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Joe Orso: A Christmas of divided emotions


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Merry Christmas! What first comes to your mind with that phrase?

Does it remind you of the silliest of our culture arguments, the one that pits those who believe religion is a greeting to be defended versus those who take the separation of church and state to mean the separation of church and people?
Or does it bring to mind images of the mall? Or if not the mall, then a fellow in the North Pole waiting to know what you want and who miraculously incarnates in malls?

I love this season. I love the peanut butter cookies with a chocolate Kiss my mom makes and The Pogues song my dad plays about Christmas in the drunk tank. But as we all know, it can be overwhelming.

It’s the time of year when our ills and our joys become magnified.

Our nation’s consumption becomes a ritual in which God wears a red suit and television commercials serve as prophets calling us to church.

We’re always busy, but even busier these days, so busy this newspaper is keeping us reporters busy by running a series about how busy people are these days.

But we also see through all of this. While consumption is the season’s tyrant, there are those who rebel and who seek to show Christmas’ first meaning in which humanity touches divinity.

Maybe he wouldn’t call himself a rebel, but the Rev. Breck McHan is someone who understands this first meaning of Christmas.

This week, McHan, pastor at First Lutheran Church, sent me an e-mail about a Blue Christmas service he will lead at 5:30 p.m. Tuesday at his church at 410 Main St. in Onalaska, Wis.

The service is a response to the fact that this time of the year is filled with sorrow for many. While Christmas is a time when families come together, McHan said, it’s also a time when the loss of a family member can hurt most. Or it’s a time when those trying to have a baby or who have a family member away at war or who have gone through divorce or who suffer depression can feel the sting a little more.

“The gift of Christmas is the incarnation,” McHan said in a telephone interview this week. “God became one of us who truly can understand our grief as one of us.”

With candles, prayer and readings from scripture, the Blue Christmas service will respond to that grief. A light supper will follow. McHan said the service is for those who struggle this season and for those who want to walk with those who struggle.

“We’ll sing songs that will begin gently and move to joy as we’re able,” McHan said.

Of course, First Lutheran isn’t the only place that gets to this deeper part of Christmas. At many other churches and schools and offices, people are gathering gifts for those who can’t afford them. On the Web, AdventConspiracy.org describes itself as “an international movement restoring the scandal of Christmas by worshipping Jesus through compassion, not consumption.”

And even in the mall, you can see divinity on the faces of children sitting in the red lap.

Christmas is consumption to be sure, but in the midst of that, Christmas remains something else.

McHan said it well: “It’s OK to enter into this season and have these mixed emotions. God made us a complex people.”

Joe Orso can be reached at (608) 791-8429 or jorso@lacrossetribune.com.
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bruce049 wrote on Jan 3, 2008 10:31 AM:

" Joe,
CHRISTmas is not about the guy in the red suit. There would be no Christmas without Christ. It would just be mas. "

Seriously Now wrote on Dec 21, 2007 1:01 PM:

" Nice to see there is a "Blue" service for those who are in grief. Usually a death or other bad event knocks a big hole in the cultural "Xmas," but sometimes that same hole lets the light of the real Christmas through. So, if not a merry, at least a Blessed Christmas to all of you who are going through tough times. You are not alone. Next year will be a bit better, and the next even more. "

Michael Welch wrote on Dec 20, 2007 10:57 AM:

" Well Harsch is a big stupid jerk NAAAA NAAAA NAAAA 'n' so's his old man! So there! Hmmmp! But seriously folks -- especially 'Mis-tuh Christian!' (a la the wonderfully malignant performance of Charles Laughton as a sado 'Captain Bligh' in the most entertaining film version of 'Mutiny on the Bounty') I'd disagree again as per 'Christians under siege.' After all they have inordinate influence on one of the only two significant political parties (though they are more 'used' than 'using' if they think about it). It's only that as I said below there's just more EXPRESSED diversity. Atheists of course always 'existed' in America but weren't mentioned publicly, only sotto voce as per homosexuals. Folks now 'fight back' against any religious dominance; they don't just take it as 'the norm'... "

rick harsch wrote on Dec 20, 2007 9:28 AM:

" i think i'm going to become a christian now. what do you think of that, eh Welchy? huh? wanna fight about it? Huh? "

BrianGSmith wrote on Dec 20, 2007 2:55 AM:

" Dear Christian....When Jefferson claims he is a "real Christian"...one who believes in the philosophy and teachings of Jesus Christ he is mocking contemporary and past "churches" claiming to be "Christian". You neglect to mention that Jefferson DID NOT BELIEVE JESUS WAS A SUPERNATURAL BEING....or the son of god. Jefferson, like myself, certainly believe in the general teachings of Christ...helping the poor, loving your enemy, treating others as you'd like to be treated, keep your religion to yourself, etc... "

Christian wrote on Dec 19, 2007 3:00 PM:

" When I was in school, my parents opted to remove me from class in certain instances. That should have been and should still be the option. We do home school our children. According to our constitution, you do have the option to be an Atheist, Agnostic, Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Jew, etc. It does seem, in many cases, that the mere mention of anythng Christian is cause for uproar. These same people/organizations who desire to eliminate public expressions of Christianity have no problem establishing their atheistic/agnostic positions on others. Maybe we should tell everyone, "you can be an atheist, agnostic or whatever, just don't shove your views down my throat." The ACLU, Freedom From Religion Foundation and Americans United for Separation of Church and State come to mind. "

Michael Welch wrote on Dec 19, 2007 12:44 PM:

" What is different is that the United States has MANY more practitioners of other faiths, especially from Asia and the mideast. American Jews of course have always endured 'Christmas pageants' and singing sessions in which they were to voice 'Away in a Manger' or 'Come All Ye Faithful' for a 'faith' they did not share. A Jewish boy in my public grade school in the 1950s refused to sing Christmas carols when the 4th grade teacher decided to have us do so. In a public grade school! Jews pay taxes too; there's no reason a nine-year-old should have to be placed in such a position vis-a-vis his peers. You want religion in schools -- go to a private sectarian school or home teach hmm?... "

Michael Welch wrote on Dec 19, 2007 12:30 PM:

" Christianity is not 'scrubbed'; it's all over the place -- on this blog, in every newspaper, on television. Each day we here have prolonged discussions of the topic; but now there are those who challenge the literal guise that the Bible is a 'history book' and there are even those who posit openly a rejection of any sort of theistic universe. Secular humanism is what permits such; it is the basis of American freedom of thought and conscience. Mike Huckabee's running a 'pro-Christmas' ad pre-Iowa caucus; what station is refusing to air it? Say 'Merry Christmas' if you want; who's gonna stop ya?... "

Christian wrote on Dec 19, 2007 12:16 PM:

" Freedom of choice to belive or not. Is that even true anymore? I DO choose to belive. Unfortunately, any mere mention of Christian beliefs or customs are scrubbed from anything public. Meanwhile, it's okay to mention any other 'religion.' Also, attempting to eradicate ALL 'religion' still promotes atheism, agnosticism, skepticism, secular humanism, or whatever one claims on any given day. Still religion. "

Michael Welch wrote on Dec 19, 2007 12:08 PM:

" Yes the key is 'real Christian, a disciple of THE DOCTRINES' i. e. 'the teachings,' the ethics. And why would he eliminate supernatural occurrences from his gospel version ONLY for the Indians? Supernatural aspects are rife in Indian religions also; why would they disturb them? And as I say you don't run for president as an 'atheist' or a 'deist' for that matter; Franklin once wrote Thomas Paine that Paine was too candid about his unbelief and that while he (Franklin) agreed with TP, Paine ought to understand that his ideas didn't go down well publicly. Jefferson did not want a state church or religion but FREEDOM of choice, to believe or not; that's what is important... "

Christian wrote on Dec 19, 2007 11:40 AM:

" "Rarely do those who make this claim let Jefferson speak for himself. Jefferson's own words explain that his intent for that book was not for it to be a “Bible,” but rather for it to be a primer for the Indians on the teachings of Christ (which is why Jefferson titled that work, “The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth”). What Jefferson did was to take the “red letter” portions of the New Testament and publish these teachings in order to introduce the Indians to Christian morality. As President of the United States, Jefferson signed a treaty with the Kaskaskia tribe wherein he provided—at the government's expense—Christian missionaries. In fact, Jefferson himself declared, “I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus.” While many might question this claim, the fact remains that Jefferson called himself a Christian, not a deist." http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=113 "

Michael Welch wrote on Dec 19, 2007 10:48 AM:

" Well I agree with Harsch (which is not difficult; he's one of the sensible folks who post) that Christmas is superfluous in a way; it's virtually a national holiday of mass consumption and a major contributor to the economic well-being of the USA so who wants its 'celebration' stopped? Not I! I'm not THAT unpatriotic! But re: Smith yeah Jefferson edited his own gospels that EXCLUDED everything he considered supernatural re: Jesus; he respected Jesus as a moral teacher etc. etc. -- precisely what literalist Christians reject: Now Tom it's one the three: Lord, liar or lunatic! Answer! Answer right now! And TJ was also a politician and politicians don't run for office (in America) as 'atheists' nes c'est pas?... "

BrianGSmith wrote on Dec 19, 2007 5:30 AM:

" "It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." - Thomas Jefferson "

BrianGSmith wrote on Dec 19, 2007 5:28 AM:

" "Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, I contemplate with solemn reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" thus building a wall of separation between Church and State." - Thomas Jefferson "

BrianGSmith wrote on Dec 19, 2007 5:10 AM:

" Dear "Christian"....Any two-bit US historian knows the Founders especially wanted church separated from the State. They were witness and were aware the bloody role religion has played in History. They ridiculed Christianity. Indeed "separation of church and state" is not in the Constitution....but niehter is Jesus, Christ, Christian, God, 10 Commandments, etc. There is a reason Jefferson used the word "CREATOR". The geniuses behind the US Constituion were primarily Deist's. Jefferson's Bible had all miracles and revelations cut out. He was a big admire of Jesus' teachings....not of the christian cult that prostitutes his memory. "

rick harsch wrote on Dec 18, 2007 5:37 PM:

" More Chistmas debate? When I was in my teens back in the 70s I could see that Christmas was over commercialized. But that only makes sense in America. Meanwhile, for the devout it is a real holy day. What's the big deal. My only objection is that columnists write about it at all. It's simply no longer an interesting topic. Orso should certainly no better, though what he writes is simply banal, not offensive in the least. "

Christian wrote on Dec 18, 2007 1:46 PM:

" Just a suggestion, maybe brush up on some real history. "I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ." ~ Thomas Jefferson, The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, Albert Ellery Bergh, editor (Washington, D.C.: The Thomas Jefferson Memorial Association, 1904), Vol. XIV, p. 385, to Charles Thomson on January 9, 1816. Courtesy of www.wallbuilders.com. "

Michael Welch wrote on Dec 18, 2007 11:10 AM:

" The 'separation' is certainly implied; indeed that's why the United States constitution broke with its European antecedents in order that NO 'ESTABLISHMENT' of a STATE church be permitted. Of course then the 'freedom of' AND 'of not' IS necessary. Jefferson was not a 'believer' and neither were most of the major founders; they desired intellectual as well as physical freedom which is why Jefferson declared for himself 'eternal hostility toward any tyranny over the mind of man.' Yes worship as you please Mr Christian; no one's gonna make you take down your paganish tree or deny you a belief in Noah feeding those dinosaurs. 'Go there' if you truly wish, but I ain't comin' with ya -- and thanks to the constitution I don't have to... "

Christian wrote on Dec 18, 2007 10:09 AM:

" I'll bite. I'm what most people who know me would call your "literalist Christian." For what it's worth, we don't teach our children about Santa Claus, do put up a Christmas tree, do purchase gifts for friends and family, etc. We also take a plate of cookies with a Christmas card to all of our neighbors, regardless of their past or current response. As far as the "separation of church and state" I'm sure that you both, MW & BS know that that phrase is not in our constitution. Dinosaurs on the ark, now there's an interesting conversation. I don't see how the separation or dinosaur issues have much, if anything to do with the article, but we can go there if you want. Merry Christmas! "

Big Spender wrote on Dec 17, 2007 4:48 PM:

" On "viewing the world," I'll add these Richard Feynman quotes: "We can't define anything precisely. If we attempt to, we get into that paralysis of thought that comes to philosophers… one saying to the other: "you don't know what you are talking about!". The second one says: "what do you mean by talking? What do you mean by you? What do you mean by know?" -- AND -- "Science alone of all the subjects contains within itself the lesson of the danger of belief in the infallibility of the greatest teachers in the preceding generation ... Learn from science that you must doubt the experts. As a matter of fact, I can also define science another way: Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts." -- http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Richard_Feynman "

Michael Welch wrote on Dec 17, 2007 11:27 AM:

" Yes I see; that's why many literalist Christians go silent on these boards; their proselytizing posits an ancient mythological way of viewing the world which they insist is 'history,' even 'science'; but they jam their toes in their eyes over nonsense like dinosaurs on Noah's ark and wonder why they end up with nothing else to say. I have studied theology, not thoroughly of course but enough to realize that intellectual 'belief' in a religion must be based upon metaphorical, symbolic understandings that can translate into a philosophy, not an ideology. Christian triumphalism only breeds say its Muslim counterpart, which oddly Christian rightists seem to welcome. Poor Jesus the pacifist! He's relegated to the rear of that military Jesus every time... "

Big Spender wrote on Dec 16, 2007 11:36 PM:

" whoops, nature, not 'the nature'...ran into the 150 word limit and botched the cuts. "

Big Spender wrote on Dec 16, 2007 11:34 PM:

" Reply to Michael Welch: nope, but I'll certainly look. My atheism diverges somewhat from Dawkins, Hitchens and Harris, the Three Tenors of 'Militant' Atheism, as it were. I find that they skirt around the physical basis for atheistic beliefs (that's probably due to their lack of background in physics). I've been most heavily influenced by the writings of physicists Stephen Weinberg, Richard Feynman, and Lawrence Krauss--so, in essence, the 'God' question is a matter for the physicists and cosmologists--current physical knowledge is good enough to show that the probability that a 'God' or omnipotent alien generated the known universe is essentially zero unless you call the nature itself 'God.' That doesn't make the universe less mysterious or bizarre; there's still a vast unknown that exists at the level of the subatomic particle , 'space' at the Planck length scale, and at cosmological distances. "

Michael Welch wrote on Dec 16, 2007 3:03 PM:

" I also wonder if 'Big S' is familiar with an atheist documentary from 2005 titled 'The God Who Wasn't There' directed by a Brian Flemming and featuring of course Richard Dawkins the 'militant' atheist-scientist? The film posits the Jesus of the NT as a mythical creation rather than a 'literal' historical, though it allows that he was 'based' upon an actual person or persons. At least that is my current understanding; I would be curious if anyone posting has seen the docu and would recommend it as interesting, if ideological?... "

Michael Welch wrote on Dec 16, 2007 2:43 PM:

" Orso above notes how easily it is for Christmas to evoke nostalgia (Mom's 'special' Christmas cookies et. al.), even for a man in his -- Orso looks so young in his photo! -- mere twenties? Mytho-religiously this 'event' symbolizes rebirth of the 'new self' -- actually the 'self' who would NOT be out there assiduously hunting bargains and buoying up an economy on the teeter. Passing Emmanuel Lutheran church on W. Southern between Roosevelt and Hardy in 'my town' of Tempe AZ there's at night a lit-up 'Jesus is born' which I like because THIS Jesus IS 'born' EVERY Christmas as that new (Obama-ish?) hope for 'peace on earth' etc. and in one's own heart. Just so the Orthodox ('eastern') Christians traditionally greet each other on Easter morn with 'Christ IS risen!' i. e. if you really want, in YOUR heart. Has nothing to do with 'history' per se... "

Michael Welch wrote on Dec 16, 2007 2:02 PM:

" As for Orso I like him because he launches us on topics and because he's a tolerant believer obviously AND I hardly object to Christians observing Christmas; but after all the holiday (it IS a 'holiday' now, NOT a 'holy day') is SO commercialized that it's practically secular. Many Jews, maybe Muslims, Hindus (I know of), Buddhists have 'Xmas' trees with requisite presents. It's a shopping season and really absolutely necessary for the American economy -- for if it 'flops' this month, Santa baby, recession ain't that far behind so 'hurry down the chimney tonight' and every night 'til Dec 24 to your local retailers -- and don't forget 'the check'!... "

Michael Welch wrote on Dec 16, 2007 1:51 PM:

" This spate of deletions has been a rather odd phenomenon; I (and 'Big S') were both deleted from Marc Wehrs' latest column comments; THEN we re-posted and I even added a number of mini-essays expanding on my topic -- the Christian right's perception of Jews and pop culture -- and nothing! Was that because I 'clarified' my topic or because the Trib censors reassessed or even because any 'objector' no longer bothered to care? (The 'essays' by the way are really damn good if I do say so; too BAD really that nobody cares...) "

Eddie wrote on Dec 16, 2007 10:46 AM:

" I find the cultural conflict regarding Christmas to be quite fascinating. I don't think any other day better illustrates the evolution of our culture from being predominately Christian and conservative to being more secular and progressive. I hope that we can all get past the irrational BS (like banning the phrase "Merry Christmas") and give the holiday its proper respect, even though it may not be the most culturally significant holiday of the year anymore. "

BrianGSmith wrote on Dec 16, 2007 3:54 AM:

" Big Spender is right in calling out this author, Orso, for belittling (it seems) one of the main foundation pillars of this country....the separation of church and state. Orso wants to grey the lines and that's a dangerous slope. Orso apparently believes in FAUXNews' Bill O'Reilly that there is a war on Christmas. There is, for sure, but the enemy is not those of us who want religion out of government and the state, the enemy is the empty consumerism and the distancing from the real teachings of this Jesus. Merry Chrismas everyone. "

Big Spender wrote on Dec 15, 2007 9:07 PM:

" On my last comment for clarity: all text in quotes was Orso's and it was the whole comment after the parentheses that was deleted...sorry for the poor organization! "

Big Spender wrote on Dec 15, 2007 9:04 PM:

" Regarding the previously-deleted comment: "Does it remind you of the silliest of our culture arguments, the one that pits those who believe religion is a greeting to be defended versus those who take the separation of church and state to mean the separation of church and people?"...well, Orso is a bit weak on his history here: there's nothing silly about this debate at all--this nation's founders were closer in time to the age of European religious wars and sectarian intolerance. It's flippant to call "those who take the separation of church and state to mean the separation of church and people"...no one is trying to separate church and people at all...we're saying just keep YOUR religion out of OUR government! (That's the point that Orso, et al. strangely found offensive enough to delete!) "

Big Spender wrote on Dec 15, 2007 8:52 PM:

" My comment was censored again...Orso and the Trib have a tendency to 'disappear' remarks that are even mildly critical of their personal religious beliefs. Perhaps they are afraid that the 'church grannies' will cancel their subscriptions en masse? I've hit on three main topics that tend to provoke Tribune censors: don't criticize the sports cliques, don't criticize the Christians (Muslims, Hindus, etc. don't count), and stay within the parameters of political correctness when criticizing the city, county and local big businesses. It's not that these journalists are given censorship orders--every journalist coming out of the colleges these days has been cowed into becoming, to paraphrase Orwell, the really well-trained dog who does his tricks without the yell and the whip. "

DJ: wrote on Dec 15, 2007 8:21 PM:

" Only in the hearts of those crass individuals who choose to follow that thread. Merry Christmas, sincerely. And with all that the phrase means. "

Michael Welch wrote on Dec 15, 2007 11:09 AM:

" Christmas has become the super-intensive economic season that makes or breaks many a retail concern; book stores almost never clear a profit but after 'the season.' That the biblical God became human, 'incarnate,' is an interesting idea; it implies a softening of the rules and regulations re: the constant 'failure' perceived in humanity living up to supposed Godly perfection -- whatever that really is strikes me as hard to discern by actually reading what God DOES in the Bible. 'Peace on earth; good will toward man' or toward anyone you didn't like before NEVER seems to occur really but at least it's sung about... "


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