Willie wrote on Jun 25, 2008 11:43 PM:
" You must be smoking some of that stuff you're selling. "
GOD_HIMSELF wrote on Jun 25, 2008 8:13 PM:
" i'm not sure why you're so concerned with what i do for a living but, if you really want to know, i don't have a "job" because i don't need one. i'm so "dumb" that when i graduated high school i took the money my parents were going to use for my college education and invested in the stock market. i've never really "worked" a day in my life. that's not to say i don't do a lot of reading and research, but i don't really consider it work. and yes, i have a ton of money. probably not what you wanted to hear. "
pbn wrote on Jun 25, 2008 7:46 PM:
" to: God_himself... you failed to inform me of your 'high and mighty' job. I suppose reading that much was hard to process for you... not to mention comprehend! "
GOD_HIMSELF wrote on Jun 25, 2008 5:28 PM:
" homo, you must have recieved your education from one of these "hard working" public school teachers. "
homer wrote on Jun 25, 2008 3:29 PM:
" eye ugrie whith u 100% god_herself. hoo kneads ofer pade teetchers? "
bluebunny wrote on Jun 25, 2008 3:19 PM:
" Anyone who is somewhat educated knows that NCLB is a joke, and although we like to tease, know that teachers work a lot harder than most of us. That being said, stop arguing with idiots like god himself who sit and banter on a local newspaper blog all day. I'm guessing that he just wants to get a rise out of people, and by fighting with him, you're just playing his game. If he truly believes what he writes, he obviously is too ignorant to be reasoned with anyway. "
wakeup wrote on Jun 25, 2008 2:46 PM:
" This is such a white elephant - on ONE day last year, some students didn't fill in the correct number of little ovals. This is just a sick joke. Far more important is how many voters actually know the facts behind important issues their representatives are voting on. Dump No CHILD Left Behind, but start No VOTER Left Behind. "
Katie wrote on Jun 25, 2008 2:11 PM:
" God_himself is self taught. Apparently the only thing he can teach is ignorance and just plain ol' stupidity. "
Rickey wrote on Jun 25, 2008 2:04 PM:
" This Republician Inflation is a bigger threat to education than NCLB will ever be "
jpb wrote on Jun 25, 2008 1:54 PM:
" Sounds like "God" is working under the antiquated idea that teachers only work part of the year and that when we are in the classroom life is just peachy. Unfortunately things have changed slightly. I am a teacher. School ended three weeks ago. In those three weeks I have attended two multiple day conferences, finished planning the schedules for the majority of my students (which required me to be at school roughly 4-5 hours per day), and written four papers for the class I am taking to renew my license (i.e. keep my job). Sounds like a glorious vacation doesn't it? "
GOD_HIMSELF wrote on Jun 25, 2008 1:34 PM:
" yeah, i think i have it backwards. i know a lot of people that went to college dreaming of becoming teachers but when they discovered how rigoris the schooling is, and how high the standards are, they decided to become doctors and lawyers. <---sarcasm "
pbn wrote on Jun 25, 2008 12:37 PM:
" God_Himself: Let me explain my statment this way. Since you are P & Ming about teachers and how much time they have off and how much money they make and how little they work.... You obviously weren't smart enough to be a teacher! If it's such a "cushy" job, why didn't you become a teacher? And yes, you are wrong about people going into education because their aspirations were too high. Actually, I think you have it backwards. What is your job that you can look down your nose at the people who educate your kids. "
mby wrote on Jun 25, 2008 12:27 PM:
" No child left behind sucks anyway, It really does not help in teaching out students, just how to do a test an forget what you learned. So, really who care, we need a new way of judging what our children are learning anyway. "
drbantavery wrote on Jun 25, 2008 11:25 AM:
" There are many problems with NCLB, from the fact it is an unfunded mandate to the fact it causes some schools to overemphasize reading and math instruction to the detriment of other subjects. However, I have seen the negative effects when an administration has a "no-retention" policy and students figure out they will keep getting passed no matter how little they learn or do. Then parents figure out not only with their children pass, but they will get inflated grades as well, if they put enough pressure on teachers and administrators. I have to hope that as painful as it might be, NCLB might put the brakes on some of the rampant social promotion and grade inflation that occurs. "
jersey66 wrote on Jun 25, 2008 10:36 AM:
" It breaks my heart that every week the Tribune publishes their A+ Achievers section and there are rarely any comments praising our students, teachers or schools. However, anytime there is a negative article, ignorance shows it's ugly head. Paladin and other teachers, thank you for all you do. As a mother of a teacher, I can also attest to their long, unpaid hours. Even when my daughter goes home after 10+ hours, she is continuously up late working on something for school. I am shocked to see receipts every year as she spends well over $1,000 of her own money in her classroom. The most remarkable part is that she thinks nothing of it,and loves going to work every day. "
Senior Advocate wrote on Jun 25, 2008 10:34 AM:
" Well this has always been a touchy subject. In reading all these posts, The fact is that portions what what each poster states is correct and portions are wrong in each and every post. the sad part is that unless all sides get off their high horses , this I work harder than you, not you dont, yes I do, no you dont, you get paid too much, no I dont, yes you do, WOW, I'm telling my mommy on you, I'm telling my daddy on you, scenerio, no meaninful advances will be made. Worse than a bunch of kindergarten kids. As Lucey would say, "Godd Grief Charlie Brown". "
political Correctness wrote on Jun 25, 2008 10:09 AM:
" Dande, awww how sweet you gave me credibility and how sad you took it away from me. So in your opinion what are they actually trying to accomplish with the No Child Left Behind law? Also, at least Rickey and I are not afraid to state our opinions even if they are against societies stand on the subject. We must learn to question more of the comical antics of our government. The outcomes may not be comical, but the way they go about doing it is. So if you want a good laugh in the morning, Google "GOP" and read some of the information out there about them, it will brighten your day. "
Katie wrote on Jun 25, 2008 9:54 AM:
" Oh, get off your high horse Elitist. I'd much rather have my public school education and real world knowledge than be like your pompus butt. BTW, I made Dean's list in college and *gasp* am actually an intelligent person! Oh MY! How did that happen?!? "
Katie wrote on Jun 25, 2008 9:52 AM:
" People who are anti teacher are so wrapped up in their own bitterness from some bad experience that they can't open their eyes. There are some bad teachers out there- but MOST are NOT. When you go against those who teach, you go against everyone. Teaching is what moves this country forward. Without education we are nothing and without those who educate, we get no where. EVERYONE needs to learn in order to be a productive member of society. We NEED teachers but so often they are treated like they are disposable. It's disgusting and offensive. Give credit where credit is due. And no, I am not a teacher. "
East Coast Elitist wrote on Jun 25, 2008 9:45 AM:
" Wow, I'm glad my kids are in the care of private schools. They get a way better education than you public schoolers. Plus the teachers are way nicer and smarter. I'm just glad I don't have to deal with the shenanigans of this 'No Child Left Beehind' junk. Kudos to private education! "
Katie wrote on Jun 25, 2008 9:45 AM:
" What do teachers get to deal with? Parents who expect them to raise their childre. Parents who expect them to not do anything but teach them the "three r's"- God forbid a teacher discipline a child for bad behavior. Teachers have to walk such a fine line it's ridiculous. People are so lawsuit happy and ready to blame anyone for something that their children do wrong. You don't go into teaching for the money, for the "time off" or because it's "easy" You go into it because you enjoy teaching and making a difference. "
dande wrote on Jun 25, 2008 9:31 AM:
" political Correctness, you suffered a dramatic credibility loss with your second post. You lowered yourself to that of Rickey whose incoherent rantings always border on the ludicrous. If you actually believe what you wrote in that post, it is not going to be to the advantage of our youth when they enter your future classroom. Our students, current and future, don't need venom as part of their learning. For the record, I've spent a number of years in the public education sector. "
political Correctness wrote on Jun 25, 2008 8:39 AM:
" No Child Left Behind (designed to fail), less money for the districts/schools that cant afford the teachers that care as much as ours do is a little ridiculous. In my opinion it should be the other way around! Remember people, lets not forget who is trying to ruin the education in America. The GOP wants to make sheep out of everyone so they will do what they tell them and believe what they are told so they will always get what they want and run us into the ground! "
political Correctness wrote on Jun 25, 2008 8:37 AM:
" GOD_HIMSELF, wow you are ignorant! I am a student in higher education and I did see how much teachers worked when I was in the public education system. Their jobs are really never done, and if you cant see that then you had a bad experience with your teachers. We are not saying that teachers have the hardest jobs in the world, but we are saying that your future depends on how much they care about education, their students, their future, and your future. I know many teachers that would do anything for their students (not up their grade just for being buddies), so a little respect is needed for the people who shape your childrens minds into the socially accepted people they will become one day. "
GOD_HIMSELF wrote on Jun 25, 2008 8:23 AM:
" pbn. i wasn't smart enough to become a teacher? i always thought people went into college with high aspirations and when things got too tough in the field they originally chose, they changed their major to education cause it was the easiest way to go. i'm sure i'm wrong though. "
GOD_HIMSELF wrote on Jun 25, 2008 8:06 AM:
" i guess i didn't realize teachers were doing lesson plans all summer (apparently a lot of lesson plans get done on the golf course). i stand corrected, teaching is the toughest job in the world. "
pbn wrote on Jun 25, 2008 7:53 AM:
" Thank you, Katie!! and to the other post... It all seems like a cushy job until you are the one doing it. I can't help it that you weren't smart enough to become a teacher! Then you, too, could enjoy working "only 9 months a year" for a cushy salary. Get over yourself. "
Rickey wrote on Jun 25, 2008 7:41 AM:
" No child left behind is a GOP poison Pill to education which John McBush would continue "
Paladin wrote on Jun 25, 2008 7:35 AM:
" Thank you, Katie. I cannot even refer to that poster by his ID here, because he is way too ignorant to be any kind of a god. I am a teacher. I work 10-12 hour days at least 6 days a week during the school year--on a salary, not for overtime. I work a majority of the summer as well as my Christmas vacation. And I do it so your kids will be educated well enough to afford baby shoes and health insurance for their own children someday. "
hopeful wrote on Jun 25, 2008 7:34 AM:
" I know more than one teacher, and not from the same school districts.
Yes, Katie you are so right. The long hours and the extra duties some districts require of a teacher. None of the teachers I know puts in any less than a ten hour day.
I feel so sad for any teacher when I hear comments about the huge pay and lack of work.
In just about every district if anyone is "overpaid" it would be the administration. Now that the economy is wildly out of control, maybe even their wages shouldn't be thought of as out of line. "
Katie wrote on Jun 25, 2008 7:15 AM:
" God_himself, you have obviously never been a teacher. Teaching is not 7-8 hour days for only 9 months. It is closer to 12 hour days and it IS a full year job. When teachers aren't in-school hours they are still working. Whether its lesson plans, correcting paperwork, preparing the classroom, or attending other functions for educators. Teachers shape future generations. It's not in any way an easy job and jerks like you certainly don't help ANYONE. Why don't you just hole yourself up in a mountain and mumble to yourself to pass the time? Because your complaining right now doesn't absolutely nothing to help anyone. "
GOD_HIMSELF wrote on Jun 25, 2008 7:03 AM:
" overworked teachers? they work 9 months out of the year. imagine if they worked a full year like the rest of us. pay? refer back to the nine month thing. most teachers i know make 30-40 thousand for nine months of work. i'm sick of listening to teachers complain about their cushy nine month out of the year job. if you don't like it go out and get a real job that doesn't give you the summer, and every imagineable holiday off. "
rprp wrote on Jun 25, 2008 6:48 AM:
" Unions are a good thing when operated properly. I'm not surprised at the no child left behind statistic. Wisconsin WEAC has abused the taxpayers in Wisconsin for years and the union has forgotten their goal of teaching children. "
hopeful wrote on Jun 25, 2008 6:44 AM:
" Lame excuse, Special Education .The larger school districts have large class sizes, overworked teachers. We won't mention pay, anyone who is a teacher or knows a teacher...well.
The smaller districts will have more and more of these scores as parents are allowed to throw temper tantrums insisting their childs slow and or no progress is the teachers fault. Lets ignore the fact that the child wont do the work, turns it in late. Just get the administration to have the teacher up the grade, fudge the grade, whatever needs to be done so Johnny gets the grade mom and dad want. Then at state test time, OOPS! "
groucho wrote on Jun 25, 2008 6:42 AM:
" What's wrong with this scenario ... George W. Bush in charge of national education? "
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