Never cease to amaze me wrote on Mar 17, 2008 7:17 PM:
" Shelby would have dug another well that would have had bad water too. The city looked for a long term solution. "
joeemt wrote on Mar 17, 2008 6:39 PM:
" If the school board is so worried about money, why did they annex State Road school to the city and pay over $100,000 to hook up to city water when Shelby offered to do it all for free. And the city decided to annex the school at over $100,000 cost to the city. Another tax exempt property. "
Never cease to amaze me wrote on Mar 17, 2008 5:01 PM:
" David, and just who would you suggest picks the person, the mayor...come one give me a break, it is not like Kember made the decision and went with one of his buddies. Beleive it or not the school board care about the tax payers and were concerned about asking for money, that is why they felt 35 million was better than the 121 million in problems that was found. They could be asking for that but they felt it would be too big of a burden. Go to some school board meetings sometime....you might learn a thing or two. I guess you are on sign patrol now, I am sure you will pull the ones out that are on the boulevard. If the city owns the boulevard then they should mow it. "
Gunny wrote on Mar 17, 2008 2:23 PM:
" The problem with building the new school is that they said it would cost no more than X dollars. I am willing to bet that the cost has risen at least $2 million since they wrote the referendum. By the time it is voted on and they could start building it will increase another $2 million. Everything is going up because of the cost of oil right now. This includes building products. To build this school will be at least $10 million more by the time it is completed. No building project ever comes in at cost or less. Even more so if it is a government project. Put up a pole building and save millions over what they want. Vote NO "
davidinlse wrote on Mar 17, 2008 2:15 PM:
" RE: Never cease to amaze me. I want someone NOT SELECTED BY THE SCHOOL BOARD to to the evaluation. I can hire any putz in the world if I specify what the results are to be. By the way, if your so proud of the yes signs, I suggest you start by doing them LEGALLY, and NOT put them on the boulevard. "
Never cease to amaze me wrote on Mar 17, 2008 1:13 PM:
" David, who do you think came up with the $121 million in building problems of which the school district is asking for 20 million to repair problems and eliminate 6 million in problems by closing the two big problem schools and building a new one...it was an outside firm. Pitch in a go to a school board meeting every once in a while and you might learn something. I bet you failed to attend the forums that were held at the schools. An informed voter will give a YES vote. They have seen the problems. Don't pretend to know something about the problem just from sitting behind your computer. Get out an see the problems first hand. It is people like you that make me feel good about every VOTE YES sign I stick in the ground. "
Thoughtful wrote on Mar 17, 2008 12:14 PM:
" David,
Why close Emerson? "
davidinlse wrote on Mar 17, 2008 10:07 AM:
" RE: Never cease to amaze me. It's you who amaze's me. Your so far wrong it's almost laughable. This school district has recieved far more, and accomplished much less than others in the area. If these proposals are passed, it's just more money down the drain. It's time to CUT THE SCHOOL OVERHEAD. Get rid of half of the staffing at Hogan. CLOSE HOGAN. That building is and continues to be a drain. CLOSE EMERSON. Then look at the other buildings next year after a PROFESSIONAL outsider inspects and determines the need. This blundering around by our school board has to stop. "
Never cease to amaze me wrote on Mar 17, 2008 7:36 AM:
" Public education is about giving kids an equal opportunity to learn. Mixing classes of wealthy and poor students is to give the kids a better experience and help all the schools with fundraising and other things. Rich snobs like you don't deserve any better than anyone else from a public funded school system. "
JS wrote on Mar 17, 2008 7:03 AM:
" LaCrosse spends almost $2,000 more per student than the highest spending suburban district - Holmen. Onalaska and West Salem spend approximately $1,000 less than Holmen per student. Yet these districts do just as well when it comes to test scores. Do I believe 100% in test scores? No, but they are really all we have to compare between the four districts. Another fact is La Crosse's enrollment is declining while the other three are growing. Why? Maybe it is because on a $150,000 in Onalaska or Holmen you would pay $1,000 less in taxes than in LaCrosse yet your kids could receive the same education. Dumping millions into schools cannot solve everything. The district's socio-economic policy has done more in the last 15 years than money could ever do and that is give poorer kids a fair chance to be educated by placing them with their wealthier peers. "
jeremy wrote on Mar 16, 2008 10:04 PM:
" Example:
La Crosse spends $2,000,000 on their schools. The state funds roughly half of that, so La Crosse gets about $1,000,000 in state aid. La Crosse makes cuts down to $1.5 million dollars to fit their budget. The next year, La Crosse only gets $750,000 in state aid.
Aid is adjusted for inflation of 2.3%, when expenses are going up at 8% and in some cases such as gas and health care, 80%.
How exactly is a school district supposed to make it? They can cut, but get less aid the next year.
Oh and all of you complaining about the same sex partner health coverage, many of you were the same ones calling those of us against gay marriage bigots!!!!!!!!!!!! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! "
jeremy wrote on Mar 16, 2008 10:04 PM:
" 2. Regarding the schools having to come to the community for money. Do you realize that when a school cuts things, they actually get less money from the state the next year? The current system does not reward responsible spending, it rewards rich suburban districts that spend $10,000/kid. Each year you make cuts, the state gives less money
"
jeremy wrote on Mar 16, 2008 10:02 PM:
" I understand everyone's arguments here and appreciate the points of views.
I have 2 points:
1. Regarding teacher's pay/benefits. Many of you are using the private sector's benefits/pay as a comparison. What division of the private sector do we use to compare numbers? Like it or not education is a variable in pay/benefits. Are you saying that someone who attended no college, a technical college, or didn't finish college deserves the same benefits as those that did finish college? If that's the case and we want to bring down costs, we should base everyone's pay on the fastfood industry. No pay for experience, you make the same whether it's your first year or 40th year.
"
Thoughtful wrote on Mar 16, 2008 8:49 PM:
" Kate,
I don't know about cameras either, not sur ethey get done what they hope they get done "
Kate wrote on Mar 16, 2008 7:20 PM:
" Thoughtful: it is true that much of the City of La Crosse is tax exempt. That is one issue which causes the taxes to be so high. Another issue is that a large amount of the City of La Crosse budget goes to Police and Fire. They also are able to retire early and get significant benefits. I understand that the size of our police force is quite large compared to cities of similar size.
With regard to where the school district is spending the money, a tour of the buildings shows the improvements are not about aesthetics. I do disagree with the significant amount spent on "safety" such as on cameras. "
smuckers1 wrote on Mar 16, 2008 6:58 PM:
" To WDJS: What other professions would you use? "
smuckers1 wrote on Mar 16, 2008 6:56 PM:
" Dear "Concern" AKA North Sider: Please answer this:...Why must school employees be compared to the private sector? Please, please, please...just a one or two sentence answer. "
Thoughtful wrote on Mar 16, 2008 6:04 PM:
" At least part of the problem is that half the city is tax exempt, including employers who directly benefit from property tax funded institutions. If you need nurses, wouldn't it make sense to help fund the place that trains them? If you draw employees based on the outstanding public school system, shouldn't you kick in. The district may be a bit top heavy and the benefits are high, but these are just trees, we must see the forest. I remain a resident of La Crosse, until I can't..
I hope for better dialogue than we are getting about a real problem "
Thoughtful wrote on Mar 16, 2008 6:03 PM:
" I will vote yes, but it is a struggle. My child goes to Emerson, which has wonderful staff but frankly is an armpit.
But, I am paying $4000 annually on my modest home and am squeezed by that as well.
I don't know the solution is, the problem is more broad than the endless crabbing about comparables and salaries and benefits. The benefits are awesome, but instead of trying to raise up others we get busy trying to pull folks back in the sewer. "
WDJS wrote on Mar 16, 2008 5:53 PM:
" Autumn: Please do a story on teacher retirement benefits compared to other professions. Compare teacher salaries in burbs to LAX teacher salaries. La Crosse admin and teachers lost credibility way back when Southern Bluffs and Northwoods were built, then Jefferson closed. If they say "YES", I will say "NO"! "
Never cease to amaze me wrote on Mar 16, 2008 2:49 PM:
" They did not HAVE to fundraise for computers, they choose to.
PTO fundraising has the parents at the school choose what to spend the money on, they wanted computers so they got it. My son went there and he said it was all for one teacher. "
dbl lung wrote on Mar 16, 2008 2:25 PM:
" During the last operating referendum the taxpayers voted for yes. This money was supposed to be for technology (there was mention that technoilogy included purchasing computers) and other operating costs. Why was it that the Longfellow students had to fundraise $20,000 so computers could be purchased for their school? "
dbl lung wrote on Mar 16, 2008 2:19 PM:
" I am so sick of hearing how Onalaska, West Salem, Bangor and Holmen have new schools and because of that LaCrosse is losing "good families!" What these closed minded people who are saying this don't understand is LaCrosse has become the inner city attracting the low lifes from the North and South so the "good families" have moved to where they don't have to live next to them much less have their kids attend school with them. Competing for these "good families" is only going to drive LaCrosse further behind. How about we spend this money on driving the scum out of LaCrosse first? "
JS wrote on Mar 16, 2008 2:13 PM:
" With declining enrollment why should they keep both schools open? Stick with the original plan of combining Roosevelt and Franklin into Franklin while keeping the old building, but in November put on the ballot a maintenance referendum. This referendum will pass and then these urgent safety needs plus maintenance issues at Franklin will be addressed. There is no need to spend that much money when the problem an be addressed in a cheaper way. I have nothing against investing in schools but when the district thinks they can freely spend our money because everything has to be new that is when I become concerned. "
Concern wrote on Mar 16, 2008 1:33 PM:
" 35 million here, 45 million there, 15.9 million here. Oh what the heck?
Never cease- Nothing draws you out like school spending issues. I smell toilet paper on somebody's shoe! "$5k in property taxes"? Big deal! The problem is too many cannot afford this bloated system. By your posts you illustrate you either do not get it, or do not care. "
Never cease to amaze me wrote on Mar 16, 2008 1:21 PM:
" Concern, I liked you better as northsider. Anyways to JS why stick approx 4 million into two schools that you could closed and build a new one for 10 milion more, also you would be saving about 410,000 dollars a year in staffing by combining the two schools, overall saving the tax payers money in the end. It is people like concern who cannot see the long term benefits of this referendum.
To sad sally: I currently pay 5,000 in property taxes and would gladly pay more to give this communities schools the things they need to be safe. Heaven forbid something bad happened here you nay sayers would be mad that the schools didn't have better security. GET A CLUE, VOTE YES "
JS wrote on Mar 16, 2008 12:23 PM:
" I think most people would be glad to support maintenance if they removed building a new school from the referendum. Although what I wonder is why does the school district think they need new boilers every 30 years? Between the city increasing property taxes by an average of 8% each year over the last 3 years and a downturn in the economy the school board is not examining the situation very well. After this fails they should come back with a maintenance only referendum and then they might get my vote. "
concern wrote on Mar 16, 2008 11:44 AM:
" I dare School Board President Christine Clair to state her support staff in real life is paid and supported at the same level that the school systems pays there employees. That point is not only relevant, but it also illustrates the level of denial in regard to spending. This is not about maintenance needs. This is about bloated pay/benefits, and the fact that they are the largest expenditure in their budget, and now they want us to believe it is truly and 'entitlement'? "
concern wrote on Mar 16, 2008 11:38 AM:
" We hear over and over and over again how much this is going to cost us per $100k property value. What we do not hear are the statistics from CRG for example, no anti spending facts. As if there were not any? Administrator number doubling, pay/benfits costs, time periods, proportions, nothing! Kember receives the extremely high 'employee' 11.7% matching contribution to WRS retirement. Then we give him another inexplicable $10.5k for a retirement annuity? At $55.00 his additional $10.5k alone would cover the proposed raise in 190 'working class' homes each year! "
concern wrote on Mar 16, 2008 11:04 AM:
" While we read yet another pro based article instead of some one like CRG statistics and sound bites we brush ever so close to the real truth. "state law has hindered school finances since 1993 by limiting school revenue increases to an average of 2.3 percent annually, while at the same time, another state law requires school boards provide a minimum 3.8 percent salary and benefit package for staff members" We will never return these budgets back to affordable until we throw private sector 'comparables' into the negotiations!!!!! "
the other guy wrote on Mar 16, 2008 11:01 AM:
" let's see: raise taxes, while the economy is declining? spend my hard earned money on things that will never affect me, or anyone in my family? not only will I vote NO, but I will vote HELL NO "
j3rm wrote on Mar 16, 2008 10:58 AM:
" Jerry Burns: quit whining. a school is to be used for education, not showing off the district tax payer's monitary contribution. who cares if the lunch ladys office is small and the library has no natural lighting??? be GLAD that there is lighting at all!
VOTE NO! "
Sad Sally wrote on Mar 16, 2008 9:56 AM:
" jaob2...how much do you pay in property taxes?? I am trying to purchase a new home, I can't even look in LaCrosse due to the property taxes being so high. This school district wastes an unbelievable amount of money, and they will not get one more red cent from me if I can help it...get some from Jim Boyle...he keeps raising the property taxes..what is he doing with all that money?? "
sully wrote on Mar 16, 2008 9:48 AM:
" I watched the video twice. Nothing to look at when you come in the building? So what. Its a school. Paint the lockers and quit whining. When I went to school all we had were coat hooks. Schools are buildings used to educate. They do not need to be trophy's for the school district. How does the board explain the schools that are too far gone to fix end up being used as schools purpose privately at a much lower cost for years after they are closed? "
davidinlse wrote on Mar 16, 2008 9:35 AM:
" Easy, close Hogan, cut administrative staffing by half. Stop the pre-school and all day kindergarden. Let the parents baby sit for thier own kids. Increase class size. BUILD NOTHING. Make a real evaluation, as in independently, of the schools. THEN make a proposal. They seem to have done nothing positive with the increases they recieve yearly. I'm fed up with this nonsense. Look around. All the other schools they closed because of "cost's" are still in use and productive. Fire the entire upper administration and recall the school board. They are ALL incompetent. "
jaob2 wrote on Mar 16, 2008 8:43 AM:
" Yes, enrollment is declining, and the district has made budget cuts every year. Since the school funding laws were passed they’ve cut staff faster than enrollment has dropped. They've put off many building updates for years in order to avoid larger class sizes and more cuts to the education they provide. If the district asked for funding to fix or update everything that consultants suggested the cost would be far higher. They’re asking for funds for the most urgent needs only. It’s expensive, but a huge part of that is replacing heating systems. Boilers are designed to last 30 years, and some are nearly 80 years old.
It’s because enrollment has declined that the plan includes replacing two older schools with one newer one. That eliminates jobs, but it’s the most cost-effective solution.
The referendum is reasonable. VOTE YES! "
Jaxx wrote on Mar 16, 2008 7:36 AM:
" The school district that I live in put up a referendum for new buildings about fifteen years ago. After alot of fighting, it was approved by taxpayers. After the school was built, whispers began in the community that even though the kids were in a brand new building, they were sharing text books because there weren't enough books to go around. I hope that the La Crosse school district voters really take a close look at this referendum. "
dukeboy wrote on Mar 16, 2008 5:59 AM:
" The financial choices facing the school district certainly have many challenges. with a declining enrollement it is difficult to understand why anyone would vote in favor of all thse building improvements. I choke at the thought of spending 1.3 million dollars for "improvements" at Hogan Administrative Center. It would take years of convincing to spend 35 million on "urgent" building needs. "