Geesh wrote on Mar 31, 2008 8:39 PM:
" The link works. Just don't include the parenthesis! ( " )
http://www.fdlreporter.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080328/FON0101/80328149/1289/FONnews
As far as what happened today?
Here ya go! June 30th seems to be start day....
http://www.vernonbroadcaster.com/articles/2008/03/31/thisjustin/04leadthis.txt "
conscience? wrote on Mar 31, 2008 4:33 PM:
" nemo-it was the same story that zen left the link to. I couldn't get it to work anymore either. Anybody hear what happened in court today? "
nemo wrote on Mar 31, 2008 4:01 PM:
" conscience? - i am unable to get to the link you posted to work...is it possible there is a different one or it's changed? "
zen wrote on Mar 29, 2008 11:48 PM:
" http://www.fdlreporter.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080328/FON0101/80328149/1289/FONnews "
conscience? wrote on Mar 29, 2008 10:46 AM:
" Take a look at this story http://www.lacrossetribune.com/articles/2008/03/29/newsupdate/05death.txt
Hopefully this case will get the same result. They sound very similar. "
Brooke wrote on Mar 25, 2008 3:24 PM:
"
Indifferent: Who the hell is making fun of Mikeal Sr. NOBODY!!!! So get over yourself and move along. We are only concerned with the killer's. David and yes Mikeal!! Mikeal this and Mikeal that is reality. He committed a crime and by that the public is gonna speak!!
"
nemo wrote on Mar 25, 2008 10:21 AM:
" I can almost guarantee that people DIRECTLY related to this case are not blaming the family of these two boys. If MIKEAL (that’s the correct spelling, not that he deserves to have something corrected/done in his benefit) had not pushed/shoved/punched Kelly that night, he would still be alive. I think harmless actions got taken way out of proportion that night. WakeUpWis nailed it right on the head saying that the family of Kelly had no time to prepare for his violent death. A father dieing from cancer is a terrible thing, but a murder that did not have to happen is equally, if not more terrible. Think about how you would feel if you had someone taken from you so unexpectedly…the effects it has on his parents, brothers and sisters, children, grandchildren, cousins, nieces, nephews, and friends. It effects A LOT of people. "
Indifferent wrote on Mar 25, 2008 8:41 AM:
" So just because they had time to prepare is a right to disrestpect mike sr? What you said was way out of line, just because they knew he had cancer does not make it any easier to loose a father, grandfather, uncle, or husband. As for as his son is concerned he never hit Kelly he shoved him and that was that, I have not idea what his nephew was doing no one but david does, but Michael is not responsible for David and neither is his Family. I am sick and tired of everyone blaming the family when they had nothing to do with it! "
WakeUpWis wrote on Mar 24, 2008 10:28 AM:
" The only ones that have been disrespectful to Mike Sr would be his son and nephew, for dragging their name through the mud. I know what this family has had to deal with, but they had some time to prepare for it. Kelly's family didn't have time to prepare for his death. Where is their respect, indifferent. Again who cares what was said in the bar that night, you don't go around beating people up because they said something you didn't like. And, you don't keep beating on someone who isn't fight back. I keep wondering, if Kelly said something out of line to Mike in the bar, why was David outside beating Kelly to death?
"
hearts4strong wrote on Mar 23, 2008 12:26 PM:
" bcuz he had been over there trying to start trouble. so y the hell is kelly the sweet and inacent one in this hole case??? there is always gonna be 2 sides to this case and ppl standing on one side of the fence or the other. just cuz you stand up for kelly b-town i don't feel the need to think that you are such a bad person. but if it makes you feel better to trash talk ppl on the internet by all means fire away "
hearts4strong wrote on Mar 23, 2008 12:21 PM:
" B-town, nice to know that you think so great of your self, now your better then me. COOL! I have been doing some reading, and not 1 of the witness statements says that any1 saw mikey hit kelly....wtf? grabed him and when kelly went to back up took both of them down, but NOT 1 did any of the statements say mikey hit kelly. weird. as for how mikey and dave where out drinking sooo much and how in the world could any1 serve so much. kelly had been kicked out of the bar a cross the street.... "
indifferent wrote on Mar 21, 2008 9:56 AM:
" So Michael's dad deserved to be called a piece of sh*& who deserves to die? Wow thats really cold, Michaels dad had nothing to do with the situation and was not there instead was dieing at the time, and yet you say that kelly's statement to Michael was prob true! Why don't you wake up! A family can not control each others actions Michael's dad does not deserve that kind of disrespect, no one whos died or dieing from cancer does! "
WakeUpWis wrote on Mar 18, 2008 9:20 AM:
" I'm so sick of hearing about the 2 Heinz boys. Does anyone have any idea what effects the murder of Kelly has done to his family. Remember Kelly can never come back. He had a young grandchild and another one on the way. They will never get to know their grandfather. Who cares that Kelly said something they didn't like - it was probably true. These 2 lugs are allows looking for a fight, because they think it makes them look like men. And shame on the rest of you who were in the bar that night for not stopping what was happening, and the bartender for not doing their job and calling the police as soon as things started happening. It was the middle of the week so it wasn't that busy to see what was going on. "
B-town wrote on Mar 17, 2008 11:54 PM:
" The media doesn't always get the facts right & portray what really happens in most situations. They like to leave out details. I know from My town's newspaper is guilty since one week they say something happened & the next week or two they'll talk about the same story but it's different. This happened to my friend's case. They didn't even get either story even right. I even know cops don't get the statements correct & it's sad. I read a police report of what they said I stated in a different case of mine. They left out about half of what I did tell to them & I couldn't believe it. And I'm not going by rumors. Kelly said some things but that is irrelevant since he didn't throw blows to anyone. I know this won't register to you non-believers but I don't care! I'm not that naive! "
conscience? wrote on Mar 17, 2008 8:22 AM:
" Indifferent- Didn't Mommy teach you "sticks and stones may break my bone but names will never hurt me". The Heinz boys should have lived by that statement if you want to speak of acting childish. NOTHING ANYONE SAYS SHOULD EVER RESULT IN VIOLENCE. VIOLENCE IS THE REACTION OF A WEAK MIND. We all now how weak the minds of these two are. Maybe I should watch what I say or I may get beaten to death. "
Indifferent wrote on Mar 17, 2008 8:15 AM:
" It seems to me I am the only one going off education, read the articles read the statements you get educated! It clearly stated by your witnesses the Kelly did say something, its clearly stated by your witnesses that the altercation between Michael and Kelly was nothing more than a shove to the floor.
You need to read more and listen less to rumors the only person who looks ignorant is you. The rest of us are reading the papers and going by what they law has established! "
B-town wrote on Mar 16, 2008 11:32 PM:
" Indifferent- What did you think started the altercation? Ah mike started it by attacking him, Kelly unaware & who's to say he didn't serve the death blow? Nobody will ever know that. That makes him a accomplice to murder & if he never started the fight maybe the big ape would of not of even got involved. Who's the 2 children who got physical? Kelly must of not been that childish to start throwing sucker punches. like if he plotted it after everyone they know left or isn't around. You & heart4strong should retire from these comments since it just shows how ignorant you two are!Get educated in reality! "
B-town wrote on Mar 16, 2008 11:08 PM:
" hearts4strong- Gross in many ways, that's funny! I only said in two ways & that's many to you? Yeah I would sleep better if they were in prison or deceased & I really don't care how they go either. It isn't two wrongs don't make a right, it's eye for an eye! I don't think I'm better than these two. I know I'm better than them. I'm not as stupid or ignorant as these two. Yeah,he just died from that big fall down the flight of stairs that he did all by his self. He wasn't murdered by someones fist while unconscious. We all know that you don't know what's really going on & we know you're a heisz fan. "
Brooke wrote on Mar 16, 2008 7:30 PM:
" JUST WAIT UNTIL THE APPLEFEST BEATING COMES OUT. WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO ABOUT THAT ONE? CRY SOMEMORE ABOUT HOW MUCH OF AN AWESOME GUY HE IS AND JUST BECAUSE HE BEATS ON PEOPLE HE'S STILL HARMLESS. PLEASE GIVE ME A BREAK! WE DON'T WANT ANOTHER KELLY SITURATION. THAT IS WHY WE ARE TRYING TO PREVENT THIS FROM EVER HAPPENING AGAIN. "
Brooke wrote on Mar 16, 2008 7:25 PM:
" Indifferent: Keep defending Mikeal all you want and gunning on a murdered person. Your comments show nothing but how big of a heartless piece you are. Kelly is not here to defend his self. So how do you even know that Mikeal isn't lying about Kelly even saying anything to him. I think it's just a cover up to make him look better. Well not gonna work because me and lots others will always think he's guilty guilty guilty!!!!!!!! "
Indifferent wrote on Mar 14, 2008 1:39 PM:
" Furthermore blame should be laid where it properly belongs, Michael had nothing to do with Kelly getting taken outside that fact has already been proven, but because people are just being bitter because these two happen to be related they think both should be punished. Michael has not control over what David does, just like no one could control Kelly running his mouth, no one deserved to die, EVERYONE INCLUDDING KElly acted childish, no one is completely innocent "
Indifferent wrote on Mar 14, 2008 1:35 PM:
" Brooke: Oh I see because Kelly acted like a child and made a snotty and uncalled for comment and Michael acted like a child and shoved him and then the whole situation between the two was stopped, it was all Michael's fault for acting just like Kelly but non of this is Kelly's fault why? Perhaps if he would have been an adult himself non of the would have happened. You can't blame on for being childish without blaming the other one "
jenisgone wrote on Mar 14, 2008 10:47 AM:
" I just read an article about a guy that forced his daughter to kill the family cat with a knife. He is being held on a $40,000 bond, but David has bail set at $10,000 for killing a person. Makes sense to me. "
zen wrote on Mar 13, 2008 3:12 PM:
" I was just thinking about how a similar Heisz crime committed during Applefest in Crawford County was the beginning of the negligence that lead to Kelly's killing. Had the District Attorney of Crawford County filed appropriate charges for that incident, would we be discussing this at all? "
Brooke wrote on Mar 13, 2008 9:46 AM:
" Ohh and when I said they didn't commit the same crimes that night I mean multiple crimes occured that night that is why they both have different charges. The main issue is though which will always be the main issue is that Kelly was killed and not just killed but burtally murdered and left for dead. I don't care about all of you who say "ohh it was only a bar fight" I'd agree with you if maybe he was punched but no he was beaten over and over again so bad that he had to have a closed casket. "
Brooke wrote on Mar 13, 2008 9:30 AM:
" Indifferent.. Nobody is gunning on someone who didn't commit a crime. Because Mikeal and David both committed a crime that night. It may not be the same crime but they are BOTH guilty for that night in so many different ways. So not a single one of them "boys" are innocent!!!! THEY WERE BOTH INVOLVED ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. GOD I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I HAVE TO TELL YOU PEOPLE!! "
Brooke wrote on Mar 13, 2008 9:01 AM:
" hearts4strong.. FYI... What b-town was trying to say was the very least these boys can get is getting raped for their actions. That's nothing compared to getting your head beat in. And don't worry it looks like only David will be getting it. Yet again Mikeal will be let off scott free but I will sure hope and pray that this doesn't happened again to another family by letting this poor example of a human being walk free. "
Brooke wrote on Mar 13, 2008 8:54 AM:
" IF IT WASN'T FOR MIKEAL PLACING HIS HANDS ON KELLY IN THE FIRST PLACE AND IF HE WOULD HAVE JUST ACTED LIKE A MAN AND WALKED AWAY FROM THE "FOOLISH COMMENT" KELLY MADE THEN MAYBE PEOPLE WOULD THINK DIFFERENT. THEY BOTH LEFT TOGETHER SO IN OTHER WORDS THEY'RE BOTH GUILTY. "
Indifferent wrote on Mar 13, 2008 8:35 AM:
" Explain to me why michael should be "hung or charged with murder" when he only had a brief altercation with Kelly in the bar and was not even outside when the altercation took place outside. Why should someone who did not do it be charged? This came out in the papers and was proven by the "witnesses that where there" So why are you gunning to get an innocent person sent to prison? He didn't commit the crime "
zen wrote on Mar 12, 2008 4:13 PM:
" Actually, Kelly was killed. "
hearts4strong wrote on Mar 12, 2008 2:52 PM:
" b-town, what you say is gross in so many ways. So you think that since Dave and Mikey got into a bar fight and someone ended up dead, not killed mind you. That you can now justify them getting raped and possibly killed should either of them spend any time in prison. If those r your feelings WTF makes you any better then "these hillbilly, redneck, inbred, backwoods, apes"...and whatever else you have called them. 2 wrongs don't make a rite, but I guess you need sweet dreams of men being raped with broom handles to help you sleep at nite and leave you with rest. "
B-town wrote on Mar 11, 2008 11:35 PM:
" America is great isn't it? You can just beat someone to death & be free without sitting in jail on low bond. Too bad these degenerates didn't have a bunch of drugs on them & then maybe they would be sitting in jail right now. This case is a no brain-er. All the evidence is there so hang'em for it! Give mike a accessory to homicide not misdemeanor or probation. He should at least get a felony. Obviously dave the ape is guilty of homicide. So let the mop handling begin! "
honeybee71 wrote on Mar 6, 2008 2:56 PM:
" PTJ I agree 100% with your comments well said. People with character and integrity do not handle situations with violence as these two did. It is too bad that the family has to go through this while dealing with a loss. What happened was wrong we all know that. Hopefully the justice system will work and Mike and Dave will be held responsible for their actions as they should be. They should get the same treatment as anyone else. It will be a horrible injustice to the whole community if they get off because of the family's name and reputation. THERE ARE NO EXCUSES FOR MURDER!!
"
ptj wrote on Mar 5, 2008 8:24 PM:
" Actions speak louder than words David and Mikeal have spoken volumes with this event. Please don't expect the majority of people involved to share your views, not everyone has had the special opportunity to know them like you do. God will be the final judge, but we still have a legal system that we have the ability to utilize until then.
"
ptj wrote on Mar 5, 2008 8:23 PM:
" Having read the actual charge document which includes statements made by the defendants, I can only conclude that they are not the 'best people ever' nor are they people that I would want for a 'friend'. A bully is still a bully. I'm sorry hearts if you don't like reading negative comments about your boyz. They have made their own bed. They have proven over and over that they are unable to behave like men by taking responsibility for their actions. You say they paid their debt to society, only after they were caught. Many of their "accidents" or "mistakes" were never brought to justice. Regarding Applefest, you stated we didn't have the whole story..please enlighten us. But even this makes no difference. "
ptj wrote on Mar 5, 2008 8:22 PM:
" So, can we agree that several members of Heisz family are fine, upstanding citizens? That not everyone with the last name Heisz is to blame or IS being blamed for this atrocity? From what I can tell, Mike Sr. was very well liked and will be missed. Just like ALL familys there are good and bad. It has been that way since the beginning of time. This discussion is about two Heisz family members only, David and Mikeal. Many of the people commenting on these events have PERSONALLY had contact with the defendants, leaving the rest of us to use the information available to us to determine for ourselves how we feel about them and the way they behave. "
hearts4strong wrote on Mar 5, 2008 7:31 PM:
" i might not be the best speller and hey i can't hear that well eather, never grad HS, eather but went on to college and held a 3.6 GPA. so bcuz i am not "smart" as ya'll i don't have the rite to say what i think and feel?? i have never needed to lower myself to calling someone else names nor get down on them for what they feel in this deal. laugh if you must, it will not hurt my feelings any. i am glad that i can be the one to put a smile on your face. "
miracleseeker wrote on Mar 5, 2008 10:42 AM:
" I find it incredibly compelling that the posters denouncing the viciousness and lack of empathy of Davey and Mikey, are cutting and degrading on here to other posters. Purporting to be for respecting others' right to say what they want applies to message boards, not just bar rooms, as respect fell away that night in Readstown just as it has here.Bottom line people, God alone will judge and the best that all of us can do is to take something away from this whole mess and learn from it. I won't say I agree with what happened; far from it. I will, however, say that the Heisz's have always been wonderful people to me and my family and this past month has been very sad. "
conscience? wrote on Mar 5, 2008 9:59 AM:
" Hearts4strong- You write like an uneducated hick. People are laughing at you. "
hearts4strong wrote on Mar 4, 2008 10:51 PM:
" un-like alot of ppl on this blog that like to comment about ppl they don't know, i knew every1 involved. i think what they did was wrong but not done with intent. i will always stand beside dave and mikey and there how family. i love them like they are part of my own. i think it's sad that every1 wants to make a judgement about them bcuz of this. but to each his own. (sorry i can't spell and don't care enough to take the time to look up words) "
hearts4strong wrote on Mar 4, 2008 10:45 PM:
" i don't need to convince myself of any thing. i know whats in there hearts. we have all done bad things in life, so worst then others. i have driven w/o a DL and gotten a dis-order, does that make me a bad person. most would tell you far from. i am not saying that dave and mikey don't deserve to be punshed for what they did that nite, but i feel bad for mikey losing his father who was a great man and dave for losing his uncle. i saw the tears and the hurt in there eyes. they have feelings just like the rest of us. "
conscience? wrote on Mar 4, 2008 6:04 PM:
" Hearts4strong-You can tell Dave how wonderful he is when you go visit him in prison. Remember to tell him not to drop his soap in the shower. "
ptj wrote on Mar 4, 2008 5:05 PM:
" To Hearts4strong. They aren't bad people? Retraining orders, burglaries, assaults, driving w/o licenses, shining deer. No, they are just misunderstood. You have your view of these pilars of society and we have ours. The difference being, we only have the evidence the police have provided. As a matter of fact, most of which was obtained from Mikeal and David. A man is dead. Do you get it, DEAD! "
J2U wrote on Mar 4, 2008 8:29 AM:
" Patience Brooke! Should we take time to examine history we can see there is great precedence for dupes of the most vicious homicidal cretins to award accolades such as "a wonderful family man" "a loving father" "a heart of gold" to these animals. Usually after they were rewarded or threatened. Much like the poster who claimed they lit a great furnace or pulled drunk husbands out of lakes well. Either way they have been brutal, hostile, and belligerent a long time. The lord was undoubtedly watching over Mikey and Dave, and speaking to them too, they weren't and haven't been listening. Now they can receive a small bit of the credit they deserve. P.S. hearts4strong try dictionary.com it wrks xtra guud! "
Brooke wrote on Mar 4, 2008 7:27 AM:
" Hearts4strong- Hearts of gold you say? Thanks for the laugh. No really THANKS!!! Cause if anything they're two cold hearted cowards who could give 2 f**ks what they did. And for that may God seek justice on them here on earth or let them both rot in hell. "
hearts4strong wrote on Mar 3, 2008 9:53 PM:
" may the Lord watch over mikey and dave during this time in there life. my prayers are with the hole heisz family in this time of lost. dave and mikey you both have hearts made of gold just as mike sr did. "
CarolynJ wrote on Feb 28, 2008 1:28 PM:
" I got the call the morning of the 7th with news of the fatal beating and my first thought was for Mike Sr. and how awful this was going to be for him. He had such a battle just trying to stay alive. For Miracleseeker to call me disrespectful because of my comment that Mikeal and David's actions (resulting in a man being DEAD) made Mike's life more miserable is a reflection of that posters complete lack of any intelligence or compassion. SHAME ON YOU! "
CarolynJ wrote on Feb 28, 2008 1:23 PM:
" And, miracleseeker you say the family had nothing to do with it? Maybe you missed the television news where it was a FAMILY MEMBER who was interviewed and came off sounding like a complete ass.... "Oh, whoops, it was an accident, there shouldn't be any punishment or jail time nevermind prison..." "
CarolynJ wrote on Feb 28, 2008 1:19 PM:
" I had great respect for Mike Sr. and for his battle with cancer. I have NO RESPECT for what Mikeal and David did. I also think you are WAY OFF BASE MiracleSeeker acting like my comment was a poor reflection on MY upbringing. I am not the one who gets into bar fights, nor do I have a record of misdemeanors and felonies folowing me around and I am not one to neglect ailing relatives or drag my family name through the mud via my actions. "
CarolynJ wrote on Feb 28, 2008 1:15 PM:
" I guess it's MiracleSeeker - should be intelligence seeker! "
CarolynJ wrote on Feb 28, 2008 1:14 PM:
" Miracle Worker says: " - how about showing a little respect? Mike Sr had nothing to do with this; nor did the rest of the family. They deserve the time to grieve without ignorant comments .......... your comment was unneccessary and reflects poorly on your upbringing. Shame on you! "
RESPECT would have been standing by your dying loved one rather than creating MORE PROBLEMS in a family that is already stressed out. Mikeal and David are making claims that the gatal beating was to defend Mike's honor - my point is look what a MESS they made for the last several wekks of his life. "
conscience? wrote on Feb 28, 2008 12:00 PM:
" miracleseeker- Are you saying that our actions as adults reflect our upbringing? I think this might be a revelation to all the people saying that the Heisz cousins families weren't at all responsible for how they turned out. "
froggy wrote on Feb 28, 2008 11:43 AM:
" Miracle seeker,
Shame on who. It is too bad the father died, but those men knew it was just a matter of days , why didn't they stay home & keep him company while his death was inevitable instead of out drinking their idiotic heads off & a man who wasn't s'pose to die would still be alive.
I have stated before: MY nephew was beaten up by the older members of this family years ago when he broke up with their sister so he could concentrate on college. He is lucky to have survived that!!!!! "
miracleseeker wrote on Feb 28, 2008 10:18 AM:
" CarolynJ - how about showing a little respect? Mike Sr had nothing to do with this; nor did the rest of the family. They deserve the time to grieve without ignorant comments from behind anonymous screen names. Loss is loss; we've all been there and your comment was unneccessary and reflects poorly on your upbringing. Shame on you!
"
froggy wrote on Feb 28, 2008 12:13 AM:
" To Packer Fan in Bear country: AMEN
Isn't it just sickening what they did & then let them out. $ 10,000 signature bond & $10,000 IN CASH for David. Wow!!
I was born & raised in Readstown & now am down around Racine & Kenosha since 1960. I cannot believe Viroqua let them out . If arrested , it's right to jail & they stay there if somebody did something like that down here.
I see above where the father died. Another benefit conversation causes a beating like that when there had been benefits prior & knowing Mikaels father was going to die in a matter of weeks what was another benefit going to do for him. Money in their pockets??
They are just use to getting away with whatever they want. "
CarolynJ wrote on Feb 27, 2008 3:59 PM:
" Mike Heisz Sr. died today a little after 2:00. This whole thing really helped make the end of his life even more miserable. "
Packer fan in Bear country wrote on Feb 26, 2008 3:21 PM:
" To begin with, I was born in Viroqua, and now live in Ill., and my mother lives in Readstown. I just want to say that here in Illinois when a suspect is arrested on murder charges, even if they are reduced to manslaughter, they are put on a 1 Million dollar bond, Period! I just cant under stand how Vernon Co. can let these two out on 10K. "
CarolynJ wrote on Feb 26, 2008 10:37 AM:
" I think David's attire for the appearance in front of the judge and for television cameras says a lot. Couldn't he find anything decent to wear? "
ptj wrote on Feb 25, 2008 6:44 PM:
" http://www.vernonbroadcaster.com/articles/2008/02/25/thisjustin/03leadthis.txt
here is the update link. "
ptj wrote on Feb 25, 2008 6:41 PM:
" Remember, residents, how your local sheriff behaved when he comes up for election again. Both of these men should have been in jail the night Kelly died. Do you think the average citizen would get this kind of 'kid glove' treatment? "
ptj wrote on Feb 25, 2008 6:37 PM:
" Still free on bail. I wonder if 10,000 is appropriate for the charges given David. Anyone know what the 'standard' bail is for 1st degree reckles homicide? It is still bothersome that Mikeal was treated to such minor charges. From most accounts, Kelly never fought back after the initial punch delivered by Mikeal inside the bar. Makes you wonder if he was even fully conscious when he was dragged out to his death. Maybe that hematoma on the left side of his head was the first blow. We will never know. Can you believe the audacity of Mikeal requesting to be able to work at a bar?! Bravo to the judge for denying that and for stating that having him in a bar would be a "public safety issue". I hope that the community will step up and help "police" the cousins and report any violations set by the court. "
conscience? wrote on Feb 25, 2008 6:00 PM:
" ptj- The judge didn't do enough as Dave should be sitting in jail awaiting trial. What a crock. "
ptj wrote on Feb 25, 2008 5:31 PM:
" Both men remain free on bail.(What a joke) Both are under curfew and, after Monday’s hearing, they are both subject to random breath tests for alcohol by law enforcement while they’re out in public. Also, a request by Mikeal Heisz’s attorney to allow his curfew to be extended so he could work at a Seneca tavern was denied by Rosborough.(Can you believe the audacity of this guy?!)
“He’s denied to work in a tavern,” Rosborough said. “It’s a public safety issue.” (Way to go Judge, the community thanks you)
"
CarolynJ wrote on Feb 25, 2008 5:03 PM:
" Still free on bail according to the Vernon Broadcaster.... "
BrightEyes wrote on Feb 25, 2008 10:09 AM:
" I think all of the "witnesses" and "patrons" at the bar are just covering for Mikeal and saying he wasn't outside the bar during the beating.
So, does David get to walk out of court this afternoon and go on about his life until the trial? Or will they hold him like O.J. until the verdict? "
BrightEyes wrote on Feb 25, 2008 9:54 AM:
" I TOTALLY AGREE! Mikeal had blood on his clothes too, AND he threw the first punch so why is he getting off with misdemeanor charges? My only guess is becasue it's his dad who is dying, not David's. Everyone knows that felons in Crawford County still have their guns.... After all, they figure nobody can take away thier "right to hunt" and their "right" to shine deer. And YES, they are both sick and twisted individuals to show up in their bloody clothes. They are making like all of this is because Kelly said something so utterly horrible about Mike Sr. (who will not live throught the end of this week)that they just had to beat him up and kill him. They are both creeps and need to go to prison. "
froggy wrote on Feb 24, 2008 11:13 AM:
" Guilty!!!!!. The sentence had better be longggggggg. I don't know what part his cousin played in it but he was there. It amazes me that nobody went to Kellys' aid & help was called only when it was too late.
My father was cop in Readstown years ago & so was my brother. Nobody fooled with them . You better believe they checked the bars frequently to make sure they were behaving themselves in there. Made sure the bars closed when they were s'pose to as well.
Kelly weighed 140 #'s. David figured he was an easy prey. Big man, David. They should have had David stay with Kelly all nite & look at his unrecognizable face. I bet that would have brought all that liquor up on him. Well, he will get it in prison for sure. "
froggy wrote on Feb 24, 2008 5:26 AM:
" Well, let's see here. They fled the scene after it happened & Davids cousin saw what Kelly looked like so jumped in the car & made a fast getaway. Had to get back home to go over what happened & then hide their GUNS for David was a felon. No time to change clothes for they are too busy hiding what David had & should not have. Also , I am sure they had to make their case sound good so there was much to discuss. David in his drunken state, had to be told over & over what he did & what to say the next day when they turned themselves in. I would like to know ,as well, why Davids cousin had so much blood on him as well. "
gk2 wrote on Feb 24, 2008 2:42 AM:
" For those two men to show up the next morning to turn themselves in with the victims blood still on their clothing is just SICK!! Normal human beings would have been sickened by what they had done and torn those clothing off of themselves. These are not normal human beings.
Also for them to be smiling the next day in front of the court shows that they had no remorse whatsoever for what they had done. "
gk2 wrote on Feb 24, 2008 2:38 AM:
" I just can't understand why Mikeal has been charged with misdemeanor charges. He layed hands on Kelly first and knocked him off of his bar stool. Kelly was supposedly then unconcious. Who is to say that one of the skull fractures wasn't caused by this? Then David dragged the unconcious man out of the bar and down five concrete steps and beat and kicked him to death. What was Mikeal doing all of this time? Did he just sit and drink another beer? And how did he end up with blood on his clothing? "
froggy wrote on Feb 23, 2008 11:53 PM:
" I want to know if this David is in jail now that he has been charged with reckless homicide or is he still allowed to go about his business as usual?
What does anybody else think about his going to prison. Will he do what alot of others do & commit suicide rather than go to prison. He may think he is a tough guy but prison doesn't even make a tough guy anything but somebody elses prey. Not so tough then. Beating someone to death, he just might get the same fate in prison . Yep, I understand his dad is dying & they have had a few benefits for him. Another benefit was mentioned in the bar & Kelly made a remark. Sticks & stones may break our bones but words will never hurt us. How many benefits does the family need???? "
kvplace wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:59 PM:
" First-Degree Reckless Homicide
First-degree reckless homicide is the reckless causing of the death of another human being or unborn child under circumstances which show an utter disregard for human life.
First degree reckless homicide carries a penalty of a Class B felony 60 years +
www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4HPID_en___US206&q=first+degree+reckless+homicide
www.wfrv.com/news/state/story.aspx?content_id=e58b560b-36ed-4d29-84f0-7d7432b5a2bc "
kvplace wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:46 PM:
" First-Degree Reckless Homicide
First-degree reckless homicide is the reckless causing of the death of another human being or unborn child under circumstances which show an utter disregard for human life.
First degree reckless homicide carries a penalty of a Class B felony 60 years +
www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4HPID_en___US206&q=first+degree+reckless+homicide
"
CarolynJ wrote on Feb 23, 2008 3:28 PM:
" The victim in Lac du Flambeau did not fight back but some witnesses did try to help him and stop the attack. In Lac du Flambeau an ambulance was called and medical personnel was treated en route to the ambulance and arrived at the hospital still alive and later died. I could go on, but do you see the differences? That’s why people are angry, because it appeared the Heisz case was not being taken as seriously as the heinous crime that is was. Had this happened in Spring Grove it would have drawn just as much concern, just in a different area, from angry citizens who believed justice was not being served and that would be the “motive” of the posters – to assure that needed attention was brought to the situation. "
CarolynJ wrote on Feb 23, 2008 3:27 PM:
" Indifferent: Whether this happened in Spring Grove, Minnesota or in Readstown is irrelevant. As a matter a fact a very similar thing DID happen in Lac du Flambeau in January. Two men were BOTH charged with first-degree reckless homicide. Rather than the $10,000 bond amount set in Vernon County these two men in Lac du Flambeau were facing $25,000 cash bonds. I believe that is why some people are “pissed off” at this situation with the Heisz cousins – the bond was set too low and there is a great feeling that “somebody” should have done something that would have helped the situation before death occurred. "
CarolynJ wrote on Feb 23, 2008 3:03 PM:
" First degree reckless homicide carries a penalty of a Class B felony. CLASS B FELONY:
For a Class B Felony, the penalty is imprisonment up to 60 years; however, for a repeat offender the term of imprisonment may increase up to 2 years with prior misdemeanor convictions, and up to 6 years with a prior felony conviction. "
CarolynJ wrote on Feb 23, 2008 3:01 PM:
" First-Degree Reckless Homicide: Under Wisconsin law, reckless homicide may be charged in the first degree (First Degree Reckless Homicide) or the second degree (Second Degree Reckless Homicide). First-degree reckless homicide is the reckless causing of the death of another human being or unborn child under circumstances which show an utter disregard for human life. "
CarolynJ wrote on Feb 23, 2008 2:59 PM:
" FELONY - More Than Criminal Effects
A person convicted of a felony cannot vote, serve on a jury, carry a firearm, or hold certain licenses or employment positions. "
froggy wrote on Feb 23, 2008 1:17 PM:
" Ok, I have just read that this David will be charged with reckless homicide.
Why did they flee the scene?? They fled the scene because they are felons & had guns. Felons can't have guns!!! Had to get them hid , right??? Most likely they spent the rest of the night hiding those guns so they went to court the next morning with their bloody clothes still on. Yes, David says he doesn't remember what or why. Of course not, he is going to do exactly what I said he will do. Too drunk & doesn't remember, will be his defense. Idiots. Well known troublemakers for years.I rest my case. "
ptj wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:26 AM:
" Indifferent,
Having no particular interest or concern; apathetic: indifferent to the sufferings of others.
Having no marked feeling for or against
Characterized by a lack of partiality; unbiased
Being neither too much nor too little;
moderate.
Being neither good nor bad; mediocre:
Being neither right nor wrong.
Not active or involved; neutral:
please live up to your sign on name. "
demanufactured_warrior wrote on Feb 23, 2008 8:06 AM:
" Well its out. Dave is being charged with 1st degree reckless homicide. Mike is being charged with battery and disorderly conduct, both misdomenors. "
Indifferent wrote on Feb 22, 2008 4:45 PM:
" After all if this happened in spring grove Mn and you didn't know the town or people, you sure wouldn't be so opinion bound. You would read the article and go oh thats terrible. Everyone on here can see your motives "
Indifferent wrote on Feb 22, 2008 4:03 PM:
" boognish:
Am I down playing it or are you blowing it up and running with it? I am going on facts when more facts come I will review my opinion then. What are you going on besides emotion? I understand people are pissed off, upset ext... but like I said it doesn't mean the rest of us are wrong or that your opinions are the only ones who matter. When this goes to trail our peers on the jury will be men and women who don't know the area and will base their decisions on facts. People should keep that in mind "
jenisgone wrote on Feb 22, 2008 3:45 PM:
" Demanufactured-Is manslaughter a higher or lower charge than second-degree reckless homicide? "
demanufactured_warrior wrote on Feb 22, 2008 3:13 PM:
" I dont know, I think that Dave will be charged with manslaughter myself. The way the Judge is in Vernon county, at least from my inpression, thats what I think will happen Monday. There is no way he will get 1st degree murder charges, or 2nd. "
Boognish wrote on Feb 22, 2008 2:57 PM:
" Indifferent, by the way you continually try to down play what happened to this poor man, one could only logically assume you were buddies. This was not extremely poor judgment or a tragedy; it was MURDER. And the only tragedy is these two homicidal madmen are walking around free men right now. Hopefully that will all change on Monday. "
Indifferent wrote on Feb 22, 2008 2:39 PM:
" froggy: You also need to re-read what i wrote obviously you are not understanding, I am not sticking up for anyone or slandering anyone. I took the only true facts out there formed an opinion and posted it. Its not my fault you and others feel the need to try and twist it, its not my fault that perhaps its lack of intellect or lack of faith or lack of ability for you to see how predujust you are being twards a fact based opinion. So your pissed off, that doesn't make me right and you wrong and that doesn't make your opinion better than mine! "
froggy wrote on Feb 22, 2008 2:22 PM:
" Indifferent!! I never said rumors & hear say were facts so your question when did rumors & hear say or what ever , become facts--- they didn't.
Hear say will get nobody anywhere. If you read what I wrote I will say again. I wrote & asked IF it was true that the bartender locked the doors while the fight was going on outside.
I still say, they both need to be behind bars & should have been years ago.David looks like nothing but a thug. As judges say, "Sticks & stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me." David killed him & there is no way around it no matter what you "stick up for these 2 SO CALLED MEN," say!!!!! "
Indifferent wrote on Feb 22, 2008 2:07 PM:
" boognish: Do you know what the Definition of assume is? What makes you think these are buddies of mine? Just because I am familar with the area and happen to know some people from Gays Mills you automatically assume I know them. Because I choose to look at the facts and form an opinion on facts this automatically makes them "buddies" of mine? And as for the blood on their clothes, whose blood was it? The paper never said whos it was just that they had blood on them. And no these are not "buddies" of mine "
nemo wrote on Feb 22, 2008 1:37 PM:
" Well said Brooke! "
Brooke wrote on Feb 22, 2008 1:15 PM:
" These two took a very special person away from us. I don't understand a lot of you. Kelly may have spoke his mind that night but God last time I knew we're in America which we have to right to freedom of speech. How many of you get mad and speak your mind? I bet all of you do! There's a time in life where you need to grow up and just let things go. Cause in the end it's really not worth it. I'm sure their family is going through a whole bunch of emotions right now. But at least their family will get to see them even if it is behind bars. But unlike my family we'll never see this wonderful human being that we were so lucky to have with us ever again. There's no comparison.
"
Brooke wrote on Feb 22, 2008 12:55 PM:
" Mikeal was the first to physically place his hands on Kelly and who's to say by his blows he threw didn't lead to Kelly's death. And yes I understand they probably didn't walk into the bar that night thinking that this was gonna happen but all the matters now is that it did happen and now many people are hurt, scared and even extremely mad at the whole situation "
Brooke wrote on Feb 22, 2008 12:45 PM:
" You are correct KV. Those injuries are way more then someone trying to escort you out of the bar. Like Mikeal said in his blogs from the first news article Kelly said something bad about his father so there's the motive right there. DAH!! Yeah David may have done most of the damage so I'm not worried about him being charge but Mikeal is just as at fault. It's called party to a crime and which he falls under totally. "
kvplace wrote on Feb 22, 2008 12:23 PM:
" If what took place included, the Heisz Men,
"Mike was asked to make Kelly leave, so when he did, they fell over the barstools, thus sustaining the rib injuries which caused the laceration to his liver and when outside he fell and hit his head, thus recieving the skull fractures! "
Why did the Heisz men flea the sence? Why didn't they stay at the sence to give statements to the police?
I don't believe that the serious, death causing injuries came from falling off a barstool and falling outside.
"
Boognish wrote on Feb 22, 2008 11:24 AM:
" Indifferent, I defiantly think the sick beaters are exponentially colder than the watchers, but I also think the watchers should be held accountable as well. You apparently have a limited education, or are just void of any moral rational human thought. Face it! Your buddies are going to prison with the rest of the murderers. "
Indifferent wrote on Feb 22, 2008 10:51 AM:
" boognish:
Since you are so high on yourself right now answer these questions then, everyone in the bar suposidly saw dave drag kelly 23ft out of the bar and then 6 bystanders watched him, how did you put that ahh yes savagely beat kelly for 5 minutes and then when this was all done they helped kelly. Why wasn't it stopped before they got out the door? Why didn't someone step in on a 5 minute beating? Where were all of kelly's buddies then? Whose more cold the savage beater or the 6 watchers "
Indifferent wrote on Feb 22, 2008 10:48 AM:
" Boognish: Once again thank you for proving my point of twisting and ignorant! I did not call it an accident its a tragedy, once again can you comprehend what you read? I know my opinion is correct when I stated that at the begining of the night they didn't set out to celebrate the birthday by saying lets kill someone tonight. And Obviously it was an extreme bad call of judgement, otherwise it wouldn't have happened "
demanufactured_warrior wrote on Feb 22, 2008 10:37 AM:
" We are all Diseased Animals. Why are you so concerned about this anyway? Boognish? "
Boognish wrote on Feb 22, 2008 10:27 AM:
" According to the article above, using the police report for reference … The facts are!!! They both had blood on their clothes, and they both had physical contact with Kelly. I don’t care, and I’m sure the jury won’t care if they came to the bar to commit murder, they DID! This wasn’t an accident! This wasn’t one moment of bad judgment! THEY! Savagely, ruthlessly and continually beat this man to DEATH. The jury will see picture after picture of Kelly’s savagely beat body. And then they will hear the medical examiners report. And if they don’t throw up after all that, I will be surprised. Only a Diseased Animal would do something like this! "
Indifferent wrote on Feb 22, 2008 10:26 AM:
" I am sure everything I just said will be twisted and slammed as usual on here but for the intelligent ppl who understand thank you for reading and posting opinions that make sense and comments that are true. To the ignorant people re-read comments and then your statements, you will see how ignorant you truely are, and how stupid you sound. "
Indifferent wrote on Feb 22, 2008 10:19 AM:
" TO everyone who wants to get other medias involved to keep fresh in peoples minds about whats going on, well thats accually a great idea, however no one is going to listen to a bunch of ranting and raving idiots on what they think or heard happened. Be real the press and media will go by law enforcement statements and the same facts I listed will be what is said. However come Monday afternoon we will get more information and for the smart people will be better informed "
Indifferent wrote on Feb 22, 2008 10:14 AM:
" and killing someone tonight. This whole situation however is not an accident its a tragedy. And like I have always said they should be held accountable for what they did. However the LAW should hold them accountable because they will do that on the facts. All of you are holding them accountable on rummors and fictitions storries. Which your keeping going thinking its helping? You want to make sure justice is served have some faith in your peers and out system this b/s of them paying off vernon cty law enforcement is ludicrous "
demanufactured_warrior wrote on Feb 22, 2008 10:02 AM:
" Will shall see the charges Monday afternoon. "
demanufactured_warrior wrote on Feb 22, 2008 9:59 AM:
" I am thinking that Mike will not get prison time. He will most likely get a misdemenor charge. Maybe sit county jail time, or get out on bond from that. "
Indifferent wrote on Feb 22, 2008 9:59 AM:
" Also I think its horrible how everyone is so set in mind that they are accually accusing us for stiking up for what they did. We are not and no one on here as said anything close to they should not have a punishment for their crimes. What they were stating is when someone gets in a car accident, or a drunk driving accident happens and someone dies do they deserve to be called murders. Their point was these ppl who have accidents like that did not set out and say I am getting behind the wheel "
Indifferent wrote on Feb 22, 2008 9:52 AM:
" Its also ok to be upset and have an opinion, however it is not ok to sit there and slander two people you don't know. I truely believe they did not go out to celebrate a birthday with the mentallity of I am going to beat someone to death tonight! And whoever thinks that was their intentions are being ignorant. However I do believe that what happened deserves consiquences (which I have stated all along!) I just hope that the right amount of consiquence goes to the right person "
Indifferent wrote on Feb 22, 2008 9:48 AM:
" boognish: What am I spinning in order to defend the heiz boys? I stated facts and facts only, you are the one spinning things. Because you are so narrow minded you can't stop and look at the whole picture, so like a child I will spell it out for you. What I typed were the facts and facts only released to our public by the LAW. The questions I posed are not to defend anyone its to make people stop and realize how little we truely know about what happened because we weren't there
"
Boognish wrote on Feb 22, 2008 7:10 AM:
" They BOTH had blood on their clothes! They BOTH should be tried for murder! And if the bartender ask those two homicidal moron to remove him for the bar… he should be charged with accessory to murder. The medical examiner will be able to tell how Kelly’s injuries occurred. Indifferent, Drpepper, thinkbe4, and hearts4 can all try to spin this for those sissy cousins, but there is no way they are not going to prison. This thing has come up on to many radar screens. $25,000 is just the tip of the iceberg these murderers will be spending on legal fees! And what the lawyer don’t get, Kelly’s family will. If it was me, I’d all the bystanders as well. "
froggy wrote on Feb 21, 2008 9:28 PM:
" To you who said where do people get these rumors about hear say with one said this & this one said that. I never said it was true the bartender locked the doors. I asked IF it was true that the bartender locked the doors at the bar while the beating was going on.
The bars are also held responsible when they choose to serve patrons too much to drink.
They look mighty bad in their picture in the paper. If David took him out there to just have a little fight, why did he keep it up until he killed him??? Why did his cousin,Mikey, let him do that anyway??????? "
conscience? wrote on Feb 21, 2008 8:25 PM:
" What gives either cousin the right to make Kelly leave even if the bartender asked them to? Is the bartender suddenly law enforcement? The bartender should have called actual law enforcement if he/she asked Kelly to leave and he refused. I managed a bar/restaurant in college, and I called the police on more than one occasion to remove patrons. You don't ask drinking patrons to do it for you.
"
Geesh wrote on Feb 21, 2008 5:26 PM:
" think before you talk.... wrote on Feb 21, 2008 3:38 PM:
" ok im just going to state the possibilities here: i heard mike was asked to make kelly leave, so when he did, they fell over the barstools, thus sustaining the rib injuries which caused the laceration to his liver and when outside he fell and hit his head, thus recieving the skull fractures! "
Have you any idea what it takes to lacerate a liver? Think this. Get kicked by an animal and maybe then... Mike does NOT deserve what Dave gets that's for sure!
Geesh "
honeybee71 wrote on Feb 21, 2008 4:39 PM:
" Sue and Sequoia I am so sorry for your loss this is a senseless tragedy that should not of happened. Sue if you need anything please call (ST Bernie's Daughter the # is still the same) "
honeybee71 wrote on Feb 21, 2008 4:32 PM:
" bright eyes I agree totally with what you say if justice is served they will have plenty of time to think about their actions. I still think that it is a great idea to bring in cnn, channel 3000, fox news, anyone who would draw attention to this case. If that happens they would be much less likely to get away with murder. They may have funds to buy off local courts but not if it is made national news. Someone please make these contacts. "
honeybee71 wrote on Feb 21, 2008 4:18 PM:
" dryper how can you defend these two friends or not
-Dave and Mike beat on a man twice thier age and half their size over a $2 Beer. From the sounds of it money is not really a issue for them they spilled the man's beer how about saying sorry let me get the next one for you. Instead the cocky sob's drag Kelly outside and beat him to death. It was their decision to drag him out of the bar against his will and it was also thier choice to maliciously attack him causing great bodily harm resulting in his death. "
indifferent wrote on Feb 21, 2008 3:56 PM:
" conscience:
All I am stating is facts but thanks for proving my point once again! NO ONE KNOWS WHAT TRUELY HAPPENED BUT THE PARTIES INVOVLED! The truth will come out, I am just glad to see people like you are petty enough to try and make fun of people who study facts instead of opinions and then make smart@## comments because you can't rebute the facts! Nice glad to see you failed kindergarden "
think before you talk.... wrote on Feb 21, 2008 3:38 PM:
" ok im just going to state the possibilities here: i heard mike was asked to make kelly leave, so when he did, they fell over the barstools, thus sustaining the rib injuries which caused the laceration to his liver and when outside he fell and hit his head, thus recieving the skull fractures! "
Indifferent wrote on Feb 21, 2008 2:57 PM:
" These are facts and facts only no hear say no he said she said bull*&$%! This is what was reported to the police and what they have let out to our media! Why doesn't everyone try to focus on that! Instead of how bad can we slander people we don't know and that is all we want to do because we like gossip and have nothing else to do "
conscience? wrote on Feb 21, 2008 2:56 PM:
" Ahh..It all makes sense now. Kelly beat HIMSELF so badly that he died of massive internal injuries and a fractured scull. A couple of extra punches to himself and he added broken ribs. Case closed. Thanks for the info Indifferent. "
Indifferent wrote on Feb 21, 2008 2:40 PM:
" So in going from facts and facts only, tell me why Mike should fry when he never touched Kelly? Is is just because his cousin did? Also tell me why the owner and/or bartender should loose theirs licenses when this fight took place outside on the city sidewalk and not on the establishment or establishment property? Furthermore tell me why if all these people claimed to love Kelly so much, why you'd let someone drag him 23FT out of the bar without DOING or SAYING ANYTHING! "
Indifferent wrote on Feb 21, 2008 2:34 PM:
" There was a 2nd altercation that went horribly wrong: No one knows how that got started and it was stated by the 6 BYSTANDERS! who watched and did nothing until the fight was done that this lasted 5 minutes, thats in the police report. Also stated by the 6 BYSTANDERS, which is also in the police report no one knows where Mike was at the time Dave and Kelly were outside. There are NO POLICE REPORTS staying the bartender locked the door or that Mike ever touched the guy "
Indifferent wrote on Feb 21, 2008 2:28 PM:
" I am so sick of hearing all the bull#*^& rummors about what people have heard from three other people who talked to another guy who susposedly was there! Lets focus on the facts: This whole situation is a horrible tragedy, not an accident a tragedy! There were three people involved one died. There was an altercation in the bar which resulted in nothing more than two growen men landing on the floor, not even a punch was thrown! "
Indifferent wrote on Feb 21, 2008 2:22 PM:
" Froggy: Since when did rumors and hear say become facts in what happened in Readstown? Drpepper: If you were there and saw the whole thing why didn't you try to stop the fight beings you know the cousins soo well? Hate to tell ya but your story makes no sense, if you knew Kelly and Dave and Mike then why would you let Dave drag him 23 feet out of the bar door and not do anything? FOR THE RECORD they have not said whether or not Mike helped drag Kelly out of the bar as well "
froggy wrote on Feb 21, 2008 12:19 PM:
" I asked if it was true the bartender locked the doors while the fight was going on. Carolyn, I can only say it is what is being told up there & I heard it from a relative who also heard it from someone else. if so, that bartender was keeping a hostage situation as well. Insane or what?? That family is. The older ones beat up my nephew years ago for breaking up with their sister as he was going to college. Lucky they didn't kill him.
I am formerly from Readstown. Born & raised there. "
Brooke wrote on Feb 21, 2008 9:10 AM:
" Where did the bartender get their license? I’m a bartender where I live and it's my duty to call the authorities when a fight breaks out and someone is getting hurt. The first sign of an altercation they’re gone. NO IF ANDS OR BUTS…cause what I say goes. If someone is to drunk to drive that’s when a taxi service is in need and like I read prior Readstown doesn’t have a taxi service well there’s always someone to call. I’m really trying to understand why this bartender thought they weren’t responsible. I’m not trying to place blame on the bartender or the six bystanders’. Just trying to understand their actions that night. I appreciate the ones that have come forward with their statements and the ones that tried all they could to help Kelly. We know who you are and are grateful for you. Thank you "
J2U wrote on Feb 21, 2008 8:46 AM:
" As everyone knows or should know, in Wisconsin, the age of majority, the age one is judged an adult is 18. These are not "boys", big or otherwise, they are grown men who act like homicidal children. They have been dealt with as favored children by the law in several counties. People need to call the Vernon Co. procecutors office and encourage them to prosecute this case to the fullest. It's the community and the people in it who will suffer if it isn't done. (608) 637-5357
"
Brooke wrote on Feb 20, 2008 9:30 PM:
" Wisconsin state statute:
940.02 First-degree reckless homicide
Whoever recklessly causes the death of another human being under circumstances that show utter disregard for human life is guilty of a Class B felony.
Now this is what should be charged cause they surely showed utter disregard for Kelly's life that night. If you don't like it then to bad cause if they did have any care in the world for human life they would have realized Kelly wasn't fighting back instead of beating him over and over again. "
Brooke wrote on Feb 20, 2008 9:23 PM:
" Wisconsin state statue reads:
940.34 Duty to aid victim or report crime.
Any person who knows that a crime is being committed and that a victim is exposed to bodily harm shall summon law enforcement officers or other assistance or shall provide assistance to the victim. ANYBODY who violates this is guilty of a Class C misdemeanor.
Note: shall means you have to by law. "
conscience? wrote on Feb 20, 2008 8:26 PM:
" DrPepper-How exactly did Kelly start the fight? Did he throw a punch? Someone else a while back said that Dave knocked over Kelly's beer while being spanked for his B-day and Kelly replied "you owe me a beer", and that started it all. I'm confused as to what really happened. "
Geesh wrote on Feb 20, 2008 7:22 PM:
" In all honesty (and there is not much of it that will come from the one defendant in this case) a $25,000 retainer really isn't that impressive but it gives him something to brag about.(That works for him and he'll need a dam good attorney) On another note, even if the attorney gets him off and the man would show any remorse for taking a life (and I mean any remorse)allot of people would view him so much differently. If not this guy may as well leave the area forever.
Geesh "
BrightEyes wrote on Feb 20, 2008 7:04 PM:
" I've also heard about the great lawyer who charged a $25,000 retainer but claims he will never serve any time. Pretty smug and it's no wonder this thread is getting so many posts!! I'm guessing his dad helped him come up with the $$$ "
Geesh wrote on Feb 20, 2008 6:21 PM:
" Dr. Pepper, sorry you have to relive this over and over and we hope you stick to your guns as far as your testimony when it does go to court. We all just wish we could see remorse from these 2. One is already bragging about how good his lawyer is and seems this issue is just another bump in his road. He actually believes he will get out of the entire thing. I've really learned how cold some can be since hearing all of this. I just don't see how some can think it's a joke when someone is hurt, let alone dead after something like this.
Geesh "
R83 wrote on Feb 20, 2008 4:53 PM:
" drpepper, according to one of the cousins on a Feb 7th comment, the only thing that happened outside was that Kelly fell and hit his head on the steps, is that true? Link to the article and comments from "get the truth" http://www.lacrossetribune.com/articles/2008/02/07/breakingnews/05readstown.txt "
drpepper76 wrote on Feb 20, 2008 4:52 PM:
" I know Dave and Mike ultimately know who is responsible for this tragedy. I call it that because of the over-indulgence of alcohol by the three main parties involved. I wish everyone well. Dave and Mike need to be held accountable! Let's all keep that in mind. Accountability should lie with Dave and Mike and no-one, no matter who you are and what your views, can argue that hey shouldn't face the music. Maybe those two need to confess to their crimes and save our community the cost of a trial when THEY know what they did! "
drpepper76 wrote on Feb 20, 2008 4:30 PM:
" Let's keep this fresh in our heads is right. I dont care what Scott Bjerkos says, it was NOT 5 minutes long. I "wittnessed" it. It was 2:30 long AT MOST! Think about it people. Kelly DID start this fight. Dave did NOT mean to kill him, and now Dave and Mike must live with what happened. I hope they get prison out of it, BUT I do NOT believe they are bad guys. What happened in the bar, Dave looked calm enough to control himself. I've know Dave for over ten years, knew him to be violent, didn't dream this would ever happen. Now I have nightmares about it. I KNOW without a doubt I could have held my own and not been hurt by Dave. "
CarolynJ wrote on Feb 20, 2008 2:43 PM:
" R83 - I too would like to see an account of exactly what happened from someone who was actually there. I know that the newspapers are saying the beating lasted 5 minutes and others are saying everything happened very quickly. Clearly a lot of damage took place in whatever amount of time.
Froggy - where did you hear about the doors being locked by the bartender? I would like to know more about that as well.
"
shorty78 wrote on Feb 20, 2008 2:28 PM:
" see, did it again. I'm just leaving now. lol "
shorty78 wrote on Feb 20, 2008 2:27 PM:
" Sorry, I have been commenting on people's speeling abilities, yet I keep forgetting to proofread when I am at work because I get in such a hurry. My apologies for again being a hypocrite. "
CarolynJ wrote on Feb 20, 2008 1:54 PM:
" kvplace and ptj: you're absolutely right - we need to keep this issue in the front of the minds of the people in our communities so that this one doesn't slip through the cracks and set a precedent for anyone who may kill in the future and use the "bar fight gone wrong" defense. The minority of people writing on here who are saying this was no different than a car accident clearly are living in their own deluded world and nobody can make them see what civilized society is all about. "
CarolynJ wrote on Feb 20, 2008 1:49 PM:
" Hearts4Strong says: " i still don't think that dave and mikey should be charged with muder. do i think that they should get more then a slap on there wrist yes. yes to even jail time. but this was not done with the intent to kill someone, hurt yes, kill no. "
First, jail is a place where persons awaiting trial or those convicted of misdemeanors are sent. Prison is where convicted fellons end up.
You indicate their intent was to hurt but not kill? Ever heard of aggravated battery? That's still a felony.
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shorty78 wrote on Feb 20, 2008 12:44 PM:
" Its been a while since I've been here, so...Hearts4strong - how do you compare a car accident on an icy road resultibg in a death to this!? Yeah, maybe they didn't go to the bar to intentionally kill the man - or even think 'hey, I'm gonna murder someone today", but c'mon, how do you "accidentally" beat a man to death? What did they expect to happen? I've never heard anything so rediculous in my life. "
R83 wrote on Feb 20, 2008 12:28 PM:
" Wow, I finally made it through all the comments! If drpepper is still checking in, I'd like to hear his account of what happened from beginning to end. I've got bits here and there, but never all together. My main questions are how the fight actually started, whether Mike was involved in the beating outside and who finally called for help and when the call was made. If you could clear that up for me drpepper, I'd appreciate it. "
kvplace wrote on Feb 20, 2008 12:16 PM:
" Sorry, I meant Monday the 25th, 2008 after 1:00pm. HOPEFULLY charges will be filed.....
-awaiting postings monday 25th, 2008 afternoon- "
kvplace wrote on Feb 20, 2008 11:11 AM:
" So, on Monday 15, 2008, 1:00pm, charges should be filed. Lets hope for 1st Degree Reckless Homicide, at minimum. If not, writting the Attorney General's office would be a good idea.
-Awaiting postings on Monday 25th afternoon.- "
think before you talk.... wrote on Feb 20, 2008 11:08 AM:
" mondays hearing is only to see if they will get any charges from this. they wont be sentenced for a while yet! "
kvplace wrote on Feb 20, 2008 9:47 AM:
" Zen, you are welcome.
CarolynJ, Thank you for your web site info," wcc.wicourts.gov" it is very useful, I've looked up everyone I know and even people I don't know. There isn't much we can do now, until after Mon 25th.
Please post any info on the outcome of Mondays hearing. Many of the concerned people on this matter, do not live in the area, but vist Readstown offen and it is hard to get information. "
zen wrote on Feb 20, 2008 8:58 AM:
" You're welcome. Here's another.
http://www.vernonbroadcaster.com/articles/2008/02/18/thisjustin/04leadthis.txt "
kvplace wrote on Feb 20, 2008 8:34 AM:
" ptj... you got it right. Keeping people on track and involved will aid in getting justice. Vernon County officials need to know that the people in the area will be outraged if justice doesn't prevail on this terrible homicide.
I am awaiting for Monday the 25th to see what charges are filed. This forum seems like to best place to find info on the crime.
ptj, thank you the info on the other stories.
Zen, Thank you for the web sites-very useful.
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landon99 wrote on Feb 20, 2008 7:48 AM:
" Where is the article saying that the bartender locked the doors, I would be very interested to read it. Also, I left a comment a few days ago for Ron Nash (Kickapoogian) and didn't get a response. Ron, if you are still keeping up with these posts, could you please respond. "
ollie wrote on Feb 19, 2008 11:31 PM:
" I don't give a damn if they didn't mean to kill this guy or not. Actions have consequences if this doesn't get a murder charge the Attorney General will be stepping in.
Those of you that support these two are friggin nuts just like they are.
I hope Andy and Barney and Goober didn't foul up the evidence.
Ever seen the movie deliverance? "
hearts4strong wrote on Feb 19, 2008 7:55 PM:
" i still don't think that dave and mikey should be charged with muder. do i think that they should get more then a slap on there wrist yes. yes to even jail time. but this was not done with the intent to kill someone, hurt yes, kill no. "
ptj wrote on Feb 19, 2008 6:52 PM:
" Here are the website pages covering a very similar incident that happened the en
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