DJ: wrote on May 11, 2008 9:09 PM:
" Another example of incompetent bloodsucking politicians at local, state and federal levels. We pay taxes for them to provide certain services and now thru their inefficient budgeting of our tax monies, they want to double bill us. Screw 'em. Quit electing boobs who happen to live next door and think before you go into the voting booth. "
justfillinin2 wrote on May 11, 2008 5:51 PM:
" One department fire chief I know from a neighboring department does not issue burning permits, but if you light it and it gets out of control, you will get a bill, vehicle accidents/fires are free, but structure fire bills go to the insurance companies. This program has worked for them for 30+ years, however our department doesn't charge. "
2Hoots wrote on May 11, 2008 2:38 PM:
" If there were no bills, the taxpayer is paying. If the municipality raises taxes to meet with the increasing costs of providing a service, the taxpayer is getting screwed. Just reviewing a few of the calls over the last 3 year period, I'd have to say that for most of the accidents we responded to, most (nearly all) were for people that were travelling through our area. Who should pay? Me the taxpayer? NOT! I agree that billing for calls brings up a lot of additional questions and 'what-ifs', but taxpayers should not be expected to foot the bill for all of the calls the FD responds to. Of the calls we went on for our taxpayers, many also still send us a donation even after they get a bill - and to my knowledge, no one has not called 911 because they couldn't afford it. "
HonestAbe wrote on May 11, 2008 2:17 PM:
" I don't care what analogies you throw at it, or how you try to spin it, it's a bad practice.
Of course your citizens are going to shrug and pay it if its enacted without a vote, what choice do they have.
As well, I bet when you send a bill, you don't say, oh, by the way, this is optional, only if your insurance covers it, if you don't have insurance, don't worry about it. betcha
Where is your dept? "
HonestAbe wrote on May 11, 2008 2:15 PM:
" marriage license is not covered in a tax bill that I've ever seen
It's listed as 'emergency services', not 'building to house emergency services'
double dipping plain and simple if you have to pay twice.
It's like going to culvers, ordering your food, paying, then when they bring it to the table, you have to pay AGAIN for the cup & paper that covers the food, and the washing of the table afterwards. No, you pay once, and everything falls under that payment. "
2Hoots wrote on May 11, 2008 1:07 PM:
" How is getting billed any different than paying for services already provided by the municipality where I live. If I go to the county courthouse and get a marriage license, I have to pay. Don't my taxes already contribute to having this county office? So why am I charged $80 for a piece of paper that I already paid for with my taxes. Am I not paying for the paper and it's processing twice? No, my taxes paid for the position/office to exist. When I actually need the service, I pay for the services I recieve. "
HonestAbe wrote on May 11, 2008 12:51 PM:
" 2Hoots, well, that's fine, so long as it isn't charged to a taxpaying resident I guess.
Otherwise, it would be double dipping and the wrong practice.
If local homeowners would be getting charged, that's just wrong, as they pay the taxes, so, to get your money you would go to the city. Otherwise, take the 'emergency services' out of the tax bill. (if there is a charge per call to a local resident) "
2Hoots wrote on May 11, 2008 12:30 PM:
" 3) For years, the fire departments have been the most underfunded portions of our local governments. Some municipalities pay more for their parks and ballfields than they contribute to their fire departments. "Just send out a mailer, have a bake sale, or some other fundraiser". WHY???? Does the highway department have a bake sale to buy a new road grader? NO! Who would go? Emergency services have fundraisers because people will contribute. (WE THANK THOSE THAT DO CONTRIBUTE). Always have and always will. Newsflash: Our donations, contributions, and even memorials are getting less and less every year. Have another bake sale? Do you realize how many hours volunteers put in for one bake sale just to keep expenses down?
Bill the $500, continue to hold fundraisers, and keep plugging along...
Thank your volunteer fire departments! "
2Hoots wrote on May 11, 2008 12:22 PM:
" 2) Who pays the FD for emergency responses to a church, school, or similar entity that does not pay taxes? We as taxpayers pick up the slack. Who pays for the car fire on the highway when the vehicle is from out of the area or out of state? We as taxpayers pick up the tab. Who pays for the unfounded calls the FD responds to? We as taxpayers pay for these hundreds of responses.
$500 isn't too much to charge for those that contribute nothing to our tax base. "
2Hoots wrote on May 11, 2008 12:16 PM:
" 1) I'm on a fire department that bills. The max amount is $500 that we charge for anything. If we are on scene for 30 minutes or 3 hours - the bill is not more than $500. Homeowners insurance companies don't even think twice about the FD bill. The ones I've talked to just expect to have to pay something. Your taxes pay for the departments to exist. The taxes once used to cover just about everything. Now there are more and more expenses just like everywhere else. Billing for calls isn't going to offset everything, but it can take some of the edge off. "
The Real Paladin wrote on May 11, 2008 10:21 AM:
" How is this plan working in other communities with FD's that bill? "
Citizen75 wrote on May 11, 2008 10:18 AM:
" I totally agree. I was taught that communities levie taxes to fund community based needs, e.g. schools, police, fire protection. Wow if they want to charge per call then why should anyone be asked to pay tax to support that organization? Personaly I would be realy pissed if I got charged for something I have already paid for. Someone needs to take a independant look at that department. Audit anyone??? "
HonestAbe wrote on May 11, 2008 10:07 AM:
" Now, tell me the economy is good and Bush is a good president. If you like this sort of thing, vote McCain ,,, I'm not saying any of them are 'good', but McCain is going to step right into GWs shoes.
Imagine your house just burns down, and you're staying at a shelter .... then you go to get mail and there's a bill from the fire dept! wow...wow "
HonestAbe wrote on May 11, 2008 10:07 AM:
" Mack, that was my first thought .... there's going to be someone out there that thinks, well, I'll save a little and try to do it myself. I'm a do it yourselfer, but you would think the fire department could get paid by taxes. It will inhibit some from calling ... and to make an insurance claim, insurance will go even higher than it is (plastic vehicle bumpers should be outlawed, thats a big contributor).
This is madness! www.costofwar.com
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Mack wrote on May 11, 2008 8:48 AM:
" There are towns a lot smaller than West Salem that have no trouble supporting their own volunteer fire departments. I wonder why this community is having problems. Charging for calls might inhibit some from calling when they really need help. "
AlEv wrote on May 11, 2008 7:42 AM:
" Bill our insurance? Double taxation. Our taxes already go to pay services such as these. Mismanagement of local budgets already penalizes citizens, this would only hurt us even further. We currently enjoy the 2nd lowest auto insurance rates in the country (behind only Iowa). If insurers have to start paying these bills, they are bound to increase premiums. "
The Real Paladin wrote on May 11, 2008 7:30 AM:
" The department expects to gain $5000 a year? What's the price of a new truck? Pumper $200K? The department could make more than $5K by just sending out a mailing and soliciting a donation. "
TMK wrote on May 11, 2008 6:05 AM:
" Don't the village taxes pay for the fire department? I still remember when the schools paid for all needed school supplies but now the parents pay for all of them. What is the village doing with all the tax money taken from the citizens? Soon, no taxes people pay will cover anything for the people. It'll all go to the board, Mayor, village employees, unneeded objects, and inane projects that end up not working. This is beyond ridiculous. The board needs to overhaul their expenses so the fire department wont have to charge for putting out a fire. Didn't I read or hear somewhere that the new Mayor got his office redone and got a brand new fancy computer during his first year in office? The fire department wouldn't have to charge if they were put nearer the top of the list of needed business. "