down2512 wrote on Jan 31, 2008 12:15 PM:
" I don't find a product that touts safety and practical findings when the tests are conducted within the manufacturing business. come on I could make you believe black was white it I stood to make $$$! as far as using it when necessary that's a judgement call I'm not willing to surrender to some of the law enforcement in our area. (though I believe the local police seem very aware selective and discretionary according to the numbers given in this article) "
HonestAbe wrote on Jan 27, 2008 2:01 PM:
" 1. Not yet
2. Yes it is
3. Who cares? "
enuffalready wrote on Jan 27, 2008 12:16 PM:
" Honest Abe:
1. Taser has NEVER lost a wrongful death lawsuit.
2.The product is not inhumane. Saves lives with minimal need for police/law enforcement officers putting themselves in harms way.
3. If they don't continue to use it how will my investment in the company continue to go up if the stock price languishes?
"
Chronic Complainer wrote on Jan 26, 2008 10:42 PM:
" Has anyone ever seen a county cop that is not grossly overweight with shirt buttons popping and belts sagging under their bellies? If you need to taze them, then go ahead and shoot them. They'll die either way. "
ollie wrote on Jan 26, 2008 9:51 PM:
" I'm still here they're all gone. Fate and kharma was on my side. "
ollie wrote on Jan 26, 2008 9:49 PM:
" If cops had to have masters degrees, I'd be ok with doubling their pay, because we are now besieged with to many crew-cut, steroid looking, hyped up simpletons that couldn't figure their way out of a paper bag, yet they let their buddies and their kids get away with crimes.
I respect those that are helpful and doing the job for the right reasons. Every profession has bad apples, I know, but cops cover for each other way too much. I know of two that only got "transferred" to other police departments to get them out of town. Sounds too much like politicians. "
ollie wrote on Jan 26, 2008 9:49 PM:
" Speaking of overreacting, I never said "overpaid", show me that quote would ya please?
I do remember two cops that lied through their teeth to try and get me in trouble for something I didn't do, I got the last laugh, or so I thought, they hounded me forever and never could find one reason to attack me and vindicate themselves. Revenge is the worst thing to face from a bad cop bent on "Hanging" you.
"
Vicky wrote on Jan 26, 2008 8:21 PM:
" Ollie - don't make idiot comments about the police who are NOT overpaid and do their very best to protect the public from a sleazy side of society which you probably have never had contact with, thanks to the city and county law enforcement agents. "
jailumall wrote on Jan 26, 2008 7:48 PM:
" Hey Ollie! If being a Police Officer is such a cushy job with inflated benefits does that mean you will be at the front of the line the next time they are accepting applications? Perhaps the fact that the job requires a minimum of a two year degree (most have 4 yr degrees)dissuades you. Or could it be working crappy hours and dealing with the worst of the worst day in and day out does not sound like your idea of a real job. Until you are ready to suit up stop your complaining. "
HonestAbe wrote on Jan 26, 2008 7:08 PM:
" Very first incident on the show 'cops' tonight ... high speed chase, adrenaline runs high. Target got hit by the squad and disabled, guy gets out and lays on the ground, giving up. The cop said hands behind your back, he was not resisting, maybe just didn't hear him. No sooner did the cop say hands behind your back, taser taser taser, then zap. Happened so quick the guy didn't have the chance to comply!! Sure made the cop feel better though. InHuMaNe "
HonestAbe wrote on Jan 26, 2008 5:47 PM:
" Duh people, if you don't want to get tased, comply.... I'm not worried about me getting it, I clearly had an opinion that it is inhumane, because it is. Why did we do away with the electric chair? hmm "
HonestAbe wrote on Jan 26, 2008 5:45 PM:
" Darw, if I remember right, the cop decided not to tase because the guy had a thick jacket on and it was a split second decision. The guy was coming at them with a weapon, and he didn't want to chance things. He deserved to get shot! Being aggressive with weapon in hand, hell, I'd shoot too... that isn't even a tase situation. It's overused though, look at the latest one on the news, guy walking back to his vehicle, not being violent, just not complying ... zap and he folds on the hard pavement. Cops just don't want to get their hands dirty is how I see it. "
Darwinism wrote on Jan 26, 2008 4:38 PM:
" HonestABE: Used more than guns, great, this is a "less than lethal" response. When a LAX cop gets stabbed with a screwdriver by Joseph Smith they used their guns based on the threat level (by the way he lived and was sentenced just fine). At that time not all officers had tasers. Today he may have been disarmed by a taser rather than a bullet. If you want humane approach, the taser may save lives. "
Darwinism wrote on Jan 26, 2008 4:29 PM:
" Ollie: Heard lots of jokes about you. Yeah, I think it's a thankless job. You have to deal with all of the people and situations no one else is prepared to deal with. No matter what the circumstance you have to respond. Heck, my mailman won't deliver my mail if the walk isn't shoveled, the weeds are too high or it's Columbus Day. If this device will keep ONE of them safe from the belligerent criminal AWESOME. Light em up I say. "
Frank Zissou wrote on Jan 26, 2008 4:28 PM:
" I think you guys should take a course in circuits or physics and you'd find out how electricity works. As for piercing the tin foil with probes thats exactly what you would want to happen. The entire probe conducts not just the inner tips, by piercing the foil you'd have good contacts with the metal. For all you nay sayers, how do birds sit on power lines, tell me the real physical truth on that, and then you can talk. "
Enjoylife wrote on Jan 26, 2008 4:07 PM:
" like the probes aren't gonna go though aluminum foil???? LOL- frank, yer killing me!!! Wrap yourself in three inch thick aluminum foil so you cant get tasered. LOL. Some people on here crack me up. OH MY LORD, I HAVE TO GO NOW BEFORE I PEE MY PANTS FROM LAUGHING SO HARD!!!!! LOL "
mindless nomind wrote on Jan 26, 2008 4:06 PM:
" Frank, while you are at it with the aluminum foil, work on a patent for tin foil hoods/hats for your head, and others dumb enough to wear such a 'comfortable' device. If anyone would wear it, I wonder how good it is at stopping bullets as Honestabe said earlier. You Frank must be a violent criminal to even think of that, so thats says alot about your post. So get to work on that tin foil hat, the cops might try to use radio waves next. "
Enjoylife wrote on Jan 26, 2008 4:01 PM:
" Re: Frank Zissou- Wrap yourself in Aluminum Foil!!!!!!!!!! Hahaha- thats honestly the DUMBEST thing I've ever heard in my life. Ask a cop sometime what they use for taser training; its a piece of cardoard wrapped in foil. It shows them the pattern of arc as the taser is going off. Nothing like making the arc spread all over ones body. Oh, I get it- your a cop. You're just trying to have fun with someone- I get it!! (wink, wink) "
ollie wrote on Jan 26, 2008 3:52 PM:
" Thankless jobs? A good paying job, Great bennies, not actually having to walk a beat, and a humoungus power trip to boot. Wow
I can still count on one hand the officers I have met that are truely "worthy"....24/seven, that is. Hey blind supporters, this aint Mayberry any more. "
Darwinism wrote on Jan 26, 2008 1:55 PM:
" I'm totally amazed at the restraint of use. 28 times in a whole year through the whole county. That's great. Sounds like an awesome tool, better than pepper spray. I commend both departments. THANKS FOR ALL THE 'THANKLESS' JOBS YOU DO. "
3189 wrote on Jan 26, 2008 1:33 PM:
" Don't fight with the police and you won't get the zap. Problem solved. "
r&r wrote on Jan 26, 2008 12:30 PM:
" the idiots who are against tasers have no idea about their safety. they are safe and it's been proven. i'd rather a million non-compliant punks, gangbangers or criminals get tasered 500 times than for a cop to get hurt once. i knew that when i read this in the paper there'd be comments from the bleeding heart know-it-alls out there. to the cops: i say good job and ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZTTTTT. let'em have it and keep up the good work "
Frank Zissou wrote on Jan 26, 2008 12:28 PM:
" If you are afraid of being tazered and know you are going to be commiting a crime, insulate yourself with a simple Aluminum Foil lined shirt and pants. These effective devices can be rendered useless with a two dollar roll of foil. The foil shorts out the electric circuit. The average body has over 20 Mega-ohms of resistance, while the aluminum foil has a mere 17 kilo-ohms. This results in a short circuit and you getting away. I thought of this after the "Don't Taze me Bro" incident. Currently an Arizona man is trying to patent the foil suit/insulated vest. "
Teiresias wrote on Jan 26, 2008 11:41 AM:
" The police are fed propaganda from the manufacturer about the "safety" of these devices and then have to use them in real-life situations.
The media continue to spread the propaganada of how "safe" the devices are, even though we see every week in the paper that someone else is dead after being zapped.
Strange, isn't it, that police in the UK don't even carry guns while American police continue to kill people with supposedly "non-lethal" devices? "
ps2240 wrote on Jan 26, 2008 11:19 AM:
" to enjoylife...they should change the law that says the police have to take someone to jail on a domestic dispute call to someone has to get tasered! "
Enjoylife wrote on Jan 26, 2008 10:56 AM:
" PS- for those of you that dont get my point, ask yourself how many times you've had to call the police in your life? for me its been none, for others maybe once or twice. Some of these IDIOTS call the police two or three times a week. "Don't Tase me bro!!!" "
Enjoylife wrote on Jan 26, 2008 10:51 AM:
" The city Cops took 60,000 calls for service last year, and they only had to taser 23 people?? I'd say thats pretty good, and I'm sure those 23 people are the city worst of the worst. Nice job LCPD; way to show some restraint! I say, if you have to call the police more than three times in 1 year, they get to Tase you each time you call. I bet those 60,000 calls would turn into 10,000 calls, and my taxes would go down. "
ps2240 wrote on Jan 26, 2008 10:11 AM:
" Taser really seems like one of the safest methods there is for controlling a suspect. Several cops wrestling a guy to the ground isn't exactly safe for the suspect or the cops. The same with a foot chase or a car chase. If the taser comes out, it is the suspects choice to take the risk with the device or submit. If he has a heart condition he must realize that could be a fatal choice, just like choosing to jump in the river to evade police when you don't swim! "
MizMo wrote on Jan 26, 2008 9:11 AM:
" here is a clue, listen to the coppers, duh. if you think you're right go to court and present plight it to a judge.
"
xf wrote on Jan 26, 2008 9:06 AM:
" Common sense would tell you that if you don't want to be tased, don't fight the police!!! Duh! Why should a cop risk bodily injury because some drunk, doper, criminal or insane person wants to fight instead of comply. The bleeding hearts are why we have so many people on the street that have to be tased in the first place. "
ollie wrote on Jan 26, 2008 1:38 AM:
" I'm glad cops say it's safe: Hell, Drug companies say all their drugs are safe, Toy companies say all their toys are safe, Meat packers say their meat is safe, Politicians all say they're honest too.
This is propaganda, regurgitated at best. "
HonestAbe wrote on Jan 25, 2008 11:54 PM:
" How much testing has been done with this on people with heart problems? Wait until you put someone in the hospital with one, then get sued, then you'll go back to physical force and pepper spray. "
HonestAbe wrote on Jan 25, 2008 11:51 PM:
" I know the cops have to be hit with it once before they can carry it, I've watched the videos of this being done. Most cops getting tased for compliance, are in a padded room, and have 2 people holding them, THEN get tased and are leveled on the floor slowly by their helpers. That isn't even close to what is going on in the field, people face plant into the pavement, and that is hard on the nose and teeth. This is inhumane! Listen to the U.N. ! shesh (this company must have some really good salesmen, that almost compare to the cranberry salesman) "
HonestAbe wrote on Jan 25, 2008 11:49 PM:
" """""“Taser is the most highly researched weapon system we use,” said Buckmaster""""" That's just it, it's a weapon, and if a weapon needs to be used, use your gun. So, as far as weapons go, they are used more than guns. Why do cops no longer carry pepper spray? Did the cops not like using it because they got it sometimes too ...so, the use of tasers is just cleaner and easier? Even though people may die, at least you're not getting your hands dirty. It's just easier for a cop to tase someone, than actually have to physically restrain them ... is how I see it being used. Now instead of a cop tackling someone or using bodily muscle, they just pull this little device. "
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