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Divorce: ‘I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy’


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He met her in 1998 at a party in Houston, Minn. She was in the kitchen, discussing her 35-pound cat.

They talked for hours. He was drawn to her eyes, her smile, the easy way she kept the conversation going.
“We found out that our parents’ names were the same. We were finding out all these coincidences,” said “Scott,” a 40-year-old La Crosse man whose real name is not being used in this story to protect the family’s privacy.

“We thought this had to be a sign.”

He proposed three weeks later under a starry Texas sky. They married in March 1999.

It wasn’t all bliss. Their type-A, type-B personalities didn’t mesh. Neither realized their hectic and opposite schedules would clash, giving them little time together.

“I don’t think we knew each other when we got married,” Scott said. “We didn’t have the tools to communicate well.”

It was her affair with a married man from Scott’s Bible study class that ultimately collapsed the relationship, he said.

“Emotionally we were distant, and it opened up the window for him,” Scott said. “The stars aligned for them.”

The marriage counselor told her she needed to give up the other man. She couldn’t.

“I woke her up at 2 in the morning and said, ‘We make better friends and parents than husband and wife. I have to let you go,’ ” Scott said.

They filed a joint petition to dissolve their marriage in June 2007.

Their divorce was a best-case scenario: Civil, with equal division of assets and custody of their two young sons. Their divorce was granted in November.

“It’s so painful to go through,” Scott said. “I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy.”

End of the road

Sometimes marriage ends long before the “’til death to us part’” clause of the vow takes effect. Last year, 323 La Crosse County couples terminated their marriage. More than 40 couples already have in 2008.

“It’s an incredible, for most people, emotional event, and it’s also an economic negotiation that’s very, very important. And to have those two things happening at once is pretty overwhelming for people, even if they’re the one that wants the divorce,” said Sabina Bosshard, a La Crosse family law attorney.

The only legal basis for divorce in Wisconsin is if the marriage is “irretrievably broken,” which means no chance for reconciliation, according to the State Bar of Wisconsin.

Wisconsin is a no-fault state — neither spouse has to prove the other did something wrong to file for divorce.

The divorce process begins when spouses separately or jointly file a petition. To file in La Crosse County, one spouse must have lived in the state at least six months and in the county at least 30 days.

The initial filing fee is $185 if the couple does not have children, $225 if they do.

A temporary hearing will be set before La Crosse County Family Court Commissioner Gloria Doyle within seven to 10 days on any matters that need to be decided during the divorce process, such as child custody, spousal support and who will live in the house.

Doyle estimated about 50 percent of couples request the hearing.

Wisconsin has a 120-day waiting period before a divorce can be granted.

“The goal during the waiting period is to come up with a marital settlement agreement that would resolve all the issues on a permanent basis,” Doyle said.

The agreement details post-divorce arrangements, including spousal support, asset and property division, and child custody and support, according to the state bar.

If the couple has children, they are required to attend a three-hour class on co-parenting after the divorce.

Children between age 6 and 18 will attend a separate three-hour class to learn more about the divorce process and reassure them they aren’t to blame, Doyle said.

If the marital settlement agreement is reached, a default hearing will be held before Doyle and the divorce finalized.

The length of the process depends on the complexity of the case and how quickly an agreement can be reached, Doyle said.

“It can be 121 days to three years,” she said.

A majority of the divorces filed in La Crosse County are resolved as a default divorce, Doyle said. Once granted, neither spouse can remarry for at least six months.

If spouses fail to reach an agreement, the divorce becomes contested and set for trial in front of one of the county’s five circuit judges.

“It’s not a ruling on can they or can’t they get divorced. It’s they’re going to get divorced, but they can’t agree on division of property, or maintenance, or child support or child placement, or all of them,” Doyle said.

Disputes most often revolve around money, including property, debt, spousal support and allocation of assets, said La Crosse County Circuit Judge Dale Pasell.

The trials can last 30 minutes to several days, depending on the complexity of the case and the number of issues, he said.

The number of contested divorces, Pasell said, is a “distinct minority” of the total number finalized. Spouses, too, often are able to work out an agreement as the trial date approaches, he said.

“I think it’s for the better that people work out a lot of these issues among themselves because, generally speaking, if they come to court and they have to have a judge resolve them, no one leaves happy,” Pasell said. “People are generally far happier if they resolve the issues themselves.”

GLOSSARY

DIVORCE: The legal termination of a marriage.

LEGAL SEPARATION: A legal separation is granted when the marriage relationship is broken. Spouses who reconcile after a separation can apply to have the separation revoked.

ANNULMENT: An annulment dissolves a marriage that was invalid from the beginning, for such reasons as a spouse was too young, or induced to marry by fraud or force.

SOURCE: State Bar of Wisconsin

Legal separation

A legal separation does not end a marriage, but spouses are separated and cannot remarry.

Spouses most frequently opt for a legal separation when they have religious objections to a divorce, Doyle said.

The steps for legal separations mirror those for a divorce and includes division of property, assets and child custody, she said.

Spouses in a legal separation are free to reconcile, or the action can convert to a divorce at any time if both agree, or a year after the date the separation was granted if one spouse wants the divorce.

Doyle said she finalizes about five legal separations annually.

“It’s fairly common for someone to start it as a legal separation and then one or the other spouse converts it to a divorce during the dependency of the action,” she said.

Representation

Court officials and lawyers recommend spouses hire an attorney for divorces, especially if it is contested.

“The law is a set of rules, and it’s just like any board game or home improvement project. If you don’t know the rules and if you don’t like to read the directions, you’re not going to be able to get through the process on your own,” Doyle said.

Attorneys also have a special kind of expertise that can help spouses navigate the court system, Doyle said.

“Someone who is experienced in advocating positions and who understands the nuances of the law will have a greater likelihood of succeeding in obtaining the results they want than someone who has no experiences in that,” Bosshard said.

Representation isn’t cheap. Attorney fees can range from $2,000 to $100,000, depending on the complexity of the case, Bosshard said.

Bosshard recommends most involved in divorce proceedings at least consult with an attorney and decide later if they want to hire counsel based on the issues of the divorce and complexity of the case.

A spouse proceeding without counsel at least should have an attorney look over the marital settlement agreement as a precaution. A short consultation with an attorney could cost between $100 and $250, Bosshard said.

“The cost is very small compared to the consequences if you fail to do that,” she said. “We often get people who do their own divorces and then they come back a year or two later and they regret it.”

For a guide to self-representation in divorce and separation proceedings, click here.

Recovery program promises help

Second Chapter wants to help those who go through divorce recover and rebuild.

The community-based Christian divorce support program guides former spouses through such areas as how to handle the intense emotions of a divorce, identifying what went wrong in the marriage and post-divorce parenting.

“But more than that, it offers participants the tools to get through many of the most difficult issues of divorce,” said program director Sandy Fancher.

The 14-week program is open to anyone struggling with divorce or separation.

The 2½-hour weekly sessions follows chapters from “The Complete Divorce Recovery Handbook” by the Rev. John Splinter, followed by small group discussions with trained facilitators. The discussions are confidential, Fancher said.

“We have hearts that help those in need,” she said.

Sessions also can feature guest speakers, such as therapists and mediators.

Participants still can join the session that began in mid-March. The next full session will start in early October.

The program costs $50, including materials.

Scholarships are available. For more information on Second Chapter, call (608) 386-6962 or visit www.secondchapter.com.

Program alumni are eligible to join a social group that meets on the first and third Fridays of each month.

Anne Jungen can be reached at (608) 791-8224 or ajungen@lacrossetribune.com.
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Eddie wrote on Apr 1, 2008 6:47 AM:

" Fred, thanks for following up on the question. The study that you're citing gives a valid argument regarding cohabitation and marriage. The dynamics of marriage and the expectations people face regarding their pre-marital relationships are truly complex. I still stand by my claim about co-habitation, but I do know that there is no "perfect way" to guarantee a successful marriage. All of our relationships are unique, and it's up to us to find our own "best way". "

wisconsingal wrote on Mar 31, 2008 12:51 PM:

" Old_Fogey; infidelity hurts no matter what type of relationship you are in, it shatters trust and pretty much destroys the relationship. My ex and I DID live together for 4 years before getting married and most of the married life was the same as living together unmarried; happy. When you take a vow of marriage I think that it is just that much more painful when it ends...I truely was shattered after living as Mrs. ______ for so long, I had to start over for myself and my children. "

Fred wrote on Mar 31, 2008 11:48 AM:

" Eddie, the study I referred to previously suggests that people who live together without benefit of marriage tend to have less of a sense of commitment than people who marry and then live together. This lower level of psychological commitment may account for the higher divorce and separation rate even when these couples eventually decide to tie the knot. "

PackAttack2020 wrote on Mar 31, 2008 7:25 AM:

" Eddie, really, you want to hang your hat on Disraili? Here is some information you may have missed: "…there can be no doubt that the affair [figurative usage] damaged Disraeli and that it made its contribution, along with many other episodes, to the understandable aura of distrust which hung around his name for so many years."[45]". Statistics don't lie, but sometimes people do, Eddie. Here is another interesting definition: "Inflected Form(s): plural eddies 1 a: a current of water or air running contrary to the main current"...sounds like you...just going against whatever is presented as logical.
"

Eddie wrote on Mar 31, 2008 12:10 AM:

" Fred, thanks for that info. I am, however, unsure of what you mean by the "values" of those cohabiting. That word means different things to different people. Could you please specify what you mean? "

fred wrote on Mar 30, 2008 10:46 PM:

" Psychology Today reported the findings of Yale University sociologist Neil Bennett that cohabiting women were 80% more likely to separate or divorce than were women who had not lived with their spouses before marriage. The National Survey of Families and Households indicates that unions begun by cohabitation are almost twice as likely to dissolve within 10 years compared to all first marriages: 57% to 30%. Thus, Old_Fogey is correct. However, various studies go on to say that there is no evidence that living together before marriage is the cause of more frequent break-ups. The values of couples who live together before marriage are thought to be the key. "

catmom wrote on Mar 30, 2008 9:00 PM:

" Ok, here it goes:if you aren't happy,or especially if he hurts you GET AWAY FROM HIM/HER. "

Sully wrote on Mar 30, 2008 3:14 PM:

" No Fault Divorce is a shame. We should go back to the old way where you need a reason and proof before you can break up your family. The way it is now either party can change their mind and break the deal. Good system. Guy gets married wife decides she wants to move out of state to follow her mom. Marriage over. She gets half his stuff, he is on the hook for child support for kids he can only afford to see twice a year. All because she changes her mind. A real great system. Divorce is granted even though he does not want a divorce. "

antieverything wrote on Mar 30, 2008 3:13 PM:

" Haitian Divorce... I Divorce Thee... Done!
There must be something in the water in Houston... "

Eddie wrote on Mar 30, 2008 2:03 PM:

" Old Fogey, your suspicions about me are incorrect. I have no religious or anti-religious agenda either. My argument is based on simple common sense. Which potential spouses would have a better chance of living together for a long time: those who have never lived together, or those who have lived together for several years? Which couple is better prepared to spend a lifetime together? Those statistics that you cite could have many different causes. I agree with you about the pain. Married couples and co-habiting couples are still hurt just as much by divorce. I just wish that couples would not rush into marriage like they are doing these days. I think we can agree on that as well. "

Old_Fogey wrote on Mar 30, 2008 1:31 PM:

" Google it, Eddie. That is easily done. Ignore the "church pages" too. I did. I am not a religious person, nor am I stating my facts to defend some religion. Seems the divorce rate among those who live together before marriage is as much as 85%, while the divorce rate of the general population is around 50%. I suspect your thoughts on cohabitation are used only to justify your lifestyle. In addition to that, is it any less painful when a couple who has only lived together decides to seperate? That doesn't count as a stastic, but it is no doubt just as painful. "

Eddie wrote on Mar 30, 2008 12:19 PM:

" Old Fogey, to what "statistics" are you referring? If you're implying that living together before marriage is a direct cause of divorce, then you're sadly mistaken. I wonder if you're aware of Benjamin Disraeli's famous quote: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." "

ENTRMA wrote on Mar 30, 2008 12:14 PM:

" After having gone thru a situation somewhat similar to that in this article it is easy to understand the actions and fallout involved. His exspouse wanted the security of Marriage and also the constant "STROKING" being received from her new "SOULMATE." This situation is a loser for all of the involved parties and sadly Divorce the only solution. Most Divorcies involve very negative financial consequenses which take years to overcome. The emotional healing also is a lifetime process. "

Eddie wrote on Mar 30, 2008 12:11 PM:

" nana3, I agree with you that many spouses can and do act differently after they get married. Both men and women reveal more of their "true selves", for some strange reason. All I'm trying to say is that living together before marrying greatly helps couples stay together, because they know (for the most part) what it's like to be with each other 24/7. "

ENTRMA wrote on Mar 30, 2008 11:32 AM:

" I concur that this is a devestating process, not one to be wished on your worst enemy. Afterwards is very difficult, the lonliness is overwhelming at times. The negative fallout effects all families involved, usually for life. It is very difficult to meet the right person again, all of the people on Match.Com etc. are beatup and have suffered a loss. Once you meet someone with some degree of compatibilty there is a big learning curve involved for both parties. As each day passes the process is further behind you and hopefully you are a day further ahead. "

audifan08 wrote on Mar 30, 2008 11:26 AM:

" The apostate (divorced) woman is to be thrown in prison until she returns to Islam or dies, being whipped thirty-nine times every day -- which is nothing less than death; uninterrupted whipping inevitably leads to death. She must be imprisoned, because she, after being a Muslim, did not give Allah the rights due him; so she must be obliged to pay back these rights by being imprisoned. Moral of the story...don't vote for Obama. "

dktrmat wrote on Mar 30, 2008 11:08 AM:

" "You never really know a woman until you meet her in court"
- Anonymous
"

Old_Fogey wrote on Mar 30, 2008 11:05 AM:

" wisconsingal: If you had lived together with him and had those kids, would it have been any different? Would his infidelity have been any different with regard to your relationship? Would you have been more trusting the second time around? I am willing to bet the outcome would have been the same - married or not. "

Sully wrote on Mar 30, 2008 10:27 AM:

" Why do women continue to equate themselves with cows? Seems demeaning. "

wisconsingal wrote on Mar 30, 2008 10:19 AM:

" I think marriage is overrated. I did it once, was with my ex for 15 years, married for 10, it ended because of his infidelity. Once is enough for me. The end of a marriage (especially with kids involved) is devastating and often times prevents somebody from trusting another person enough to love again (speaking from experience). Saddest part about my divorce, I lost my best friend. "

Old_Fogey wrote on Mar 30, 2008 9:56 AM:

" Sorry eddie, but the statistics show that those who live together before getting married are more likely to get divorced than those who do not. "

nana3 wrote on Mar 30, 2008 9:44 AM:

" re:eddie, No one ever shows their true self until after marriage, even if you live together you still don't know what the other is capable of or not capable of. Don't most men still go by the theory "Why buy the cow when you get the milk free"? "

nana3 wrote on Mar 30, 2008 9:40 AM:

" I have been divorced for over 13 years and Sabina was my attorney, I had to pay $1000 up front and $2500 when the divorce was granted. My ex and I didn't have much to fight over, and our income wasn't very much, I think between the 2 attorneys they were paid more than our total assets... "

Eddie wrote on Mar 30, 2008 9:34 AM:

" The best way to ensure a long and happy marriage is to LIVE TOGETHER for a few years. Yes, boys and girls, I said LIVE TOGETHER. If two people are really committed to making their relationship a lifetime one, then logic demands that they live together to see if they are compatible. Waiting until after marriage to move in together is not good enough. You never really know what your spouse is truly like until you actually live with him/her. We all have those subtle (and not-so-subtle) annoyances and nasty habits that can make living together difficult. If spouses don't work them out first, then their marriage will have a lower chance of success. "

fishnuts2 wrote on Mar 30, 2008 8:35 AM:

" Otis:
Your comments should be the headline for the article. "

otis wrote on Mar 30, 2008 8:27 AM:

" Sabina or anyone associated with Bosshard Parke use divorce as their cash cow. They are the absolute most biggest thieves using children, the court, and anything else they can think of to keep divorces antagonistic and ugly. "

ryeguy wrote on Mar 30, 2008 8:08 AM:

" Does Scott still go to the bible study group? "

Eddie wrote on Mar 30, 2008 7:38 AM:

" "It was her affair with a married man from Scott’s Bible study class that ultimately collapsed the relationship, Scott said."

Now THAT is irony at its best...and it's hilarious, too!! "


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