle" choice to smoke a cigarette and die from cancer? If you answer yes, then I ask you if you did or have any of these things would you want to be discriminated against for the rest of your life? This is what the article is about, bringing light that HIV/AIDS is here and those living with it deserve as much respect as you or anyone else. So be it unfourtunately maybe they did share a needle or did have unprotected sex to contract the virus. But that was their decision, just like it is yours to have a smoke and die of cancer. "
ollie wrote on Nov 26, 2007 1:51 PM:
" Well said Krusty........but we still have a problem. "
ezzee wrote on Nov 26, 2007 1:46 PM:
" First of all, Phil, the article is bias. The most basic thing of research is to look at where the source comes from. That source is from the Family Resource Council. It's site says "Believing that God is the author of life, liberty, and the family, FRC promotes the Judeo-Christian worldview as the basis for a just, free, and stable society." That right there causes leeriness, and would make me want to discredit anything it says on homosexuality. Find me an unbiased for these facts. HIV/AIDS is a horrible thing that is making some profound changes, and is a plague on this Earth, especially in Africa. With almost 25 million people with AIDS, and almost 12 million children orphaned by AIDS in 2005, we must put more research into curing HIV/AIDS. Unfortunately, we are more concerned with giving a white guy an erection "
Krusty wrote on Nov 26, 2007 1:33 PM:
" AIDS or HIV is almost ALWAYS caused by your lifestyle. Excluding the very, very, few people who contract HIV through blood transfusions, being born with it, tattoo's, etc. HIV/AIDS is caused sexual contact (straight or gay) or sharing needles. How can that not be considered a lifestyle choice? "lorenzo" caught HIV because he made poor choices that most reasonible people are intelligent enough to avoid. Wear a condom, avoid multiple partners and don't share needles, problem solved "
jenisgone wrote on Nov 26, 2007 1:13 PM:
" The disease is treatable, but it cannot be cured today. It then is still a possible death sentence, right? I have a good friend that has to take a lot of medication to treat is HIV, and some of it makes him sick. So I guess I'm confused as to the point of this article. People with HIV/AIDS should not be discriminated against, but shouldn't we still be trying to prevent it from spreading. I saw a statistic a while back that said 75% of eighth graders thought that HIV was cureable, and were not worried about contracting it. That fact just blew MY mind. "
jeremy wrote on Nov 26, 2007 12:57 PM:
" If this man got AIDS through a blood transfusion or was born with it, the article would have pointed that out. The fact is, that a majority of AIDS/HIV cases are a result of lifestyle choices. "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Nov 26, 2007 12:48 PM:
" zulemara, actually that article is full of documented facts. Now I never said anything along the lines that promiscuous behavior is limited to homosexuals. If you are saying that promiscuous behavior increases your chances of being infected with AIDS/HIV regardless or sexual orientation, I would agree. However, that just backs up what was stated about 'lifestyle' choices increasing a persons risk for contracting AIDS/HIV. Your assertion that AIDS/HIV is just as rampant in the Heterosexual community is just not backed up by facts. I'm all for finding cures, but I'm also for keeping the facts straight. "
zulemara wrote on Nov 26, 2007 12:27 PM:
" Phil, that article is full of bigotry and ignorance. First of all, I didn't wake up and CHOOSE to have to deal with people like you my entire life, that's for sure. Secondly, if you believe that article and think only gay people have sex with multiple partners, you are sadly mistaken. Take a look in Brothers and watch all the horny guys after the girls. It's JUST as rampant in the straight population as in the gay population. It's blatant generalizations like the many that article suggests that infuriates those of us with lasting monogamous relationships.
Congrats to the Tribune for attempting to counter the ignorance in this community and the same to those who came forward for this story. Maybe when people stop labeling HIV as a gay disease, we can work towards finding more cures and reduce the cost. "
Michael Welch wrote on Nov 26, 2007 12:07 PM:
" 'What you do to the LEAST of these [those you think the least of] you do unto me.' Not a bad concept to recall in cases like this I'd say... "
K9Mum wrote on Nov 26, 2007 12:02 PM:
" I Commend these people for coming forward and telling their stories (with or without names). Education is the way to preventing some instances of this virus and even preventing some of this bias and hate for people who do have HIV or AIDS. "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Nov 26, 2007 11:59 AM:
" Teiresias, are you denying that people who have chosen a dangerous lifestyle (homosexual) are more likely to be infected? That would be contrary to the Center for Disease Controls reports. (http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=Is01B1) The fact that homosexuals make up less then 5% of the population but account for over 50 % of HIV/AIDS cases, clearly shows that 'lifestyle' choice does play a MAJOR role in increasing your risk. "
mby wrote on Nov 26, 2007 11:18 AM:
" Greenlight, it is people like you why those living with HIV/AIDS feel they can not come out to the public. What if you are born with it? What if you have a blood transfusion? Have you ever made a mistake in your life, especially when you were young? Would you want the whole world to judge you the rest of your life for a mistake when you were young? What if it was your sister, brother, mother, father, child? "
Greenlite wrote on Nov 26, 2007 10:19 AM:
" Isn't there a difference between AIDS and HIV? At least that is what has been taught. It's sad that anyone has to be infected with a virus such as this, it's doubly sad that it is self inflicted in many cases. Life style choices bring consequences, sometimes good, sometimes sad. The liking of AIDS to plagiarism; offensive? Plagiarism is more common than AIDS, and it also is a poor choice. "
miracleseeker wrote on Nov 26, 2007 3:47 AM:
" I don't understand why "Lorenzo" doesn't want his real name used, but is showing his face in the photos....?
Aside from that discrepancy, this article rings of truth. Congratulations to those taking a stand to raise awareness on this topic!!! "