wiseup wrote on Apr 1, 2008 12:57 PM:
" Why were there no stings at the Pump House, Forest Hills, LaCrosse Center and all the city festivals? ANSWER: The city needs the income from the places IT owns! By exclusively harassing the privately owned businesses out of business, the city's alcohol sales will dramatically increase! "
wiseup wrote on Apr 1, 2008 12:51 PM:
" Irony. The Trib remembers all the old hangouts like Macamba, Surf, Factory, River City Palace, Valentino's, Golden Garter etc. ALL GONE FOREVER! How about an effort to save the remaining places from the wrecking ball and the outrageous efforts of the unelected alcohol commission? Betty's, Wunderbar,Tosa Club, Vibe~ Gone! WHO IS NEXT? Last night there was more unequal harassment of downtown bars with compliance checks with no probable cause or complaint based stings. These were not underage stings, these were simply HARASSMENT! "
D. Ray wrote on Mar 28, 2008 10:00 PM:
" I want some of what wiseup is smoking! "
wiseup wrote on Mar 28, 2008 3:57 PM:
" This is NOT just some fine/income to the city. There are consequences, like the poor students working their way through college ALSO getting a hefty fine. This is about chasing people out of downtown to competing businesses in ONALASKA,HOLMEN, SHELBY~ just about everywhere else but LaCrosse. Ask the Quillin or Zietlow or Skogen family members, that relied on employees, and have to compete with WALMART and WOODMAN'S! Why allocate taxpayer money to bust any business with liquor license while burglars,robbers and vandals hit the same places? Go after the kids and their parents that break the law to protect them from themselves and their own actions! "
wiseup wrote on Mar 28, 2008 2:29 PM:
" Where's Nighthawks, Popcorn, Chapter 2, Bluffside, T.D.'s, Sloopy's, Helm, John's, Animal House, Sam's, Howie's, bowling alleys, marinas, ski hill, Wal-mart, Piggy's, Freighthouse, Wine Guys,Fayze's,etc etc? Before they try the sting on ANYWHERE twice, EVERYWHERE should be hit once. Where's the paperwork? "
wiseup wrote on Mar 28, 2008 2:24 PM:
" When will the TRIB do a complete investigation and get the facts out? It is not just a fine! The business gets points besides the fine and if you get 3 in a year, you go out of business! Tell your employees, customers, accounts payable and the taxpayers that you have been stung right out of business. All in the name of preventing underage drinking and you had nothing to do with the drownings or houseparties! "
AvgHomeOwner wrote on Mar 28, 2008 12:36 PM:
" No real punishment here. Just a $350 tax for being able to serve whoever you want. "
wiseup wrote on Mar 28, 2008 12:17 PM:
" PS, DO you think the underage entrapment team has the right to have the underage person RUN to the restroom and hide while the legal age stinger orders 2 drinks, hoping the busy employee does not catch on? Anyone old enough to vote and die for this country is old enough for alcohol. Do you want to put the Freighthouse, Piggys, Hunan, Rannison Candy store, etc out of business on the basis that they MIGHT have broken the law before? EXACTLY HOW DID THEY CONTRIBUTE TO THE DROWNINGS OR UNDERAGE DRINKING? "
wiseup wrote on Mar 28, 2008 12:13 PM:
" Darwin, I know a citizen who got 2 LEAF LITTERING tickets! His neighbor turned him in and the cops issued tickets and HE was the only one on the block that rakes leaves up. Everyone breaks the law because there are too many stupid laws and if they are not enforced evenly, the judge throws them out! "
Tony wrote on Mar 28, 2008 12:10 PM:
" I wonder who at the 17 businesses are looking for another job? To wiseup: It is the responsibility of the server to ascertain legality of the sale. If my daughter came into a store to buy alcohol and produced her ID which would state 19 years old I would hope they AND she would be caught and fined. I know of no other way to determine compliance with the law than to conduct these checks. As darwin states your definition of entrapment is incorrect. Kudos to the PD and to the stores/taverns that were in compliance. Thank You!! "
Darwin wrote on Mar 28, 2008 12:02 PM:
" Really. What is entrapment? If I am speeding when there is a posted sign, I deserve the ticket. Could there be any laws MORE publicized than underage drinking and underage smoking? Those two laws are posted everywhere those two legal drugs are posted. Yet the dealers fail to comply many times. Are you sore because you were guilty of not following the drinking age law? Entrapment implies that the officers (or their agents) did something that tricked the bartender into doing something they normally wouldn't be doing, or lure them into not following the law. That's hilarious. Follow the law and you don't have a problem. "
whipthehorse wrote on Mar 28, 2008 11:42 AM:
" I'm surprised about Vick's bar not being in compliance....I didn't think anybody under 60 went in there. "
wiseup wrote on Mar 28, 2008 11:27 AM:
" To Darwin, I hope the cops entrap you for speeding, spitting on the sidewalk and jaywalking. IF there is probable cause or complaints that a business is serving minors, then I agree with entrapment teams. MOST of these places are guilty of NOTHING except buying a liquor license and paying brutal taxes! YES, several places were hit more than once and many places have not been hit once! That changes your compliance percentages when frequency is factored in. Unequal enforcement and no paper trail means UNCONSTITUTIONAL and I hope WIS AG takes a long look at these entrapment teams and sets STRICT guidelines. Or let the city get SUED. "
Darwin wrote on Mar 28, 2008 8:00 AM:
" Break the law, pay the price. About time some people realize that's it not illegal unless you get caught. "
shoeymis wrote on Mar 28, 2008 7:02 AM:
" Did they test some places twice?
The Tobacco Outlet on Mormon Coulee road seems to have passed and failed. "
Just Some Dude wrote on Mar 28, 2008 5:29 AM:
" What a relief......it is safe to come out of my house again.
To the local authorities- I thank you, I owe the safety of my life to you. "
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