StatesideGunner wrote on Dec 17, 2007 11:55 PM:
" North Sider -
Parking is a concern, absolutely. I'm more concerned with the city's new Multi-Family Housing Standards' effect on parking than I am with what's going on at UW-L. However, something must be done. It's not just residents of the community that are concerned, from what I hear students are very upset with the city's parking situation.
Parking ramps are expensive, and there's only so much that can be done about alternate side parking and plowing patterns. I think alternatives can be found though.
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The Moderate wrote on Dec 16, 2007 8:07 AM:
" I luv ezzee "
North Sider wrote on Dec 15, 2007 4:24 PM:
" StatesideGunner- Stay with me here. Let's start slow. Tell me the cause and ramifications of the new 'satellite parking'? Come on, I will wait for your response patiently. "
StatesideGunner wrote on Dec 14, 2007 2:21 PM:
" I should clarify - it won't NEGATIVELY affect you MONITARILY, except for the room tax for the stadium.
Of course, the entire La Crosse community will benefit from additional students and faculty bringing money into the community, the retention of the WIAA State Track and Field Meet, and the potential increase in prestige both academically and athletically that new facilities might bring.
Oh, and not to mention that STUDENTS WILL BENEFIT in countless ways. But who really cares about the students, right? "
StatesideGunner wrote on Dec 14, 2007 2:18 PM:
" North Sider and others -
I don't understand the negativity toward the Growth, Quality and Access plan, the new Stadium plan, or this new Residence hall plan either.
None of these proposals are directly affecting you, as residents of the La Crosse area. The only people it may effect is any family you might have that come to visit La Crosse and stay in a hotel, in which case they'll have to fork out a HUGE 1% additional.
Whether you like it or not, in order to stay competitive (and education is a competitive market) we need to invest in new structures and hire more faculty. UW-L is just no longer naive enough to think that state taxpayers are willing to support it anymore. "
6760French wrote on Dec 14, 2007 1:53 PM:
" The new structure is being paid for by the students. NO funds from the state of Wisconsin are going to be used. "
North Sider wrote on Dec 14, 2007 12:28 PM:
" StatesideGunner- Just where are the funds going to come from? "
6760French wrote on Dec 14, 2007 10:35 AM:
" (1) General. All areas of newly designed or newly constructed buildings and facilities and altered portions of existing buildings and facilities shall comply with section 4, unless otherwise provided in this section or as modified in a special application section.
How would you feel not being able to access, every residence hall (except 2)? "
StatesideGunner wrote on Dec 14, 2007 2:31 AM:
" Also, it's embarrassing that ANY members of this community think that it's acceptable to have any public buildings of any kind that AREN'T accessible to everyone. You should be ashamed of yourself. "
StatesideGunner wrote on Dec 14, 2007 2:31 AM:
" This project won't be asking for any taxpayer money, so don't fret all of you who'd hate to spare a few dollars for educating the next generation. It's clear that those involved in the decision making process at UW-L have realized that no fiscal support will be coming from the state anytime soon (ever) and that it's time to do everything possible to make up for people's inability to see value in education and what it brings to this community. I'm sick of hearing all about "smarmy" policies and corrupt school administration.
What we have at UW-L right now seems to be a group of students, faculty, and administration all working together to ensure that the future of the institution is as bright (and hopefully brighter) than it is now. Is that such a bad idea? "
zz wrote on Dec 14, 2007 12:41 AM:
" 6760 How wrong are you. "
6760French wrote on Dec 13, 2007 10:31 PM:
" WRT Ollie's comment: What's wrong with the disabled living in the new dorm finished this year?
My question, "which building was finished this year?"
Second, my understanding is that all public buildings need to have disability access. "
North Sider wrote on Dec 13, 2007 5:32 PM:
" We have never left the, 'ask for $50 if you need $20 playing field'. Thank Goodness for Huebsch and people that believe as he does. They just plain said, NO! They are hunting for money. Hoping they can just tire us out? As the apathy grows. Oh what the heck. "
ezzee wrote on Dec 13, 2007 3:38 PM:
" North Sider, have you ever seen the movie My Cousin Vinny? If you haven't, I would suggest you watch it. THere is a great scene in there with Mona Lisa Vito and the District Attorney that illustrates my points well. I'm not denying your family may be well qualified. Your father was a builder, your mother was a builder, his father was a builder, your cousin on your mothers side was a builder, your great-great-great-great-great-grandpappy on your uncles mothers side three times removed was a builder. Obviously that makes those member well qualified to what you are saying. But just because you sat with your action figures on the construction site playing army doesn't make you qualified. That is my point. "
mindless nomind wrote on Dec 13, 2007 3:33 PM:
" How about the city give UW-L the two old folks high-rises that are just off West Ave, for student housing. Then use FEDERAL taxes to build new old folks homes in better location, since so many people will need them after being forced out of their homes, sounds like Russia. FUTURE = Less people working, taxes higher on the few working, people can't retire, certain type CCap free loaders on welfare forever/ never paid taxes in their life,... just can't wait. "
North Sider wrote on Dec 13, 2007 3:26 PM:
" So ezzee- Which one is it, "Just like you drawing on your families experience of what is going on" or "But just because your family is doesn't make you any more qualified than a hill of beans. " You have left me a little confused. Or is it just another case of soomeone that has, "been on the inside of these types of decisions for many years now." Happens way too often. Throw it up, see if it flys.
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mindless nomind wrote on Dec 13, 2007 3:17 PM:
" Maybe someone with more time can google this, as the Tribune does not seem interested, what PERCENTAGE (in comparision to other state areas) of our local LaCrosse County state/federal taxes go to other parts of the state/nation, as I know Wisconsin has one of the highest taxes and La Crosse county gets little in return, colleges, roads, etc. Recent trips to UW Eau Claire and Oshkosh show clearly many more NEW buildings and MORE 'new' students. "
North Sider wrote on Dec 13, 2007 3:17 PM:
" TO: mindless nomind- The Tribune has the audacity to print that an infusion of a higher education facility in Milwaukee will stimulate the local economy. Although nobody wants to address problems like 17 of our Tech campuses are experiencing huge funding future employee benefit shortages. Again Milwaukee County campus to the tune of $228 million alone, for one benefit! Ignore it, it will go away? "
ezzee wrote on Dec 13, 2007 3:13 PM:
" Well, since we are being dismissive North Sider. "My family built the Met, the Joe, and more than a handful of other stadiums and commercial buildings here and abroad. " I think you have said enough too. Your family is well qualified. But just because your family is doesn't make you any more qualified than a hill of beans. "
mindless nomind wrote on Dec 13, 2007 3:09 PM:
" For those complaining about UW-L, absolutely do NOT look at other UW campuses, because that is where your local tax dollars are going, to fund other areas of the state. Ok if you want, just go to the tax payer funded websites of all the UW public campuses and don't forget the 2 yr state run jr colleges too. UW-L is lagging far behind the others, new buildings, more new students, etc. UW-L/LaCrosse area are getting crumbs from the state tax buffet, but the other areas of state are laughing at us I'm sure. "
North Sider wrote on Dec 13, 2007 2:55 PM:
" Boy I get tired of this non-stop spending. Our County made an identifiable stab at razing the 40 some year old Administration building. Because of wire routing, asbestos, and mostly 3 garage stalls that had gone to heck. Get some one in there and fix the stalls and flat work. As far as you ezzee- "I have been on the inside of these types of decisions for many years now", "I'm not saying that my numbers in this particular case are accurate"? I think you have said enough. "
ollie wrote on Dec 13, 2007 2:48 PM:
" These buildings are built 10x stronger than residential housing.....My dad must be thinking of razing his house it's "out of date" and insufficient by bureaucrats standards. Hell...let's all tear down our houses and rebuild. "
ollie wrote on Dec 13, 2007 2:45 PM:
" 23 million to retrofit a building...BS. Open up the bids and get some contractors that don't have a conflict of interest to bid on the job........... Lies to prove that we need to blow more money. "
ezzee wrote on Dec 13, 2007 2:29 PM:
" North Sider, I get my numbers from being involved in the process of student fees, tuition, building maintenence, rising costs of steel, implementation of standards, and contract negotiations. I have been on the inside of these types of decisions for many years now, and have had the ability to examine many of these figures. Now, I'm not saying that my numbers in this particular case are accurate, but I'm using my experience and knowledge of similar situations to take a guess at what is going on. Just like you drawing on your families experience of what is going on. "
North Sider wrote on Dec 13, 2007 2:21 PM:
" Very seriously! Now if we were to have let those well paid faculty prepare themselves for early retirement. Instead of allowing them to accrue an average of $220k in sick pay. Run the numbers, see how much money is involved. While almost all of us will never see that benefit, or a few will 'do without' as we might save for our early retirements out of our weekly check. Hiding pay in $17k housing allowance and sick pay accounts is nothing less than smarmy, as well as covert. "
North Sider wrote on Dec 13, 2007 2:15 PM:
" JS- "it is their fault"? I enjoy and agree with your posts. Although reflecting I am sure you will agree these bureaucrats never accept any fault. ezze- My family built the Met, the Joe, and more than a handful of other stadiums and commercial buildings here and abroad. Where do you get your numbers? We know if we are paying attention that this a rooting around for money, any money! Although the primary concern is that they are driving this into an 'emergency' situation (crisis management) purposely with the hope that nobody is paying attention. "
jeremy wrote on Dec 13, 2007 2:04 PM:
" I am a UW-L Alumni and seeing what they are doing to this once great campus/school, I will never attend another game or donate to the university again. I was once hoping my kids could attend UW-L, now with the tuition increase to fund faculty raises and give the poor inner city kids a free education, my middle class kids will never be able to attend my alma mater. I'm sick to my stomach! "
melon head wrote on Dec 13, 2007 1:04 PM:
" Dean, your Mom called again and said to tell you to get your blankey, its nap time again. "
dean wrote on Dec 13, 2007 12:15 PM:
" I hope Halliburton isnt going to build it like the embassy,and police station in IRAQ "
JS wrote on Dec 13, 2007 10:17 AM:
" Excuses are everywhere. Buildings are not up to code? If you have ever visited any other universities they do remodels to bring buildings up to code. One of my kids recently moved into housing at the University of Minnesota. They added sprinklers and fire alarm systems to all their dorms. They have also added elevators to their older dorms. In terms of energy conservation they as they do these remodels they bring buildings up to energy efficiency codes. If UW-L has not been maintaining their buildings it is their fault. Students and taxpayers should demand that buildings be maintained instead of letting them get run down and replacing them with new ones. Also great planning by UW-L, they are leaving a 2 year gap where they will have a 400 bed shortage on campus and after that they will still be short 150 beds from what they have now. "
ezzee wrote on Dec 13, 2007 9:33 AM:
" Fixing up and making repairs to these buildings is not as cheap as you people would seem to suggest, and with several of the buildings taking a huge hit by having little to no maintenance over several years just makes them that much worse. In a lot of cases where universities want to build a new residence hall or building, you are basically looking a t a situation where it barely costs less to build a new building then it does to repair. In this case, my guess would be that to fix up the old building, you are probably looking at $22-23 million to repair vs $24 for a new building. "
pjgall wrote on Dec 13, 2007 9:12 AM:
" Their math is a little weak. Say 10,000 students live in the residence halls for the 4 years when they are repaying at 400 per head. That is 4 million, not 26 million. "
North Sider wrote on Dec 13, 2007 9:08 AM:
" Forgot. "increasing all student residence hall rent rates by about $400 a year over three to four years". Hey, Ive got a good idea. Pass the barbecue sauce and I'll share it. "
North Sider wrote on Dec 13, 2007 9:03 AM:
" As they point to parcels they just used as examples for needed parking for the poorly planned stadium crowds? It is not so much that they are directionless and appear smarmy at times. It offends me to watch as they fit our new Chancellor with a tin cup. BTW, where is 'On Too Many Boards' in these articles? "
North Sider wrote on Dec 13, 2007 9:03 AM:
" They hit close Cities and County up for money for a stadium that was supposed to be built with donations. Then they asked for a 1000 student expansion to gin funds (with no raises mentioned). 12 million for more faculty and building, and three million for 'minority' enrollment tuition help as a sales tool. Now they are raising tuition on students that are not even here yet. As they took the vote of those present already for a supposed 'special' permission slip to whack those not here yet? Now we hear they need another $25 million for a housing building. "
wakeup wrote on Dec 13, 2007 8:49 AM:
" We can kiss our Municipal swimming pool good-bye. It's slated to be gobbled up by the university. "
Mike P wrote on Dec 13, 2007 8:49 AM:
" "How far can a fire go in an occupied CONCRETE building?" Are you serious? How about asking the families of the three Seton Hall students who passed away and the 58 others who were injured in the dorm fire there in 2000. "
The Real World wrote on Dec 13, 2007 8:46 AM:
" The moderate must be an gov insider, that is a standard line for tearing down and rebuilding. This who idea is a disgrace to the working people of Wisconsin. I am proud to be in company with all the blogers with the exception of the Moderate. No matter what the bureaucrats tell us this ultimately will cost tax payers forever and it will be a bunch. "
davidinlse wrote on Dec 13, 2007 7:46 AM:
" RE: The Moderate------- So your saying that the university has not done any maintenance or improvements to the building since they were built? I seriously doubt that. If they aren't to code, it seems they should be closed immediately. "
ollie wrote on Dec 13, 2007 6:35 AM:
" BTW the University Administrative Vultures must have swindled/robbed the entire student fund. Now they have to finally come begging to the taxpayers again for this premeditated, sham of a plan. "
ollie wrote on Dec 13, 2007 6:31 AM:
" How far can a fire go in an occupied CONCRETE building? Cheaper alternatives are available. What's wrong with the disabled living in the new dorm finished this year? Or was that left out too? What great new technology relating to energy efficiency are we missing? It is a concrete and brick structure, what is the plan there? Ever heard of adding an insulating layer...much lower cost. Common sense dictates that they stop pissing away my tax dollars, all the while padding the pockets of local developers with their plan to add rental housing as well. "Creating" this housing shortage will also jack up slumlord outrageous profits, which already allow them to pay off their rentals in full within 15 years. These Taxpayer teat suckers made a decision to do this project intentionally in such a way as to force us to accept their "timetable", what a joke. "
The Moderate wrote on Dec 13, 2007 6:10 AM:
" Apparently, you guys have never heard of Fire Sprinklers, Americans with Disabilities Act, or the Energy Conservation Laws and Codes which are just a few of the changes made since the 1960's. "
ollie wrote on Dec 13, 2007 5:27 AM:
" Just how does dorm housing become "functionally obsolete" What a crock. Stop tearing down transient housing then crying that you have no housing. Only wasteful government bureaucracy can update/remodel buildings then tear them down. "
Big Spender wrote on Dec 13, 2007 1:36 AM:
" Like the stadium, the old residence halls are fine...Madison Avenue has brainwashed UW-L leaders into thinking 'it's not good unless it's shiny and new!' It's that same old administrator's disease that has afflicted the La Crosse School Board: good education is obtained with bricks and concrete alone. "
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