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Bill would impose video game surcharge to fund increased juvenile justice system costs


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MADISON — Gamers of Wisconsin, start saving your pennies. You’ll have to dig deeper for your beloved “Halo 3,” “Madden NFL ’08” and “Grand Theft Auto” if a state lawmaker gets his way.

State Sen. Jon Erpenbach, D-Middleton, has proposed a bill that would raise the age at which Wisconsin law considers a person an adult in criminal court from 17 to 18. That means the juvenile justice system would have to accommodate 17-year-olds, driving up costs for counties that administer court procedures, treatment and education for juvenile delinquents.
Enter the gamers — and their wallets. Erpenbach’s measure would pay for the new expenses by creating a new power pill for the counties: a 1 percent surcharge on video games and video game consoles, such as Wii systems, Xboxes and PlayStations. The fee would translate to about 60 cents more on the $60 “Halo 3” or $2.50 more on a $250 Wii.

The surcharge would be the first on video games and consoles to support juvenile justice in the country, according to the Entertainment Software Association. The group’s CEO, Michael Gallagher, blasted the idea. He said the surcharge amounts to a discriminatory tax, wrongly implies a link between video games and crime, and would stunt the video game industry in Wisconsin.

“It negatively impacts the hundreds of Wisconsin citizens whose jobs and families depend on the computer and video game industry,” Gallagher said.

Erpenbach said he doesn’t believe video games cause crime. He simply was searching for a revenue stream to cover his bill, he said.

“Here’s one idea to pay for it,” he said. “If you have another one, fine.”

Kaethe Paynter, 36, of Madison, loves to play “Jak and Daxter” and “Ratchet and Clank” on PlayStation 2 with her son, 21-year-old Tristan Rondu. She said 1 percent more amounts to almost nothing for consumers and the money would go to a good cause.

“It would be like young people helping young people,” she said. “It’s a sensible approach to things.”

Wisconsin is among 10 states that automatically treat 17-year-olds as adults in criminal court, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures; 38 other states consider them juveniles.

An average of 27,830 17-year-olds were arrested in Wisconsin each year between 2004 and 2006, according to the latest state figures.

Erpenbach said the law is too harsh. He wrote in a memo to other legislators that brain research proves adolescents make hasty decisions and act on impulse, leading to trouble.

Wendy Henderson, a policy analyst for the Wisconsin Council on Children and Families, said the juvenile system provides treatment and education 17-year-olds need to salvage their lives. Paying for it through video games is appropriate, she said.

“Video games are perhaps not the best use of the kids’ time, so if we can use some of the money from the video games and turn it into something positive, that’s a really good use of that money.”

Erpenbach stressed the bill wouldn’t change provisions in state law that automatically treat anyone older than 10 as adults if they’re charged with violent crimes, such as first-degree murder.

The measure also wouldn’t affect provisions that give prosecutors the option of charging kids between 14 and 16 as adults in other crimes, including kidnapping, drug dealing or gang activity, Erpenbach said.

But the bill’s prospects are murky. Erpenbach is searching for co-sponsors and hasn’t formally introduced the proposal.

No estimates has been made yet of how much the measure might cost counties or how much revenue it could generate. John Reinemann, legislative director of the Wisconsin Counties Association, said the group supports moving 17-year-olds into juvenile court but can’t get behind the bill unless it would clearly pay for itself.

Rep. Steve Nass, R-Whitewater, went Donkey Kong on the measure, sending an e-mail to Republican Assembly members in December warning the bill would create a new sales tax and questioning the tie between video games and juvenile justice.

“Bah-humbug!” Nass’ e-mail said of Erpenbach’s plan.

Still, Nathan Bakken, 20, of Stoughton — a big fan of games such as Guitar Hero and Mass Effect 2 — said the surcharge wouldn’t change his game-buying habits.

“I’m not going to boycott it or anything,” he said. “It’s not that much money. And it’s helping people.”
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jeremy wrote on Jan 7, 2008 11:26 PM:

" Abe - don't you have a come back? If yawning and laughing at the sacrifices my wife and I have made to live responsibly on our own and not off the government is funny to you then you need a reality check. We have made sacrifices that apparently you aren't willing to make. You would rather take a hand out. That's the problem with America now. Everyone feels they're entitled to something. I've got news for you, you're not entitled to my money or my kid's college tuition. Do something positive to change your life, stop waiting for a hand out. "

HonestAbe wrote on Jan 7, 2008 8:33 PM:

" **yawwwwwwwnnnn** (lol) "

jeremy wrote on Jan 7, 2008 8:35 AM:

" I don't believe that I should be paying for other's health insurance, mortgage, ect. I saved every penny so I could have health insurance. My wife and I lived in a crappy 1 bedroom apartment for 5 years so we could save to get a house. We did without a lot of things to get health insurance and a house mortgage. And now that we have it, I dont' intend on paying higher taxes so that others can have those things without earning them. It is your responsibility to fund your own health insurance. It is your responsibility to make sure you are financially capable of buying a house. It's not the taxpayers job to take care of your responibilities. Don't like your situation, get off your butt and do something about it. It wasn't fun saving for a house/health insurance, but it's the way it is now days. "

jeremy wrote on Jan 7, 2008 8:26 AM:

" abe, you're just upset that I've caught you. Fact is, you're willing to take from me and my children, so you can have health insurance. But you're not willing to pay a couple of extra bucks to help kids in the juvenile system. That's a double standard. It's not in my best interest to have you healthy, it's in your best interest that you're healthy. If you're willing to make everyone else pay more taxes so you can have health insurance, I would think at the least you would keep your mouth shut about tax raises to support other causes. "

HonestAbe wrote on Jan 7, 2008 4:24 AM:

" jermy, no, I don't suffer from that. I'd figure a society would want healthy residents, so is in the best interest to keep everyone healthy, but as long as it is a privatized industry ... it'll never happen. I'm willing to pay a little tax here and there for the good of the population, but taxing video games to offset costs for bad kids, doesn't even target them, it targets game players, who are no longer just kids. I'm sure you'll come back with some twisted "screw Abe" comment, that's fine, let your true colors glow, flamer. "

just-observing wrote on Jan 6, 2008 11:17 PM:

" Well I agree that this is yet another do good, feel good tax...but...all of you that thought the $1.00 tax increase on tobbaco was a GREAT idea it's about time you also pay up... Hell let's not stop there.... let's tax the hell out of make up...100% tax increase on all fast food....150% tax increase on any automible not getting 20 miles per gallon..regardless of age of the vehicle...you should get the point...if not....pay at the big bay "

Rserp1 wrote on Jan 6, 2008 10:08 PM:

" That is the stupidist idea I have ever heard.
What should be done is cut taxes by getting rid of juvenial courts all togther! younger than 18 and commit a crime get taken back to your folks house and let the parents deal with them. Unless it is a violent crime like rape or murder than be charged as an adult no matter what age. because the wiring is not right at any age when that is commited.
Other wise kids will be kids. "

DJ: wrote on Jan 6, 2008 6:50 PM:

" Another stupid tax idea from the donkey people. What is wrong with all of them? It must be something in their genes, or dockers, or whatever. You really don't have to tax everything just because you can. "

jeremy wrote on Jan 6, 2008 4:22 PM:

" honest abe suffers from don't take from me, but I'll take from you syndrome. He doesn't want to pay for a video game tax because he has no kids, yet he wants to take money from me to have social health care, so he can have health insurance. Oh and by the way, I am not paying for some idiot that got a home mortgage that they can't afford. It took my wife and I 5 years to save for a downpayment and to make sure we were financially ready. I'm not going to spend my hard earned money to bail out someone living outside their means. "

HonestAbe wrote on Jan 6, 2008 3:34 PM:

" jeremy, lol, everyone has some freetime, no matter how hard you work. Me spending $20 on games once in a great while, isn't even close to trying to afford monthly privatized insurance, get real. Charge to the hilt anyone who is at the hospital popping out kids, or has them already, add a tax to that activity, THAT'S the problem. I have no kids, yet play games, so, why should this affect me at all? I really don't care quite frankly, the games I have I've had for years, and haven't bought one in a very long time, tax away, if I'm only concerned about mememe, I don't care. Jeremy, maybe if you played a game once in a while you wouldn't be so frustrated, and make a hobby of keeping up with everyones posts on here. "

Krusty wrote on Jan 6, 2008 2:15 PM:

" How about we tax senators who come up with stupid ideas? "

jeremy wrote on Jan 6, 2008 1:47 PM:

" honest abe - let me get this straight, you need the state to give you health insurance, but you can afford to by gaming systems and video games? Maybe your video games have something to do with your current situation. Stop playing games, get a better job. Stop spending money on video games and spend it on health insurance. You have proven the me right, social health care is a bad idea. "

Double A wrote on Jan 6, 2008 1:21 PM:

" I like the idea. OK ...so video games don't cause crime. But I am of the opinion that video games do more harm than good. So this is a way to give something back. "

chide wrote on Jan 6, 2008 1:08 PM:

" Re: HonestAbe

Wow.. unfortunately for you, the gambling idea isn't really possible. Under state it is illegal to run a casino on non-tribal lands. It doesn't matter if you're the city or not. Furthermore, the city cannot make bar slot machines legal if it wanted to because state laws always preempt city ordinances.

As for police officers, I believe (but may be wrong about this) that the city may set a mandatory retirement age. But how would you pay for their pension for those extra years they're in retirement? "

justaguess wrote on Jan 6, 2008 12:24 PM:

" terri, that is not a bad idea about taxing people who have children. Why, not...but make it large enough to tax the education they will get in the future...consider that a surcharge. It would certainly remove the school tax off property taxes. Those that complain, to bad, you weren't paying attention... "

antieverything wrote on Jan 6, 2008 9:59 AM:

" Hard to be bipartisan... just kidding, he is a Democrat. So far there is little support for this bill. What clown. "

leclairelarry wrote on Jan 6, 2008 8:18 AM:

" This is totally rediculous, who elected this man? He sure can't be a real farther! Come on now. Maybe you can figure a way to tax us on using our rest rooms too. "

Terri wrote on Jan 6, 2008 7:35 AM:

" Welcome to Wisconsin, the land of taxes! Urpenbach, why don't you tax the children as they are born, that way you can finance your plan by taxing those that will someday use it. You tax us to death, you might as well start at the beginning too. "

HonestAbe wrote on Jan 6, 2008 3:56 AM:

" If I ran for mayor ... alternate side parking would only apply to days it actually snows ... LaCrosse would have a casino ... taxes would drop drastically ... the casino would help pay for people in jeopardy of losing their houses to foreclosure, our tax base. All non-violent prisoners would get home arrest, no need for a new jail ... bars could operate any gambling machines they want, and pay a portion to the city, above the table, not only paying if caught in the act. Nobody on the police force over age 50. And that is for starters. "

30558 wrote on Jan 6, 2008 3:55 AM:

" Welcome to the real world kiddie. As in taxes. "

HonestAbe wrote on Jan 6, 2008 3:27 AM:

" At dictionary.com a surcharge is read as; sur·charge /n. Pronunciation noun, verb
1. an additional charge, tax, or cost. So, "surcharge" is a fancy name for TAX. Imagine that. You anti-smokers that wanted us smokers to get taxed to he|| ... remember I said they'd come after what you like next ... here's another example, and this is just the start. We're broke folks. www.costofwar.com Lets open "Casino LaCrosse" we'd be RICH. Keep all the money right here ... no more busses going down the road to other states or 'nations'. "

HonestAbe wrote on Jan 6, 2008 3:19 AM:

" I buy all my games online, used, so this would not even effect me, but that isn't the majority. I agree with the other poster that said why should good kids pay for the bad ones. As well, most kids get games as gifts from their parents, how many kids actually use their allowance to pay for a $50 game? So people, this is a tax on you, the adults, disguised as an innocent little TAX. The person interviewed doesn't have a problem with it, because it goes to a good cause ....... uh what ......... the cause is kids that are sent to jail! Let 'em make license plates, or sort papers, if they're treated like adults in the states eyes, work 'em like adults. shesh "

hinker wrote on Jan 6, 2008 2:37 AM:

" Why tax videogames? Why pick that out of all the things that could be taxed? Maybe I read the article wrong, but this just seems stupid. Any 17 year old should be able to think for themselves and know right from wrong. One year doesn't make a whole lot of difference. "

whatintheworld wrote on Jan 6, 2008 1:32 AM:

" There you go people, just one more way they're taxing us to pay for some stupid crap. I'm so sick of it, I think I'm going to move, Wisconsin is becoming worse than Bush. A cigarette tax to support Doyle and his spending habits and now this...yeah, they lied to us people, it's not to help the smokers or anything like that, get real, you actually think they care? LOL "

Big Spender wrote on Jan 6, 2008 12:21 AM:

" On the article quote: "It would be like young people helping young people,”....nope, it would be like good kids getting robbed to pay for the bad ones--let the troublemakers pay for their own misdeeds with hard labor. Why should decent folk always be spending fifty percent of their income, labor and time-on-earth cleaning up the messes generated by dysfunctional people who are forever causing these problems? American society spends most of its effort cleaning up after its worst elements; think what we could do if we went back to nationbuilding again! "

Athenry wrote on Jan 5, 2008 11:27 PM:

" Just buy them out of state or on the internet. "


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