Jackson wrote on Jan 5, 2008 1:56 PM:
" Notme; I gotta agree with you there. Lot more idiots on the road causing harm and not just from alcohol but many other substances as well many legal that cause fatigue after being up for days. The trucking industry is the scarriest. Then theres my favorite saying "STUPIDITY KILLS" "
notme wrote on Jan 4, 2008 7:21 PM:
" I don’t want to regulate anything. You are trying to use the “protect us from ourselves” argument. We give licenses to drive to many people. We revoke after the fact, the same with firearms.
Again, your attempt to classify all gun owners as irresponsible mutes your argument.
As to monetary damages, it is called civil court, just as you would if some drunk driver hit your car, no difference. If an innocent is harmed, then the party responsible can/should be prosecuted but we shouldn’t revoke ones right to defend themselves because of what might happen.
"
notme wrote on Jan 4, 2008 7:20 PM:
" There will always be criminals and crime. Good people will always be hurt or killed, and there will always be collateral damage, these things are unavoidable. My point is the individual that got shot had no choice but to run, he is alive purely be accident because the shooter couldn’t aim very well. We all have the right to defend ourselves, and we shouldn’t revoke ones right to defend themselves because fear of what might happen. "
Jackson wrote on Jan 4, 2008 9:53 AM:
" hey whatintheworld : Chill out the only one complaining and b**chin is you! The rest of us are having a conversation and a debate there is a BIG difference.Actually this has been one of the most friendly threads yet I think LOL. "
whatintheworld wrote on Jan 4, 2008 12:12 AM:
" Will you all quiturbitchin because all you guys do is sit here and complain and fight back and forth and DON'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT! Jeez, you are a taxpayer, right? Well, use those rights, quit being so ignorant and thick-headed. Buncha whiners. And use common sense if you still have any. "
kamikazefaase wrote on Jan 3, 2008 11:45 PM:
" To "notme": how are you going to regulate the alcohol? Hunting season is a perfect example of booze and guns being mixed. Please don't be so naive in thinking booze is never around guns and at times their use. With Wisconsin's beer heritage, it doesn't take much. There are already too many people with weapons in this state with access to alcohol. And that's without mentioning drunk driving. Maybe guns should have a breathlizer means before able to be used. But this won't prevent those with anger management issues will it? And it won't stop another student from losing it. I just want to know how I would collect monetary damages from some guntoting good samaritan who discharges their weapon in public and injures or kills someone not involved in the mayhem. Losing that gun permit and feeling guilty isn't good enough. "
kamikazefaase wrote on Jan 3, 2008 11:30 PM:
" Hey "just al": carrying includes the ability to possess. Sean Taylor was able to possess and still had access to his when he was killed. Having a gun doesn't protect you nor does carrying one. The gunman has them also plus the element of surprise of when it will be used first. So unless you have the gun to their head, they have the advantage no matter what. And if yours is drawn out, the question becomes are you the instigator/criminal to the police and should the police force you to lower your weapon before shooting? "
jackson wrote on Jan 3, 2008 8:12 PM:
" To mindless nomind:(So Jackson, this is okay with you and ignore the violent crimes that any minority commits.) I dont know where you got your opinion with what your saying here but I disagree with you and think all crime deserves punishment.I never implied anywhere that we should let violent or any other type of crime go because of race ect or for any reason.You way off base here! "
jackson wrote on Jan 3, 2008 8:08 PM:
" Northsider; what I was trying to say is that there actually is a reluctance to arrest the black population for fear they will scream racism which a small percent use as a ticket to ride free and even still the jails are inundated with blacks simply because they are commiting more crimes than the rest of the population. There is no conspiracy or racism going on it is what it is because of whos doing it and their disrespect for the law and the public PERIOD! "
mindless nomind wrote on Jan 3, 2008 3:30 PM:
" In watching the tv news they showed a black guy, Antonio Shaw -check Ccap, in court yesterday who apparently was one who started all this, but won't identify the shooter. So Jackson, this is okay with you and ignore the violent crimes that any minority commits. Why won't the trib cover this guys court appearance for beating on the female in front of others. If you commit violent crimes, no matter what race/nationality you deserve jail. "
just al wrote on Jan 3, 2008 2:27 PM:
" Hey Kommiefaase, what does one of the C stand for? CARRY, I f the weapons are in the home they are not being carried. This whole thread is about carrying so quit confusing yourslef. "
North Sider wrote on Jan 3, 2008 2:24 PM:
" jackson- You brought it up. Coon Creek riots, burning cop cars. Where was the kid from who lit the car up, other recent address? Was he black? Didn't they find him in Kansas or somewhere down there in short order? and yes they will find this courageless gunslinger as well. The cops are up to speed here, patience. Also, I lost you here, "your results wont be because theres a conspiracy to arrest black people in laCrosse because we all know they actually let most of them go". Run it by again, please. "
jackson wrote on Jan 3, 2008 1:26 PM:
" iF YOU GET THOUSANDS OD DRUNK PPL IN ONE AREA WHAT DO YOU THINK WILL HAPPEN Total BULL remeber the Coon Creek Riots yeah it got crazy and they even torched a cop car but NOBODY GOT SHOT. Yes there has been murders in LaCrosse before and by white people the thing is that the frequency in such a short period in the same location is what makes this so alarming. As for going down to the jail and counting ethnic heads let me just add that your results wont be because theres a conspiracy to arrest black people in laCrosse because we all know they actually let most of them go. So add that variable to your head count and I think it kinda says it all right there.Numbers dont lie people do! "
North Sider wrote on Jan 3, 2008 1:01 PM:
" bigblulove6- You need to go down to County lockup and count heads. This week, in a montht, and in a year. The status will remain the same. Report back to us on what you found out. "
bigblulove6 wrote on Jan 3, 2008 11:51 AM:
" First off let me say that to generalize that shootings commited in lax are only committed by minorities is false. In my 15 years of traveling back and forth and even living in lax i can recall shootings by other ethnic groups. or even more than that. Most murders committed in lax are committed by white ppl. Not to say any names but look at the real facts. Its has nothing to do with race it all comes back to downtown it's self. iF YOU GET THOUSANDS OD DRUNK PPL IN ONE AREA WHAT DO YOU THINK WILL HAPPEN "
North Sider wrote on Jan 3, 2008 9:11 AM:
" MEXIMAN- Come on up and I will show you a picture of our recent family reunion. Which will reflect how far you are off the beam. I will stand on my statement. So, Don't talk about it, it isn't happening? I am not worthy to broach such a subject, Why because I am white, and not Bill Cosby? "
novictim74 wrote on Jan 3, 2008 4:53 AM:
" Great last comment notme. What this all boils down to is that what the gun does is quickly and efficiently equalize un-equals. Merely being able to present a pistol saves lives. Sorry, that's a FACT. I hope and pray the only thing I ever shoot is a paper plate at 25 yards. Nuff said on this subject. "
MEXIMAN wrote on Jan 2, 2008 9:20 PM:
" Nice comment "North sider"...NOT..!!! Get used to us minorities being around, were not all bad so grow up.!!! "
North Sider wrote on Jan 2, 2008 7:33 PM:
" We are being inundated with an influx of Black people from the eastern side of the state. Sadly, many of these people are trouble. It only takes a gander at County lock-up to realize there is a disproportionate problem compared to the breakdown of the local population. Many white people are scared of the violence and influx, and the fact that it might land on them or theirs. Can't say as I blame them, just looking at the odds. There is more involved here than just yelling 'racist'. "
Mythy wrote on Jan 2, 2008 7:01 PM:
" I'm for CCW 100%...now only the criminals have the guns. Law abiding people are helpless, let the criminals WONDER who's packing and who's not!!!! "
Love Lax wrote on Jan 2, 2008 6:52 PM:
" Antonio Shaw, the woman beater in this case should be going to prison now. Too bad he won't help the police find the shooter. "
notme wrote on Jan 2, 2008 6:50 PM:
" The last time around the concealed carry law stated specialized training, permitting, extensive background checks, and absolutely no alcohol. The entire process would have been quite lengthy and expensive.
Suggesting all gun owners are "goofballs" mutes [The Shining]'s comment. Just as "The old western saloon mentality" mutes [kamikazefaase]'s comment as well. No one would be carrying into a drinking establishment.
There will always be homicides, and owning a firearm doesn't guarantee you wont be a victim, but removing ones right of self defense, absolutely guarantees there will be many more victims.
"
The Shining wrote on Jan 2, 2008 6:12 PM:
" Hopefully Wisconsin NEVER gets a concealed carry law. We have far too many irresponsible people living in this state to begin with. We don't need these goofballs pulling loaded guns out everytime they think someone has done something to irritate them. "
ic2020 wrote on Jan 2, 2008 5:39 PM:
" ok... WHO is Sean Taylor?? "
kamikazefaase wrote on Jan 2, 2008 2:01 PM:
" Just what we need: everyone packing a piece and having to check them at the door. The old western saloon mentality. The doorman has enough trouble with IDs let alone guns. What does he do when the drunk comes to get his before leaving and insists he gets his back. If the drunk grabs someone elses and uses it, who becomes liable: the shooter, the doorman, the owner of the bar, the gun owner the drunk grabs. Sounds like a liability question on who pays for the damage, injury, or death of another. I don't care how many states have carry concealed weapons, homicides will happen as Sean Taylor's death proves. "
jackson wrote on Jan 2, 2008 1:14 PM:
" on another note: Open carry makes sense if there alot of people doing it but face it if your the only one on the street wearing a gun and this happens the shooters gonna target you 1st in the act of self preservation and then shoot the victim and if I gotta wear a gun to go downtown I most likely will say screw that leave the gun in the truck and go respectively hang with the O and SFB at the Green Door or Krazy L "
jackson wrote on Jan 2, 2008 1:12 PM:
" Conceal carry will definately reduce the amount of crime thats true and the stats prove it I agree. I dont think in this situation it would had helped but then again if it was someone who can shoot and play pool like me when im drinking firing back I can guarantee you they would be identifying that shooter in the morgue after they unzip him from the body bag. Unfortunately most would had shot another innocent bystander and we would be looking for multiple shooters. "
notme wrote on Jan 2, 2008 7:08 AM:
"
"it's your inability to fight back!!!" is spot-on correct.
In 1987, when Florida enacted such legislation, critics warned that the "Sunshine State" would become the "Gunshine State." Contrary to their predictions, homicide rates dropped faster than the national average.
John Lott and David Mustard, in connection with the University of Chicago Law School, examining crime statistics from 1977 to 1992 for all U.S. counties, concluded that the thirty-one states allowing their residents to carry concealed, had significant reductions in violent crime.
So YES, concealed carry would definitely "decrease the amount of violence "
novictim74 wrote on Jan 2, 2008 5:18 AM:
" I have lived in this city all my life, so it shouldn't surpriae me the way that it does how the liberals come out on this issue. There have always been those select few who seem to think no matter what the situation is we can all join hands, light a scented candle, sing Kumbaya, and hug evil away. The reason that concealed carry has been successful in EVERY state that has "shall issue" permits is simply because no coward would brandish a weapon if there were the slightest chance there were law-abiding citizens among them carrying. It is not the element of surprise these cowards rely on, but rather your inability to fight back!!!! "
kamikazefaase wrote on Jan 2, 2008 1:41 AM:
" You advocates of carry concealed weapons make me laugh. Sean Taylor is dead and he had weapons in his home. The person responsible for this shooting had one element on his side like most people who commit this kind of crime, the element of surprise. No long chats. Just shoot and go. And those with concealed weapons must be shot at or endangered by gunfire before they can return fire. With being in crowded area, no one can guarantee that they could have hit their intended target and not the woman who was initially victimized. While we have another hero in our midst, carried concealed weapons would have been no help in this matter and could have made things a whole lot worse. For everyone's sake, including the woman, I hope we find and fully give this guy life without parole. "
jackson wrote on Jan 1, 2008 10:38 PM:
" Hey Real World thanks for bringing us back to the real story here the writer intended to write. YES this guy deserve public recognition at the least for doing what he did. More often than not people just sit back and watch out of fear and it was BRAVERY that made and what makes this country what it is.Excellent point duly noted and agreed with 100% "
The Real World wrote on Jan 1, 2008 10:29 PM:
" One last comment, I may have missed it but if no one said that the person who was shot did a great thing. I have helped others in the past, and have had a few wounds when I was done. I will help in the future, but I generally don't suggest it. There are people who are not stupid but can not pass buy when someone needs help. I have the ability to be quite helpful, but it really sucks having to fight a gun fight with my bare hands. God bless the hero who helped! "
jackson wrote on Jan 1, 2008 10:20 PM:
" So again I reiterate that this is not a race problem but a lifestyle choice problem by a race of people no different than any one else and untill its dealt with that way it will only feed the fear these thugs intend on projecting into the minds of society. Im tired of these thugs saying everything is societies fault because they are a minority and black. GET OVER IT all races have endured pursecution untill they freed themselves and moved on and the Black race is no exception and the illiterate and downtrotten lazy element of that race needs to realize its a lifestyle and behavior problem that makes their condition exist and not because they are Black dangit! "
notme wrote on Jan 1, 2008 10:10 PM:
" I notice Willie chose not to answer, that alone is sufficient to rate his comment meaningless.
As for concealed carry, we will NOT get that any time soon, so OPEN CARRY is our only option and like the governor, I encourage everybody to practice OPEN CARRY as often as possible.
"
jackson wrote on Jan 1, 2008 10:09 PM:
" Chris i agree with what your saying and just so everyone knows I am white and we just had 4 16 yr old BLack male children spend the night for New Years Eve with my 3 sons and they are from excellent families and we had a blast and I live in an all Black neighborhood here in Nc and really wouldnt want to live anywhere else. This neighborhood use to be THE HOOD feared for 20 miles around with murder drugs you name it and it was the Blacks who policed their own and cleaned it up.LaCrosse is racially behind the times and I having a grown daughter their whom lives with a black man who treats her way better than her white baby daddy did. I got to experience LaCrosse's ignorance 1st hand during my time spent up there last year. "
chris wrote on Jan 1, 2008 9:44 PM:
" part 2:The friends I have are very discouraged by the way their race gets involved in criminal activity. It makes it harder for the rest of the black people to get on with their lives instead of living in the past or the present "bad guy" shadow. My experience is that not all black people are good, but there are black people who are, and those are the people, besides the victims, whom I feel sorry for. Those who try to be good and do their jobs of just being people trying to make an honest living. "
chris wrote on Jan 1, 2008 9:43 PM:
" Teiresias: I don't think it is "typical racist La Crosse". I think it is the experiences of each race. For instance, (this is on record in La Croose), a white womana disorderly conduct ticket for saying "n@*%er" IN FRONT OF a black man, but the black man got nothing for calling the white woman, cracker, white trailer trash, honky, etc. I have had the privledge, and not in La Crosse, of making black friends. I am white. My black friends and I have had deep conversations about their experiences vs my experiences being raised in La Crosse, a "white" community at the time. I find it very interesting the different cultures still to this day. "
Teiresias wrote on Jan 1, 2008 7:54 PM:
" So, "just the facts" wants the Cognac Club closed down even though there isn't one fact in the article to indicate that the people involved were even at that club, just standing in front of it. Round up the usual suspects and hold them (maybe even waterboard them) until we find out what we want to hear. Guilty until proven innocent. Reactionaries and racists, just what I'd expect in LaX. "
The Real World wrote on Jan 1, 2008 6:56 PM:
" Hey, just the facts, I will tell you that this event may not have happened at all if we had a CCL. The reason is that this punk would have feared for his life and not have taken the chance. I know that is not always the case but, we don't know how often a gun crime does not happen because the victim or others can stop a shooter. Cowards take less chances when they might get hurt. "
philh wrote on Jan 1, 2008 6:47 PM:
" when I first heard of this, I already knew which bar it was in front of without reading any further. When will they shut down that place?? It is "little ghetto" right in the heart of La Crosse.
There is a juristiction that no strip clubs can operate in the area, but it is OK to have a gansta' joint downtown?? "
mindless nomind wrote on Jan 1, 2008 5:41 PM:
" Hopefully the witness's (or doubt shooters friends in car) can still identify the shooter if they weren't too drunk, note 'bartime'. Lots of violent weapons cases are solved without the bullet/weapon. Also to pull a gun and shoot someone with it in front of others, I doubt this is the shooters first crime. I hope he is caught soon before another person is hurt by him. To Jackson: some of your points if true are interesting though. "
jackson wrote on Jan 1, 2008 4:57 PM:
" Im no expert but if they find the shooter and the weapon how are they gonna tie him to the crime since the bullit is still in the victim? "
chris wrote on Jan 1, 2008 4:56 PM:
" Why don't we have a pix of this dude? It seems someone knew him (ie: the woman?). Why don't we have his name or did she not know him? And like someone else said, where were the plates from the car? What kind of car? A lot of details missing that could help.
And, just in case everyone has forgotten, our neighbors to the west have conceal and carry and no one is shooting them up in La Crescent, are they? "
just the facts wrote on Jan 1, 2008 4:38 PM:
" I believe in a well regulated CCL,but this would just have caused a shoot out on public streets. This infamous club should should be shut down right now! The liscense should be revoked without delay. Any one connected with the brawl should be jailed until the necessary info is recieved! "
Nikki Beaverhausen wrote on Jan 1, 2008 3:16 PM:
" Concealed carry is already here, how else did this guy get shot? It's just the only ones carrying are the criminals. There just aren't enough police to go around downtown. Someone should go down there and film during bar time and post it on youtube. "
antieverything wrote on Jan 1, 2008 3:03 PM:
" Do you remember how lacrosse pd handled the cuban influx in the 80's. There was an iron fist in the pd and prosecuters office. sadly that is not around today "
The Real World wrote on Jan 1, 2008 2:42 PM:
" Here is part of the big picture. This gutless thug, knew that the rest of us could not defend ourselves, so we continue to be at his mercy. I know many people who have concealed weapons permit. They are not drunk and out of control, they are very calculated and careful individuals. It is the criminal types out there who are shooting innocent bystanders. I am in my mid 50s, and very capable with many weapon's. The public has no need to fear me, but I am unarmed, so when you are confronted by a random shooter, and your life is in danger, your going to die, and your family should blame governor Doyle, for ensuring weapons are only in the hands of criminals. "
jackson wrote on Jan 1, 2008 2:30 PM:
" Im seeing a pattern here with this bar and location and its clientel and the lack of professionalism by LaCrosses finest. How the hell could they not have a description of the car, a plate number or even a name ect.The brothers in that bar know everyone and are a close knit clan and they may have not gave up a name but I guarantee they know it so in a real police investigation they would turn up the heat on those patrons untill they hand him over.Can you smell the stink? "
jackson wrote on Jan 1, 2008 2:24 PM:
" Part 2. The cops had no interest in looking at the surveilance video ect and took our friend to jail. We insisted on givingstatements and did ect but they still released the assailants.
The assault was totally unprovoked. i returned to NC only to read online that there was a shooting/ killing and drug bust in Winona after the shooting in downtown at the same bar then named Millenium and there was the guy that attacked us on murder and drug charges and the reason they didnt charge and arrest him for the incident was SURVEY SAYS! "He was under federal investigation for drug traficking" and they didnt want to mess up their case and later a man DIED because the cops didnt arrest him and jail him. "
jackson wrote on Jan 1, 2008 2:18 PM:
" The last shooting that occured there was commited by a guy whom I was in an altercation with along with several of my buddies around Octoberfest that year and long story short his entourage dragged our buddy from a car at kwiktrip while he was passed out and we were inside and began putting the boots to him so he pulled out a knife and that ended it as we saw what was happening and came to his aid The assailants were all black males driving 2 suburbans with MN plates. Cops came and arrested our buddy for being on probation and having a knife and let them go. "
jackson wrote on Jan 1, 2008 2:13 PM:
" I am actually impressed that the tribune finally reported the whole story or at least as much as can be known for Im sure the cops arent releasing some details.Theya ctually mentioned the clubs name too so obviously now they have actual confirmation that is where it happened and arent subject to legal recourse by the owner. "
boingo wrote on Jan 1, 2008 1:54 PM:
" This shooter reached into the back seat and grabbed the loaded gun. He had obvious intentions about using it as it was ready to go. When he is caught, hit him with premeditated attempted murder charge and put him away for decades. Whether he was going to shoot the woman, another brother or some bystander doesnt matter. He was ready to shoot someone. He can hang with his homies in prison and see how tough he is in there. Also, get the driver of the car for being an accomplice. "
Sully wrote on Jan 1, 2008 1:36 PM:
" Thugs and criminals already have the right to concealed carry. That is the right that comes with not giving a rat's a ss about the laws the rest of us have to live by. Let's level the playing field. Or better yet just carry. If the State won't protect and serve the people who obey the law they give up their right to deny us our own self defense. "
dg1960 wrote on Jan 1, 2008 1:20 PM:
" Does anyone really want a bunch of liquored up hot heads carring around weapons at bar time?? Let cops do their job and you do yours by reporting crimes to the right authorities. AND FOR GOD'S SAKE LEAVE YOUR GUNS AT HOME !!!!!
Anyone saying I have the right to protect myself shouldn't have the right to accidently shoot someone else by mistake. IDIOTS!!!! "
jackson wrote on Jan 1, 2008 12:42 PM:
" Also remember on of the greatest misconceptions of the constitution is that the government has a duty to protect us which is simply NOT true and it does NOT say anything like that in there, which is why we have the RIGHT to protect our selves and bear arms. So you cannot blame the cops and the Government in these instances. "
jackson wrote on Jan 1, 2008 12:36 PM:
" So they think theya re running the show and controling things when all they really are doing is being a fund generating machine for our double dipping buerocrats while driving real estate prices down in potentially future developmental neighborhoods and when the time comes there will be a big sweep they will round them all up and lock them up from ther esults of their ongoing investigation and make more money. Silly wabbits tricks are for kids! "
jackson wrote on Jan 1, 2008 12:32 PM:
" Finally with such a low crime laid back city as LaCrosse is whit only a few Big fish that control the whole pond its quite obvious that these people and that establishment is allowed to remain simply because someone wants it there and has a monetary incentive to allow it to remain be it political or whatever. Crime generates federal funding and its actually not uncommon around here for local law enforcement to welcome some crime to retain its funding for instance in a low crime year the allocation would be reduced but then during a high crime year the funding falls short. GET IT? "
jackson wrote on Jan 1, 2008 12:19 PM:
" Also although its legal to conceal and carry here city municipals have the right to ban it inside their limits like in Chapel Hill for example you cannot carry on your person inside the city limmits.Heres an example of a loop hole for felons. In NC felons caught with weapons must me charged by the feds and the case load is so heavy here that only about 3% are actually prosecuted federally and the ones that arent the local athorities must return their weapons. Nice HUH? "
jackson wrote on Jan 1, 2008 12:02 PM:
" SURVEY SAYS! Yes it was a 22 caliber gun just as i predicted! Now follow the rest of my lead and go look in ROCKFORD! Conceal carry would be a disaster in an alcohol fueld playing field such as LaCrosse. Statistics show that more oftern than not someone is shot by their own gun by it being taken away from them in an altercation be it a fight or home invasion. Here in NC we have conceal and carry and anyone can get a permit and it does deter confrontation simply because everyone knows everyone carrys a gun.People get killed here everyday all over as well and most of the time alcohol is not involved. "
3189 wrote on Jan 1, 2008 11:17 AM:
" For those in favor of concealed carry, if it ever passed, it would not be legal to carry in a bar and it is not legal for anyone to carry a firearm while intoxicated. My point here is that the honest citizen would leave the gun at home while out on the town drinking which is what most are doing at 2:06am. The CCL most likely would not have helped in this case. "
notme wrote on Jan 1, 2008 10:44 AM:
" Oop, wrong sensor. Should have been censor. "
notme wrote on Jan 1, 2008 10:38 AM:
" Willie:
You are correct. There are VERY FEW instances where lethal force could be justified and in close quarters, such as down town, it would be difficult. A good witness would be most helpful, after the fact. However, I’d like you to consider, as an ex LEO, let me ask you, which do you prefer: Standing there and taking one in the chest and then trying to run away with a bullet in you, or having the opportunity to defend yourself.
"
pinky wrote on Jan 1, 2008 10:37 AM:
" How about a description and/or license# of the car the shooter was supposed to be riding in? Wouldn't that help find this guy? "
The Shining wrote on Jan 1, 2008 10:35 AM:
" Maybe people should stay away from the bars and alcohol and decrease the risk of things happening like that. Gee, wouldn't that be a noble idea. "
notme wrote on Jan 1, 2008 10:20 AM:
" Well Jaxx:
I guess my reply to you contained way to much truth as that is the only reason I can think of that would make the sensors remove it. "
Willie wrote on Jan 1, 2008 10:09 AM:
" Good point Jaxx, in this case the best thing to do would have been to call 911 and be the best witness possible. A plate number on the waiting vehicle would have been nice. I am for the concealed carry law, however anyone trained properly (to include police) might not have been able to safely return fire i.e toward the street, other occupied bars across the street, crowds of bystanders? I fear there are too many John Wayne's out there that are proposing CCW laws who think it will give them a license to kill. Every time they make one of their comments, I lean a little more toward the Sheriffs, police chiefs, and other law enforcement officials that are against them. I guess the old cop in me never died when I left law enforcement 15 years ago. "
notme wrote on Jan 1, 2008 8:12 AM:
" The college kids started operation River Watch, or whatever it was, I respectfully suggest we start operation Safe Streets whereby armed citizens patrol the high crime neighborhoods. La Crosse is still a decent town, will the citizens stand to defend it or let it go to the criminals? "
Jaxx wrote on Jan 1, 2008 8:08 AM:
" Okay, so the arguments about the concealed weapons make me kind of nervous. I already don't like the idea of a criminal having a weapon, shooting people who are trying to help. The thought of a person taking matters into their own hands with a concealed weapon... Well, am I the only one who thinks that we should let the professionals handle criminals? It sounds like the La Crosse Police Department responded immediately. "
notme wrote on Jan 1, 2008 8:01 AM:
" You guys and your concealed carry argument are wasting your breath. Doyle has repeatedly said he will NOT sign any concealment law and with the state houses divided, we won’t even see a bill get to his desk. The solution is simple, practice OPEN CARRY. Governor Doyle recommends and supports open carry 100%.
We know that unless we increase the size of the police force by over 9,000% that there aren’t enough officers to protect every citizen within the city limits, so your only real hope is to carry. We also know that the criminal element here in La Crosse has a foothold and it getting more powerful every day. The only question is, when will the law-abiding citizens of this town start standing up for themselves?
"
Ian wrote on Jan 1, 2008 6:57 AM:
" Taxpayer, blaming police officers for this is very misplaced anger. The entire fault is with the shooter, unless you are trying to make the point that right to carry laws make criminal acts such as this less likely. La Crosse is no different from any other city; it cannot afford to have police officers on every corner. I really doubt you would want to live in a city that is under occupation by the number of officers that would require. Yes, the law does penalize only the good guys and ensures unarmed victims, but the police do not make the law. "
mindless nomind wrote on Jan 1, 2008 5:14 AM:
" To 4:39am post, you can change your name so called 'taxpayer', but your constant whining posts about the cops is way old and them busting your kiddie parties. Didn't someone in Winona just die about that. Grow up just alittle and try to live in real world and stop 'blaming' cops for what happens here or anywhere else. They can't be everywhere and stop everything, especially when a sudden violent attack like this happens. Yeah, the cops should 'read peoples minds' before anything happens, that makes sense right. "
mindless nomind wrote on Jan 1, 2008 4:57 AM:
" Lets see, the uninvolved 'person'/shooter, getting into the car, turned and fired gun at the good samaritan(s), without warning or provocation. The shooter fired at the fleeing injured shot victim TWICE more, so ANYONE on the street could have been hit/KILLED. What kind of 'person' would do this. What kind of person would 'protect' this shooter, from being identified/arrested. What kind of person owns this 'club'. What kind of people in this city allow this 'club' to operate with multiple shootings and recent MURDER. "
La Crosse TaxPayer wrote on Jan 1, 2008 4:39 AM:
" Maybe if wisCONsin had a CCP law this low life piece of @#$% would be behide bars or dead instead of walking around free!! We all know the keystone cops in this town are not able to do much more than stop drunks for walking into the river (wait they need help from collage kids to do that also) or stopping young adults from having parties!!! When is wisCONsin going to realize that the scum already carry guns and the law abiding citizen needs and wants the right to protect themselves and there family from these gangbangers!! Just another example that the cops do a great job of protecting us law abiding citizens, I sure do feel safe living here with protection like this. We law abiding citizens in wisCONsin need and want to be able to protect ourselves like 48 other states allow!!! "
boingo wrote on Jan 1, 2008 3:06 AM:
" It would be easier if someone had the guts to come forward and identify this piece of S$#T. Only the coward would shoot at an innocent and run. Just like them all. Hey Big Spender, you mean when CIVILIZED HUMANS fight, they use there fists. Lowlife worthless trash take the coward way out and shoot. This MF will be caught "
Big Spender wrote on Jan 1, 2008 1:01 AM:
" La Crosse is a mix of rural and urban folk...when rural people get into fights, they tend to settle it with their fists. Rural barhoppers come into town unaware that there are urban criminals walking around packing a piece--don't get into an altercation here if you find yourself confronted and unarmed--call the cops and let them deal with it. "
HonestAbe wrote on Jan 1, 2008 12:31 AM:
" If citizens could arm themselves, it sure would help in these situations! "
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