Pfrancis wrote on May 24, 2008 12:44 PM:
" The editorial's premise is in error...
The issue has never ever been about talking with anyone...the issue is about US presidents talking to those who want to do us in...
That kind of discussion never bears fruit until lower level talks appear to be near a breakthrough...only then should the president engage in face to face talks with our adversaries... "
Michael Welch wrote on May 22, 2008 12:05 PM:
" The comments below are so hyper that they're almost incoherent -- Potsdam?! That's where Truman in July 1945 got 'Uncle Joe' Stalin to agree that the Sovs would attack the Japanese armies in Manchuria, as JS had promised, once Hitler was defeated. (Stalin KEPT his promise by the way.) 'Wise up' MAY be referring to the Yalta conference in early '45 when FDR was still alive? At Yalta, in Soviet Crimea on the Black sea, Roosevelt and Churchill did agree with Unca Joe that the Sovs had 'interests' in eastern and central Europe, not to mention the Red army. By April the Sovs were in Berlin of course but then there was 'a war going on' hmm and we WANTED them 'there' eh?... "
wiseup wrote on May 22, 2008 12:12 AM:
" Talk til you are blue in the face~ talk is cheap and buys time for the bad guys. Ask the VC. We tried all that with Saddam and yet he continued funding for suicide bombers, shot at our planes in no fly zone, atrocities in his own country, violations of the treaty HE signed. You haven't learned much from previous wars, "
wiseup wrote on May 22, 2008 12:07 AM:
" Great both Brian and Mike with their extra-ordinary know-it-all WRONG blogs. Nixon didn't start with Russia dummy, forget about Pottsdam? Really, no person is going to persuade tyrants to change their ways just because. No fancy words, no promises of peace, no signed paper, no demands and no amount of pressure will change Chavez, Islamic terrorists, Hitler, Stalin, Castro, and all the tyrants throughout history! "
Brian wrote on May 21, 2008 6:25 PM:
" Obama is absolutely correct. Talking rather than bombing is a sign of confidenmce and strength, not weakness or appeasement. "
Michael Welch wrote on May 21, 2008 12:46 PM:
" As far as the domestic housing market, the administration had never proposed regulation when the Republicans controlled and as you also ought to know, the president can VETO legislation he doesn't want no matter what the congress wants. A veto-proof vote require TWO THIRDS override, not so easy to get except with popular pork like 'AFDC' -- aid to dependent dairy cows. The much vaunted 'magic of the marketplace' plus Republican genuflection toward any sort of capitalistic rip-off that pumps money into the system had almost NO folks saying let's DO something about the housing bubble BEFORE it bursts. It burst when the Demos were in sure, but it swelled to breaking point under GOPper control... "
Michael Welch wrote on May 21, 2008 12:39 PM:
" What 'laws' did the congress pass that demanded $4 per gallon gas? I think it's clear that the misadventures in Iraq and the middle east since 2001 have exacerbated the markets and contributed to high oil prices. As one ought to know the PRESIDENT MAKES FOREIGN POLICY, NOT THE CONGRESS. Now it shouldn't be that way; it ought to be a joint activity but it evolved early in US history that the congress generally deferred to the president even when he acted in a war-like way; for example, Jefferson and the Barbary pirates and President Monroe's invasion of Florida -- led by Andrew Jackson and the 'national guard' of the time. No, hard as you're trying, foreign mistakes are mainly presidential ones, not Nancy Pelosi's... "
RightBlog wrote on May 20, 2008 2:35 PM:
" In just one year. Remember the election in 2006?
A little over one year ago:
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.
Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have seen:
1) Consumer confidence plummet;
2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $3.50 a gallon;
3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate (stock /mutual fund losses);
5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars;
6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
America voted for change in 2006, and we got it!
It's Congress that makes law not the President.
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Michael Welch wrote on May 20, 2008 12:36 PM:
" This is an OPINION about negotiating, not about who ought to be president, but Mial is an OPINION PAGE EDITOR who, under his own name, does indeed 'editorialize'; he is NOT a news reporter (for some years now) and it IS his job to HAVE opinions, views etc., just as it is say David Brooks' 'job' or George Will's or Richard Cohen's or Bill O'Reilly's. Mial also writes COLLECTIVE opinion for the paper even if he doesn't agree with every aspect. I think Mial is very judicious and often careful (more careful than I -- but that's not hard!) in his expressions but he's in his own 'pocket' I'd say -- and those ARE 'just the facts ma'am'... "
just the facts wrote on May 20, 2008 7:43 AM:
" My Oh My; The trib editorial staff is certainly in the tank for Obama. No use looking for their insightful and objective endorsement down the line. What a shame that we can sniff out your agenda months before the election. No small wonder that the editorial staff has absolutely no respectability,or credibility! "
Michael Welch wrote on May 19, 2008 12:31 PM:
" As Obama himself pointed out, REPUBLICAN President Richard Nixon 'started it' by conducting negotiations with the 'godless commies' not just in the Soviet Union BUT with Maoist China! Now Mao was guilty of the slaughter of at least EIGHTY to ONE HUNDRED MILLION Chinese -- give or take a few million huh? -- for his purposes of power mania. And at the SAME time Nixie was discussing, the Sovs and the Chinese were steadily arming north Vietnam. Nevertheless the long term results have indeed been based on 'geo-political-economical' necessity -- the US could not ignore a China which has become our primary Wal-Mart supplier eh? John McCain aside, talk-talk is better than bomb-bomb -- yet if one were determined to have WWII, granted, it made more sense over Czechoslovakia than Poland... "
blogger wrote on May 19, 2008 11:04 AM:
" The problem is using loaded terms to score points against opponents. Mr Obama hasnt said anything McCain or Gates havent said also,however the appeasment/Chamberlain accusation is emotionally loaded. Appeasement implies giving up something (Czechoslovakia) in the face of threats. Did Obama suggest the West give up something (oh, say maybe Israel) to Iran? Of course not. Nixon TALKED to Mao (ie engaged in diplomacy) before going to China and embrace the greatest mass murderer in history and opened China. Kennedy TALKED with Gromyko the Soviet Foreign Minister during the Cuban missle crisis. Appeasers? No. "
blogger wrote on May 19, 2008 10:54 AM:
" Were the "appeasers" Bush referred to John McCain and Robert Gates? McCain, in an interview 2 years ago with Sky News reporter James Rubin, referring to Hamas "They're the government; sooner or later we are going to have to deal with them, one way or another" ie, talk to them. Our Secretary of Defense, referring to talking to Iran, part of the Axis of Evil, with whom our government wont engage: "We need to figure out a way to develop some leverage . . . and then sit down and talk with them," . Is he advocating appeasment also? "
wiseup wrote on May 19, 2008 10:00 AM:
" People like Brian would be better off living in a world run by Chavez,Saddam, Stalin, Lenin, Hitler and Castro. Don't like it here? Don't like the way majority votes? Get the H*** out of OUR country and see how long you last complaining about the government of your new country! "
The Moderate wrote on May 19, 2008 6:16 AM:
" There is "talking" and then there is "talking". BGS and Mial have been blessed with perfect 20/20 hindsight vision. BGS and his fellow democrats will try and make Exxon the "Jerimiah Wright" for the Republicans. But in case you missed it, BHO has now said that he would NOT engage in conversation with Hamas until they delete the destruction of Isreal as part of their charter. "
BrianGSmith wrote on May 18, 2008 4:14 PM:
" Imagine if EXXON had total control of the oil.....we'd be paying $20.00 a gallon. In a few years $20 bucks will be woth 3 EURO. "
BrianGSmith wrote on May 18, 2008 4:12 PM:
" "wiseup" is typical of the right wing noise machine. Anyone with half their wits and a lackadasical understanding of History can see that "wiseup" simply creates his/her own historical facts. Cliche conservatives....empty slates. Since their Dear Leader has been "in command" the price of gas has tripled. Not the cause of a Chavez or Iran....but the cause of Bush's stupid and useless war. "wiseup" forgets the warriot Reagan negotiated with Iranians and Saddam....in fact he armed them both. Bush paid the Taliban $43 million in May, 2001. Who can you point to that doesn't appease the terrorists from the republican Party? Who? "
wiseup wrote on May 18, 2008 3:47 PM:
" Gas crunch got you down? Imagine if Saddam and Iran and Chavez and a few others would have been able to control OUR access to oil? $4 gas? TRY $10! Everytime we burp, they crack the whip and price of oil skyrockets and WORLD ECONOMY TANKS! Economics are always are part of war and war has been part of the human experience since Cain and Abel! Negotiate with evil~ never! "
wiseup wrote on May 18, 2008 3:39 PM:
" Your approach would work if the axis of evil was rational and not out to DESTROY US. Joe Kennedy, Neville Chamberlain tried to reason with madman like Hitler. Saddam got his training from Nazis. Saddam could not believe his good fortune when the UN would not allow the allies to sweep him from power when he invaded Kuwait. Saddam lost the battle but survived to continue the war and its plain naive to think with Saddam's BILLION$ in petrodollars that Saddam would not seek revenge against US and our allies and wreak havoc on our country all because Saddam signed some piece of paper! "
Bumper wrote on May 18, 2008 11:49 AM:
" How come so much is know by so few that have never worn green for their country. A good read is 'Roosevelt's Secet War'. "
just the facts wrote on May 18, 2008 9:35 AM:
" Please excuse me I meant Brian G. The church schedule is in the paper! "
just the facts wrote on May 18, 2008 9:31 AM:
" Appeasement does not work! You have been involved intamatly with that folly for the last 8 years. Bush engaged the flatculent Democrats and you witnessed how well that went! We know from past experience that these high minded ideals translate into ,"Give us more money, Mind your own business, and leave us alone"! Bush said just what the MAINSTREAM AMERICAN, who pays taxes, raises children and attends church feels! You cannot create a trusted business relation with GOOD FEELINGS! Speaking of church Geo. S. you better go. Theres a lot of HATE there! "
BrianGSmith wrote on May 18, 2008 3:55 AM:
" Another point.....Bush claims to be a "Christian" and say Jesus Christ is his favorite philosopher......so we are right to ask "What would Jesus do? If I recall correctly Jesus told his followers to "Love their enemies".....Love has never been utilized and Histroy is replete with non-stop war. Perhaps Jesus knew the key.....regardless, Jesus certaqinly wouldn't continually demonize a population because of the comments of a weak and tiny leader. Truth is Bush and all the "christians" like him are fast-food Christians.....wanting heaven without all that "cross bearing". How one treats one's enemies demonstrates how truly christian one is. Bush is an anti-Christ in thee respects. Happy Sunday. "
BrianGSmith wrote on May 18, 2008 3:50 AM:
" 1st....most ditto heads who have been using the "Neville Chamberlin- appeasement" argument haven't the slightest clue as to what they are talking about. 2nd....Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush,
served as a business partner of and U.S. banking operative for the financial architect of the Nazi war machine from 1926 until 1942, when Congress took aggressive action against Bush and his "enemy national" partners. While US troops were dying finhting the Nazi war machine Bush's Grandaddy was financing the same Nazi's. That is not APPEASEMENT that is TREASON. 3rd...General Petrayus' strategy in Iraq includes paying/bribing the Shi-ite gangs that have killed the majority of US troops....we are appeasing the US haters with US Taxpayer money. Once again Bush made himself the biggest fool on the planet. -
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