mindful wrote on Jul 23, 2008 8:54 PM:
" I wonder what my father and grandfather would have to say if they knew immigrants are living in the house we grew up in. My grandfather was an immigrant also, from Germany. Difference is? Last ones living there even flew their flag on top of the house? I dunno... "
Peachee wrote on Jul 22, 2008 3:59 PM:
" iowaboy...I came from northeast Iowa also...
I personally know that quite a few people and businesses in Iowa voiced their opinions and feelings against what was going on. The jewish people moved in and left trash all over the place and let their places run down..the Spanish came in and started taking advantage of the handouts available from hard working American citizen tax $$$$. No one would do anything about it...why isnt our goverment taking of care of business in the 1st place...I dont think it is fair to point a finger at EVERYONE that lives in Postville, for everyone didnt want to cater to the newcomers...I know that property value took a nose dive...you cant blame that on ALL of Postville! "
Im Still Jackson wrote on Jul 22, 2008 11:04 AM:
" IowaBoy Thanks for some input from the inside of the situation. Sadly you are correct and it isnt just Postville and it was probably more so that Postville was singled out because of the jewish community that relocated there, the religion card makes the story much more disturbing than drinking people making furniture. "
Im Still Jackson wrote on Jul 22, 2008 12:05 AM:
" HonestAbe your right i agreed with all of it but I just really really agreed with that statement and wanted to point that out.Couldnt had said it better myself.Opinions differ sometimes and other times they concur.
your a great debater and dont let any of those haters get to you. My saying is "you will either love me or hate me, but you probably wont like me ;-)~ "
iowaboy wrote on Jul 21, 2008 11:28 PM:
" I grew up in this northeast iowa community. It's only to blame but the people of postville.
Fifteen years ago the locals put up a stink about the mexicans in the community. The complained about the onsought of crime, drugs, and violence.
Then some of the people of Postville realized the financial gains from these people. The mechanics saw $$ from car repairs, the landlords sayw rent, the local farmers saw cheap labor, the government saw constant income from fines.
I feel nothing but tough luck for the people of postville. U catered to it for more than a decade, now your low-income cash cow is gone. U complained and then someone saw a $ to be made. Not much better then Agri itself. "
PackAttack2020 wrote on Jul 21, 2008 10:04 PM:
" WoW! I see a lot of one-sided arguments here. The way I see it, the ILLEGAL immigrants AND the OWNERS are BOTH at fault, and they should BOTH be punished. I have no problem with immigration, but do it legally or face the penalty YOU RISK when you commit that crime: those that chose to violate that law put their own families at risk. My predecessors came here legally...THAT is the ONLY way anyone should gain citizenship here. The owners: ingnorance or with intent, the penalty should be steep, because they are enabling the weakening of our borders. "
midwest wrote on Jul 21, 2008 5:47 PM:
" I hope some of you don't think that the local population in the Postville and surrounding areas didn't know this was going on. Numerous complaints were filed, but the local law enforcement and governments turned a blind eye and let it go on. The illegal aliens knew it was going to "go down" sooner or later, why do you think they all scrambled so quickly to the church for protection? They knew it was going to happen.
But before you criticize the Postville community, look in your own backyards, i.e. Arcadia, Whitehall. It's sad for all the broken families, but it needed to happen. "
HonestAbe wrote on Jul 21, 2008 5:32 PM:
" Jackson, we've been on the same side before ... must be the hip thing to hate me I guess, that's a good thing when talking opinions ... shows people are seeing my side.
But uh .... ""this time I have to agree with ONE thing HonestAbe said""
You're wrong wrong wrong (lol)
;) "
Im Still Jackson wrote on Jul 21, 2008 5:22 PM:
" $$$$$$$$$$$$HIGHLY ACCOUNTABLE$$$$$$$$$$ "
Im Still Jackson wrote on Jul 21, 2008 5:20 PM:
" ((((((((((((HIGHLY ACCOUNTABLE))))))))))))) "
Im Still Jackson wrote on Jul 21, 2008 5:17 PM:
" I've probably said more than I should have but when it comes to selling out my country and American workers and its citizens it pisses me off! This will not stop untill we hold the people hiring the illegals
((((((((HIGHLEY ACCOUNTABLE)))))))))))) instead of NAFTA-ly slapping their wrist while taking a kickback! "
Im Still Jackson wrote on Jul 21, 2008 5:00 PM:
" Jews using Spanish illegals turning a town in America's Heartland into a melting pot while making Kosher meat!Any questions? Most likely the extorted who were being extorted by the corporate extorters wouldn't give anymore so they called the feds on the corporate extorters feeding them a "KOSHER BUST" Thats why it went on so long all in the name of an inside investigation, while billions were made.
Fined less than 200,000.00 when it all came undone for the price to do business sure was cheap no wonder its happening all over.. "
Im Still Jackson wrote on Jul 21, 2008 4:58 PM:
" The orginization that killed 2 presidents named Kennedy and a teamster boss named Hoffa has eaten through Americas businesses through aquisition after aquisition piece mealing it by selling to the highest bidder all in the name of profit without morality (There goes Anhueser Busch)Thats the nature of the beast but where it went all wrong was when we started selling and buying globally. As Jesse Jackson once said "To survive you must keep your neighborhoods black with black money" He was right and it really applies to all races and this story is proof of that. "
Im Still Jackson wrote on Jul 21, 2008 4:08 PM:
" You cant blame these people that fall for empty promises who work the fields for 3.00 a day and where a whole village chips in to buy a community vehicle.I employed 2 legals from there for 8 bucks an hour each and they sent half their pay home per week and one day their Isuzu trooper because it was worth more to the village than they could ever sell it for here in America.Their brother now runs a taxi service with it and is out of the fields and their family is considered upper class. Americans need to rethink some of their habits. Ask yourself how they do it on 8 bucks an hour but we cant? They band togeather and are a community of hand ups and bartors not capitalist and cut throats! "
Im Still Jackson wrote on Jul 21, 2008 4:01 PM:
" The NY Jews found a little quiet IA town to run a slavery ring out of while providing jobs to illegals making 70% of Americas Kosher meat products by The Rubashkin family, widely credited with inventing the modern kosher processing plant, decided to cut costs by bringing the butcher to the livestock, and moved from New York to Iowa. Agriprocessors became one of northern Iowas largest employers.
What it doesnt say is that these employees arent from Iowa but instead from Mexico and Guatamalla brought here ILLEGALLY! "
Teiresias wrote on Jul 21, 2008 3:52 PM:
" 400 of 900 employees were illegal and yet the owners claim ignorance?
Jail the owners. They were willfully ignorant and broke the law by hiring illegals.
Holding the owners (who profit handsomely from the illegal work) responsibile will serve as a warning to others and will shut down illegal employment overnight. "
Im Still Jackson wrote on Jul 21, 2008 3:48 PM:
" Follow the MONEY always and see how much is globally leaving America through foreign investors. Its financial terrorism for profit and were being raped of our future.When the real truth comes out Americans will be wondering how this happened.MY small TRUCK, 200 miles a day at 10 mpg = 20 gallons X 4.00 = 80.00 a day GET IT YET?.....NO? You will soon if you dont because that translates directly to any cash register because EVERYTHING comes by TRUCK.Answewr buy a japanese made truck that gets better mileage right? WRONG fix the extortion going on at the pumps. If you dont think this money isnt being washed and funneled to terrorism you better think again. "
Im Still Jackson wrote on Jul 21, 2008 3:45 PM:
" Why should we adapt? because Corporate America is making a killing on slavery and want us to make it easier for them.Jews enslaving the Spanish with empty promises while relocating to Postville Ia. low wages and for profit jobs and housing.When those food shortages come there will be a battle for the heartlands land because it is the richest in the world and needed, mean while the OWNERS of that land work it 24/7/365 for less than mimimum wage only to make theses a**holes rich. "
Im Still Jackson wrote on Jul 21, 2008 3:37 PM:
" Corporate slavery is the best term. this company knew exactly what was going on and this time I have to agree with ONE thing HonestAbe said
"They say 'we do the jobs nobody else wants' HOGWASH. What they're actually doing, is keeping wages down giving employers a cheap & easy out. As well, they are making citizens go unemployed because the employer that would have had to up the ante in wages, doesn't have to.
Press one for english "
This is AMERICA'S Heartland WTF speak english or go back home. "
HonestAbe wrote on Jul 21, 2008 3:17 PM:
" Mack must be a union member .
LOL "
Anna wrote on Jul 21, 2008 2:31 PM:
" Well I can honestly say I would not want to eat of any meat produced in a negative work environment, whether it be the animals or the people. Glad I'm vegetarian and choosy about where those come from, too! "
Will U. Snugglewiffme wrote on Jul 21, 2008 1:43 PM:
" in response to myturn
WWE Chairman Vince McMahon says it like this:It's all about the Munn!-neyyyy!!! "
Mack wrote on Jul 21, 2008 1:08 PM:
" Honest Abe has the yips again. Think more, write less. "
RanDomino wrote on Jul 21, 2008 1:03 PM:
" Hundreds of families destroyed, and you people cheer because the master race is being kept pure. "
HonestAbe wrote on Jul 21, 2008 12:55 PM:
" Look here people ,,, these people are not suppose to be here, show no sympathy. They are part of our economic problem. They say 'we do the jobs nobody else wants' HOGWASH. What they're actually doing, is keeping wages down giving employers a cheap & easy out. As well, they are making citizens go unemployed because the employer that would have had to up the ante in wages, doesn't have to.
Press one for english "
HonestAbe wrote on Jul 21, 2008 12:52 PM:
" rickey, paying a union to have a job has never made any sense to me. I can do my own negotiating without having to pay some union head to fend for me. As well, if a company does not offer what I want, I walk. In union shops, its the union against the company ... and the office against the floor people. That's a rough life, and on top of that you have to pay to be a member of the union? No thanks.
I've always worked for companies, not unions, and have found that the companies that do not offer a union take better care of their people on a personal level, because they dont have some union steward always whining in their ear. "
HonestAbe wrote on Jul 21, 2008 12:48 PM:
" Vicky said ""They are only trying to provide for their families just like anyone else.""
No, not just like anyone else, they broke the law bringing their families here crossing the border. They broke the law renting an apartment/home with false documents and got the job with the same false documents. Now, how is this like 'anyone else' when referring to citizens born and raised here? Guess I missed it.
THESE ARE CRIMINALS. Most of them have such terrible criminal histories they cant come here legally to begin with! That's why most dont want them here. "
free_speech wrote on Jul 21, 2008 12:42 PM:
" I like tacos. "
HonestAbe wrote on Jul 21, 2008 12:42 PM:
" Anna, pay well and offer benefits, that's how.
These people want cheap labor and are willing to do anything to get it. So, I hope this fiasco costs them more than if they would have offered high wages and benes all along.
kosher aint kosher no more lol "
Myturn wrote on Jul 21, 2008 12:33 PM:
" Vicki-
I agree, although that will not happen, or fairly, until there is a verifiable data base that employers like myself can access quickly and efficiently. Data base, computers? Just don't let the State of WI get involved. "
Vicky wrote on Jul 21, 2008 12:12 PM:
" Illegal immigration will continue as long as the employers who knowingly hire them go unpunished. Don't blame the workers. They are only trying to provide for their families just like anyone else. I agree that they should obtain citizenship, but the people who hire them should be the ones being punished. "
rickey wrote on Jul 21, 2008 11:50 AM:
" If They paid a Union living wage there would be plenty of people from that area wanting jobs as Hormel and Oscar Meyer "
CJ wrote on Jul 21, 2008 11:43 AM:
" Rickey so the Union would have done what??? At least they have jobs and I'll give them credit there but if they are here illegal they should have tried to work towards citizenship. Willing to bet most of us on here wouldn't do or want the work they had been doing. "
mindful wrote on Jul 21, 2008 11:33 AM:
" In addition, there are all the farming outfits (or "misfits" rather) scattered throughout Allamakee, Houston, etc.. counties employing the same. All you have to do is look for the huge farms (lit up 24/7). Locals seem to turn their heads when it's only a few but it's still not right. "
Mack wrote on Jul 21, 2008 11:31 AM:
" Undocumented immigrant workers are a VERY SMALL segment of America's underground economies. Others include tips, rents, a lot of construction work, some people think evading taxes is their God given right and then they will go on and on to claim how patriotic they are. The undocumented workers have the least protection though, mistreating anybody is still a crime and that is what really needs to be punished. "
Myturn wrote on Jul 21, 2008 10:31 AM:
" They have the ability to suck the air out of a room, any room! "
Myturn wrote on Jul 21, 2008 9:50 AM:
" It is all about money!!!!
I was born and raised in St. Louis Park.
It is all about money!!!! "
R A wrote on Jul 21, 2008 9:06 AM:
" I would like to know where the FEDERAL INSPECTORs that are supposed to be at every meat processing plant were all these years. I blame the government for their lack of supervision at all of the food plants accross the country. There was a Kosher plant which still may be in operation,in Whitehall Ws, which I understand was the most filthy, polluting place around. So not only do these kosher Jew plants not abide by the law they are a detrement to the land and water supply. They are inhumane in their killing of the animals. The FDA has become very lax in their operations and taking care of our food supply. We must get involved and hold them accountable. Also those who hire illigals. The companies have to be supervised! We can't blame the people who come to work there, they were lied to. "
antieverything wrote on Jul 21, 2008 9:03 AM:
" Handled perfectly on all fronts! TO the people of Postville, You knew this was bound to happen. Shame on Postville "
Anna wrote on Jul 21, 2008 8:56 AM:
" I always thought the production of kosher products was to be done with the most holy, wholesome of intentions which should include observance of law. On the other hand, how could we get that number of American citizens to do such work? As always, a moral dilemma. "
nana3 wrote on Jul 21, 2008 8:46 AM:
" kudos to the feds, hopefully they will keep finding illegals so more Americans will have jobs. "
political Correctness wrote on Jul 21, 2008 8:12 AM:
" alright i dont understand how these people can sue this company if they aren't even legal citizens. They do not have a right to be in this country so they dont have a right to sue anything here. I know that the constitution is for any person on US soil, but they shouldn't be able to sue a company now that they have been caught knowing fully that what they were doing was against the law "
High Plains Drifter wrote on Jul 21, 2008 6:29 AM:
" "Rabbi Shalom Gurkov, a Hasidic Jew like the owners of Agriprocessors, standing on the main street in Postville in his long beard and solemn dress, vigorously disputing the accusations of crimes...." I don't know what type of dress a solemn is and I also didn't know rabbis wore dresses.Is that kosher??? "
Rickey wrote on Jul 21, 2008 5:56 AM:
" That is what You get from a NON-UNION scab type outfit "
HonestAbe wrote on Jul 21, 2008 12:02 AM:
" ""roundup of illegal immigrants to date""
How is this a ribbon on the tree type of happening? You hire illegal workers, expect to be caught. Pay legal AMERICANS a decent wage and produce a repectable product.
Not everything that is cheap is worth it, now you know I guess.
The community, in my opinion, is just as at fault as the employer ... you didn't notice an influx of non-english speaking people that work their hearts out minimum wage. That'd be clue 1. Someone noticed and called ICE, good job to that one person that was more concerned in doing the right thing, than saving a dollar or two. "