Click here to view La Crosse Area Weather
Home > News > Story
 Advertisement 

Published - Wednesday, January 16, 2008

POST COMMENT | READ COMMENTS (11 comment(s))

‘Frankenstein’ veto going to state voters


.
MADISON — With an overwhelming vote Tuesday, the state Assembly placed the fate of the “Frankenstein” veto in the hands of Wisconsin voters.

But even if an April referendum banning the practice is approved, Wisconsin’s governor still will have the strongest veto power in the country, an expert on state government said.
A ban on the Frankenstein veto would prohibit Wiscon-sin’s governors from combining disparate words and phrases from different sentences to stitch together new sentences in spending bills — and create new laws the Legislature never intended.

But governors would still be able to:

  • Reduce spending amounts by eliminating numbers (striking a zero, for example, to cut an appropriation from $100,000 to $10,000);

  • Reduce spending amounts by writing in lower figures;

  • Effectively change policy in new laws by striking words within a sentence, or cutting whole sentences within a given budget item.

    “Wisconsin still will have the most powerful veto (if the Frankenstein veto is banned), which makes the governor extremely powerful,” said Ed Miller, a political science professor at University of Wisconsin-Stevens Point.

    By a 94-1 vote — with Rep. Frank Boyle, D-Superior, the lone dissenter — the Assembly approved a resolution to ask voters whether the constitution should be amended to ban the Frankenstein veto. Voters would weigh in on the measure on the April 1 ballot, when they also will vote for a Supreme Court justice and other state and local nonpartisan races.

    The proposed amendment asks whether the constitution should be changed “to prohibit the governor, in exercising his or her partial veto authority, from creating a new sentence by combining parts of two or more sentences of the enrolled bill?”

    Approved by the state Senate in December on a 33-0 vote, the measure has no real opposition, and proponents expect it to pass.

    Gov. Jim Doyle, whose controversial veto in 2005 transferring money from the state’s transportation fund to increase school spending by $330 million renewed scrutiny of the practice, and others could argue that banning it would make it harder for the governor to reduce spending, Miller said.

    Matt Canter, a Doyle spokesman, didn’t return calls Tuesday.

    Wisconsin governors have had partial veto power since 1931. But the veto was used sparingly in spending bills until Democratic Gov. Patrick Lucey took office, according the Legislative Reference Bureau.

    Lucey issued 159 vetoes between 1971 and 1977, according to the bureau. Governors who succeeded him issued even more partial vetoes until Republican Gov. Tommy Thompson set a record in 1991 with 457.

    A year before that, state voters banned the so-called “Vanna White” veto, named for the “Wheel of Fortune” game show star. That veto allowed governors to delete letters or combine parts of words to form new words and sentences.

    While governors still will have a lot of leeway to rewrite spending bills without the Frankenstein veto, they will be far more constrained in the extent to which they can manipulate the language, said Sen. Tim Carpenter, D-Milwaukee, lead sponsor of the resolution putting the constitutional amendment on the ballot.

    In a classic Frankenstein veto from the last budget, Doyle sifted through more than 800 words and figures over two pages to create a sentence the Legislature never intended.

    “We have three branches of government,” Carpenter said. “I just don’t believe in having one of the branches having too much strength.”

    Carpenter said banning the Frankenstein veto could make it more likely for lawmakers and the governor to work cooperatively on the budget rather than approach the state’s biennial spending document through the prism of partisan politics.

    But Fred Wade, a Madison lawyer who has waged a sometimes lonely campaign against the amendment because he says it doesn’t go far enough, said the Legislature instead should focus on more aggressively rolling back the governor’s partial-veto powers.

    “We’ve never had a debate here as to whether the governors ought to have this power,” Wade said. “We just sort of backed into it and no one’s effectively challenged it.”

    Carpenter said he plans to introduce additional legislation in the future that would further limit the governor’s veto power.

    “The best way to eat an elephant is bit by bit,” Carpenter said.

    Mark Pitsch is a reporter for the Wisconsin State Journal in Madison.
    .
  •  Advertisement 
     Tell us what you think...

     Comments »

    kamikazefaase wrote on Jan 22, 2008 3:14 AM:

    " jeremy, the reason to bash republicans is because 1) they cut taxes for any reason at the expense of fixing things; 2) they continue to help corporate America where the money is rather than help average Americans where the money is needed; 3) they "borrow and spend" without reflecting on the future generations who have to pay for this. This is just a start of why I don't support most of their causes because I believe they have lost their way and need a new direction. Less government that fails to fix things shows neglect to all Americans. I also refer to those who have profitted the most during any GOP leadership recently and its not us. Their "borrow and spend" ways shows who they stand with: its the bankers and not our kids. I hope this gives a better insight of the differences I have with the GOP. "

    Teiresias wrote on Jan 18, 2008 11:28 AM:

    " Jeremy you are full of baloney and need to stop lying about what a dangerous character Huckabee is.
    These words came from your candidate's mouth: "...what we need to do is to amend the Constitution so it's in God's standards rather than try to change God's standards".
    We should all find that kind of promotion of an American theocracy extremely frightening! "

    kamikazefaase wrote on Jan 18, 2008 2:38 AM:

    " Hey Greenlite: It's not Democrats dividing this country...it's the untrustworthy Republicans led by Bush that are. When you think you are above the law and no one stands up to you by impeaching you from office, then you have a country divided. With a year to go before the biggest liar the Republicans have ever supported for President goes into the sunset, the most corrupt party has so much clean up work to do that its makes Hurricane Katrina look like child's play. The history of its party's corruption should be mandatory reading for every Republican member. It seems whoever becomes the GOP nominee should be extremely scruntized because the party trying to expound on Christian values needs cleansing. "

    Greenlite wrote on Jan 17, 2008 8:49 AM:

    " Jeremy: I agree with you on the divisive issue. We don't need a party that divides. The media does enough of that so that they have something to write about. The Dems have built a lot of their campaigns on dividing people and their economic, and racial status. "

    Ken wrote on Jan 16, 2008 2:35 PM:

    " How can this type of budget process ever be allowed to occur? How could this process ever be construed or even accepted as legal? In how many other instances is this practiced in law? Why on earth would any civilized society accept this type of government? Why would anyone (governor) think that this budget process is morally acceptable? What a crock. "

    antieverything wrote on Jan 16, 2008 10:57 AM:

    " Rye Guy, you are correct about the Tommy comment to some extent, But how will you vote on this referendum.
    regardless of party affiliation this practice has to be abolished. Look at how the assembly voted. "

    jeremy wrote on Jan 16, 2008 10:56 AM:

    " Teiresias - could you be any more misinformed? Watch the candidates speak, don't just take talking points from your biased liberal buddies. He has clearly stated in many national media interviews, that while faith is important to him, he will not let it be the only factor in his presidential decisions. If he was truely a bible thumper, why would he pardon death row inmates? If he takes the bible literally, then he would have executed every single one of them?
    "

    jeremy wrote on Jan 16, 2008 10:52 AM:

    " I am neither republican nor democrat, but to see people like Vicky and Dean on this site constantly trashing the republican side, it actually pushes me to vote republican. You guys don't contribute anything to the discussion/debate. All you do is spew your biased, partisan political talking points, that are intended to divide this country more than it already is. This is a good bill regardless of who is in power, and it should not be repealed regardless of which party is in power. Our governor should not be allowed to dictate this state by changing words in bills to create unintended laws. "

    Teiresias wrote on Jan 16, 2008 10:03 AM:

    " Why bother with a veto at all? Seriously, if the people, represented by their legislators, support something and yet the governor can lop numbers off an appropriation, what is the point of having representatives?

    The legislature is already doing away with our democracy by trying to limit what issues local municipalities can vote on. Why not just burn the constitution and institute a theocracy? Mike Huckabee is already making plans to write christian theology into the consititution. Lets just end the "American experiment" and bring on the end times already. "

    Vicky wrote on Jan 16, 2008 9:42 AM:

    " Wait and see. If there is an outside chance that a Repub becomes our next governor, you can bet your compassionate conservative booty that Mikey Huebsch and the Assembly will try to restore the same veto power that Tommy had. I laugh my head off every time I read about the Repubs yelling and screaming at Doyle for exercising the power that was given to him by the Repubs during TT's reign. "

    ryeguy wrote on Jan 16, 2008 6:37 AM:

    " Tommy T made his living with this veto, and the Democrats went nuts while the Republicans laughed. Now the shoe is on the other foot, but WAIT! the Democrats actually still want to get rid of this monster. Good for them! It is an embarrassment even in its pared down format. I would vote to get rid of it - a line item veto is a good thing, but allowing the governor to rewrite legislation by vetoing selected words is ridiculous. "


    PLEASE NOTE: Comments on stories that frequently update through the day disappear with each update.
    The comments above are from readers. In no way do they represent the views of the La Crosse Tribune.

    Click here to report offensive or inappropriate comments. Please identify the comment you're concerned about, the story to which the comment was attached, the date of the comment and the person who made the post.

     Post a comment (150 word limit) »

    Log In - If you have already signed up with The LaCrosse Tribune, please sign in now!
    Member ID:
    *Password:
      Forgot Your Password?
     
    Sign Up - To encourage intelligent and meaningful conversation, The LaCrosse Tribune requires all commenters to register before posting comments. It's quick, it's easy, and it's free! Just fill in the information below to get started!

    **Your Member ID and password will be required to log in. Your comments will appear under your user name.

    Do not use usernames or passwords from your financial accounts!

    Note: Fields marked with an asterisk (*) are required!

    Create a Member ID:
    *Choose a password:
    *Re-enter password:
    E-mail Address:
    Year of Birth:
     

    (children under 13 cannot register)

    First Name:
    Last Name:
    Company:
    Home Phone:
    Business Phone:
    Address:
    City:
    State:
    Zip Code:
     

    NEWSPAPER ADS

    LACROSSE JOBS

    TOP HOMES

     
     
    Dailies
    La Crosse Tribune
    Winona Daily News

    Weeklies
    Coulee News
    The Chronicle
    Holmen Courier
    Houston County News
    Onalaska Life
    Tomah Journal
    Vernon Broadcaster
    Westby Times

    Regional
    Inside Preps
    My LIVE! Entertainment
    Best of River Valley
    Business Report
    Healthy Living Today
    Strictly Golf
    River Valley Bike Trails
    River Valley Blogs
    River Valley Outdoors

    Shoppers
    Tri-County Foxxy

    Marketplace
    Newspaper Ads
    Local Website Directory
    7 Rivers Rentals
    HomeSeller
    Wheels Website
    Outdoor Motors
    Work For You

    Portals
    La Crosse NET
    Winona NET

    Classifieds
    River Valley Classifieds

    Links
    Lee Enterprises

    About Us | Classifieds | Contact Us | Terms of Use | F.A.Q. | Privacy Policy | Requests | Search | RSS | Videos | Advertiser Directory | Add to My Yahoo!
    Copyright © 1997 - 2008 The La Crosse Tribune. All rights reserved.
    Material from this site may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or distributed. A Lee Enterprises subsidiary.