cocacolagirl wrote on Feb 4, 2008 5:50 PM:
" I think you Vindicator is right...there are alot of hard-working parents out there and no matter what they get for wages, can't even afford healthcare but slackers and druggies can get help...It's unfair!
These days 2 incomes are barely enough to run a household anymore.
"
Vindicator wrote on Feb 4, 2008 1:55 PM:
" re: Teiresias
So what your saying is, a person who chooses to be a
slacker, keeps having kids and does drugs, they should be eligible for benefits with no questions asked?
Now who's choices are impacting who?
"
cocacolagirl wrote on Feb 3, 2008 9:31 AM:
" Amen to Momothree!
You hit it right on the spot "
momothree wrote on Feb 3, 2008 12:49 AM:
" Let's see some real progress. How about a program to cover all uninsured, hard working legal americans reguardless of familial state! Perhaps if we all had good coverage the hospitals could quit raising their profits...I ment rates...I think. Better preventative care might just cut down on the high dollar procedures/treatments?? Just a thought. Sadly worth a laugh. Richest country+ No national health plan= no sense "
Tax Justice wrote on Feb 2, 2008 11:18 AM:
" It is easy to bash the poor, 80% of which who are on welfare are below 18 years of age. How about this? Washington - Despite growing recognition in the Pentagon and the intelligence community that global warming poses serious national security threats to the United States, Washington is spending 88 dollars on the military for every dollar it spends this year on climate-related programmes, according to a new study released here Thursday by the Institute for Policy Studies (IPS).
The study, entitled "Military vs. Climate Security", found that the government has budgeted 647.5 billion dollars for the defence budget in 2008 - more than the defence budgets of the rest of the world's nations combined - "
Teiresias wrote on Feb 2, 2008 11:16 AM:
" To ScottK: You don't have to be drug free to have a jog, you only have to be drug free to have your current job. Therefore your drug-free state is a choice. If you want to do drugs then take a job elsewhere. Don't force your choices on others. "
HonestAbe wrote on Feb 2, 2008 4:18 AM:
" anon said; "the program is aiming toward including single, low-income adults (both female AND male)" you are correct, so long as there are children in the household.
For you that are concerned about the poor having too many kids, what do you think the military is made up of? Rich kids get college funds from their parents, poor kids get college by putting their life on the line for college funds through the military. Very few rich / upper middle class in the military. Free country includes the freedom to pop as many kids as you want. "
cocacolagirl wrote on Feb 1, 2008 10:36 PM:
" I'm afraid that with this insurance, it's gonna be a big benefit for more women to get pregnant. There goes the population!
To be able to get this type of benefits they need to get off their couches and get job applications and go to work...It's sad when you can work a 40+ hours in a week and still can't get insurance at all jobs but freeloaders that dont wanna work get this for practically free.
I think this might bring up the teen pregnany rates. "
anon wrote on Feb 1, 2008 7:18 PM:
" Forgot to add this other tidbit about who's covering the cost..."The federal government will pay more than 60% of the cost" Goooooooo deficit! "
anon wrote on Feb 1, 2008 7:10 PM:
" For those wondering.. "The state estimates that the expanded coverage will cost $50 million over the next 1½ years", taken from Milwaukee JS. Also, the program is aiming toward including single, low-income adults (both female AND male). Fact of the matter, a random sampling of state aid (such as BadgerCare) will produce both societal "leeches" AND people who are temporarily hard and out, but actively seeking to change their status. For some people, it is excrutiating to have to ask for help they thought they could have supplied on their own accord, and unfortunately others just wait for their hand-outs and crack open another Bud. "
WDJS wrote on Feb 1, 2008 6:55 PM:
" Jennifer, how is this being paid for and by whom? "
BrianGSmith wrote on Feb 1, 2008 5:26 PM:
" The cost of the entire program is a drop in the ocean compared to the cost the Iraqi war has been to Wisconsin taxpayers. Many Defense Contractor CEO's made more than this BadgerCare program is gonna cost. CEO's from miserably failing and patheticly run company's will make more than BadgerCare. It's simply the right thing to do covering the young with healthcare. I am also for education, prevention, counseling, etc....support for those struggling. "
BrianGSmith wrote on Feb 1, 2008 5:16 PM:
" Hey Krusty...How about we apply your 5 point requiremnt plan for receiving Badger Care to all recipients of government contracts, all government employees and politicians. Really... how about the receivers of fat, no bid, cost-plus, government contracts? "
BrianGSmith wrote on Feb 1, 2008 5:11 PM:
" Republican Governing Is Don't Get Caught. "
BrianGSmith wrote on Feb 1, 2008 5:07 PM:
" Dear het1996...Military kids would qualify for this with soldiers pay. We have working poor in this land het1996....don't know where you've been. We've got folks putting 50-60-70-80 hours of work a week and still struggling. Not everyone has an MBA, like Bush (sic), and there certainly aren't enough high paying jobs so that anyone with a degree can earn top dollars. I do agree with some of the comments by those wanting to ensure we aren't supporting slackers, druggies and criminals....and i'd wish we could apply that to the current White House and all of the House and Senate. Healthy kids, smarter kids, healthier population and workforce.....iss all good. "
packer_attacker wrote on Feb 1, 2008 4:29 PM:
" Maybe Deanna can get one. "
packer_attacker wrote on Feb 1, 2008 4:26 PM:
" Me likey boobies "
HonestAbe wrote on Feb 1, 2008 4:14 PM:
" Not all people that don't have a great job, do it by choice people. You play the cards dealt, and if you were dealt 4 aces, you should feel fortunate.
This is a feel good program, shilling and doyle can pat themselves on the back, big deal. Calling a duck by a different name, its still a duck.
Where's our 'Well Man' program shilling? How about taking sexism out of these programs, now that would be something. "
wisconsingal wrote on Feb 1, 2008 4:09 PM:
" Packer_Attacker, your maturity level is shining through AGAIN today!! Way to go....you figured out how to make boobies on your computer! Your mother must be so proud!!! "
Peachee wrote on Feb 1, 2008 4:02 PM:
" wouldnt suprise me any... "
packer_attacker wrote on Feb 1, 2008 3:51 PM:
" biggins ( . ) ( . ) "
packer_attacker wrote on Feb 1, 2008 3:50 PM:
" I like titties!!!! "
CounterPoint wrote on Feb 1, 2008 3:44 PM:
" I keep asking, Dean, but you keep ignoring my request. Give us some ideas on how you would improve things instead of your usual republican bashing. "
Peachee wrote on Feb 1, 2008 3:31 PM:
" This state needs to quit making welfare benefits so easy to get. I know of many younger mothers that dont even work at all. They get free rent, free food, free medical and yet always have enough money to buy new clothes and go out and party. I am tired of busting my hump to support the ones in this state that dont want to work! I have to pay out $6000 per year just for health insurance...that doesnt include the deductible that I end up paying when there is a visit. Why should they stop using the system when the state just keeps making it easier for them??? "
wisconsingal wrote on Feb 1, 2008 2:59 PM:
" Ollie: I work hard fulltime and pay my bills, I do NOT have a flashy car or a big expensive house but I'm still sick of busting my hump to pay for those who don't put forth an effort. At least people who DO work at Walmart are WORKING, I'm talking about those people who pump out a baby every year or so and then sit back and wait for the rest of us to spend our hard earned $$ to take care of their "problems" because they can't afford it. People need to take responsibilty for their own actions. If some live high off the hog, then let em whine. It's their own fault. "
ollie wrote on Feb 1, 2008 2:50 PM:
" Whiners, if you make more than $51,500 and cant pay your bills there is no hope for you. You are ignorant AND spoiled, and too stupid to make that kind of money. You should be happy to make more than most Americans. More than 90% of LaCrosse in the near future as we encourage more and more minimum wage crappy jobs here (aka banquet halls and restaurants). You should be ashamed. But you need to have every toy and show off the house and cars you can't really afford. Sad.
My brother and his wife pull down $160,000 and they whine and complain....give me a break. "
ollie wrote on Feb 1, 2008 2:42 PM:
" The biggest problem here is misplaced anger. Wal-Mart makes billions and can't afford to pay a living wage. Their people can't afford to live decent let alone pay for health care. Thus they qualify for tax-subsidized care while the bigshots rake in millions to their private accounts. If you shop at Wal-Mart, you are saying this is ok, and you want more of it. Lower those wages, charge more for benefits, screw the working class. I got mine, you are stupid, so I took yours too. "
Dean wrote on Feb 1, 2008 2:16 PM:
" Republican Health Plan IS Don't Get Sick "
jeremy wrote on Feb 1, 2008 1:26 PM:
" pat ann -
Sign up for Badger Care. "
pat ann wrote on Feb 1, 2008 1:21 PM:
" I resent this waste of my money. I don't make the kind of money they are quoting in the article. What about the rest of us who have to pay for our own insurance and then have high deductibles? "
Darwin wrote on Feb 1, 2008 1:20 PM:
" So many people talk about religion, but when it comes down to it they are nasty about the poor... exactly the folks Jesus was the MOST compassionate about. I'm not even religious and had that figured out at a very young age. It wasn't the church who taught me that, either; it was loving, compassionate, agnostic parents who knew that sharing is important, and that frequently some who have the most have no idea what it's like to go hungry and think it's a child's fault she was born into a terrible situation. And if you think healthcare is not rationed in this country... are you NUTS? Critical care is not rationed in countries with universal healthcare - but elective surgery certainly is. And doesn't that make sense? Heart surgery before tummy tucks? DUH! And I am waiting a month to see my oncologist already. "
Michael Welch wrote on Feb 1, 2008 1:04 PM:
" Even the poor, even the pilloried 'losers,' addicts, alcoholics etc. ought to be treated compassionately as human beings worthy at least to be indeed 'treated' for whatever illness -- physical or mental -- they may have. (Didn't Jesus say What you do unto the LEAST of these you do unto me?) 'Compassionate' conservatism simply 'isn't' -- it's always dismissive and nasty whenever some folks can't 'make it on their own.' But when the national economy takes a pop that may hurt Wall Street the Repubs hop to it -- MORE tax cuts for the richest! Beat up the weakest; 'protect' the wealthiest -- and some folks say Charles Darwin was 'wrong'?... "
GetRealLaX wrote on Feb 1, 2008 12:58 PM:
" Empathy: the action of understanding, being aware of, being sensitve to, and vicariously experiencing the feelings, thoughts, and experience of another. This is one thing that many people are lacking, including here. To paint this issue black and white (only unemployed losers) is unfair to the people who actually need this assistance due to some misfortune or the environment they were brought up in, as opposed to the very small portion who would take advantage of the system. Profit-driven systems leave those in need wanting, as overhead cuts take precedent to real solutions that make health care more accessible.
Perhaps if people on the right side weren't so opposed to sexual education in schools and promoted safer sex practices, we could stem the inflation of single-motherhood.
You chose a job with a drug-test. This has nothing to do with the rest of us. "
Half Full wrote on Feb 1, 2008 12:54 PM:
" That is brilliant Krusty. The problem is the state would have to hire 1000 more employees to run all the restrictions that you proposed. I think we need to have Bob Barker come out with a have a "loser" spade or neutered program and stop people who can't afford kids to stop having them. The minute a man is 6 month in arrears on child support they cut off Mr. Happy. If a woman on welfare has another child while on welfare they take all of her kids away and financial support away. This cycle of generation after generation being supported by the tax payer has to stop. "
Krusty wrote on Feb 1, 2008 12:36 PM:
" How about if people who receive these kind of benefits, 1. Have to be on birth control. 2. Be randomly screened for drugs and alchohol. 3. Have to show proof that they are looking for employment 4. If they are employed and can't afford healthcare they should show proof they are looking for a better job. 5. Be in a trade school with passing grades, or...6. Be totally handicapped to the point where they are completley unemployable. "
wisconsingal wrote on Feb 1, 2008 12:18 PM:
" You hit it right on the head ACE....the trend just keeps going and going and going. These people need to get off of their butts, stop having babies every 9 months and take care of their responsibilities....I'm TIRED of doing it for them!!!! "
Michael Welch wrote on Feb 1, 2008 12:05 PM:
" AW 'Krusty' -- you're forever the 'mean guy' huh?... "
Krusty wrote on Feb 1, 2008 12:00 PM:
" "michael" she might be a "babe" if you are really desperate or drunk, are you one or both? The biggest turn-off would be having to listen to her talk. "
ACE wrote on Feb 1, 2008 11:54 AM:
" and not to mention children being brought up this way will do the same and the trend keeps going....FREE FREE FREE! I can't afford a nice camper but the "badgercare neighbor" can and that eerks me to no end. "
packer backer wrote on Feb 1, 2008 11:51 AM:
" I can not believe a woman making $51,500 can get insurance if she went out and did the mattress mombo and got knocked up. That is like a $25 an hour job. As a man I can not get BadgerCare, and on top of that I sure don't make $25 an hour. Is this not discrimination? "
audifan08 wrote on Feb 1, 2008 11:17 AM:
" With the Democrats now in charge we are seeing the beginning of an age of darkness the likes of which Wisconsin will have never seen before. Although Wisconsin will survive for a while the state will likely rot into chaos sooner than later. Wisconsin will probably become like a festering fruit abandoned in the muck and rain, once plentiful, ripe, and full of life, now unpalatable...shame on you for vcting in people like Jennifer Shilling. "
Michael Welch wrote on Feb 1, 2008 11:14 AM:
" Oops! 'Shilling' -- English, not German... "
Michael Welch wrote on Feb 1, 2008 11:13 AM:
" Jennifer Schilling's sort of a 'babe' ain't she?... "
Half Full wrote on Feb 1, 2008 11:10 AM:
" It is nice of the taxpayers to pay for insurance for all the employees of the retail businesses in the state. How is an employee of Walmart making eight dollars an hour supposed to pay two hundred dollars a month for insurance and still have a deductable to pay too? So the taxpayers come to the rescue and so the corporate giants can make more money. It is time to make corporations first pay a liveable wage and second offer affordable insurance. Everthing they sell now is made in China so take some of that savings and put it into benefits for employees. Some states have passed laws forcing big corps to do this. "
wisconsingal wrote on Feb 1, 2008 10:47 AM:
" Turbocharged: to add to your great comment, how about also stopping all these mothers from having child after child after child!? It is so common to see women who can't afford anything having babies left and right only to expect tax payers to pay for those children. I'm a mother and I work FULLTIME, I don't expect or demand handouts from anyone else. I had my children and take full responsibility for paying for their needs. Why do people feel that they are entitled to handouts??? Work hard and have some pride!!!! "
Ken wrote on Feb 1, 2008 10:39 AM:
" Great point Scottk. While some people can't even afford insurance their taxes are paying for other peoples children while those same child’s parents are sitting home on there "couch" doing nothing, and my health insurances deductible is three thousand a family a year. Why do my children have suffer before other children? I am not rich and any money that is taken away from my household adversly affects my children. When I was growing up it was the parents job to take care of their families. Why is now my responsibilty to pay for my neighbors child? "
turbocharged wrote on Feb 1, 2008 10:35 AM:
" I agree wholeheartedly with scottk.
As a condition of my employment, I have to pass a drug test. To retain my employment, I have to submit to random drug tests at my employers discretion. Now seeing as I have to do this in order to earn my money...and in turn pay taxes, I think it is only right that the people who are SPOON FED my tax dollars, should have to pass an initial drug test and also submit to random drug testing at THIER expense in order to recieve the aid. Im so sick of seeing doped up ladies sitting on their front stop watching there 6 kids play in the street. And they don't have to work a lick and can live better then some who work 2 jobs.
I think its only fair! "
het1996 wrote on Feb 1, 2008 10:12 AM:
" AND WHY DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE KIDS TO QUALIFY FOR THIS??? WHY IS AL THE AID FOR LOSERS WHO HAVE KIDS AND DONT WORK?? "
jeremy wrote on Feb 1, 2008 10:04 AM:
" Dean is what the far left is all about. They want to tear this country apart further than it already is. No matter what concessions republicans make, the far left will only act further to divide this country even more.
Just watch Countdown with Keith Olbermann every night. He is the prime example of the far left talking points and division tactics. "
CJ wrote on Feb 1, 2008 9:37 AM:
" I'd like to see the full requirements to qualify as I know of a successful business owner with a new building recently constructed who is on Badger Care. Yet while some work a $13-17 hour job they can spend $300 easily on insurance without the Badger handout. Can anyone here explain how someone who has a business gets a handout??? "
red wrote on Feb 1, 2008 9:36 AM:
" I agree with counterpoint. Countries that have universal health care ration it. Until americans are ready to make some tough decisions, health care will grow increasingly unaffordable... When I had my first child (about 20 years ago) there was very little prenatel tests. My last child, 14 years ago, I was REQUIRED to have ultrasound and a myiad of other tests whether I wanted them or not... expensive!!! "
dean wrote on Feb 1, 2008 9:35 AM:
" The only time Repubs tried to improve Health Care is wearing Band-aids with purple hearts painted on them at the GOP convention 04, But opposed medicare and Walter Reed Scandals they need to stand for something "
wisconsingal wrote on Feb 1, 2008 9:29 AM:
" Great point about Dean, Counterpoint! I've been wondering what Dean will find to piss and moan about once George W. is out of office...some people just aren't happy unless they are bashing others and offering no resolutions. Sad. "
CounterPoint wrote on Feb 1, 2008 9:17 AM:
" One other observation...I have been a quiet observer of these posts for a long time, but have rarely taken part. Dean, however, I notice you pipe up on just about every one and bash the republicans on every topic that comes up regardless on whether or not it has anything to do with subject. It would be a really nice change if you ever offered any sort of sollution or idea to anything you bash, though. Any ideas other than wave the magic democrat wand and everything gets better? "
CounterPoint wrote on Feb 1, 2008 9:12 AM:
" What none of these programs ever address is the actual cost of the care, which continues to sky rocket. Everyone complains about health insurance affordability, etc, but what about the root cause of those costs? These types of programs might be helpful to some, but still nothing is controlling the actual cost of care, which means ANY health program, this or complete universal health care, will only become more and more expenseive, which leads to higher and higher costs (taxes). Fix the COSTS associated. "
PACKER_ATTACKER wrote on Feb 1, 2008 8:58 AM:
" Maybe Packer fans can get their women's teeth fixed now. "
Phil wrote on Feb 1, 2008 8:51 AM:
" Schilling does not care how much tax payer money she spends as long as she thinks she is saving the world!!! "
scottk wrote on Feb 1, 2008 8:43 AM:
" Since I have to be drug free in my job and therefore drug free to pay my taxes, I hope that the people who apply to this taxpayer funded, and any other, program are also going to be required to be drug free. "
Krusty wrote on Feb 1, 2008 8:31 AM:
" I would support this program 100% if the recipients over 14 were required to be on birth control. No reason you should be having more kids if you can't afford the ones you have. I'm sick of supporting other people's "mistakes" "
het1996 wrote on Feb 1, 2008 8:27 AM:
" And yes..our country is in awful shape. The everyday folk that doesnt look into it doesnt see it yet...but our economy is going to collapse without Ron Paul. Its not a matter of if anymore. "
het1996 wrote on Feb 1, 2008 8:25 AM:
" The parents are the freeloaders. I have seen first hand through some people I know how broken and wrong the welfare system is. Hardworking people are paying for the lazy freeloaders. its wrong. Its so wrong. And there are tons of these lazy freeloaders out there. please look at Dr. Ron Paul "
nana3 wrote on Feb 1, 2008 8:16 AM:
" I agree with 6:21 am poster. This country we live in is not supported by the corporate world. They continue to send work to third world countries putting our country deeper and deeper into a depression we may never see the end of. When the day comes that the big shot's jobs get farmed out it will already be too late. We need to support our country and take care of our own people. How can anyone get insurance if they can't find a job? Our country is in big trouble. Our grandchildren will probably have to live in the worst depression in history when they become adults. SO SAD! "
dean wrote on Feb 1, 2008 7:53 AM:
" Would Ron Paul borrow $150 Billion from China so We could Have some Economic Stimulation. I Just love W too much "
Rie wrote on Feb 1, 2008 7:38 AM:
" And since when are children freeloaders? There are a number of employers out there that provide substandard insurance or none at all. This at least offers that option. Also have you ever looked at private health insurance? It also helps families that have chosen to go into business or be farmers that cannot afford to purchase their own ( or have been declined due to preexisting health conditions). "
het1996 wrote on Feb 1, 2008 7:31 AM:
" Folks, this is exactly the type of crap you will see if you all elect a democrat in November. Please take ten minutes of your time and go to www.ronpaul2008.com. He is the only candidtae that is not slimy. He speaks the truth and the man is a thousand times more intelligent than the rest of the candidates. He will cut wasteful spending whichin turn will eliminate many taxes and programs like these will be fair and there will be no freeloaders. "
dean wrote on Feb 1, 2008 7:20 AM:
" I would rather see Tax Cuts to the rich,More Prisons and Iraq war funding "
ACE wrote on Feb 1, 2008 6:52 AM:
" I can only guess how many freeloaders will be coming out of the woodwork like cockroaches in the dark of night. Maybe they should hand out applications along with this insurance. "
Teiresias wrote on Feb 1, 2008 6:31 AM:
" There was a time when, if you were a male, you could get a union job that guaranteed health benefits.
Sadly the unions have been killed off and wages depressed by "free trade" agreements so that health care has become a luxury here in the US.
Isn't it strange how the rest of the world somehow affords insurance to everyone yet the "richest country in the world" somehow can't? "
bb wrote on Feb 1, 2008 6:18 AM:
" If you are a single male this state could care less about you. You don't qualify for any insurance. "
cocacolagirl wrote on Feb 1, 2008 5:24 AM:
" What about the father's?
Do they qualify too?
You always hear about children,
low-income families and pregnant women...
Well, What about the men?
Men always get left out of everything.
Have you ever been to a government office
to seek help when times are tight for a man?
Try it!
There is absolutely no help out there.
It's sad!
I'm a woman and I and others were told
by local agency that if we wanted help
that we had to get a divorce and have a child
then we'd qualify.
What's this world coming to!!!
"
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