Richard Cranium wrote on Dec 26, 2007 7:11 AM:
" To The Real World:Or, how about this? You have a corporation and you decide to move it to another country and take American jobs with you,you can certainly do that but your products will not be for sale in this country anymore. I still think people are willing to pay their fair share of taxes if they have the money to pay them and can see results.When jobs leave our borders and they don't get replaced, that hurts our economy as much as taxes or more. You can have all the cheap labor you want but if Americans don't have the money to buy things anymore what good is that corporation for this country? I'm right with you on your second comment. I'm surprised you made it. "
The Real World wrote on Dec 25, 2007 10:04 PM:
" By the way, I was in church this morning as I am every Sunday, but I agree all organizations and individuals should pay tax on all property. We need to convert back to no exemptions for anyone. The people who use that facility should pay for it not the people who don't use it. "
The Real World wrote on Dec 25, 2007 9:52 PM:
" Hey Richard Cranium, OK here is a big chance to make progress on the big picture. Corporations don't pay tax........ EVER. They simply ad it to the cost of their products. The problem is if you and do asses them tax they are forced to pass it along with the cost of their product. Then the problem is that then they have to go to Iowa or China in order to compete. That in turn means jobs also leave the country, that in turn means that we have less good paying jobs and that leads to less tax revenue! Merry Christmas!!!!!!! "
Richard Cranium wrote on Dec 25, 2007 6:58 PM:
" To The Real World: I'm glad your willing to fight to preserve this great country. That's what I'm trying to do too. And, I believe most people are including Big Spender.Did I say what my idea of a "great society" was? Did I even say I was an LBJ supporter? Did I say I wanted anyone to pay my way? What I want and what I think the answer is for EVERYONE to pay their fair share of taxes. Big corporations,churches as well as that 55% of people that your talking about.You can't start two wars,give tax breaks to the wealthy corporations (the people that need the tax breaks the least) and expect revenues to increase.In this country you can lose your will to pay but if you don't you can go to jail. This is how we can "thrive as a country". "
The Real World wrote on Dec 25, 2007 4:57 PM:
" Hey Big Spender, No one is sending jobs anywhere, they end up where the people are willing to produce the product at the best price. If it weren't for demands in the American labor force that exceed the level of demands that will allow the product maker a profit. Contrary to what some think, profit is the reason for being in business. Churches are for charity, but business is in need of profit in order to pay all those taxes and benifits for employees. "
Big Spender wrote on Dec 25, 2007 2:40 PM:
" To Greenlite, re: " I guess we could just give everybody eveything and then there would be no entreprenures [sic]"....business is great when it sticks to business and stays out of our government. I don't want to be ruled by rich businessmen: if you think the way they treat their employees is bad, well, they'll treat us citizens worse! This is a government for and by the people, not for and by big corporations, or at least that was partially true at one time! Mr. Big Businessman: stick to being an entrepreneur--don't meddle in our government, don't expect corporate welfare, pay your fair share of taxes, and abide by the same laws that everybody else does--you're no better than anybody else! "
Big Spender wrote on Dec 25, 2007 2:30 PM:
" To Real World, re: " Yea there is corruption in the political and corporate world, but we must work to resolve it. The majority of corporations create jobs and help the system work. Let us all work to preserve the constitution, and that will help your grand children."...the Corporatists are the biggest threat to the Constitution there is: K Street lobbyists, an artifact of the Corporate World, have subverted our national legislature, the Congress, through legalized bribery! Even our local politicians have only an ear for Big Business--ordinary citizens have a hard time getting a response. What Constitution? Big Business is The Government! (And, they're sending the jobs overseas!) "
The Real World wrote on Dec 25, 2007 12:11 PM:
" Richard Cranium, It saddens part of my Christmas, but I will keep fighting to preserve this great country. I feel bad that there so many people who are disillusioned such as yourself. You are doomed, because apathy has destroyed the world you live in. John F. Kennedy had the right idea, if we are to thrive as a country we have to work for the common good. All of the countries that have chosen your idea of a great society have failed miserably. What do you think is the solution. In this country 55% of the taxpayers pay 95 % of the tax revenue, if you continue to abuse them they will lose their will to contribute. Then who will pay your way? "
Richard Cranium wrote on Dec 25, 2007 9:54 AM:
" To The Real World: It's interesting that you quote a Democrat yet your response smacks of corporate Republicanism. I don't think Big Spender is disillusioned at all. He is simply stating what the majority in this country believe.
To Greenlite: She's not even President yet and your already afraid of her. Your hatred is showing and you haven't even given her a chance.Don't worry though, she can't do any worse than Bush and Cheney... "
Greenlite wrote on Dec 25, 2007 9:41 AM:
" BS: I guess we could just give everybody eveything and then there would be no entreprenures or those willing to take a chance and we could all go on welfare and just let the government and Hilary take care of us and why should we have to pay taxes anyway why NOT just let the government do it and we could all go fishing and sit on our computers all day and blog about things that p1ss us off and ... "
The Real World wrote on Dec 25, 2007 7:22 AM:
" Don't listen to big spender, he is a disillusioned individual who does not get the big picture. We need to work hard for the preservation of this great country. It is not what the country can do for us, It is what we can do for the country. Yea there is corruption in the political and corporate world, but we must work to resolve it. The majority of corporations create jobs and help the system work. Let us all work to preserve the constitution, and that will help your grand children. "
Big Spender wrote on Dec 25, 2007 3:20 AM:
" It's vital to get involved and stay involved, even though you will end up discouraged and disillusioned at some point--your input might not change things but it will slow up (just a bit) the conservative opposition's effort to make life for you as tough as they can make it. The Corporate Owners want you to disengage and give up out of sheer exasperation--that's how they maintain power!--hang in there until you croak! Forever hold your head up, agitate and fight! "