Michael Welch wrote on Jun 7, 2008 12:46 PM:
" Attacking Obama on issues such as the war and the economy are difficult -- the war is very unpopular now and folks just want a way out; the economy is listing like the Titanic, having hit the 'iceberg' of $138 per barrel oil and headed for $150. NO Republican candidate for president can be elected without a timetable for withdrawal from Iraq AND without addressing the current oil crisis, in part a result of that terrible, unnecessary war. McCain is unpopular with religious rightists like 'PO'B' but at least, to them, he is 'NOT Obama'; but they know they can't win on the major issues so they MUST go for these ugly smears and distortions and that is what 'PO'B' will concentrate on in his part in the continuing 'underground' campaign against Barack Obama... "
Michael Welch wrote on Jun 6, 2008 12:16 PM:
" Your attacks on Obama are ALWAYS of the lowest kind -- 'guilt by association,' implications that he is some kind of crypto-Muslim extremist and 'Manchurian candidate,' underscored by this ugly racial-ethnic parsing that identifies him as more 'Arab' than 'African.' You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows and as I've said below it's the obvious that's always implied in your smears. You hide behind 'Jesus,' 'Obama is evil,' that you're only smearing him out of your altruistic 'love of country' but what you DO here overcomes your protestations of 'innocence.' You're no more innocent of smearing Obama than Karl Rove is of smearing McCain in 2000... "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Jun 5, 2008 3:04 PM:
" Oh, Mike, one more thing..
I don't hate Obama, Clinton, McCain, or the Catholic church. I hate evil and attempt to exspose the sources spreading the worst of it. I don't know why you rant about my disagreement with Catholic doctrine or dislike of McCain's liberal slant. Yes, those are true, but I see Obama's problems as far worse then either of those right now. As for not having charity or love...if I didn't have charity, I wouldn't care about the direction America is headed, and I wouldn't post anything. The opposite is true....I have great charity and love, but for truth and honesty. These are things Obama has not surrounded himself with. "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Jun 5, 2008 3:02 PM:
" What matters to me, Michael, is getting out the whole story, and not just the liberal slant. If you think the information I post about Obama is a smear, it's because Obama has been living in a pig sty, and I am just pointing out the mud you don't want to see. I am not making up any of this. "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Jun 5, 2008 2:54 PM:
" Michael,
You make up things that I never said or agreed with. I NEVER said ANYTHING like "Obama is guilty because he is of Arab or African or Caucasian decent." I am posting information as can be found on the internet and elsewhere. I am merely pointing out that Obama either doesn't really know his actual ancestory or he lies about it to mislead people for some reason. According to the artical on his ancestory, Princeton gives scholarships to people if they are a certain percent (I think 12%) of a race. Obama got a scholarship as an African-American. So apparently he lied to get a better deal through college. According to you, Princeton is acting 'nazi-esque' in wanting people to classify their ancestory in percentages. "
Michael Welch wrote on Jun 5, 2008 1:06 PM:
" What is 'ugly' is obvious -- now Obama, to you, is 'guilty' through his ancestry, just as nazis deemed all 'guilty' for having been born Jews or only related to Jews. The true deep ugliness of all this seems simply beyond you -- you don't care for McCain at all, except that he is 'Not Obama' and you play the cheapest, dirtiest campaign game -- right out of the Karl Rove playbook. You even wrap yourself in 'Jesus' while doing so. NOTHING seems to matter but to smear this man for EVERYTHING you can, no matter how minute, how minor. You look through the glass darkly; you sound like a clanging bell; you have no charity... "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Jun 4, 2008 5:25 PM:
" Math is ugly? Very strange. Read the website(http://kennethelamb.blogspot.com/2008/02/barak-obama-questions-about-ethnic.html) and learn that from Baracks fathers side, he is related to Arab slave traders. Guess which race they were trading as slaves? According to US standards, Obama also doesn't qualify to be called African-American. Now, personally, I don't care about his race, but he has surrounded himself with race baiters and has lied about who he is. That says enough about him for me. "
Michael Welch wrote on Jun 4, 2008 12:05 PM:
" Indeed if we were discussing a Republican candidate -- Reagan by the way 'misspoke' often and the reaction to that was to term his gaffes and goofs 'teflon' protected -- YOU would be providing excuses, noting as you did below that many of these things are essentially MINOR points blown up and out by the concerted smear campaign of which you are a dedicated member. Parsing his ancestry into PERCENTAGES of 'white,' 'Arab' and 'African' is simply ugly. It's also a mark of the underground race and ethnic baiting that is implied. You, 'PO'B,' have over and over again stated anti-Catholic prejudice, dissed McCain as a phony Repub and repeated the 'Barack Hussein' bit the way W lied about Iraq by continually linking 9-11 to Saddam. From the likes of you I can expect, it seems, no 'less'... "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Jun 3, 2008 9:22 PM:
" Michael,
You had said you didn't hear of the "Auschwitz/uncle" story. I believe you because the main stream press doesn't say too much about Obama's gaffe's and "mis-speaking". I provided you with proof that the story was true. Yes, the Obama camp has explanations for all of his "mis-spoken" errors and people like you swallow their explanations whole without batting an eye. I don't because he hasn't earned my trust. In fact his associations and stances have earned my total distrust. It is still strange that you call reporting the errors and facts about Obama as a "smear". What's ironic is how up in arms the press became over the spelling of potato by a Republican, but Obama can see dead people or throw his grandma, mentors, and friends under the bus, and the press ignores it. "
Michael Welch wrote on Jun 3, 2008 2:36 PM:
" By the way when you do a search on 'Obama + Auschwitz' you find a Reuters story that says he admits he named Auschwitz incorrectly when he should have referred to (a sub-camp of) Buchenwald. Obama also identifies, in that Reuters story, the below mentioned Charles Payne as his great uncle and as a US army soldier. Again it seems that anything is grist for the smearists' mill -- even what appears as a minor 'misspoke.' 'PO'B' identified initially 'Buchenwald' as BUSHenwald' -- now what Freudian wonders might one make of THAT! What slips from one's unconscious is ever startling eh?!... "
Michael Welch wrote on Jun 3, 2008 12:57 PM:
" You're condemning this candidate (now presumptive nominee) based upon 'guilt by association' as you always have. It should not be prohibitive for ANYONE to become president of the United States based upon his race or ethnicity -- that 'breakdown' you have is, well, 'Hitlerian,' i. e. you've decided who Obama 'is' the same way nazis decided who was a Jew (and NOT a German). I still think that you EVER reach for the lowest, most ugly reasons to oppose this man; you are indeed a 'smearist' and I regret this is how you apparently MUST see the world. It hasn't ANYTHING to do with any Jesus by the way; don't 'blame' him -- it's just pure nasty you. I regret that but you are what you are... "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Jun 2, 2008 3:18 PM:
" Michael,
When a person is running for president, then everything should be on the table for analyzation. Because Barack has so very little in the way of governing, you have to look at the people he follows for 20 years (Wright) and what that person preaches and teaches. You also have to look at the other people he has worked with and surrounded himself with (like Ayers and Rezko). Included in all of this is family history. Obama's dad wasn't 100% African. He was primarily Arab. Obama is basically 50% white, 43% Arab, and 7% African. (http://kennethelamb.blogspot.com/2008/02/barak-obama-questions-about-ethnic.html) His race doesn't really matter, what matters is that he lies about it and what he stands for. "
Phil O'Bates wrote on Jun 2, 2008 3:08 PM:
" Michael,
I don't think you are looking very hard. I googled "obama auschwitz" and the first hit was this: http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/27/1068687.aspx
This was the second hit: http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/5/27/1719/01583
plus: http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/28/barack-obama-family-military-lies/
Obama has been flinging gaffes left and right, but most of the media (being that they are in the tank for him) have ignored it. There are a few places to read up on some of them though.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/sweet/316024,CST-NWS-sweet28.article "
Michael Welch wrote on Jun 1, 2008 3:13 PM:
" I wish this discussion could bypass the apparently endless 'Barack HUSSEIN Obama' jibes and implications and the obsession with black liberation theology and Rev Wright and explore the question that 'PO'B' actually alludes to, in a way, below: who IS Obama? That is, a BLACK candidate for prez a la Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton or, as Obama appears to be (he'd hardly be almost the presumptive Democratic nominee if not), a self-styled 'bridge' between races especially re: his own family -- black father, white mother, raised in part by white grandparents from Kansas but in Hawaii! That's the true conundrum of Obama, not Trinity church from which he just resigned, but what do we ALL expect of him? Wish someone would join me in talking about that... "
Michael Welch wrote on May 31, 2008 12:08 PM:
" I would also like to know the source of this information -- I haven't seen the story in the media, which doesn't mean it isn't true but still, just where and when is Obama presenting this supposedly bogus family history? By the way Ronald Reagan often recounted WWII anecdotes (the pilot who 'rides it down' with the boyish crew member too badly wounded to bail from the stricken plane), the origin of which turned out to be Hollywood war movies. Nixon used to speak of his talking 'to the boys in the foxholes' when Nixie was a Navy supply officer in the south Pacific who was NEVER in a combat situation. Again: if Obama is saying something that burnishes his image which is not true (and maybe he is mistaken, which is NOT the same as lying eh?) he may well be in the American political 'tradition'... "
Michael Welch wrote on May 30, 2008 12:56 PM:
" What would be the POLITICAL significance of Obama's apparent confusion about his family? Obviously he was attempting to identify with the American Jewish community by linking his family with a liberator of 'Auschwitz,' or in the probable case as you say, Buchenwald. Re: Hillary's 'under fire' landing in Bosnia this is political 'reaching' but why? In Hills' case perhaps she indeed felt she was being 'sniped' at present and simply projected that back to a faux memory, but Obama's object is to cozy up to American Jews -- typical US politics -- but YOU it seems see all things Obama as 'sinister' because it suits YOUR political purpose. I recently DEFENDED McCain re: a purported suicide attempt mentioned on Jimmy's blog -- everything Mac is not 'evil' to me but your anti-Obama bias seems to twist any sense of fairness... "
Phil O'Bates wrote on May 29, 2008 4:59 PM:
" Obama has been telling this story of one of his relatives who supposedly marched with Patton and freed the Auschwitz concentration camp. People were surprised because the Red (Russian) Army freed Auschwitz. Then the Obama campaign said that they meant the Bushenwald camp, but that still hasn't cleared up the air. Obama's uncle was Charles W. Payne and no Charles W. Payne from Kansas liberated Buchanwald. There is a Charles W. Payne from Kansas that served in the Navy in WWII. This is probably Obama's uncle. Whatever capacity his uncle served is honorable. What is surprising is Obama's false recollection. It's not a big deal, but it shows that Obama doesn't really know or tell what his real ancestory is. "
Michael Welch wrote on May 29, 2008 12:19 PM:
" You KNOW why you repeatedly emphasize Obama's middle name -- but if you've finally believed your own propaganda then you've entered the fantasy world of George W that Scott McClellan has recorded. I don't know what Auschwitz has to do with Obama's ancestry -- are you NOW accusing him of being a crypto-nazi as well as a crypto-Muslim extremist? McCain it seems is to be taken at his word that he doesn't think Hitler was sent by God or that the Catholic church is an evil cult or that Katrina was sent to stop a gay rights parade scheduled in New Orleans, and now Hagee, like Jimmy Bakker, Jimmy Swaggert, Pat Robertson, Billy Graham and so MANY other 'Christians,' is also uh 'sorry.' No I don't think that I am the one who is 'fooled' -- hardly... "
Phil O'Bates wrote on May 28, 2008 1:37 PM:
" Michael,
You like to smear me by improperly recounting my posts. I don't 'continually' use Barack Hussein Obama's middle name. I do post it sometimes, but that says nothing more then posting Bush's name as George Walker Bush or McCain as John Sidney McCain. You read into it whatever you want. The fact that Obama avoids embracing and talking about his middle name and his true ancestery says alot. What is funny is when he does talk about it, he get's it wrong (Aushwitz anyone?). The only person fooling you, Michael, is yourself. "
Michael Welch wrote on May 28, 2008 12:55 PM:
" Well on the editorial site, the Memorial day piece, I see you are back writing 'Hussein,' something you denied you'd done below. Just what are you implying when you do that hmm? Hagee has tried to slip away in the same manner that most literalists do -- when the going gets tough they 'apologize' until the next faux pas. Obama has continually said he disagrees with Wright but that seems never to 'count.' Jesus gets quite angry too -- he even knocks over a few things once in a while -- and I think the smearing of Obama is something that should engender some anger. You are that one-eyed jack 'PO'B' but you don't fool me... "
Phil O'Bates wrote on May 28, 2008 9:58 AM:
" As for the political arena. Sure, analyze who McCain has surrounded himself with for the last 20 years, that's what elections are all about. As for Haggee, he apologized for some of his statements. I also know that the media has taken alot of his statements out of context and he has explained the context (which is Biblically supported). Mr. Wright has not explained the supposed context in which his racist and looney statements were taken out of. A smear is either a lie or the result of what you do or what you believe. What I have told of Obama is what he has actually done or supported. None of it was a lie. "
Phil O'Bates wrote on May 28, 2008 9:50 AM:
" Well Michael,
I'm glad you reference something of faith like Matthew 7. Matthew 7 is not advocating universal approval or acceptance of everything or lifestyle. It tells Christians a couple of things. One, when you judge, recognize your own faults and work on fixing them. Two, don't waste time giving out God's wisdom to those who don't understand it (verse 6). I do too much of the second one on these boards with you. I was studying the book of Jude and a few other verses reminded me of people like you (verses 4,10-13,16,19-20). I do truely hope that you one day accept Jesus as your savior, but I must recognize what you are today, a lost and angry soul. "
Michael Welch wrote on May 27, 2008 12:03 PM:
" 'For as you measure it out, it will be measured back to you' -- smearing Obama as a black racist IS the MOST important objective you have, 'PO'B,' and the only evidence you offer is the most sensationalized aspects of black liberation theology. So re: McCain and John Hagee -- that McCain sought this pastor's endorsement MUST mean that he agrees with him (and YOU by the way, is that not true?) that Catholicism is a wicked 'cult'; and moreover that God 'sent Hitler' to 'deliver' the Jews to Palestine (by slaughtering most of them) hmm? McCain says now that he doesn't agree and repudiates Hagee but he HAS 'associated' himself with him SO -- he is then forever 'bound' eh? How does smearing 'work' when it works against YOUR candidate? Isn't it the same?... "
Phil O'Bates wrote on May 25, 2008 11:02 AM:
" "..and only stopped when I and others challenged you as to what exactly were you implying." Heh heh heh If that's what you have to tell yourself to feel good, who am I to stop you? "You cherry pick the most incendiary comments of Wright and Cone.." considering the 150 word limit and the fact that Wright, Cone, and Obama have not denied these ideas, I see no problem with stating them. "You can't empathize or understand.." There is no condition or history that makes "Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy." correct. I understand something alright, you will overlook black racism if it suits your political desires. It is interesting that you like assume what my purposes and desires are, then judge them, yet will criticize me for making judgements on documented statements. "
Michael Welch wrote on May 24, 2008 12:17 PM:
" Black intellectuals' ideas about race and history are varied; Wright's sermons EVERY week weren't from 'black theology' as his other parishoners have stated. The anger of generations of black Americans isn't swept away with a few laws and a holiday -- remember that cruelty and crudity toward blacks occurred with Wright's own lifetime and many who are still alive -- white and black -- can recall, as I can, the deliberate diminishment of black people by the political and social culture of the dominant whites. You can't empathize or understand because your politics rules your life (Jesus doesn't -- he's your 'cover') and anything to destroy 'nefarious liberals' seems okay with you. You fit exactly Jesus' own observation of 'Father forgive them, for they (apparently) know not what they do!'... "
Michael Welch wrote on May 24, 2008 12:08 PM:
" You've admitted you've NEVER read about American black history in any but a cursory fashion; you're unfamiliar with accounts of the centuries of American black slavery and of 'Jim Crow'; books like William Styron's 'The Confessions of Nat Turner' and Richard Wright's 'Native Son' hold no interest for you. All you do is troll your right-wing blogs in order to gather as much scum as you can so to smear Obama and ANY liberal candidate you disagree with. You don't even LIKE McCain; in fact you called him a 'RINO' -- 'Republican in name only' -- and then you play the same Roveian slander as Rove's religious right thugs did when they destroyed McCain's candidacy in 2000. Politics is your purpose and religiosity is the skirt that you lift 'Oh no! I'm so good! So (rightly) religious!' So -- ugly really but you can't ever see your real self... "
Michael Welch wrote on May 24, 2008 11:56 AM:
" You're a one-eyed jack on this particular blog, 'PO'B,' but I've seen the other side of your face. On Jimmy Gillman's blog you REPEATEDLY used the middle name of 'Hussein' over and over again and only stopped when I and others challenged you as to what exactly were you implying. Obama can attend a church, as many people do, without believing EVERYTHING one hears from one pastor's pulpit. You cherry pick the most incendiary comments of Wright and Cone, create your guilts by association so that 'Wright = Cone = Obama' and then you self-sanctify your smears with all your 'I love Jesus!' piety. You stink with your own sanctimony -- as Jesus himself once explained about such as you: 'HOW can they escape damnation!'... "
Phil O'Bates wrote on May 24, 2008 10:21 AM:
" Wright also said that if we really want to understand, then we should read what Wright's mentor teaches. So here is a sampling of Wright's mentor, James Cone: "Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community ... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love." "
Phil O'Bates wrote on May 24, 2008 10:17 AM:
" A few other points on Wright and Obama and liberals. One, Wright was asked to put his comments into context and explain what he really meant, and all he did was reiterate his racist, looney, and inacurate rants. Two, in a recent poll liberals were asked about the Wright-Obama issue, and they overwhelming believe that Obama knew and accepted Wrights wacky theology, but just 'threw him under the bus' for political expediency. The crazy thing about that is....they still think Obama is good candidated! In other words, they don't care if Obama is racist or looney or another lieing politician, they just want him. "
Phil O'Bates wrote on May 24, 2008 10:00 AM:
" Michael, you have posted so much falsehood and yet castigate me for smearing! Tsk tsk. First, I don't "continually" use Obama's middle name. I have also refuted your idea that I think he is "pro Islamic by birth." The only thing people are 'by birth' is human. However, as we grow up we CHOOSE who and what we will follow. Obama CHOSE for 20 years to follow Wright, so looking at Wrights preaching and beliefs shows you what Obama accepts or believes. Obama's other friends and associates, like Ayers, confirms Obama's anti-Israel and anti-Bible bias. Now I know you and your fellow liberals don't care about these facts when it pertains to your candidate, but these are facts that all people should be constantly aware of. "
Michael Welch wrote on May 22, 2008 2:30 PM:
" The worst thing is to take portions out of context in order to bolster a false point -- Obama (Wright either) I don't believe is a 'racist'; nothing he says or does indicates at all any racist attitudes. You have simplistically associated him with out-of-context excerpts and then charged him with agreeing with what he does NOT agree with, no matter what he says! It's a sign of your own POLITICAL prejudice and it is deeply unfair... "
Michael Welch wrote on May 22, 2008 2:03 PM:
" You have continually implied that Obama agrees with Jeremiah Wright on those specific controversial points about which Obama has said repeatedly he does not. Wright is an intelligent man who by the way served in uniform as a marine when such as Dick 'Duck!' Cheney repeatedly 'ducked' and George W found a VERY safe haven through his father's pull. IMPLYING that Obama is sympathetic to Islamic radicalism is NOT true either; implying that because his middle name is 'Hussein' (you use it repeatedly) that he is by birth and happenstance pro-Islamic radicalism is NOT true. Satan, they say, can also cite scripture for HIS purposes -- your purposes have been to encourage the SMEARING of Obama, not reasoned discussion about policy disagreement... "
Phil O'Bates wrote on May 22, 2008 1:49 PM:
" It is also a Christians duty to watch and warn others of pending danger. Eze 33:6 "But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take [any] person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand." I know that Obama is pending danger for this country and I will send warnings. None of my posts on Obama have been lies. "
Phil O'Bates wrote on May 22, 2008 1:46 PM:
" Obama says he's a Christian. What are Christians supposed to do? 1Th. 5:21-22 "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Abstain from all appearance of evil." and Rom 16:17 "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them." NOWHERE in the Bible is the doctrine of racism supported. Racism is evil and yet Obama chose to hold fast to a person that taught this contrary doctrine.
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Michael Welch wrote on May 22, 2008 12:14 PM:
" 'PO'B' is certainly familiar with 'filthy rags'; he's been one of the smearists who has implied that Barack Obama, because Obama's father and stepfather were Muslim and because Obama's middle name is 'Hussein,' is some kind of Muslim 'Manchurian candidate' who will favor Islamic extremism. Obama, 'PO'B' has asserted, is ever 'guilty' by associations -- who is father was, what his pastor said, who he knew in the neighborhood. 'PO'B' has spread, yes, a lot of 'filth' and then he 'piously' assumes that such 'guilt by association' is a 'truth' his Jesus would approve of. Well -- HIS Jesus... "
Phil O'Bates wrote on May 21, 2008 9:32 PM:
" Well lets see....piety: dutifulness in religion.
I suppose, because I try to do my 'duty' for Christ.
Self-righteous: convinced of one's own righteousness especially in contrast with the actions and beliefs of others : narrow-mindedly moralistic.
Not really. I'm convinced that my own righteousness is as filthy rags. However my actions can be righteous but only through Jesus. (Isa. 64:6 & Rom. 5:19)
Is Christianity a narrow way? Yes. (Matt. 7:14)
Am I convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that Jesus has made me righteous. Yes. Not because of my actions, but because of Jesus's action. "
Michael Welch wrote on May 21, 2008 12:50 PM:
" Ah self-righteous piety -- thy name is 'Phil O'Bates'!... "
Phil O'Bates wrote on May 19, 2008 8:21 PM:
" If the world or society rejects evangelical Christianity then that's a good sign. John 15:18,19 "If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before [it hated] you.
If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you."
Jesus clarifies what Christianity is about, and saying that other religions are a way to heaven isn't part of it. John 14:6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
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Michael Welch wrote on May 17, 2008 1:08 PM:
" Evangelicals have every right to a belief 'system' and points of view -- re: Christianity and politics etc. -- but as long as they are going to assert the absoluteness of those views they are going to have to endure criticism and opposition. And if they are determined to rally politically for specific issues, those of us who disagree will 'rally' too to oppose them and also to advance our own sincerely held beliefs. I myself don't think evangelicals are 'stupid' but I do see their understanding especially of other religions as narrow and exclusionary. They assert 'the narrow gate' -- okay; then it IS indeed a 'narrow' perspective and often not well informed about those other religions but as stereotypes... "