wiseup wrote on May 7, 2008 8:28 PM:
" Bloggers prove my point. Every time someone tells someone else how to live~ the other person resents the power trip and will do exactly the opposite! Tried PROHIBITION and it FAILED! "
wingnut wrote on May 3, 2008 2:54 PM:
" Relax - you are right,I am a nobody.
(in the sense of no ego to defend)
Keep up the good work,
Wingnut "
ckw91977 wrote on May 3, 2008 2:50 PM:
" AS IF LACROSSE DOESN'T ALREADY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH BEING DRUNK!!!!
MAKING IT LEGAL IS AS SMART AS ALLOWING 8 YEAR OLDS HAVE SEX AND GET MARRIED... WHY ARE THEY NOT ALLOWED... THEY ARE STILL CHILDREN!!!
GROW UP WISCONSIN... THEN BE RESPONSABLE!!
"
Im Still Jackson wrote on May 3, 2008 1:02 PM:
" Wingnut. Im from LaCrosse born and raised there and have a home there as well as family and children and grandchildren and many many many friends and associates. I pay taxes there as well, so i think i will post where ever I want and if you have a problem with it to bad.If you dont like what I have to say no problem its a public blog dont read it or disagree but that doesnt give you the right to tell me what to do. Who do you think you are? I will tell you ((((((((((((NOBODY)))))))))))! "
wingnut wrote on May 3, 2008 10:00 AM:
" Action Jackson, if this is such a black hole then maybe your should not waste so much time posting here.
Maybe you are just trying to enlighten us with your brilliant wisdom? Do us all a favor and post on your local NC rag, show them what REAL life is about. Your a joke.
"
Im Still Jackson wrote on May 3, 2008 7:43 AM:
" Wingnut: thanks for your concern but actually you have no idea how active I am. Its called a lap top capable of being used anywhere with satelite hook up.As for outdoors that cold wet WI mentality your oozing onto me wont work simply because Im in NC and already have a sunburn from the beach.I spend plenty of time out doors and on the road too so I get a very diversified view of REAL life outside the BIG BLACK HOLE of LaCrosse. "
NAVY VET wrote on May 3, 2008 7:39 AM:
" This is such a non-issue. I am a vet and a military spouse. When troops are training, the are generally banned from purchasing/consuming alcoholic beverages on or off post anyways. They need to concentrate on the mission at hand. Most don't even make an issue over this because it's just the status quo. "
bootsie072 wrote on May 2, 2008 9:12 PM:
" I tell you what, if a kid of 18, 19 years old can go fight for me to go to work, live my life and raise a family and protect my freedoms, then that "kid" can sit next to me, drink a beer and have a good time. God Bless our troops. If they can go fight for you and I to have this right to bicker back and forth on the internet, I think they should be allowed to drink alcohol. "
wingnut wrote on May 2, 2008 8:57 PM:
" Jackson, lighten up. Your justifications about diabetes sounds just plain boonkers. I forgot that military personel are inherantly immune to drunken driving.
By the way, I have noticed that you spend your whole life on this forum.
Why not get outdoors sometime and see what thats like. "
wiseup wrote on May 2, 2008 8:12 PM:
" We have tried all the Kondrackian ways of crack the whip on the sellers of liquids, especially downtown, all in the name of preventing underage and binge drinking. What has it accomplished? Are the underage still drinking at their parties? YES and some still drinking too much? YES Could another one drown? YES Is alcohol glorified to teen rebels? YES! HOW ABOUT A NEW APPROACH? "
Im Still Jackson wrote on May 2, 2008 7:40 PM:
" The day will come when diabetic car accidents out number drunk drivers and cell phone accidents will be killing more people than the prior 2 combined.Thats without the brain tumor data which is actually quite scarry too!
Nobodys safe its an illusion people, life is dangerous, GO LIVE IT! Death is part of it whether it be sooner or later.Get over it! "
Im Still Jackson wrote on May 2, 2008 7:35 PM:
" Its amazing that they say alcohol is a gateway drug so then what is caffiene,ritalin, concerta, redbull,stacker 2, rockstar ect to kids the gateway to cocaine crack and meth but dont let them drink alcohol until they are 21.
The diabetes epidemic in this country from condensed refined High fructose corn syrup(Given from birth) is gonna kill alot more people alot quicker than alcohol ever will.
Stupid people ARGH!
"
Im Still Jackson wrote on May 2, 2008 7:26 PM:
" Wingnut: You are so off topic Its about lowering the drinking age for military personel. Its not like they will be driving military vehicles to the bars for im sure thats what your envisioning. If they drive drunk they get a ticket and thats a whole different subject. GOOD GREIF people I can find more intelectual conversation on the subject in a bar full of drinking people then the gooders and the nayers here who dont realize their rightousness is destroying their civil liberties of freedom to choose. "
wingnut wrote on May 2, 2008 5:04 PM:
" Sounds like we are going for the prize in drunken driving accidents, yeah, sounds good. "
bb wrote on May 2, 2008 4:45 PM:
" Good idea, if you can take a bullet, you should be able to have a shot. "
let it be said wrote on May 2, 2008 3:38 PM:
" lesdent is correct, probably the most solid statement of the day right there!
mk, you are a narrow minded, ignorant, assuming idiot. No, I am not a drunken pothead, I am a free thinking individual that sees too many rules and regulations HURTING our society. You being so righteous and overbearing, as well as assuming, are destroying this nation.
Yeah, putting more rules in place has surely created a better place. I will say again: Education at an early age, respect at an early age, are the only ways to combat abuse. Continuing to take something away and giving it to them when they are "really adults" is simply ridiculous! "
lesdent wrote on May 2, 2008 3:21 PM:
" all you people P.A.M. way to much "
Girl66 wrote on May 2, 2008 2:58 PM:
" Race can be anything under the sun, its all in how you categorize it not just the color of someone's skin.
By saying people with disabilities cope by drinking is a racist statement against anyone with a disability. I do understand sarcasim. However, lets keep the blog on the site talking about the situation at hand which is lowering the drinking age and stop slamming others by their beliefs. Which happen to NOT be your beliefs. "
PicklesPlease wrote on May 2, 2008 2:30 PM:
" girl66, glad to see you've "educated" yourself since you still think race is a psychological disposition. You sure have proven you're smarter than pickles, well maybe just smarter than dean :) "
mk wrote on May 2, 2008 2:12 PM:
" Girl 66 you really need to go back to school and learn something. My comments had nothing to do with race. I was informing another writer how dumb their philosophy was. He/she believe that by lowering the drinking age and giving alcohol to our soldiers between the ages of 18-21 is a good replacement for proper medicine and treatment. I responded sarcastically by saying yeah what a great idea lets increase their problems by making them alcoholics. How exactly is that racist? Do you know what it means to be sarcastic? Has the beer you're drinking already given you a buzz? "
mk wrote on May 2, 2008 2:06 PM:
" Your God is obviously Beer and Pot. "
Girl66 wrote on May 2, 2008 2:05 PM:
" 1. tribe, clan, family, stock, line, breed. Race, people, nation are terms for a large body of persons who may be thought of as a unit because of common characteristics.
Hello?It was a racist statement "pickles" and MK. Hey, BTW Pickles I read your comments to stories and they usually are unnecessary and rude. So, your up to par today. Why don't you find something better to do or is this the only gratification you get because your obviously very bitter about something, maybe it's your personality. "
mk wrote on May 2, 2008 2:04 PM:
" Let it be Said-your commentary couldn't do any more to prove my point. Your words prove that you are a drug consuming drunk with a post that has no bearing on the issue at hand. Should Wisconsin lower the drinking age? I'm assuming your answer would be yes to that question however you wasted your time telling us that your a drunken moron who doesn't believe in God. "
let it be said wrote on May 2, 2008 1:53 PM:
" HEY, mk, you said: "Is drinking alcohol a God-given right"
Well, there is NO GOD.
And if there were, he'd had grown the barley, hops, yeast, sugar, and flowed the waters to make it so...so yes; it is a god given right to consume alcohol! As well as smoke weed (but that's another subject).
Besides, the monks make the best beer anyway, so I believe they have a closer relationship with god. Go ask one of them! "
mk wrote on May 2, 2008 1:41 PM:
" Girl 666 I was responding to another blogger who wrote that alcohol should be given to returning soldiers who lack proper medical attention when they come back. I was being sarcastic. Of course I think the idea is stupid. His solution is to permit soldiers to ease away their pain by consuming alcohol. I said that that was dumb. It makes no sense to create alcoholics who are trying to deal with physical and emotional trauma. And yes look up the definition of racism before you claim someone made a racist comment. "
mk wrote on May 2, 2008 1:36 PM:
" Never had a drinking problem and never will have a drinking problem. I rarely drink and for one can't stand the taste of beer. Anyway some of you need to think before you write. If Wisconsin lowers its drinking age to 18 we will lose millions of dollars in federal funding toward our transportation department. That is a fact. States who don't comply with the 21 law lose federal funding for their transportation department. What does that mean? Well for one higher license and plate renewal fees, in all likelihood an increase to the gas tax, and probably an increase to state income and property taxes. If this passes don't whine and complain when more of your pay check goes to the state in form of taxes, and the remaining money you have left goes to fill your vehicle. "
PicklesPlease wrote on May 2, 2008 1:30 PM:
" girl66: look up the word race then come back and make a comment...don't worry we'll wait. "
girl66 wrote on May 2, 2008 1:15 PM:
" MK you obviously have or have had an alcohol problem in your life, you or someone you love. I believe it is any Red Blooded Adult American's right to decide for themselves if they want to take a drink or not. It is not up to YOU to enforce YOUR beliefs upon everyone else. Who are YOU to decide who mature enough to have a drink? What do you mean by people with physical/psycological problems cope by drinking? That's a racist statement. "
ACE wrote on May 2, 2008 12:03 PM:
" Ah, D.A.M.M stands for Drinkers Against Mad Mothers and does not support "drunken driving" but merely realizes that accidents happen and drinking/driving happens alot regardless of B.A.C. We need to get the laws and drinking age back to what it was in the sixties and early seventies. "
wiseup wrote on May 2, 2008 11:57 AM:
" I read more egocentrical posts regarding certain people that want to impose THEIR will on everybody else. Whether its adults 18-21 that choose to drink, non-smokers treatment of their fellow citizens, erosion of owner's property rights by their neighbors and Larry, removal of symbols because of a few whiners, attacts of religion and marriage, all by small groups of idiots with the NEED TO CONTROL OTHERS! PLEASE STOP TRYING TO CHANGE OUR CULTURE WITHOUT OUR PERMISSION! "
seriously now wrote on May 2, 2008 11:48 AM:
" Just what we need...a bill that will put more drunks in Wisconsin.
And those D.A.M.M. jokes are not funny to those with family and friends killed or maimed by drunk drivers. "Aww....he wuz jus' drinkin." "
Moderate Republican wrote on May 2, 2008 11:35 AM:
" Do as the Europeans do. Lower the drinking age to 16, teach them the power that alcohol has and to respect it. Then raise the driving age to 18. First teach them to drink, then teach them to drive. "
PicklesPlease wrote on May 2, 2008 10:59 AM:
" It doesn't matter if they are in high school or not. The bill allows drinking in bars, not purchasing liquor from stores. Not that drinking is a good thing, but the nation has to decide what is an adult and what is not. Why should it be legal to procreate but not have a beer with one's buddies? SOmething is greatly amiss here.
"
rocket wrote on May 2, 2008 10:48 AM:
" I can't support lowering the drinking age to 18. Even though I realize kids in high school have access to alcohol, I think you are opening up a very dangerous can of worms by legally allowing a huge population of high school kids to drink. I would definitely support 19- allowing freshmen in college and older to drink "
theblob wrote on May 2, 2008 10:47 AM:
" If this bill is approved, what happens to the LOSS OF MILLIONS of FEDERAL tax dollars, is Musser going to RAISE STATE taxes in order to cover it. Yeah Musser, I'm "thinking at home" that you must have 'received' money/favors from the state tavern league/alcohol lobbists in Madison, since you repeatedly try to waste lawmakers time with this. Any underage military people I know have no problem with not drinking, overseas they can if they want. "
Billy DEEEE wrote on May 2, 2008 10:36 AM:
" Ive seen plenty of military kids come back to this area after being in Iraq, all pumped up and ready to fight anyone that speaks against that war. Put them legally in bars with that attitude and see how busy the La Crosse police are on saturday nights. If a law would be passed, then make it so they receive a dishonorable discharge if they are thrown in the local jail or fined by police. Also discharge if they supply to minors . After all, kids caught drinking in high school are kicked off sports teams. "
Im Still Jackson wrote on May 2, 2008 10:18 AM:
" And an end to a friutless war on drugs AMEN!
They Lost which was indended but they took your civil liberties much like a corporate raider steals the pension funds and other valuable assests. 2000 years of curses against Bush's family could not undo the evil his administration and family legacy in politics have done to this country. Whats the saying? Like father Like son!Screw our white man law and granny get your guns!Its comming! 1st the fuel prices, then the famine, then the panic then it gets real UGLY! You will need drinking 18 yr olds in the military to face the evil thats comming and what they must do to the people at home who dont sit down and say yes! "
Im Still Jackson wrote on May 2, 2008 10:09 AM:
" Like lambs to the slaughter joining the military so they can drink alcohol. Silly Kids.
I say lower the age back to 18 for all. learning about life at that age is hard enough without having to look over your shoulder while sober. Life will do more to a person than drugs or alcohol ever could.Good and BAD!
get over it and since the govt is broke and the road funds have dwindled and will dwindle even more with all the bridge replacements that bargaining chip is no longer a holdout for states to conform to the 21 law. Lets legalize pot too tax it put the farmers to work and put an end to the narcotics trade. "
Really wrote on May 2, 2008 9:57 AM:
" Senior- Your last post was foolish. Dying in war, and drinking at home? Connect the two will you. You are right, I was safe, I was an Air Traffic Controller, and I was with my C-130s. What does that have to do with drinking at home? The overwhelming carnage statistics for young people are still there, even after your nonsensical rant. Is booze that important? "
Kay wrote on May 2, 2008 9:50 AM:
" Wow, what a great plan to boost our military numbers! I can see lots of young people enlisting just to get that military ID card so they can drink legally... "
mk wrote on May 2, 2008 9:17 AM:
" We just can't enough alcohol in this state. As soon as the drinking age gets lowered to 18 there will be some of you demanding it gets lowered to 16. There is no end to this debate. I don't know why so many of us can't embrace patience and sobriety in this state. "
mk wrote on May 2, 2008 9:14 AM:
" Explain how a drinking age of 21 is unethical? Is drinking alcohol a God-given right? "
mk wrote on May 2, 2008 9:11 AM:
" Is the last sentence you wrote Andy K sarcasm, I sure hope so. "
Girl66 wrote on May 2, 2008 9:10 AM:
" Lower the drinking age. Enough said. I grew up when the drinking age was 18. If your an adult in every other aspect in life, why not be able to drink. You can enter into the service, you can get a loan, you can buy a car, your held accountable for your actions. Why can't you have a beer? Drinking age of 21 is not ethical. Have stricter guidlines for under 21 sect. if found breaking the laws. Oh, that's right big brother needs to control everyone. "
mk wrote on May 2, 2008 9:08 AM:
" Lets treat physical and psychological problems with a little bit of alcoholism. "
mk wrote on May 2, 2008 9:07 AM:
" Yeah because booze is the answer for these problems! "
mk wrote on May 2, 2008 9:05 AM:
" Senior Advocate-and your comments don't border on being sanctimonious and know it all. "
andy k wrote on May 2, 2008 8:57 AM:
" Linving in a war zone for more than a year can be hazardous to your mental health. The latest statistics show that 1/3 of returning vets will have suffered some sort of brain trauma or some psychological injury (like PTSD)during their service in Iraq and Afghanistan. That's about 300,000 vets and counting. With the government denying them benefits, they should be allowed to substitute booze for the medical treatment they're not going to get. In addition, they should get a free pass for any act committed while under the influence. "
Mack wrote on May 2, 2008 8:35 AM:
" We like young men in the military because their minds are still like putty, they make good lemmings and fodder. And it's better if they are sober, so you can keep your drunks. The free thinkers just get in the way. "
Senior Advocate wrote on May 2, 2008 8:34 AM:
" You make me sick" Really" I'm a vet also and sick and tired of people like you who are OK with our young dying in war, maimed for life etc. but yet dont't you dare serve them alcohol.
My God Oh no not alcohol. They are old enough for our country to send them to be butcherd they deserve more rights than any other young person. Who made you so self rightious and supreme, being in Nam, unless you had a cushy desk job you of all people should understand. Santimonious self serving know it all attitudes are demeening not only to you but soldiers. "
mac wrote on May 2, 2008 8:28 AM:
" Yesterdays comments weren't deleted, that was a different article: http://www.lacrossetribune.com/articles/2008/05/01/newsupdate/08musser.txt
This is an updated article for Friday. You can read my comments there... "
biker b!tch wrote on May 2, 2008 8:27 AM:
" When the drinking age is lowered, the laws for DWI should become more severe for people under 21. To some people, the first ticket feels like a slap on the wrist. No jail time, we don't need to fill up the jails more. Maybe jail time when caught. 2 days. The consequences for driving over the legal limit need to be frightening to these young people. "
Really wrote on May 2, 2008 8:22 AM:
" After serving during Vietnam we used to drive to Hudson from Mpls in huge numbers to 'drink' and then drove home drunk as young people. You cannot argue with the statistics of carnage coupled with young people. They are there to view. "
red wrote on May 2, 2008 8:21 AM:
" There should be ONE age for adulthood. When you reach that age you get all the responsibilities and all the rights of an adult. If someone isn't responsible enough to have a beer how can they be responsible enough to decide join the army or get a tattoo, both have life long consequences and drinking a beer doesn't! It doesn't make sense! Also, if you are younger than that age, you shouldn't be tried in adult court... You can't have it both ways... "
Really wrote on May 2, 2008 8:19 AM:
" This is most certainly not the first time soldiers have come home and cannot drink. Too bad! Returning to age 21 drinking age has saved many lives. We are acquiescing to the booze business. "
Double A wrote on May 2, 2008 8:19 AM:
" Lowering the drinking age to 19 makes sense to me. But just for military? That's not right. Across the board or not at all. "
mk wrote on May 2, 2008 8:14 AM:
" Once again what does serving in the military have to do with drinking alcohol? Does having this right at age 18 make you more of a man or a woman? Have any of you worked in a high school and seen just how immature 18 year olds are? Yes I know joining the military takes the immaturity out of most soldiers, however what is the harm in waiting until you're 21? As someone posted yesterday the lowering of our states drinking age may take federal funding away from our transportation department. Does raising taxes so as to enable 18-21 year old soldiers the right to drink legally make any sense? "
let it be said wrote on May 2, 2008 8:11 AM:
" Once again, comments deleted! Pathetic!
And as far as drinking on base, unless they've changed that reg in the last 20 years YOU CAN'T DRINK ON BASES in the U.S.
And to say that when people hit their 30's & 40's they'll see this as a meaningless debate, speak for yourself. I'm pushing the higher end of that scale and I think it's still an important issue. If my earlier posts weren't deleted you'd be able to see that EDUCATION and RESPECT are key in this age issue. In otherwords, TEACH them to RESPECT it at an early age and they are less likely to abuse at a later.
If the Delete Nazis hadn't gone berzerk last night you'd been able to read that! "
CJ wrote on May 2, 2008 8:10 AM:
" Show me at McCoys which is a club at Fort McCoy any soldier under 21 drinking and they'll be off to a fine if caught. "
Old_Fogey wrote on May 2, 2008 8:01 AM:
" just the facts: They can? Do you have the latest facts? I try to stay abreast of military issues, and the last I heard, they cannot drink on base. At least not on a base within the United States. This is a recent change, in fact.
"
biker b!tch wrote on May 2, 2008 7:56 AM:
" Lowering the drinking age has been debated often. Perhaps the age for military service should be raised. Whatever the drinking age is, it should be the same as military. Now, at 18, they fight for your freedom. We need to fight for their right to enjoy a beer legally. I also feel that the lower legal drinking should not be just military members, but for all. "
just the facts wrote on May 2, 2008 7:54 AM:
" What a wonderful idea! A whole new market for the fake I.D., industry. These young men, CAN, drink on base. Thats all we need is for them to wander off and get in more trouble! Musser, quit pandering an get to work! "
totbom wrote on May 2, 2008 7:26 AM:
" I don't care if they lower the drinking age. But when the 18-21 year olds are in their 30's and 40's they'll look back and realize how unimportant this debate is. "
The Real Paladin wrote on May 2, 2008 5:53 AM:
" I'm a charter member of DAMM...Drunks Against Mad Mothers. I fully support lowering the drinking age back to 18. Most of us my age and older survived an 18 year old drinking age. "
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