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Published - Tuesday, July 08, 2008

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Reid Magney: Reporter’s Notebook: The politics of women inmates and children


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Reid Magney | La Crosse Tribune

I don’t envy the La Crosse County officials trying to find a house for the women’s jail alternative program.
The idea is to help female inmates who don’t qualify for community programs because they don’t have a stable, safe place to live by giving them an apartment and providing services to help them get on their feet.

For those who believe in locking them up and throwing away the key, the program makes no sense. For those who think it’s possible to break the cycle, the program is an opportunity to reduce the jail population and recidivism.

But where to put them? Ever heard the phrase, “Not in my backyard?”

First, the county tried to lease a house near Cameron Avenue and 11th Street, a historic neighborhood just southeast of downtown La Crosse.

Not us, said the neighbors. They said they didn’t object to the women’s program, but pleaded they’re already overburdened with halfway houses and other group homes, though many are a bit farther south near Franciscan Skemp.

I didn’t make it to the community meeting they had in June at Aquinas High School, but I heard it wasn’t pretty.

As a result, the county is looking north. The city of La Crosse owns two vacant duplexes at the corner of Kane and St. Paul streets, which the county could lease for one year to get the program started while it searches for a more suitable permanent location.

I’m sure the duplexes looked like a good alternative. When I first heard about them, I thought it might be a workable location.

Then I drove up to the North Side to hear what the neighbors thought. And I learned 27 children live on the block just north of the duplexes.

Now, never mind that the women in the program aren’t violent, that they went to jail mostly because they’ve stolen something or had trouble with substance abuse. And they’re still in jail because they don’t have anywhere else to go.

But county officials probably didn’t know there were 27 children in the neighborhood before they started knocking on doors last week to tell residents what they were planning and invite them to a community meeting at 6 p.m. Monday at the Coulee Region Business Center, 1100 Kane St.

I honestly don’t know whether the women — or the people coming to visit them — might be a safety threat to those children. I know the women aren’t in jail because we’re afraid of them but because we’re mad at them. And I’m sure there’s concern that without some close supervision, the women might break the conditions of their release.

But I’m afraid in the current political environment, concerns about 27 children may trump the good a women’s jail alternative program could do for the larger community.

Reid Magney can be reached at (608) 791-8211 or rmagney@lacrossetribune.com.
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Myturn wrote on Jul 9, 2008 1:04 AM:

" Too late Willie. The person was alreay here and gave her informational program. Of course, the Tribune did not cover it, or buried it. "

Willie wrote on Jul 8, 2008 1:27 PM:

" Myturn, I for one would be interested in Marathon county's program. I have heard about it and how much better run it is. I am not against all alternative programs, but if they don't do what they portray to do, we should scrap them, not throw more money into them. Sanctions will hold up this straw man until it burns to the ground. If Reid thinks this is such a good idea maybe he will invite the candidates into his own home. Tough talk until it affects you directly. "

Myturn wrote on Jul 8, 2008 10:58 AM:

" Reid- Tell me why we did not read anything about the Marathon County visiting Justice Sanctions Representative and her presentation in Lacrosse? They run it far differently, and much more cost effectively. Did I miss it hidden somewhere? "

Myturn wrote on Jul 8, 2008 10:56 AM:

" Reid- Take the time, and go to the Internet and get the site up that shows the sexual predators in the Lacrosse area and where they live. Overwhelming isn't it? Now place more people with problems and trouble into that very area. Now imagine your children going outside to play. "trump the good a womens jail alternative program"? Where do you live Reid? "

Willie wrote on Jul 8, 2008 10:45 AM:

" The bottom line for LaCrosse county is "what makes us a safer community?" Our correctional philosophy and spending needs to reflect that. Spending even more money on programs that aren't working isn't accomplishing that. After all we are still building a $30 million jail addition aren't we? "

Willie wrote on Jul 8, 2008 10:41 AM:

" Nobody is more progressive than Madison and while Dane county is expanding their electronic monitoring program, I'm pretty sure we have more people monitored than even they do. From June 30th Trib "Dane County had 138 inmates on electronic monitoring Friday, compared to 57 on that day a year ago. It had 32 inmates at other county jails, compared to 115 a year ago." It appears as if Dane County is applying their programs as cost saving measures rather than a correctional philosophy. LaCrosse county Justice sanctions has roughly 500 clients in their system (based on stats for the first quarter of 2006 on their webpage)and a budget the size of the jail's. When did Madison become more cautious and conservative than LaCrosse County? "

Willie wrote on Jul 8, 2008 10:28 AM:

" The system of corrections that we use has to be acceptable by the community to work. If you don't have the community support it is doomed to failure. Just because something works somewhere else doesn't mean it will work here. You have to look at the overall demographics, economy, and social support structure to determine what the real success was. You have to duplicate the other factors for success. LaCrosse seems to want to employ what is "politically sexy" and "progressive", and not what is necessarily good for the community. What we need is an ounce of prevention, we already have more than a pound of cure. "

Willie wrote on Jul 8, 2008 10:10 AM:

" If you will note the "graduates" of the program (while having a lower rate of felony arrests) had a higher incidence of misdemeanor arrest than the control group or the expelled group. Do you still think this program is a good idea? Sounds like they ignore their own statistics. Not in my neighborhood sounds like the right approach to me! "

Willie wrote on Jul 8, 2008 10:10 AM:

" Here are those stats for drug court. "Of the people who have graduated, 10.7% have had a felony arrest and 32.1% have had a misdemeanor arrest. Of the expelled people, 35.5% have had a felony arrest and 25.85% have had a misdemeanor arrest. In the control group, 36.2% have had a felony arrest and 29.3% have had a misdemeanor arrest. The average length of time in the program is 19 months. Justice Sanctions is also studying recidivism rates. Of the graduates, 75% are men; 25% women. 58% of the people expelled are men and 42% are women. Of the control group, 62% are men and 37% are women." "

Willie wrote on Jul 8, 2008 10:01 AM:

" All of these "programs" ultimately add to the jail population. When they fail they end up in back in jail anyway. From the minutes of the criminal justice management council minutes from May 21, 2008 summarizing statistics for the OWI Court and Drug court programs ..."It indicates that there is not as much success in the treatment courts with people of color, women or young people. Preliminary numbers indicate the courts serve Caucasian men better." You can go to countyview and check out those minutes that shows more of the actual statistics. More programs with less than adequate supervision won't reduce redidivism, mark my words. "

Double A wrote on Jul 8, 2008 8:58 AM:

" Someone posted a comment on a recent article on this issue: They said to put these women out on a country plot to tend a garden. That's a heck of an idea, actually. They could be taught the art of gardening, which is becoming more and more important these days. It can be hard work, but it's not hard labor or anything. Plus, it would make them feel proud and worthwhile. Some of what they grow could feed the needy, as well as themselves! "


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