twilite wrote on Aug 1, 2008 1:10 PM:
" Mack: go look up the actual success rates of rehabilitation in our correctional institutions. Peace: Read about sociopaths - they're good at pretending. Also, if she didn't have money for food, maybe she should have stopped doing drugs. Check out her myspace page. And of course we're livid...this is not some stupid little graffiti issue, this is a murder. Mizmeg: You just confirmed it "even your own best friends you dont know like you really think" "
peace wrote on Jul 30, 2008 4:59 PM:
" I NEVER said what indie did was right! I am just saying you are all being way to livid. Of course it was very ailing to hear this idiocy took place. But I wish you all didn't have to be so uncouth and close minded. Now lets stop lashing at eachother, it is unnecessary!!!!! "
Im Still Jackson wrote on Jul 30, 2008 4:45 PM:
" Peace : what your really doing is stiring the pot.Your making yourself look stupid by disgarding the facts this isnt as simple as you make it sound, oh poor poor Ms Book what about that poor defenselss baby who died a horrific evil death while her mother watched after failing to kill her legally through abortion.She didnt want the baby and took no serious action to get it any help after she admitted she knew it was dying. THE END! "
peace wrote on Jul 30, 2008 4:28 PM:
" Your mental man. I am not worked up. Somebody please explain to down all I was doing was showing how she run's around with what she really is trying to say.As for me needing help? Is it because I diffrence with you? Sorry crazy I wont correct you next time you are being inane. "
down2512 wrote on Jul 30, 2008 4:17 PM:
" peace your commitment to your friendship with the accused murderer is affecting your ability to reason. my posts are far from assinine. they come from facts, readings, experiences, and simple intelligence. if that works you up this bad there must be something you need to speak to a professional about. good luck with that. "
peace wrote on Jul 30, 2008 4:13 PM:
" Down, I was trying to stop you from making a bigger ass out of yourself then you already have. As for your opinion you have it, but it is nothing for me or anyone else to learn from. "
down2512 wrote on Jul 30, 2008 4:09 PM:
" hey peace i could use just that from you-peace and quiet. i don't have to explain anything to you here. read, comprehend, learn, live. "
peace wrote on Jul 30, 2008 3:27 PM:
" Ok down seriously, you need to get your self straight. You are doing run arounds with your arguments!What point are you trying to make man? First you say she needed sex ed, now you say it would have not even helped her! As for mizmeg06, thank you for having a heart and soul in all this fanatical disturbance of people's opinion! "
down2512 wrote on Jul 30, 2008 2:36 PM:
" mizmeg06-I don't know anything about your friend except that she's charged with 1st degree murder in the death of her infant daughter. she and the helpless infant are the only ones that know the truth of what exactly happened. we have courts to do their best to get this information. on what has been disclosed and what i do know about mothers and infants her actions were intent to end the baby's life. no amount of sex ed or family ed will change that. i will never believe that a person her age living on her own didn't have the knowlege or ability to handle the baby's life in the slightest way humanely. "
mizmeg06 wrote on Jul 30, 2008 2:19 PM:
" Peace, I agree with you on the sex ed ordeal. Sex ed and child education arent a requirement to attend to at Central High. Child Education was an elective. Not only that though. We may have been friends with Indy and known her but like peace said we dont have to know her like the back of our hands. your not a freakin best friend with everyone and even your own best friends you dont know like you really think. And as i have stated before Down2512, she didnt have the best relationship with her mother so who can say that her mother had those sex ed talks with her. "
peace wrote on Jul 30, 2008 12:31 PM:
" Ok down. There you go again believing everyone grew up the same. Not everyone gets the "talk",not everyone gets the "education". But mistakes are something everyone gets! "
down2512 wrote on Jul 30, 2008 11:56 AM:
" I'm also saying that her education and exposure to family practice with children should be looked at. It's rare that children don't take the sex ed classes usually it's religion, or families that reserve the "talk" for a milestone in their child's growth. Some parents make it their responsibility to work in tandem with the classes at home making sure their child understand the content of the class and how it applies to the kid's life. Some of the classes are attended by the kid and their caregivers. "
down2512 wrote on Jul 30, 2008 11:52 AM:
" peace: the mother of the dead infant had knowlege of it's needs and care no matter how limited that knowlege was she had options! Her actions with that knowlege say only this: SHE NEVER INTENDED THAT HER CHILD LIVE! "
peace wrote on Jul 30, 2008 11:48 AM:
" Really down? Because in my school your parents decided if you went to sex ed or not. permission slips needed to be signed! So all I have to say is what the hell are you trying to say?? "
down2512 wrote on Jul 30, 2008 11:42 AM:
" Hey Mack....why don't your put the appropriate name on that post directed to me? add the S because that's all it is. By the accused age she was in high school not that long ago-you know where they teach sex ed, birth control, and do parenting projects with bags of flour. She was making lucid choices and now the state is holding her accountable for the result of those choices. If you want that changed go to your legislator. "
peace wrote on Jul 30, 2008 10:36 AM:
" Jeez so much hate! Why does the La Crosse Tribune allow trash like this on the site? All of you sound like devils..... Im sorry you all feel the way you do. I didn't know indie like the back of my hand by any means, but I do know she needs anyone she can get right now for strength. I mean just look at the things you are all posting! My God have a little respect! "
Willie wrote on Jul 29, 2008 11:39 PM:
" Apparently peace and mizmeg didn't know her as well as they thought. If they did then they should be charged with helping her conceal the death. Their defense of Book and the recent support in the Ramirez case are proof positive that the morals in today's society have sunk to an all time low. These ideas rival the Roman emperors Caligula, Nero and King Herod! "
Im Still Jackson wrote on Jul 29, 2008 11:28 PM:
" Down2512:I agree with you 200% The DA would not be after 1st degree murder without having a mental eval done so obviously she is competent and she even admited she knew what she was doing right? She had options and didnt use them. She made the wrong choices and took the easy way out and commited MURDER.
Intent is everywhere here.She didnt buy any baby items or even have a nursery set up, didnt seek prenatal care, concealed her pregnancy, after delivering she was 2 blocks from the hospital and still chose to do nothing went out to the garage to hide and let her baby die and she admited she knew it would. WHAT MORE DOES THE DA NEED? She is toast! "
Im Still Jackson wrote on Jul 29, 2008 11:20 PM:
" I just cant help but wonder where all you supporters of Ms Book were when she was pregnant and deciding to kill her baby. As for poor and on the streets Im not buying it. She had a home and this is LaCrosse where all those street people hang togeather and share info. Ya'all know where to get every bit of free money and assistance there is.There are people out there just as guilty as she is and eventually one of them called crimestoppers to get a nice reward most likely to buy dope with! "
Mack wrote on Jul 29, 2008 5:18 PM:
" down2512, you sound like someone from the dark ages and it's sad. You have a very sinister need for revenge. Why do you think we call today's prisons Correctional Facilities? The whole idea is to rehabilitate humans, not punish. You are about 1000 years behind the times. "
peace wrote on Jul 29, 2008 2:57 PM:
" I have had a very very hard time trying to understand why indy did what she did. I also blaim myself everyday for not being more of a friend. I am very confused.... But I am still going to stand by her. So down I guess you and me agree to disagree. I just hope indy gets the help she needs to get by this. Some people mature slower than others, and when Indy realizes fully what happened she will be in pain enough everyone! "
down2512 wrote on Jul 29, 2008 2:47 PM:
" Peace: I'm not angry. I'm hurt and sickened by this. I don't ever want to know anyone that could be so cold and heartless. As far as money and food: I've been hungry and without money. It's not fun but you don't let your baby die as a result of being poor or famished! Unless your friend lived in a cave she would have knowlege of public resources for food, medical assistance and guidance for work. When a person does like this person I have no sympathy or understanding. "
peace wrote on Jul 29, 2008 2:35 PM:
" Ok down2512 first off why are you so angry? You don't even know me and you are saying very cruel things. I know indy! You don't.... Seriosly I am just posting my opinion and support. My question is do you really think Indy did this all on her own!!! Were the hell is the babies dad? And why is he off the hook so easily? Just plz down relax. As for your concert and festival lookup comment, how harsh of you to type her to that.She did't even have enough money to eat.DUH!!! "
down2512 wrote on Jul 29, 2008 2:35 PM:
" here's some whatever for yu mizmeg06, post partem doesn't begin to affect a female that has delivered offspring until that female's hormones begin to change and that doesn't happen until a certain amount of time has transpired after giving birth. with me personally it has nothing to do with her running it has everything to do with the severity and depravity of her actions and crime! "
mizmeg06 wrote on Jul 29, 2008 2:30 PM:
" Whatever Down2512. I honestly believe she was in a severe case of postpartum depression and not all new mothers think correctly. But also to others who think indy would run if she were to get property bond which allows her out of jail. if you read correctly she wouldnt have the chance to. "ONeil argued Browns willingness to post property is a testament to Books reliability. If released, she would be put on Justice Sanctions and global positioning system monitoring." "
down2512 wrote on Jul 29, 2008 2:23 PM:
" msmeg06-what's that really old saying? i've heard it hundreds of times-oh yeah, ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS so no conversation you had before or since the murder can take her actions or lack of them back and change the person she is/became when she decided the baby she bore into our world didn't deserve the only thing she could give...life. "
mizmeg06 wrote on Jul 29, 2008 2:16 PM:
" Yeah that can be understandable to what a child when you had no relationship with your mother, but when youre older than she was. I don't want to bring age into this because im currently a pregnant 20 year old. but when i personally knew indra and hung out with her. you tend to understand the type of person she really is and the life she had. as for sociopath, no, she was nowhere near that type of person. how can you understand or think you know when you werent there and you didnt have conversations with her. "
Michael Welch wrote on Jul 29, 2008 2:13 PM:
" If there is a 'god' of the hapless and shunned -- if that god does happen to exist -- may he (or she) be with this woman. There! That's a good prayer indeed!... "
down2512 wrote on Jul 29, 2008 2:08 PM:
" I've read that young women that grew up with poor or no relationship with their moms really look forward to having their own children to nurture and love in the ways they missed. This woman acted very selfishly, coldly, and maniacal where her new born infant was concerned I think their is a name for a person like that, sociopath. "
mizmeg06 wrote on Jul 29, 2008 2:03 PM:
" I mean look at it. You have severe rapists and abusers and what not. They're not always in prison for the rest of their lives. So Indy more than likely will get out later in life, which I think is fine seeing as how my friend, I honestly believe, didn't know what to do. And I don't think that she needs to be reminded every freakin day of her life of her mistake. It's already punishment enough that it happened in the first place. You all just need to lay off and mind your own freakin lives. "
down2512 wrote on Jul 29, 2008 2:02 PM:
" peace: give it a rest, really you make yourself out to be an idiot at best with your ramblings about her age and information. I'll just bet you if she wanted information about a party or concert or festival she'd find a way to get it. So go blow that horn of yours somewhere else. Many girls the same age she was/is make responsible choices to deal with their pregnancy and babies. There's no excuse short of a person with no brain activity at all for what she did(n't)! No! even a learning disabled person would convey something this significant to their caretaker or teacher or aide. "
mizmeg06 wrote on Jul 29, 2008 2:00 PM:
" Did anyone ever think that maybe Indy had a severe case of post partum depression. If she did not everyone thinks straight. As for family. She didnt really have a family. Indy and her mother never had the best relationship in the first place. And friends come and go. Whats also funny though is that you know even if she does end up going to prison or whatever, she will end up getting out just like everyone else does. "
peace wrote on Jul 29, 2008 1:09 PM:
" I dont think you people are getting this very well. She was pretty much a kid on the street! I have a feeling people were not really there for her when she needed them to be. Not everyone is blessed with access to all of those grand info deals.... She is young and yes I agree she made a mistake but come on! Her alone having the thought of what she did in her head for the rest of her life is enough. Let her become a better person and try again!! "
down2512 wrote on Jul 29, 2008 12:33 PM:
" reading materials on pregnancy, delivery, post partem care for the infant, having clothing, diapers, bottles, baby thermometer, etc. are acts that promote health and life for the unborn and just born infant. not having sought these items, medical care, counseling, or even calling anonimously to any help line in my mind constitutes intent and premeditation, two key elements in a first degree murder charge. indra book belongs where she is and upon leaving it should be in chains and shakles to her permanent home in a state prison. "
peace wrote on Jul 29, 2008 12:09 PM:
" Everyone should not even be judging on this. It is not our issue. This young women was damaged and now we should give her a second chance! Wouldn't you want one? All the harsh things you say on here, I hope you never have the balls to say it to her face! You all are just bored and angry. If Indra's family is looking at this I want you to know it will be ok! "
oopsy daisy wrote on Jul 29, 2008 11:22 AM:
" I just dont get it!It is none of my concern what happens to Mr.Browns property but,I do know that a precious baby was let to die by it's mother,placed in a $3 cooler,and put out for trash!!!I paid $120 to have my dog creamated and the ashes returned,$60 for the urn and I miss him something awful!I wonder if that makes me SUPER reliable.Geez come on!!!!! "
tribreader1 wrote on Jul 29, 2008 10:55 AM:
" This girl had many options. If she didn't want to go thru any "official channels", as a last resort, she could have left the infant on the steps of any church, business, hospital, etc as a last resort. Whoever found the baby would've notified the authorities and the baby would've received medical attention. She CHOSE to let her baby die and to hide the body in a cooler. These are not the actions of a responsible person. Hiding the body in the cooler tells everyone that she KNEW what she had done was wrong and was trying to protect herself. Too bad she didn't give that same consideration to her child. The fact that she could soon be relaxing at home makes me ill. She should sit in jail and be reminded every single day of what she's done. "
Im Still Jackson wrote on Jul 29, 2008 10:24 AM:
" Good ole LaCrosse always comming up with creative ways to aquire someones property.
I would be afraid they would make her dissapear so they could take my apartment building! "
Willie wrote on Jul 29, 2008 10:13 AM:
" I hope she absconds, just to prove the point why she should remain in jail. Go ahead, let her out and see what happens. Say good bye to your apartment building Mr. Brown. "
Mack wrote on Jul 29, 2008 9:43 AM:
" Few of the knowitalls on these blogs can even recite the terms of the safe haven law that she is supposed to have known about after the fact. Many organizations turned her away, what would cause her to think Gundersen would have been any different without insurance. Anybody that blows up at this young girl is a pure coward, through and through. "
tlscao wrote on Jul 29, 2008 8:27 AM:
" Mack well like the article says it is not a crime that would be replicated. Although I feel she should stay in jail until she goes to trial. You have to think of her safety also. Imagine someone seeing her out at a store or something and just blowing up at her. We do not live in a large city its actually quite small. I think that for safety issues she should stay in jail so she can face a trial without soemthing else popping up and keeping her from being prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Again just my opinion. "
enuffalready wrote on Jul 29, 2008 7:56 AM:
" Mack, while I agree that she probably is not a danger, we are definitely NOT over-reacting. This young lady had plenty of options, she CHOSE not to avail herself of any of them. "
Mack wrote on Jul 29, 2008 7:47 AM:
" Let her out, she is not a danger. This whole case is likely an over-reaction on the part of our police toward a young lady with few known options. We do tend to over-react in La Crosse. Remember the cardboard bunny and the shooting of somebody's lunch we thought was a bomb. "
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